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General and Gaming => Video Showcase => Topic started by: tuet0ne on December 09, 2015, 05:14:20 am
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Hey guys the PS4 has been out for just over two years now! I know I can't believe it either... Time flies when your having fun eh? Anyways I wanted to share my thoughts about the console with you and I am interested in hearing how you guys have been getting on with the PS4... Does it live up to your expectations?
My Thoughts: https://youtu.be/UFYn-t0uvFo
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While I have nothing against discussions of literally anything gaming, I really do not like when people make a post and then link to a youtube channel. This forum is not a place for people to try to get subscribers for their channel. If you want to discuss the PS4 (which Im all for and is my 100% gaming focus right now), then lets do it.
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I can't watch the video right now because I am at work (though I will when I get home!), but here's my thoughts on the first two years of the PS4. They have been fantastic!
As the hardware goes, Mark Cerny and Sony worked closely with developers, asking what they wanted the console to be. The PC Master Race love to talk about how the modern consoles are mid-tier compared to PC at best, but the PS4 plays games competently and they look great. While I never had any real issues with the DualShock controllers, the redesign for the PS4 is near perfect. The handles are longer and much more comfortable and the analog sticks are spaced apart a bit more which is perfect IMO.
As for software, I have been loving the games. The PS4 receives nearly every 3rd party game and they all look & play smoother on the PS4 than the Xbox One. Regardless of the resolution differences between the two, more and more 3rd party developers are releasing their games exclusively on the PS4. The PS4 has become the system of choice for fighting game and RPG fans.
The first party studios are stronger than ever and the PS4 has received numerous great (IMO) 1st and 2nd party exclusives as well as several 3rd party exclusives. Akiba's Trip, Dragon Quest Heroes, DriveClub, Final Fantasy XIV-A Realm Reborn and Heavensward, God of War III Remastered, Guilty Gear Xrd Sign, Infamous Second Son and First Light, J-Stars Victory Vs.+, Killzone Shadow Fall, Knack, Last of Us Remastered, LittleBigPlanet 3, The Order 1886 (I love this game!), Stick It To The Man, Tearaway Unfolded, Uncharted the Nathan Drake Collection....so many great games. And OMG with Bloodborne and Until Dawn, these two games blew me away! I cannot wait to see what is coming in the next year and beyond!
Sony has also taken a page out of Microsoft's book this generation and beat them to the punch with exclusive periods of DLC with the Call of Duty franchise. They have secured year-long exclusive items in Destiny and released a gorgeous Destiny-branded system. They've partnered with Taco Bell two years in a row with this year seeing the release of the Gold exclusive PS4. We've also been celebrating the 20th anniversary of PlayStation and have received limited a limited edition headset and controller in the original "PlayStation grey" colors, as well as the stunning and highly sought-after 20th Anniversary PS4 console.
While I never stopped loving PlayStation, the "PS3 years" saw Sony take a beating from Microsoft. And even though they came out on top in the end, the Xbox 360 showed itself to be a huge competitor. I feel we are returning to the "glory days" of the PS2. The PS4 is selling more systems than the PS2 did in the same span of time and again, we are seeing more and more games eschewing the Xbox One and releasing as an exclusive on the PS4.
It's been a fantastic two years and I see a bright future heading forward.
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While I have nothing against discussions of literally anything gaming, I really do not like when people make a post and then link to a youtube channel. This forum is not a place for people to try to get subscribers for their channel. If you want to discuss the PS4 (which Im all for and is my 100% gaming focus right now), then lets do it.
Agreed & agreed. Screw the Xbone. ;D
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I have no allegiances to any company, maybe Nintendo, but that's mostly nostalgia.
This next part is mostly rambling and ranting, but I promise, it winds up relevant in the end.
I went from N64, to PS2, to 360, to current gen. For the N64 generation, it was my only platform. I got a PSX shortly after the release of the PS2, which led to me getting a PS2 shortly after that, so I mostly jumped over PSX. I didn't touch Xbox, Dreamcast, and rarely touched a GCN, if only for Melee. My first console of the next generation was the Wii, but it felt out of place, so I barely count it. But for some reason, I felt compelled to purchase an Xbox 360, I loved the controller, the exclusives were great, and I had no regrets. I eventually got a PS3, and I rarely touch it for anything other than streaming Netflix or watching blu-rays. I got a BC PS3 at some point and started migrating my digital games over to it and was planning on giving the PS3 a real chance, then it got the YLOD, so I'm back to giving up on PS3 until I get it repaired, it was very demoralizing. Mind you, Microsoft was being fairly evil with their plans for Xbone, plus the name is plain stupid. But on the other hand, I had bad experiences with the PS3, nothing good at all. I was at a weird place in my life money wise, no bills, high income, so I bought both. I felt inclined to give PS4 the better chance because they weren't screwing around with trying to screw their customers, mind you PSNow was only just a concept at this point. I felt like PS4 would be my platform of choice for this generation, and I may still be feeling this way, I haven't fully decided. But things HAVE changed, Microsoft retconned all of their shenanigans, started 360 BC on Xbone, Games with Gold, and imo they have a better media player this generation. Sony however, made PSNow a subscription/rebuy your games service, removed all forms of a media player (later to be added), no way to play music (AFAIK), and more recently the "PS2 emulation" where you can buy your PS2 games for a 3rd time. Plus, through my heightened use of the PS4, I've noticed that the L2/R2 triggers are very easily triggered on accident with their design. I'm watching a movie with family, my wife bumps the coffee table, and the film starts rewinding. Minor complaint, but it happens often enough to be annoying. Mind you, my Xbone is in a different room being exclusively used for Fallout 4, and my PS3 is YLOD, so PS4 is the only option for blu-rays.
To me, I had high hopes for Sony at the beginning of this generation, but I'm swaying back towards Microsoft.
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As for software, I have been loving the games. The PS4 receives nearly every 3rd party game and they all look & play smoother on the PS4 than the Xbox One.
True, but at this point in the game I think differences are really really small. I mean, the resolution difference is 180p: you really need to be right up against the screen to tell the difference.
It's really the same thing with the way the games play overall; I find that almost all, if not all the multi plats are reviewed so close together it doesn't really matter. It's certainly not PS2 vs XBox or even PS3 vs 360, I really think you have to stretch to find meaningful differences between the two consoles, in my opinion. :)
Overall, I agree that the PS4 is a really good and better console with really great exclusive stuff, but I also agree with ctracy that Microsoft really has been hauling quite a bit lately (they have to). I wish that both consoles (and Nintendo) would do well, since ultimately that's what will make this console generation better than if Sony was just crushing everything, because competition is what ultimately drives good content.
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I understand where you are coming from and the YLOD on your PS3 really, really sucks. My original 40GB PS3 stopped reading discs a week before Metal Gear Solid 4 was released. Sony was good as gold and within 10 business days, I had the unit back in tip-top shape. While PS3 did have issues, it was less than 5% of units that were affected with the YLOD. The Xbox 360 on the other hand at one point had over a 50% failure rate with over 85% of the original units failing to the RROD.
I've felt that Microsoft has screwed us as gamers since they shitcanned the original Xbox (a really, really good system) prematurely to focus on the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 which they knowingly released in a faulty state because they were in such a rush to beat Sony to market. I personally had my original Xbox 360 fail, so as for last generation at that point, Sony and Microsoft were equally crapping out for me personally. Microsoft then decided to focus solely on Kinect. Aside from Gears, Forza, Fable and Halo all we got were Kinect games that frankly sucked.
Even then, I was excited for the big Xbox One reveal. Oh, what a reveal. Completely anti-consumer. Don Mattrick basically pissed in our faces when asked what about gamers who don't have a constant internet connection and he stated "We have a system for those gamers. It's called an Xbox 360." Not to mention forcing the Kinect 2.0 down our collective throats and swearing that the 'bone wouldn't function without it. Lie after lie after lie.
Now, Microsoft didn't reverse their piss-poor policies because they are good guys. They only did it because of the massive consumer backlash. Three generations of consoles, three generations of trying to screw gamers over. As for PS2 "backward compatibility" Sony said all along that the PS4 would not be backwards compatible. One can look at offering PS2 games for download or streaming on the PS4 as milking gamers for games they already bought. Another way to look at it is that people who never had the chance to play these games are now afforded the opportunity to do so. If you already own these PS2 games, why not just play them on a PS2? You can get one under $20 just about any used games store.
I'm not trying to poo-poo your likes or dislikes and your points are completely valid from your standpoint. I fully respect that. I'm just personally not going to get bent over by Microsoft again. Aside from Rare Replay, I can't think of another single game I really want to play that I can't get on another console or the PC. I bought Rare Replay for $10 on Black Friday and I play the bulk of Rare's games through an emulator. So again, not missing much.
To me, Microsoft's big contributions to gaming have been paid online, DLC and releasing crappy hardware. With the way things are going, I see the Xbox One being the last system from Microsoft. They will no longer release sales figures and the PS4 is currently considered to be selling approximately 3:1 with over twice as many systems in users hands. Microsoft is focusing on "Xbox Live engagement" or some such made-up nonsense. Their big "Ace" Halo 5 failed to set the sales charts on fire and it's pretty clear that the post-Bungie years aren't so good. Halo 4 pretty much showed me that the series is soulless without Bungie at the helm. They have a few paid exclusives coming out, but other than that it's the same old Forza, Fable, Halo, Gears grindathon.
As a gamer, playing since the Atari/Coleco days and having been a heavy gamer since the NES brought gaming back to prominence, I have owned and gamed on just about every major system from Nintendo, Sega, Sony and Microsoft. Microsoft's attitude is to milk every dime they can out of people. They don't make games that gamers will like, they try to make games they feel like making and tell us that we like them. They throw their money around for timed exclusives like the deal with Rise of Tomb Raider and dissolved most of their actual game studios years ago. Not that I think Sony or Nintendo are some happy joy-joy corporations solely focused on making people happy, but they aren't the soulless corrupt jackasses that reside at the top of Microsoft's tower of power.
Yeah...don't see myself every buying another Microsoft console.
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True, but at this point in the game I think differences are really really small. I mean, the resolution difference is 180p: you really need to be right up against the screen to tell the difference.
It's really the same thing with the way the games play overall; I find that almost all, if not all the multi plats are reviewed so close together it doesn't really matter. It's certainly not PS2 vs XBox or even PS3 vs 360, I really think you have to stretch to find meaningful differences between the two consoles, in my opinion. :)
Overall, I agree that the PS4 is a really good and better console with really great exclusive stuff, but I also agree with ctracy that Microsoft really has been hauling quite a bit lately (they have to). I wish that both consoles (and Nintendo) would do well, since ultimately that's what will make this console generation better than if Sony was just crushing everything, because competition is what ultimately drives good content.
The differences between PS4 and Xbox One games doesn't come down to just the resolution. Look at something like Battlefront, where the Xbox version also stutters while playing. Or Fallout 4 where the framerate dips to 0fps and the game locks up for a few seconds.
I don't know if you were a gamer during the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox days, but Sony was crushing everyone then and we had some of the very best games released in that era. Competition is good, but Microsoft has demonstrated that when they think they are on top, they will steamroll you and not give two shits about it. They are a blight on gaming.
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While I have nothing against discussions of literally anything gaming, I really do not like when people make a post and then link to a youtube channel. This forum is not a place for people to try to get subscribers for their channel. If you want to discuss the PS4 (which Im all for and is my 100% gaming focus right now), then lets do it.
Im not trying to get subscribers for my channel... Those are my thoughts... You don't have to watch the video or subscribe... I wanted to start a discussion which this thread has...
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As for software, I have been loving the games. The PS4 receives nearly every 3rd party game and they all look & play smoother on the PS4 than the Xbox One.
Overall, I agree that the PS4 is a really good and better console with really great exclusive stuff, but I also agree with ctracy that Microsoft really has been hauling quite a bit lately (they have to). I wish that both consoles (and Nintendo) would do well, since ultimately that's what will make this console generation better than if Sony was just crushing everything, because competition is what ultimately drives good content.
Wise words man. Im always for diversity in games and you are right, competition drives good content. Look at how the PS3 turned around last generation!
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The thing with that is, I can also look up articles online about frame rate issues of 20 fps for Fallout 4 on the PS4. It depends on how you want to cherry pick your search.
With Battlefront, frame rates on the PS4 range from 50-60 just like the XBone, but Battlefront in general doesn't run well on XBox - it has problems with image and frame rates when a lot action comes in to play. So, I agree with you there :)
In general, I don't want to get in a heated argument with you man haha. Like I said, I do agree with you that the PS4 is the better console. But I think this brash distaste towards Microsoft because of the XBone launch (which has been all but completely reworked), isn't helpful or proactive.
And I absolutely agree with tuet0ne that we have to learn a lesson from the PS3 - Sony hauled ass because they were behind, and it really showed in the long run. It's still too early to tell, but I think Microsoft is really trying since they brought Spencer in. And I do believe that Microsoft can do great things with this console if they are given a chance; dwelling and bringing up points from Microsoft's past in order to shun their current console is a little dishonest, in my opinion.
I totally understand that your upset about what Microsoft has done (who wouldn't be), but calling it and walking out on the One after two years of it's launch really isn't that wise. - It's just wayyy to early. Maybe I'm too optimistic. But I can't stop thinking about how the Dreamcast died so early partly because people were so fed up with Sega's handing of the 32X, CD and Saturn, combined with how the PS2 was marketed at the time. It's very similar to what's going on right now.
EDIT 1: I know I'm young and I don't have a ton of games or gaming experience, but yes, I grew up in the PS2 generation, and I love the PS2 and PS3 more than Microsoft's consoles. I am in no way a Microsoft fanboy, I just help out a lot with the Microsoft side of VGC because it's really underdeveloped in a lot of areas.
EDIT 2: Competition is good, but Microsoft has demonstrated that when they think they are on top, they will steamroll you and not give two shits about it.
That's exactly what Sony did last generation with the PS3 from the PS2 - The PS3 at launch was ugly to program for, expensive beast with no good games for at least a year. But Sony said "Your going to buy it anyway because we're Sony and people loved the PS2!" The differences in mindset are very little, in my opinion
Sorry for the long post with so many edits, haha
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I understand where you are coming from and the YLOD on your PS3 really, really sucks. My original 40GB PS3 stopped reading discs a week before Metal Gear Solid 4 was released. Sony was good as gold and within 10 business days, I had the unit back in tip-top shape. While PS3 did have issues, it was less than 5% of units that were affected with the YLOD. The Xbox 360 on the other hand at one point had over a 50% failure rate with over 85% of the original units failing to the RROD.
I've felt that Microsoft has screwed us as gamers since they shitcanned the original Xbox (a really, really good system) prematurely to focus on the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 which they knowingly released in a faulty state because they were in such a rush to beat Sony to market. I personally had my original Xbox 360 fail, so as for last generation at that point, Sony and Microsoft were equally crapping out for me personally. Microsoft then decided to focus solely on Kinect. Aside from Gears, Forza, Fable and Halo all we got were Kinect games that frankly sucked.
Even then, I was excited for the big Xbox One reveal. Oh, what a reveal. Completely anti-consumer. Don Mattrick basically pissed in our faces when asked what about gamers who don't have a constant internet connection and he stated "We have a system for those gamers. It's called an Xbox 360." Not to mention forcing the Kinect 2.0 down our collective throats and swearing that the 'bone wouldn't function without it. Lie after lie after lie.
Now, Microsoft didn't reverse their piss-poor policies because they are good guys. They only did it because of the massive consumer backlash. Three generations of consoles, three generations of trying to screw gamers over. As for PS2 "backward compatibility" Sony said all along that the PS4 would not be backwards compatible. One can look at offering PS2 games for download or streaming on the PS4 as milking gamers for games they already bought. Another way to look at it is that people who never had the chance to play these games are now afforded the opportunity to do so. If you already own these PS2 games, why not just play them on a PS2? You can get one under $20 just about any used games store.
I'm not trying to poo-poo your likes or dislikes and your points are completely valid from your standpoint. I fully respect that. I'm just personally not going to get bent over by Microsoft again. Aside from Rare Replay, I can't think of another single game I really want to play that I can't get on another console or the PC. I bought Rare Replay for $10 on Black Friday and I play the bulk of Rare's games through an emulator. So again, not missing much.
To me, Microsoft's big contributions to gaming have been paid online, DLC and releasing crappy hardware. With the way things are going, I see the Xbox One being the last system from Microsoft. They will no longer release sales figures and the PS4 is currently considered to be selling approximately 3:1 with over twice as many systems in users hands. Microsoft is focusing on "Xbox Live engagement" or some such made-up nonsense. Their big "Ace" Halo 5 failed to set the sales charts on fire and it's pretty clear that the post-Bungie years aren't so good. Halo 4 pretty much showed me that the series is soulless without Bungie at the helm. They have a few paid exclusives coming out, but other than that it's the same old Forza, Fable, Halo, Gears grindathon.
As a gamer, playing since the Atari/Coleco days and having been a heavy gamer since the NES brought gaming back to prominence, I have owned and gamed on just about every major system from Nintendo, Sega, Sony and Microsoft. Microsoft's attitude is to milk every dime they can out of people. They don't make games that gamers will like, they try to make games they feel like making and tell us that we like them. They throw their money around for timed exclusives like the deal with Rise of Tomb Raider and dissolved most of their actual game studios years ago. Not that I think Sony or Nintendo are some happy joy-joy corporations solely focused on making people happy, but they aren't the soulless corrupt jackasses that reside at the top of Microsoft's tower of power.
Yeah...don't see myself every buying another Microsoft console.
This was way too long to keep my thoughts straight.
Every time my 360 died, and I had 4 die, I believe, they were always repaired or replaced for free. My fat white got replaced with a black slim, my black slim replaced with a Halo Reach edition, and my halo reach edition replaced with the Gears of war edition. So I got free games and controllers out of it in the long run, not a bad experience for me personally. Plus the Xbox Rewards program netted me a lot of free money, I was able to buy microsoft points on sale, and buy games on sale. I probably am very biased towards 360 over PS3, but I fell in love with the controller, achievement points pulled me in, and I rather enjoyed the 360 exclusives (Gears, Forza, Fable, etc.) and Fallout/Elder Scrolls running so much better.
PS3 on the other hand, I bought a fat non-BC at some point, I dug being able to use Linux, then they removed that feature and I pretty much stopped using my PS3 for anything other than blu-rays. I replaced my fat one with a slim because my boss at GS gave me a fantastic deal. I bought a BC PS3 for like $20 that needed the blu-ray drive replaced, I replaced it, and then 2 weeks later, it went YLOD. Obviously not in warranty, and the one repair shop I spoke with said $90, so it left a bad flavor in my mouth. My tune my change once I get around to repairing it or paying someone to repair it.
I completely agree on Mattrick. Guy was an exec at EA, negative points right there. Finally left Microsoft and where did he go? Zynga. The man was a plain bad influence. Phil Spencer on the other hand, I think he's doing a lot of good work to undo the mess Mattrick left behind.
I agree that, that mind set could be applied towards PS2 "emulation" on PS4, but when most of these games are easily available at a lower cost, it's still fairly hard to justify, especially as a collector. I'm not the demographic for that feature, so it kind of doesn't matter. I will say, I would much rather play PSX/PS2 games on PS3 over the original console, because of wireless controllers. I have a pair of wireless ps2 controllers, they are pretty good, but I would much rather use my ps3 controllers. Same would apply to PS4 if it was an option. My mindset is, PSX BC was cheap enough that Sony decided to keep it when it axed PS2 BC, and they were already doing PS2 emulation or backwards compatibility through PS2 classics as well, even on non-BC ps3s. But they put a lot of money into GaiKai, they wouldn't squander that. I get it and I take no offense by it, but I would much rather have BC as an option on top of PSNow, reasonable or not.
I get that PSNow is really more for the folks who missed out on PS3 and such, but as someone who missed out on PLAYING PS3 games, but totally bought a bunch, I feel kind of left out. I don't have a working PS3, so I can't play the games, but if I paid Sony for PSNow or rented the ps3 titles for PS4, I can actually play them and my understanding is there is added functionality playing on PS4 (streaming, sharing, etc.). So I'm missing out altogether.
If Xbone reached full BC with 360, which won't happen, and I were in the same situation but with 360 instead of PS3, I'd be able to play those 360 games I missed out on without having to buy them all over again. Especially since physical 360/PS3 titles are fairly cheap, almost certainly cheaper than buying digital copies.
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Let me bring something else up gf78, and this is not meant as an insult in any way: it's just something that I noticed. :-[ I just see that you have 4 PS4s and 0 Xbox Ones, that's why I posing the suggestion that Microsoft is not being given a fair chance.
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The thing with that is, I can also look up articles online about frame rate issues of 20 fps for Fallout 4 on the PS4. It depends on how you want to cherry pick your search.
With Battlefront, frame rates on the PS4 range from 50-60 just like the XBone, but Battlefront in general doesn't run well on XBox - it has problems with image and frame rates when a lot action comes in to play. So, I agree with you there :)
In general, I don't want to get in a heated argument with you man haha. Like I said, I do agree with you that the PS4 is the better console. But I think this brash distaste towards Microsoft because of the XBone launch (which has been all but completely reworked), isn't helpful or proactive.
And I absolutely agree with tuet0ne that we have to learn a lesson from the PS3 - Sony hauled ass because they were behind, and it really showed in the long run. It's still too early to tell, but I think Microsoft is really trying since they brought Spencer in. And I do believe that Microsoft can do great things with this console if they are given a chance; dwelling and bringing up points from Microsoft's past in order to shun their current console is a little dishonest, in my opinion.
I totally understand that your upset about what Microsoft has done (who wouldn't be), but calling it and walking out on the One after two years of it's launch really isn't that wise. - It's just wayyy to early. Maybe I'm too optimistic. But I can't stop thinking about how the Dreamcast died so early partly because people were so fed up with Sega's handing of the 32X, CD and Saturn, combined with how the PS2 was marketed at the time. It's very similar to what's going on right now.
EDIT 1: I know I'm young and I don't have a ton of games or gaming experience, but yes, I grew up in the PS2 generation, and I love the PS2 and PS3 more than Microsoft's consoles. I am in no way a Microsoft fanboy, I just help out a lot with the Microsoft side of VGC because it's really underdeveloped in a lot of areas.
That's exactly what Sony did last generation with the PS3 from the PS2 - The PS3 at launch was ugly to program for, expensive beast with no good games for at least a year. But Sony said "Your going to buy it anyway because we're Sony and people loved the PS2!" The differences in mindset are very little, in my opinion
Sorry for the long post with so many edits, haha
I didn't mean to make it seem like Fallout 4 is a perfect game on the PS4 because it's not. I should have elaborated that while the PS4 version has framerate dips, the Xbox One's are more severe. My bad on that.
As for my feelings on Microsoft, it's just my opinion and feelings. As a multi-console owner/gamer who typically games on all the major consoles for each generation, my past experiences with the Xbox brand and the state of the One's library pretty much dictates that I won't buy one. It boils down to personal preference of games and the 'bone doesn't have the games I am looking for. I'm not saying that there aren't good games on the system and/or games coming out that I would enjoy playing. But I look at what it has and what's coming out.
I don't feel obligated to support Microsoft and the Xbox brand, no more than I feel obligated to support Sony or Nintendo. If they provide a product that I want, I will purchase it. Sony may have been pretty damn arrogant during the lead-up and release of the PS3, but they didn't stop supporting the PS2 (God of War 2 among others came out AFTER the PS3 was on market) nor did they release a broken-from-the-conceptual-stage-on system like Microsoft did with the 360.
Sony didn't completely abandon developing games for the PS3 because they PS4 was coming. Microsoft stopped making games for the 360 a couple of years before the One was released so they would have those games for launch.
Look, I think Phil Spencer for all intents and purposes is a good dude. He seems to genuinely want to make the Xbox One successful and I can respect that. But they (Microsoft) have burned me. Not once. Not twice. Three times. That's it for me.
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Let me bring something else up gf78, and this is not meant as an insult in any way: it's just something that I noticed. :-[ I just see that you have 4 PS4s and 0 Xbox Ones, that's why I posing the suggestion that Microsoft is not being given a fair chance.
LOL...no offense taken. I've been partial to Sony since the original PlayStation system was released. I bought the Destiny Taken King and 20th Anniversary PS4's because well....they are gorgeous. I tried my hardest to win the gold Taco Bell PS4 and in the end, didn't get one. My wife bought one for me because she knew I really wanted it.
As for Xbox One, I already explained that after three strikes, Microsoft isn't getting any more business from me. If somebody gave me a One, I would keep it. But I don't see anyone gifting one to me and I'm not buying one.
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Yeah, that totally makes sense man! The PS4 definitely has a better library right now, and I totally understand your reasons to not by the console; I've never owned a Microsoft console other than the XBone. :)
EDIT: In the end, I'm not suggesting that we all go out and buy Xbox Ones; that doesn't make sense at this point in time. All I'm saying that doing the opposite thing and shutting down all interest in Microsoft's console because of where they are currently - doesn't make sense either.
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Yeah, I bought a PS4 launch day and I bought one of the anniversary ones. But I also really want one of the launch team white Xbones.
I wanna say Phil Spencer said that the team doing the BC stuff for Xbone might take a look at OG Xbox BC after all is said and done.
I'm kind of looking forward to that if it happens. I have over 100 xbox games, and I just a few weeks ago repaired my OG xbox that I bought broken. I missed out on OG Xbox, so being able to jump into that with an xbone controller would be nice. Though, I think OG xbox had 2 more buttons (black and white)
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This was way too long to keep my thoughts straight.
Every time my 360 died, and I had 4 die, I believe, they were always repaired or replaced for free. My fat white got replaced with a black slim, my black slim replaced with a Halo Reach edition, and my halo reach edition replaced with the Gears of war edition. So I got free games and controllers out of it in the long run, not a bad experience for me personally. Plus the Xbox Rewards program netted me a lot of free money, I was able to buy microsoft points on sale, and buy games on sale. I probably am very biased towards 360 over PS3, but I fell in love with the controller, achievement points pulled me in, and I rather enjoyed the 360 exclusives (Gears, Forza, Fable, etc.) and Fallout/Elder Scrolls running so much better.
PS3 on the other hand, I bought a fat non-BC at some point, I dug being able to use Linux, then they removed that feature and I pretty much stopped using my PS3 for anything other than blu-rays. I replaced my fat one with a slim because my boss at GS gave me a fantastic deal. I bought a BC PS3 for like $20 that needed the blu-ray drive replaced, I replaced it, and then 2 weeks later, it went YLOD. Obviously not in warranty, and the one repair shop I spoke with said $90, so it left a bad flavor in my mouth. My tune my change once I get around to repairing it or paying someone to repair it.
I completely agree on Mattrick. Guy was an exec at EA, negative points right there. Finally left Microsoft and where did he go? Zynga. The man was a plain bad influence. Phil Spencer on the other hand, I think he's doing a lot of good work to undo the mess Mattrick left behind.
I agree that, that mind set could be applied towards PS2 "emulation" on PS4, but when most of these games are easily available at a lower cost, it's still fairly hard to justify, especially as a collector. I'm not the demographic for that feature, so it kind of doesn't matter. I will say, I would much rather play PSX/PS2 games on PS3 over the original console, because of wireless controllers. I have a pair of wireless ps2 controllers, they are pretty good, but I would much rather use my ps3 controllers. Same would apply to PS4 if it was an option. My mindset is, PSX BC was cheap enough that Sony decided to keep it when it axed PS2 BC, and they were already doing PS2 emulation or backwards compatibility through PS2 classics as well, even on non-BC ps3s. But they put a lot of money into GaiKai, they wouldn't squander that. I get it and I take no offense by it, but I would much rather have BC as an option on top of PSNow, reasonable or not.
I get that PSNow is really more for the folks who missed out on PS3 and such, but as someone who missed out on PLAYING PS3 games, but totally bought a bunch, I feel kind of left out. I don't have a working PS3, so I can't play the games, but if I paid Sony for PSNow or rented the ps3 titles for PS4, I can actually play them and my understanding is there is added functionality playing on PS4 (streaming, sharing, etc.). So I'm missing out altogether.
If Xbone reached full BC with 360, which won't happen, and I were in the same situation but with 360 instead of PS3, I'd be able to play those 360 games I missed out on without having to buy them all over again. Especially since physical 360/PS3 titles are fairly cheap, almost certainly cheaper than buying digital copies.
I would have the exact opposite feelings if I had four 360's crap out on me. You may have gotten them repaired for free and gotten free goodies along the way, but it should never have been an issue of the systems dying like that in the first place. Personally, I would have been absolutely furious. On the flip-side, spending $90 to repair a PS3 that I had only spent $20 on to begin with is a deal. Controller and achievement/trophy support aside, the PS3 is home to so, so many great gaming experiences that have no equal on the 360.
As for PlayStation games playing on the PS3 after backwards-compatibility was axed, I believe the original PlayStation processor was utilized for a secondary function in the PS3 anyway. So the backwards-compatibility couldn't be removed as a cost-saving measure.
As for PSNow, I have no use for it nor have I even touched it. All of the PS1, PS2 and PS3 games that I like, I pretty much already own and the hardware to run them.
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Yeah, I bought a PS4 launch day and I bought one of the anniversary ones. But I also really want one of the launch team white Xbones.
I wanna say Phil Spencer said that the team doing the BC stuff for Xbone might take a look at OG Xbox BC after all is said and done.
I'm kind of looking forward to that if it happens. I have over 100 xbox games, and I just a few weeks ago repaired my OG xbox that I bought broken. I missed out on OG Xbox, so being able to jump into that with an xbone controller would be nice. Though, I think OG xbox had 2 more buttons (black and white)
I really, really enjoyed the original Xbox. It had some fantastic, exclusive games on it. At that time, Microsoft had a lot of development teams working on all kinds of games. Some were great, some were good and some....not so great. But they were trying. They just abandoned that drive to release all kinds of titles and with the 360, settled into the "Gears, Halo, Forza, Fable" rut. Oh....and the Kinect crap. ::)
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This was way too long to keep my thoughts straight.
Every time my 360 died, and I had 4 die, I believe, they were always repaired or replaced for free. My fat white got replaced with a black slim, my black slim replaced with a Halo Reach edition, and my halo reach edition replaced with the Gears of war edition. So I got free games and controllers out of it in the long run, not a bad experience for me personally. Plus the Xbox Rewards program netted me a lot of free money, I was able to buy microsoft points on sale, and buy games on sale. I probably am very biased towards 360 over PS3, but I fell in love with the controller, achievement points pulled me in, and I rather enjoyed the 360 exclusives (Gears, Forza, Fable, etc.) and Fallout/Elder Scrolls running so much better.
PS3 on the other hand, I bought a fat non-BC at some point, I dug being able to use Linux, then they removed that feature and I pretty much stopped using my PS3 for anything other than blu-rays. I replaced my fat one with a slim because my boss at GS gave me a fantastic deal. I bought a BC PS3 for like $20 that needed the blu-ray drive replaced, I replaced it, and then 2 weeks later, it went YLOD. Obviously not in warranty, and the one repair shop I spoke with said $90, so it left a bad flavor in my mouth. My tune my change once I get around to repairing it or paying someone to repair it.
I completely agree on Mattrick. Guy was an exec at EA, negative points right there. Finally left Microsoft and where did he go? Zynga. The man was a plain bad influence. Phil Spencer on the other hand, I think he's doing a lot of good work to undo the mess Mattrick left behind.
I agree that, that mind set could be applied towards PS2 "emulation" on PS4, but when most of these games are easily available at a lower cost, it's still fairly hard to justify, especially as a collector. I'm not the demographic for that feature, so it kind of doesn't matter. I will say, I would much rather play PSX/PS2 games on PS3 over the original console, because of wireless controllers. I have a pair of wireless ps2 controllers, they are pretty good, but I would much rather use my ps3 controllers. Same would apply to PS4 if it was an option. My mindset is, PSX BC was cheap enough that Sony decided to keep it when it axed PS2 BC, and they were already doing PS2 emulation or backwards compatibility through PS2 classics as well, even on non-BC ps3s. But they put a lot of money into GaiKai, they wouldn't squander that. I get it and I take no offense by it, but I would much rather have BC as an option on top of PSNow, reasonable or not.
I get that PSNow is really more for the folks who missed out on PS3 and such, but as someone who missed out on PLAYING PS3 games, but totally bought a bunch, I feel kind of left out. I don't have a working PS3, so I can't play the games, but if I paid Sony for PSNow or rented the ps3 titles for PS4, I can actually play them and my understanding is there is added functionality playing on PS4 (streaming, sharing, etc.). So I'm missing out altogether.
If Xbone reached full BC with 360, which won't happen, and I were in the same situation but with 360 instead of PS3, I'd be able to play those 360 games I missed out on without having to buy them all over again. Especially since physical 360/PS3 titles are fairly cheap, almost certainly cheaper than buying digital copies.
I would have the exact opposite feelings if I had four 360's crap out on me. You may have gotten them repaired for free and gotten free goodies along the way, but it should never have been an issue of the systems dying like that in the first place. Personally, I would have been absolutely furious. On the flip-side, spending $90 to repair a PS3 that I had only spent $20 on to begin with is a deal. Controller and achievement/trophy support aside, the PS3 is home to so, so many great gaming experiences that have no equal on the 360.
As for PlayStation games playing on the PS3 after backwards-compatibility was axed, I believe the original PlayStation processor was utilized for a secondary function in the PS3 anyway. So the backwards-compatibility couldn't be removed as a cost-saving measure.
As for PSNow, I have no use for it nor have I even touched it. All of the PS1, PS2 and PS3 games that I like, I pretty much already own and the hardware to run them.
I guess, I may have been frustrated at the time, but in retrospect, not having to pay anything to get it repaired was fantastic. It also helps that the repair facility was like 2 hours away, so it was 1-day shipping both ways and they repaired it or replaced it same day.
I put $20 into a broken ps3, with the expectation that I'd have a working ps3 after fixing it. I don't know, I was expecting one repair, not 2. And as far as I know, after that fix, something else will go wrong, I'm trying to decide if it's worth it. $110 total for a working BC PS3 isn't a deal imo. I can go to a pawn shop and pick up a working BC ps3 with a "warranty" for about $100. May not have cords, controllers, or games, but I don't need any.
As for gaming experiences on PS3 that have no equivalent on 360, I'm not really aware of any other than maybe JRPGs. But my backlog of JRPGs is so large, it's almost moot. Don't get me wrong, Infamous and God of War are great, but you can find tons of hack and slash and third person adventure games out there.
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Two years later...and I still need to buy one lol No interest in an Xbone, but the library is building for the PS4 and there's some good stuff on the horizon. I'll probably be looking at grabbing one next year unless the NX releases instead, which I'll then I have to take certain things into account.
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I guess, I may have been frustrated at the time, but in retrospect, not having to pay anything to get it repaired was fantastic. It also helps that the repair facility was like 2 hours away, so it was 1-day shipping both ways and they repaired it or replaced it same day.
I put $20 into a broken ps3, with the expectation that I'd have a working ps3 after fixing it. I don't know, I was expecting one repair, not 2. And as far as I know, after that fix, something else will go wrong, I'm trying to decide if it's worth it. $110 total for a working BC PS3 isn't a deal imo. I can go to a pawn shop and pick up a working BC ps3 with a "warranty" for about $100. May not have cords, controllers, or games, but I don't need any.
As for gaming experiences on PS3 that have no equivalent on 360, I'm not really aware of any other than maybe JRPGs. But my backlog of JRPGs is so large, it's almost moot. Don't get me wrong, Infamous and God of War are great, but you can find tons of hack and slash and third person adventure games out there.
If you can get a BC PS3 for $100, I would jump on it.
Here is a list of games, exclusive to the PS3, that I love and have no equal on the 360 or are highly regarded by many. Just personal opinion, but IMO these are can't-miss titles.
3D Dot Game Heroes
Afrika
Best of PlayStation Network
Beyond - Two Souls
Demon's Souls
Disgaea (everything)
Dragon's Crown
Drakengard
Folklore
God of War III and Ascension
Gran Turismo 5 & 6
Heavenly Sword
Heavy Rain
Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection
Infamous & Infamous 2
Jak & Daxter Collection
Journey Collector's Edition (Journey, Flower, Flow)
Killzone 2 & 3 as well as the Collection that includes the 1st game remastered
Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 and 2.5
Last of Us, the
LittleBigPlanet 1 & 2
LittleBigPlanet Karting
Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of the Patriots as well as the Legacy Collection with...just about everything!
ModNation Racers
MotorStorm 1, 2 & 3 (1, Apocalypse and Pacific Rift)
Ni No Kuni - Wrath of the White Witch
Ninja Gaiden Sigma & Sigma 2
PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale
Puppeteer
Ratchet & Clank (6 new releases and the originals in a collection)
Resistance Fall of Man and 2 & 3
The Sly Collection
Sly Cooper Thieves in Time
StarHawk
Tales (all of the games in the Tales series that are exclusive to the PS3)
Tekken Hybrid (HD version of Tekken Tag Tournament with demo for TTT2 and a Blu-Ray movie)
Twisted Metal
Uncharted 1, 2 & 3
Valkyria Chronicles
White Knight Chronicles 1 & 2
Yakuza 3, 4 & Dead Souls
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If you can get a BC PS3 for $100, I would jump on it.
Here is a list of games, exclusive to the PS3, that I love and have no equal on the 360 or are highly regarded by many. Just personal opinion, but IMO these are can't-miss titles.
3D Dot Game Heroes
Afrika (I've heard this is fairly rare, but I know nothing of it)
Best of PlayStation Network (Sega Dreamcast Collection? random indie/arcade games?)
Beyond - Two Souls
Demon's Souls (Dark Souls is a fair equivalent)
Disgaea (everything) (I own a Disgaea game or two, I liked what little I played of Cross Edge, and I love Prinnies)
Dragon's Crown (No clue what this game is about, but looks kind of like Kingdom under Fire)
Drakengard (This is a PS2 game, I own Drakengard 3 as well, never played either, so I can't venture to say, but I assume it's a JRPG)
Folklore (I know nothing of this, but my wife wanted it)
God of War III and Ascension (Tons of hack and slash games on xbox)
Gran Turismo 5 & 6 (Forza)
Heavenly Sword (See God of War)
Heavy Rain (Most Tell Tale games have a similar feel from what I hear)
Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection (I have these on PS2 and PS3, it's not a fair choice given they are PS2 games)
Infamous & Infamous 2 (Prototype is a very similar game)
Jak & Daxter Collection (See Ico & Shadow of the Colossus)
Journey Collector's Edition (Journey, Flower, Flow) (No real argument here, not many unique indie titles on 360, arcade indies are mostly shit, but there are good indies and arcade games on there that one could argue are just as recommended)
Killzone 2 & 3 as well as the Collection that includes the 1st game remastered (Plenty of good shooters on 360)
Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 and 2.5 (See Ico & Shadow of the Colossus)
Last of Us, the (Fantastic game, if only because of the story, but gameplay wise, there are games that play like it)
LittleBigPlanet 1 & 2 (I'm sure there are platformers that are in the same league, but nothing quite like LBP in terms of creativity)
LittleBigPlanet Karting (Sonic racing, other crappy karting games; I'd still rather playing Mario Kart, but that's not what we are talking about are we)
Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of the Patriots as well as the Legacy Collection with...just about everything! (Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain are like it, aren't they? But yes, this is a must have)
ModNation Racers (See littlebigplanet karting)
MotorStorm 1, 2 & 3 (1, Apocalypse and Pacific Rift) (It came with my Playstation Television, any MX ATV game, also Fuel)
Ni No Kuni - Wrath of the White Witch (I've not played it, so I can't even venture to guess if there is a game that plays like this, I do know the art style is unique, but you can't say a game has no equivalent based on art style alone)
Ninja Gaiden Sigma & Sigma 2 (There are Ninja Gaiden games for the 360)
PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale (I guess, but then even this is shit compared to Smash bros IMO)
Puppeteer
Ratchet & Clank (6 new releases and the originals in a collection) (Partly See Ico & Shadow of the Colossus, partly yeah, but Banjo Kazooie and other 3rd person platformers)
Resistance Fall of Man and 2 & 3 (See Killzone)
The Sly Collection (See Ico and Shadow of the Colossus)
Sly Cooper Thieves in Time (See the other half of Ratchet and Clank)
StarHawk (not sure of what's unique about it)
Tales (all of the games in the Tales series that are exclusive to the PS3) (Tales of Vesperia)
Tekken Hybrid (HD version of Tekken Tag Tournament with demo for TTT2 and a Blu-Ray movie) (Tekken 6)
Twisted Metal (There are plenty of car combat games, and quite frankly I thought Twisted Metal for PS3 was crappy)
Uncharted 1, 2 & 3 (Tomb Raider)
Valkyria Chronicles (Any JRPG?)
White Knight Chronicles 1 & 2 (Any JRPG?)
Yakuza 3, 4 & Dead Souls (Sleeping Dogs?)
I'll bold the ones I own.
I italicized the ones I have played.
quite a few games I know nothing of, even some of the ones I own, but I do own them for a reason.
Also, I got lazy at some point.
I suppose I didn't name any exclusives or very few, but if it is available on another platform, I figured that counts for something.
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My Dad accidentally let slip that he got me and my brother a PS4 for Christmas and I couldn't be more excited, it kind of sucks that the surprise is ruined for me, but my brother doesn't know yet. Though I've missed the first couple of years, there's nothing wrong being late to a party, especially considering that I think its best days are in front of it as opposed to behind it. Looking at Nintendo's lax releases next year I'm definitely glad to be getting something worth playing in 2016 and on.
I'll check your vid out and continue the discussion over on YouTube.
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I was surprised to realize this week, after entering the last of my Black Friday haul into the database, that I have over 60 PS4 games now. And all of them are good imo. Love the system, and next year looks like its biggest yet.
As for the 'bone...my 360 has been collecting dust for ages now, well before I got a PS4. And I've seen nothing on the 'bone to sell me on it that's either out now or on the horizon. There's a game or two I'd look at if I had the system - the Insomniac game, a couple of indies - but nothing I'll miss if I never own one. And given my history w/ MS consoles, I'm content passing it by.
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For a PS4 thread, it's interesting how much the Xbox One has been mentioned.
Right now Playstation is king in the console market. Sony has marketed it brilliantly. I love Playstation through and through. The PS4 is high quality console that I expect to get better and better. From a gamer's perspective, it seems fairly easy to publish a game on Playstation digitally and physically. Look at all the smaller games that have gotten physical releases. Crazy when compared to all the hoop jumping publishers have to do for Microsoft and Nintendo.
I do think Playstation 4's success is partly due to the rocky launch that the Xbone had. I personally don't think that Microsoft will recover from that any time soon. Microsoft should be given credit with how they've tried to reverse that negative backlash. I eventually will get an Xbox one as I think that the Xbone will be a worthwhile console in the long run. I remember thinking that I'd never get an Xbox of any kind because I really didn't like Microsoft. That certainly didn't last long. I've had tons of fun collecting for the 360 since I was strictly a PS3 guy for a long while. There are some great games in the 360 library. Playstation and Nintendo are great with their exclusives and hopefully Microsoft's exclusives will eventually be worthwhile owning the console. With Quantum Break and Scalebound hopefully we'll see Xbone exclusives become top tier like Sony's. Rare Replay and Halo 5 seem like solid exclusives, but I don't think they justify owning and Xbox right now. If I only wanted to play third party games, then I'd own a PS4 since that seems to be the way to go. I hope to eventually own a Xbox One, but until a game really sparks my interest I'll stick to my PS4. Seeing what Sony has done in only two years, I can't wait to see what they do in the next two.
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I agree with gf78. If you see a hardware BC PS3 for $100 in the wild grab it.
That said, be ready to baby it. The Hardware BC model was the launch model. Yes it had issues. But they quickly dropped power usage, removed excessive hardware (PS2), and made several other modifications to subsequent models to mitigate and drastically reduce those issues
The 360 on the other hand stuck with their doomed to early failure hardware design for over 3 years.
I wanted a 360 for XNA and homebrewer possibilities alone. But at the end of the day I wasn't going to pay $300 or more for a console that was practically guaranteed to fail after 2-3 years of regular use.
My non-BC PS3 continues to work to this day. As does the used launch model PS3 I picked up on Craigslist.
All that said. This Christmas we are adding the PS4 and XboxOne to our collection. Rare Replay and Rise of the Tomb Raider were enough for me. :)
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Loving it so far, Fallout finally came out, Ace Combat next year? or 2017.... Games i want finally coming out.
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I'll probably pick up a PS4 either next year or 2017, since it looks like the library is defenitely better than the Xbox One. The only thing keeping me interested in the Xbox One is Scalebound, Raiden V, Natsuki Chronicle, and Shooting Love Trilogy which will hopefully all be region-free, given that their market in Japan is ridicuolously small right now compared to the 360.
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My experience with the PlayStation 4 has been good. It hasn't been stellar, but it hasn't been awful. I purchased one because they announced Star Ocean 5 would only be available for American gamers on the PS4 even though it's getting released on the PS3, too.
The first game I tried was Omega Quintet. I hated it.
Tales of Zestiria was fun at first, but it was disappointing. Like SO5, it was also on the PS3 but I wanted the CE so I went with the PS4 version.
Final Fantasy Type-0 really impressed me. I wasn't expecting to have the level of fun with it that I did.
So, overall, I think the PS4 is fine. It's not nearly as special to me as the PS2 or PS3, but my guess is that it will be over time. It looks like some awesome stuff is coming out in 2016 and I'm anxious to get into it. I'll eventually get some 2015 exclusives I missed; I'm in no hurry.
Oh, and The Playroom is an awful, awful thing.
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All that said. This Christmas we are adding the PS4 and XboxOne to our collection. Rare Replay and Rise of the Tomb Raider were enough for me. :)
I bought a copy of Rare Replay when Walmart was blowing them out on Black Friday. While I don't own a 'bone, I play these games in an emulator so I feel all warm & legal now. ;D As for Rise of the Tomb Raider, I really do want to play that. But...it's coming out in less than a year now for the PS4 and I'm sure it will have any kinks worked out of it and will look a bit better. May even include some of the DLC on the disc since we had to wait for it. It would really bother me being a timed exclusive except that I have more games than I can handle on my plate as is.
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I opted to buy a PS4 last September when Destiny came out. Obviously I could have got it on Xbox One or even last gen consoles, so I'm not saying that's why I chose PS4, just what finally gave me the push to get one. I chose the PS4 as I knew it would be the best platform for JRPGs (also tbf at the time it was cheaper than XONE).
During the last generation, I first got an Xbox 360 and tbh for that period it was the right choice as for a phase I was really invested in multiplayer online shooters and for that, the 360 was far superior to the PS3; with exclusives like Halo and Gears, and with Xbox Live being well worth the price when compared to the pitiful PSN. Oh and the controller was far superior too. So I don't regret my choice too much, but I did always miss my JRPGs with there being slim pickings (I did enjoy Star Ocean, Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia though).
I was a late adopter of the PS3, I picked mine up for The Last of Us and it was worth it, had I never played another game on the system, it would have been worth it. It was great to have access to so many JRPGs all of a sudden; the likes of Ni No Kuni for example.
I'll be honest thus far there isn't much on the PS4 that I couldn't play on the XONE if I had one, or on my PS3. I only own two exclusives; Infamous: Second Son and Until Dawn. However I know the PS4 has plenty to come with the likes of Uncharted 4, Persona 5 (I'll be surprised if the PS3 version comes out of Japan) and No Man's Sky. The PSN is much improved from the previous gen and the controller is probably the best of the generation.
As for my thoughts on XONE. I've played one. The controller isn't as good as the 360's but it plays fine. I do envy titles such as Rare Replay (I mean what an insane collection, never seen so many classic titles on one disk) and Halo 5. And I'f love to play some of my favorite 360 titles up-scaled like Gears of War Definitive and The Master Chief Collection (now that it's fixed). So I probably will end up picking up an XONE eventually but there's no rush. I also wonder what they have up their sleeve? Aside from Gears of War 4 and an inevitable Halo 6, what do they bring to the table? They don't have anything else really, unless they start making more 3rd party deals.
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I opted to buy a PS4 last September when Destiny came out. Obviously I could have got it on Xbox One or even last gen consoles, so I'm not saying that's why I chose PS4, just what finally gave me the push to get one. I chose the PS4 as I knew it would be the best platform for JRPGs (also tbf at the time it was cheaper than XONE).
During the last generation, I first got an Xbox 360 and tbh for that period it was the right choice as for a phase I was really invested in multiplayer online shooters and for that, the 360 was far superior to the PS3; with exclusives like Halo and Gears, and with Xbox Live being well worth the price when compared to the pitiful PSN. Oh and the controller was far superior too. So I don't regret my choice too much, but I did always miss my JRPGs with there being slim pickings (I did enjoy Star Ocean, Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia though).
I was a late adopter of the PS3, I picked mine up for The Last of Us and it was worth it, had I never played another game on the system, it would have been worth it. It was great to have access to so many JRPGs all of a sudden; the likes of Ni No Kuni for example.
I'll be honest thus far there isn't much on the PS4 that I couldn't play on the XONE if I had one, or on my PS3. I only own two exclusives; Infamous: Second Son and Until Dawn. However I know the PS4 has plenty to come with the likes of Uncharted 4, Persona 5 (I'll be surprised if the PS3 version comes out of Japan) and No Man's Sky. The PSN is much improved from the previous gen and the controller is probably the best of the generation.
As for my thoughts on XONE. I've played one. The controller isn't as good as the 360's but it plays fine. I do envy titles such as Rare Replay (I mean what an insane collection, never seen so many classic titles on one disk) and Halo 5. And I'f love to play some of my favorite 360 titles up-scaled like Gears of War Definitive and The Master Chief Collection (now that it's fixed). So I probably will end up picking up an XONE eventually but there's no rush. I also wonder what they have up their sleeve? Aside from Gears of War 4 and an inevitable Halo 6, what do they bring to the table? They don't have anything else really, unless they start making more 3rd party deals.
With how low sales for Rise of Tomb Raider are, I think Microsoft may think twice before investing in paid or timed exclusives. Rise has done nothing to bolster Xbox One sales and I don't see how the heads in charge can see it as anything but a bad investment. Third parties are releasing more and more of their games only on PS4 so they basically become PS4 exclusives by default. Other 3rd party exclusives have failed to ignite the sales charts as well. Sunset Overdrive was one of the 'bones best exclusives and it sold well below expectations. After Scalebound and the few other exclusives already announced, I don't see many more coming. If Microsoft even makes another console after the 'bone I would be surprised. I see them furthering their push into services like Xbox Live and leaving the hardware race. It has never been profitable for them.
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The low sales of RoTR are probably a result of the entire TR community feeling kicked in the balls by the whole timed exclusive thing.
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I opted to buy a PS4 last September when Destiny came out. Obviously I could have got it on Xbox One or even last gen consoles, so I'm not saying that's why I chose PS4, just what finally gave me the push to get one. I chose the PS4 as I knew it would be the best platform for JRPGs (also tbf at the time it was cheaper than XONE).
During the last generation, I first got an Xbox 360 and tbh for that period it was the right choice as for a phase I was really invested in multiplayer online shooters and for that, the 360 was far superior to the PS3; with exclusives like Halo and Gears, and with Xbox Live being well worth the price when compared to the pitiful PSN. Oh and the controller was far superior too. So I don't regret my choice too much, but I did always miss my JRPGs with there being slim pickings (I did enjoy Star Ocean, Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia though).
I was a late adopter of the PS3, I picked mine up for The Last of Us and it was worth it, had I never played another game on the system, it would have been worth it. It was great to have access to so many JRPGs all of a sudden; the likes of Ni No Kuni for example.
I'll be honest thus far there isn't much on the PS4 that I couldn't play on the XONE if I had one, or on my PS3. I only own two exclusives; Infamous: Second Son and Until Dawn. However I know the PS4 has plenty to come with the likes of Uncharted 4, Persona 5 (I'll be surprised if the PS3 version comes out of Japan) and No Man's Sky. The PSN is much improved from the previous gen and the controller is probably the best of the generation.
As for my thoughts on XONE. I've played one. The controller isn't as good as the 360's but it plays fine. I do envy titles such as Rare Replay (I mean what an insane collection, never seen so many classic titles on one disk) and Halo 5. And I'f love to play some of my favorite 360 titles up-scaled like Gears of War Definitive and The Master Chief Collection (now that it's fixed). So I probably will end up picking up an XONE eventually but there's no rush. I also wonder what they have up their sleeve? Aside from Gears of War 4 and an inevitable Halo 6, what do they bring to the table? They don't have anything else really, unless they start making more 3rd party deals.
With how low sales for Rise of Tomb Raider are, I think Microsoft may think twice before investing in paid or timed exclusives. Rise has done nothing to bolster Xbox One sales and I don't see how the heads in charge can see it as anything but a bad investment. Third parties are releasing more and more of their games only on PS4 so they basically become PS4 exclusives by default. Other 3rd party exclusives have failed to ignite the sales charts as well. Sunset Overdrive was one of the 'bones best exclusives and it sold well below expectations. After Scalebound and the few other exclusives already announced, I don't see many more coming. If Microsoft even makes another console after the 'bone I would be surprised. I see them furthering their push into services like Xbox Live and leaving the hardware race. It has never been profitable for them.
Personally I wasn't annoyed that Tomb Raider was a timed exclusive, I was disappointed as PS4 owner of course, but I wasn't angry with Square or Crystal because at the end of the day it's a business and it appeared a sound deal. What did annoy me however was how it was handled by Crystal; dodging questions on the bottom line of the deal, leaving it open to debate; I mean it took Phil Spencer to confirm it was simply a timed deal. I think the timing of Tomb Raider's release probably attributed to its poor sales; Colin Moriarty of Kinda Funny called it all the way; they should have delayed this game until February in my mind, then it would have sold better as there's nothing that month. I do think when the came launches for PS4 and PC next year that it will sell well.
Scalebound is interesting, I feel its going to be a fantastic game but I don't think it will sell that much; don't get me wrong I'm sure it'll be a qualified success but even if it was multi-platform, I still wouldn't expect substantial sales. Platinum's action titles are for a niche market. Microsoft should have learned by now that no matter what exclusives they pay for in order to try and win over Japan, it won't work. If Lost Odyssey didn't win them the day in the last generation, then nothing will.
Let's not jump the gun here, XONE is selling well, its just not selling as much as the PS4. I mean only days ago Phil Spencer said he expects there to be an "Xbox 4" and I'd be surprised if there isn't. However I think they need to accept second place; as I said before their strength in the previous generation was their online service, their controller and their status as the platform for multiplayer shooters. PS4 has improved the online service and controller; and although it still doesn't have exclusives that compare to Gears of War or Halo (mind those franchises are running out of steam), they have accepted that fact and instead looked to frame themselves as the preferential platform for multi-platform shooters such as Call of Duty,Battlefront and Destiny.
The PS3 edged out Xbox 360 with both having in excess of 80 million units shipped. I'd personally predict the PS4 will end up at about 90 million with the XONE at about 70 million. And honestly I think Microsoft will be happy with 70 million.
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The low sales of RoTR are probably a result of the entire TR community feeling kicked in the balls by the whole timed exclusive thing.
While it's common knowledge that Tomb Raider appeared (nearly simultaneously) on PlayStation, Saturn and the PC, it has always been viewed as a franchise that's home was PlayStation. It pretty much was a kick in the balls that Microsoft made the exclusive deal and it was a second kick in the balls when Crystal Dynamics told angry PlayStation gamers to suck it up and play their download Lara Croft game instead.
The low sales-at least in my mind, are due to the game releasing in a crowded timeframe up against the likes of Fallout 4. That and the fact that Tomb Raider has never sold as well on Xbox as PlayStation. I think Microsoft tried to bitch-slap Sony by snagging this title as a holiday exclusive and it backfired in their face. I don't think in a million years that they expected the backlash they received and Phil Spencer had to come out and say something to save face. Just my two cents.
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Let's not jump the gun here, XONE is selling well, its just not selling as much as the PS4. I mean only days ago Phil Spencer said he expects there to be an "Xbox 4" and I'd be surprised if there isn't. However I think they need to accept second place; as I said before their strength in the previous generation was their online service, their controller and their status as the platform for multiplayer shooters. PS4 has improved the online service and controller; and although it still doesn't have exclusives that compare to Gears of War or Halo (mind those franchises are running out of steam), they have accepted that fact and instead looked to frame themselves as the preferential platform for multi-platform shooters such as Call of Duty,Battlefront and Destiny.
The PS3 edged out Xbox 360 with both having in excess of 80 million units shipped. I'd personally predict the PS4 will end up at about 90 million with the XONE at about 70 million. And honestly I think Microsoft will be happy with 70 million.
Everyone likes to use the statements by Microsoft from early 2014 about how the Xbox One is selling better than the Xbox 360 in the same span of time. Unfortunately, early 2014 is when this stopped being the case. There is a reason Microsoft decided around early 2014 to combine sales figures for 360 and Xbox One: Because the Xbox One wasn't selling as well as they hoped. There is a reason why they no longer release sales numbers at all: The Xbox One sales are pretty abysmal. The last "less than flaccid" sales figures we had to go on estimate that Xbox One has sold around 15 million units in two years. While this is better than the supply constrained Xbox 360, it's far below initial estimates and selling less than half the units that Sony is selling. In addition, sales in territories including UK, Europe and Japan are lower than they were for the 360.
Microsoft's past lucrative deals that scored them early exclusives and co-marketing for such heavy hitters as Call of Duty are over. Third parties are shying away from even releasing their games as multiplatform and only releasing on the PS4.
I'm going to call it now. The Xbox One will sell between 40-45 million units in it's lifetime while the PS4 will sell between 100-110 million. For Microsoft to sell 70 million and Sony to sell 90 million systems by the end, Xbox One would have to immediately begin selling on par with the PS4 from today on. We know this is not the case as worldwide, the PS4 continues to widen the gap and is forecast to have a 3:1 install base over the Xbox One by the end of 2016.
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Let's not jump the gun here, XONE is selling well, its just not selling as much as the PS4. I mean only days ago Phil Spencer said he expects there to be an "Xbox 4" and I'd be surprised if there isn't. However I think they need to accept second place; as I said before their strength in the previous generation was their online service, their controller and their status as the platform for multiplayer shooters. PS4 has improved the online service and controller; and although it still doesn't have exclusives that compare to Gears of War or Halo (mind those franchises are running out of steam), they have accepted that fact and instead looked to frame themselves as the preferential platform for multi-platform shooters such as Call of Duty,Battlefront and Destiny.
The PS3 edged out Xbox 360 with both having in excess of 80 million units shipped. I'd personally predict the PS4 will end up at about 90 million with the XONE at about 70 million. And honestly I think Microsoft will be happy with 70 million.
Everyone likes to use the statements by Microsoft from early 2014 about how the Xbox One is selling better than the Xbox 360 in the same span of time. Unfortunately, early 2014 is when this stopped being the case. There is a reason Microsoft decided around early 2014 to combine sales figures for 360 and Xbox One: Because the Xbox One wasn't selling as well as they hoped. There is a reason why they no longer release sales numbers at all: The Xbox One sales are pretty abysmal. The last "less than flaccid" sales figures we had to go on estimate that Xbox One has sold around 15 million units in two years. While this is better than the supply constrained Xbox 360, it's far below initial estimates and selling less than half the units that Sony is selling. In addition, sales in territories including UK, Europe and Japan are lower than they were for the 360.
Microsoft's past lucrative deals that scored them early exclusives and co-marketing for such heavy hitters as Call of Duty are over. Third parties are shying away from even releasing their games as multiplatform and only releasing on the PS4.
I'm going to call it now. The Xbox One will sell between 40-45 million units in it's lifetime while the PS4 will sell between 100-110 million. For Microsoft to sell 70 million and Sony to sell 90 million systems by the end, Xbox One would have to immediately begin selling on par with the PS4 from today on. We know this is not the case as worldwide, the PS4 continues to widen the gap and is forecast to have a 3:1 install base over the Xbox One by the end of 2016.
XONE sales have picked up since the price drop and they've even won the day on some months in this calendar year. And it will certainly win some months in 2016 as well. Perhaps I left the PS4 a little short by saying 90 million, as tbh I was simply adding up the figures from the last gen for a total of 160 million and dividing them accordingly; however it was early in the morning and I didn't factor things in such as people switching from the Wii etc. So I'd revise my figures to 110m for the PS4 and 75m for the XONE. That's roughly a 3:2 ratio which I believe is similar to the current ratio. Last I heard in terms of estimates, PS4 is roughly 13 million units ahead.
Plenty of industry experts have predicted the XONE to have healthy lifetime sales, and I really think your figures are OTT. We can't use 2014 as the basis for XONE's future; they had a horrible 2014, we all know that, they got everything wrong and had to play catch up; however they've learned from mistakes and have made many improvements in 2015. Titles such as Quantum Break, Fable Legends, Gears of War 4, Recore etc. will surely push systems in 2016 just as Titanfall and Halo 5 did.
There's also whispers from reputable people that Microsoft have paid a lot of money to secure the services of the biggest name in gaming; Hideo Kojima to create a spiritual successor to the Silent Hills project; from what I've heard they tried to secure the rights from Konami but Konami demanded too much so they told them where to go and approached Kojima themselves. All the shit storm about Konami, Kojima, the Game Awards etc. will have served as a publicity campaign for this hypothetical title that no money could buy. If this title exists, and I personally don't doubt it; well then I'd expect it to be the ultimate system mover, as every Tom, Dick and Harry will want to play it, even people who have never played an MGS in their lives will jump on the bandwagon because of all the controversy and hype.
I really don't understand all the hate towards XONE. Its a great console; its just not quite as good as the PS4 but sure in my mind we should just have all the consoles. The more the merrier. If there were ten (worthwhile) companies with systems on the market, I'd want them all :D
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XONE sales have picked up since the price drop and they've even won the day on some months in this calendar year. And it will certainly win some months in 2016 as well. Perhaps I left the PS4 a little short by saying 90 million, as tbh I was simply adding up the figures from the last gen for a total of 160 million and dividing them accordingly; however it was early in the morning and I didn't factor things in such as people switching from the Wii etc. So I'd revise my figures to 110m for the PS4 and 75m for the XONE. That's roughly a 3:2 ratio which I believe is similar to the current ratio. Last I heard in terms of estimates, PS4 is roughly 13 million units ahead.
Plenty of industry experts have predicted the XONE to have healthy lifetime sales, and I really think your figures are OTT. We can't use 2014 as the basis for XONE's future; they had a horrible 2014, we all know that, they got everything wrong and had to play catch up; however they've learned from mistakes and have made many improvements in 2015. Titles such as Quantum Break, Fable Legends, Gears of War 4, Recore etc. will surely push systems in 2016 just as Titanfall and Halo 5 did.
There's also whispers from reputable people that Microsoft have paid a lot of money to secure the services of the biggest name in gaming; Hideo Kojima to create a spiritual successor to the Silent Hills project; from what I've heard they tried to secure the rights from Konami but Konami demanded too much so they told them where to go and approached Kojima themselves. All the shit storm about Konami, Kojima, the Game Awards etc. will have served as a publicity campaign for this hypothetical title that no money could buy. If this title exists, and I personally don't doubt it; well then I'd expect it to be the ultimate system mover, as every Tom, Dick and Harry will want to play it, even people who have never played an MGS in their lives will jump on the bandwagon because of all the controversy and hype.
I really don't understand all the hate towards XONE. Its a great console; its just not quite as good as the PS4 but sure in my mind we should just have all the consoles. The more the merrier. If there were ten (worthwhile) companies with systems on the market, I'd want them all :D
The only "wins" for a few months for Xbox One were in the US as reported by NPD, a tracking firm. PS4 still slaughtered them outright in worldwide sales. In fact, there hasn't been a single month of the 25 months these two consoles have been on the market that Xbox One has outsold the PS4 worldwide. So in reality, Xbox One has won zero months in the sales war.
If Xbox One had a horrible 2014, what do you call this year? At least in 2014 they managed bragging rights for top US sales in November and December. They were beaten in November and December looks to play out the same way. Titanfall didn't make a blip on the radar in Xbox One sales and while Halo 5 pushed Xbox One sales slightly over PS4 in October, the series has experienced it's lowest sales in it's history. 2015 has also seen Microsoft resort to a flat-out refusal to release sales figures for the Xbox One. Given Microsoft's past as the biggest braggers when they scored an NPD sales victory for a month, their silence speaks volumes as to the state of the Xbox One's sales performance.
The entire Silent Hills/Kojima thing is just what it is: A rumor. Given Microsoft's consistent failures with third party exclusives and just about anything outside the shooter/racing genre, do you really believe they will court a developer who is distinctly Japanese for a platform where Japanese games tend to sell poorly? If anything, I see Kojima releasing a game for the PS4.
The "hate" directed toward Microsoft is because they have a consistent pattern of screwing the consumer. It's been thoroughly discussed here. Scrapping the original Xbox after just four years. Up to 50% failure rate on the 360 because they rushed it to market to beat Sony. Forcing Kinect on gamers. NSA spying. Draconian DRM policies they tried to implement. Telling gamers without an internet connection to go buy a 360 and basically STFU. Years of paid, timed exclusives depriving gamers on other systems content. Scuttling all of their best studios like FASA, Ensemble, Digital Anvil, Bizarre Creations....the list goes on and on. Then they buy up Rare and turn them into a joke, making crap like Kinect Sports and goofy looking avatars for your home screen.
Microsoft has been a detriment and a pox on gaming. They introduces the world to the "pay to play" model where you are charged for online access. They locked digital services like Netflix behind a paywall. They not only allowed but encouraged the proliferation of paid DLC and microtransactions. Look at the Forza games! They cut the number of cars and tracks the games ship with and to get everything now, you literally have to spend a couple hundred dollars. It all boils down to greed.
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XONE sales have picked up since the price drop and they've even won the day on some months in this calendar year. And it will certainly win some months in 2016 as well. Perhaps I left the PS4 a little short by saying 90 million, as tbh I was simply adding up the figures from the last gen for a total of 160 million and dividing them accordingly; however it was early in the morning and I didn't factor things in such as people switching from the Wii etc. So I'd revise my figures to 110m for the PS4 and 75m for the XONE. That's roughly a 3:2 ratio which I believe is similar to the current ratio. Last I heard in terms of estimates, PS4 is roughly 13 million units ahead.
Plenty of industry experts have predicted the XONE to have healthy lifetime sales, and I really think your figures are OTT. We can't use 2014 as the basis for XONE's future; they had a horrible 2014, we all know that, they got everything wrong and had to play catch up; however they've learned from mistakes and have made many improvements in 2015. Titles such as Quantum Break, Fable Legends, Gears of War 4, Recore etc. will surely push systems in 2016 just as Titanfall and Halo 5 did.
There's also whispers from reputable people that Microsoft have paid a lot of money to secure the services of the biggest name in gaming; Hideo Kojima to create a spiritual successor to the Silent Hills project; from what I've heard they tried to secure the rights from Konami but Konami demanded too much so they told them where to go and approached Kojima themselves. All the shit storm about Konami, Kojima, the Game Awards etc. will have served as a publicity campaign for this hypothetical title that no money could buy. If this title exists, and I personally don't doubt it; well then I'd expect it to be the ultimate system mover, as every Tom, Dick and Harry will want to play it, even people who have never played an MGS in their lives will jump on the bandwagon because of all the controversy and hype.
I really don't understand all the hate towards XONE. Its a great console; its just not quite as good as the PS4 but sure in my mind we should just have all the consoles. The more the merrier. If there were ten (worthwhile) companies with systems on the market, I'd want them all :D
The only "wins" for a few months for Xbox One were in the US as reported by NPD, a tracking firm. PS4 still slaughtered them outright in worldwide sales. In fact, there hasn't been a single month of the 25 months these two consoles have been on the market that Xbox One has outsold the PS4 worldwide. So in reality, Xbox One has won zero months in the sales war.
If Xbox One had a horrible 2014, what do you call this year? At least in 2014 they managed bragging rights for top US sales in November and December. They were beaten in November and December looks to play out the same way. Titanfall didn't make a blip on the radar in Xbox One sales and while Halo 5 pushed Xbox One sales slightly over PS4 in October, the series has experienced it's lowest sales in it's history. 2015 has also seen Microsoft resort to a flat-out refusal to release sales figures for the Xbox One. Given Microsoft's past as the biggest braggers when they scored an NPD sales victory for a month, their silence speaks volumes as to the state of the Xbox One's sales performance.
The entire Silent Hills/Kojima thing is just what it is: A rumor. Given Microsoft's consistent failures with third party exclusives and just about anything outside the shooter/racing genre, do you really believe they will court a developer who is distinctly Japanese for a platform where Japanese games tend to sell poorly? If anything, I see Kojima releasing a game for the PS4.
The "hate" directed toward Microsoft is because they have a consistent pattern of screwing the consumer. It's been thoroughly discussed here. Scrapping the original Xbox after just four years. Up to 50% failure rate on the 360 because they rushed it to market to beat Sony. Forcing Kinect on gamers. NSA spying. Draconian DRM policies they tried to implement. Telling gamers without an internet connection to go buy a 360 and basically STFU. Years of paid, timed exclusives depriving gamers on other systems content. Scuttling all of their best studios like FASA, Ensemble, Digital Anvil, Bizarre Creations....the list goes on and on. Then they buy up Rare and turn them into a joke, making crap like Kinect Sports and goofy looking avatars for your home screen.
Microsoft has been a detriment and a pox on gaming. They introduces the world to the "pay to play" model where you are charged for online access. They locked digital services like Netflix behind a paywall. They not only allowed but encouraged the proliferation of paid DLC and microtransactions. Look at the Forza games! They cut the number of cars and tracks the games ship with and to get everything now, you literally have to spend a couple hundred dollars. It all boils down to greed.
We all know the Xbox 360 was a technical mess and had a high failure rate; however I know people who went with he PS3 as their primary console and went through just as many systems as I did. The PS3 maybe had a slightly lower fail rate but I honestly doubt there was a big difference; if there was then clearly I just live among unlucky people.
Paid, timed exclusives work both ways; you can't give out about MS doing it, yet turn a blind eye to Sony; what about Rocket League? One of the most popular titles of 2015, XONE owners have to wait until next year to play it. I don't think timed exclusives is something we can complain about; this is a business, things like exclusives (timed or permanent) and bundles help push systems, so they're an inevitability. Timed exclusives existed long before Microsoft began to use them as a tool. As I said before I don't mind exclusives being timed, I just don't like when publishers are cloak and dagger about it. Tomb Raider is one such example; however it wasn't the first, Resident Evil 4 springs to mind, that moved quite a few Gamecubes, only to be available on PS2 eventually. Like I said Phil Spencer was very honest about it, so I commend that.
We all have our qualms with how publishers handle certain studios. Perhaps Rare serve as the greatest example; however they also serve as an example of how MS learns from mistakes. It appears that Rare are finally being allowed to create once again. So it'll be interesting to see how things go with their next title.
At least Forza worked. What about the mess that was Driveclub? "Driveclub free to all PS Plus members"....."Actually it'll be a free version, you'll have to pay to upgrade to the full version if you like it"........"Sorry we can't offer you your free version yet but you're welcome to buy the full version"........"Actually it was only temporary, you snooze you lose". So yeah we were treated temporarily, after the title had launched, to a glorified demo of a game that wasn't very good to begin with. Thanks Sony you're the greatest. If you're going to tar and feather Microsoft, then please don't pull any punches with Sony. Personally I loved Forza 2 but I'd never been a big fan of racers, and when Forza 3 launched, I couldn't get into it. However I have heard of content annually shifting more off disk and behind a pay wall; however that's more a trend of the industry as a whole, as opposed to just Microsoft.
Personally I despise DLC; my opinion on that won't change. My belief is that any added maps or missions that a developer wishes to add should be done so as a free gift to the gamer. An expansion pack is something different entirely; if it adds a new campaign, then of course you can charge for it; however an expansion has to be meaty enough to warrant the title. Charging 30 dollars for an expansion that adds 20+ hours of gameplay to a 60 hour game, is fine by me. However for 5 hours, it's not on; I mean plenty of games are too short to begin with these days, so I'd ask why weren't those five hours in the game to begin with? However that's an entirely different topic altogether and one I could talk about all day.
As for which months they won; from what I've read, Titanfall won them March and Halo won them October; apparently Rare Replay and Gears of War increased sales as well. It's really a no brainer that good exclusives can push systems. It's a shame really that MS messed up the XONE's announcement so badly. As I honestly feel had they announced 1. a Kinect free option 2. no DRM and 3. backwards compatibility; that we'd be looking at a much tighter race atm. And a much tighter race would benefit us the gamer, above the companies.How you ask? Well the tighter the race, the more Sony would be pushed to offer us what we want. Name changes, backwards compatibility, PSOne classics being multi-buy; the sky would be the limit if Sony had that extra push. Though you never know; Sony really stuffed up the start of the last gen and yet made up massive ground; I'd hope MS can do something similar as we move towards the middle of these consoles' life cycles. And don't forget the NX, hopefully it takes its fair share of the pie. As honestly a tight race is good for the gamer.
I already made it clear that some decisions made by MS in the past weren't sound; they had to back pedal and some people paid the ultimate price for that with some reshuffles at the top. However since Phil came to the helm, they've moved forward well. He's a likable guy; even Colin Moriarty and Greg Miller are often full of praise for him, and they're arguably the biggest PS fanboys in the industry, they had a panel at PSX for christ sake. The DRM stuff was laughable. The idea of having to have a Kinect put me off the system tbh, it wasn't until they announced they would offer the option of having a system without it that I personally decided I'd eventually pick one up. Making a mistake is one thing but admitting that mistakes and changing things is another. The past matters little, the future is what counts.
I think there's no smoke without fire; the Silent Hills coming to XONE rumor was such a bizarre one, that it seemed too crazy for even the craziest person to make up, so I had my suspicions. So when Adam Kovic was recently a guest on Kinda Funny and told them that there's whispers that Kojima has signed on with Microsoft for a spiritual successor to the project I wasn't surprised. Let's be honest here; we may paint Kojima as some messiah of the industry who just loves to create content for the gamer. However at the end of the day he is a man; if MS drive a truckload of money up to his front door and request he make them a game, then its doubtful he'd turn them down. It doesn't stop him signing a similar deal with Sony for a stealth game as a successor to MGS perhaps. Look at Inafune, he's whoring himself out, attaching himself to every project possible. He's making that cash, cash money. Fair play to him; I say Kojima get out there and make yourself your fortune. His name is gold-dust in the industry atm. If I was Nintendo, MS and Sony; I'd get his name attached to an exclusive for each system; suddenly a lot more people would want to have one of each console. I can picture it now; Kojima sitting in an ivory tower with Phil, Reggie and Shuhei laughing at all us pitiful gamers clamoring for their systems :D Thats the reality; one can't paint Microsoft as some evil dark lord and Sony as a white night; we're all just pawns to each of them, they want our money first and foremost. Its a business.
Again I say it; the more consoles, the merrier.
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We all know the Xbox 360 was a technical mess and had a high failure rate; however I know people who went with he PS3 as their primary console and went through just as many systems as I did. The PS3 maybe had a slightly lower fail rate but I honestly doubt there was a big difference; if there was then clearly I just live among unlucky people.
Paid, timed exclusives work both ways; you can't give out about MS doing it, yet turn a blind eye to Sony; what about Rocket League? One of the most popular titles of 2015, XONE owners have to wait until next year to play it. I don't think timed exclusives is something we can complain about; this is a business, things like exclusives (timed or permanent) and bundles help push systems, so they're an inevitability. Timed exclusives existed long before Microsoft began to use them as a tool. As I said before I don't mind exclusives being timed, I just don't like when publishers are cloak and dagger about it. Tomb Raider is one such example; however it wasn't the first, Resident Evil 4 springs to mind, that moved quite a few Gamecubes, only to be available on PS2 eventually. Like I said Phil Spencer was very honest about it, so I commend that.
We all have our qualms with how publishers handle certain studios. Perhaps Rare serve as the greatest example; however they also serve as an example of how MS learns from mistakes. It appears that Rare are finally being allowed to create once again. So it'll be interesting to see how things go with their next title.
At least Forza worked. What about the mess that was Driveclub? "Driveclub free to all PS Plus members"....."Actually it'll be a free version, you'll have to pay to upgrade to the full version if you like it"........"Sorry we can't offer you your free version yet but you're welcome to buy the full version"........"Actually it was only temporary, you snooze you lose". So yeah we were treated temporarily, after the title had launched, to a glorified demo of a game that wasn't very good to begin with. Thanks Sony you're the greatest. If you're going to tar and feather Microsoft, then please don't pull any punches with Sony. Personally I loved Forza 2 but I'd never been a big fan of racers, and when Forza 3 launched, I couldn't get into it. However I have heard of content annually shifting more off disk and behind a pay wall; however that's more a trend of the industry as a whole, as opposed to just Microsoft.
Personally I despise DLC; my opinion on that won't change. My belief is that any added maps or missions that a developer wishes to add should be done so as a free gift to the gamer. An expansion pack is something different entirely; if it adds a new campaign, then of course you can charge for it; however an expansion has to be meaty enough to warrant the title. Charging 30 dollars for an expansion that adds 20+ hours of gameplay to a 60 hour game, is fine by me. However for 5 hours, it's not on; I mean plenty of games are too short to begin with these days, so I'd ask why weren't those five hours in the game to begin with? However that's an entirely different topic altogether and one I could talk about all day.
As for which months they won; from what I read, Titanfall won them March and Halo won them October. Its really a no brainer that good exclusives can push systems. its a shame really that MS messed up the XONE's announcement so badly. As I honestly feel had they announced 1. a Kinect free option 2. no DRM and 3. backwards compatibility; that we'd be looking at a much tighter race atm. And a much tighter race would benefit us the gamer, above the companies.How you ask? Well the tighter the race, the more Sony would be pushed to offer us what we want. Name changes, backwards compatibility, PSOne classics being multi-buy; the sky would be the limit if Sony had that extra push. Though you never know; Sony really stuffed up the start of the last gen and yet made up massive ground; I'd hope MS can do something similar as we move towards the middle of these consoles' life cycles. And don't forget the NX, hopefully it takes its fair share of the pie. As honestly a tight race is good for the gamer.
I already made it clear that some decisions made by MS in the past weren't sound; they had to back pedal and some people paid the ultimate price for that with some reshuffles at the top. However since Phil came to the helm, they've moved forward well. He's a likable guy; even Colin Moriarty and Greg Miller are often full of praise for him, and they're arguably the biggest PS fanboys in the industry, they had a panel at PSX for christ sake. The DRM stuff was laughable. The idea of having to have a Kinect put me off the system tbh, it wasn't until they announced they would offer the option of having a system without it that I personally decided I'd eventually pick one up. Making a mistake is one thing but admitting that mistakes and changing things is another. The past matters little, the future is what counts.
I think there's no smoke without fire; the Silent Hills coming to XONE rumor was such a bizarre one, that it seemed too crazy for even the craziest person to make up, so I had my suspicions. So when Adam Kovic was recently a guest on Kinda Funny and told them that there's whispers that Kojima has signed on with Microsoft for a spiritual successor to the project I wasn't surprised. Let's be honest here; we may paint Kojima as some messiah of the industry who just loves to create content for the gamer. However at the end of the day he is a man; if MS drive a truckload of money up to his front door and request he make them a game, then its doubtful he'd turn them down. It doesn't stop him signing a similar deal with Sony for a stealth game as a successor to MGS perhaps. Look at Inafune, he's whoring himself out, attaching himself to every project possible. He's making that cash, cash money. Fair play to him; I say Kojima get out there and make yourself your fortune. His name is gold-dust in the industry atm. If I was Nintendo, MS and Sony; I'd get his name attached to an exclusive for each system; suddenly a lot more people would want to have one of each console. I can picture it now; Kojima sitting in an ivory tower with Phil, Reggie and Shuhei laughing at all us pitiful gamers clamoring for their systems :D Thats the reality; one can't paint Microsoft as some evil dark lord and Sony as a white night; we're all just pawns to each of them, they want our money first and foremost. Its a business.
Again I say it; the more consoles, the merrier.
PS3 hardware failure rates peaked at about 10%. Xbox 360 peaked at over 50%. Huge, huge difference.
The only reason Phil Spencer was forthcoming about the exclusive period for Rise of Tomb Raider is because the announcement generated a huge shitstorm and backfired in Microsoft's face. They believed the exclusive would be a coup, but instead they suffered the wrath of disgruntled fanboys.
Halo 5 and Black Friday/holiday months are the only ones Microsoft have won. Titanfall was expected to be a huge bump for them and everyone was surprised when it failed to catapult MS to the top that month. Sony's price drop this year and subsequent holiday sales that put them on even ground with Microsoft has stopped them dead in their tracks.
I don't think Sony is a white knight. They like Microsoft are a global corporation and the end goal is to make money and lots of it. But even at Sony's most arrogant when they still let Ken Kutaragi run his pie hole, they never acted like Don Mattrick and Microsoft who basically told gamers if they don't like it, then suck their balls. Microsoft's "admitting mistakes" isn't coming from a change of heart. It's because they reaped their just deserts for trying to screw the consumer over. Given the opportunity, Microsoft would absolutely try to pull their nonsense again.
As for Forza and DriveClub, the launch of DriveClub was a disaster. But Sony has consistently added updates, free content and more and continues to improve the game. There may be about $20 of DLC for DriveClub. It's the first game in perhaps a series or it may never receive a sequel. Forza on the other hand is in it's sixth iteration. They have scaled back the number of cars and tracks to sell them for ludicrous prices at a later time. They are even so "generous" that they offer an overpriced season pass. Even if you bought DriveClub at launch for $60 and bought the $20 in DLC, that's $80. How much would it cost to get everything for Forza? $150? $200? While Sony has continued to support DriveClub, Microsoft just said a big FU and released yet another Forza game in less than two years, not to mention that Forza Horizon "every other year" nonsense.
The fact is that all the shittiest policies and bullcrap that we have to deal with in gaming now stemmed from Microsoft and EA. Small wonder that they work together so much and have that EA Access crap. And aside from what I listed as my disdain for Microsoft, they really don't have much in the way of games that I care for. Certainly not enough to buy their console. For all their "contributions" to gaming, Microsoft can kiss my gouch.
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We all know the Xbox 360 was a technical mess and had a high failure rate; however I know people who went with he PS3 as their primary console and went through just as many systems as I did. The PS3 maybe had a slightly lower fail rate but I honestly doubt there was a big difference; if there was then clearly I just live among unlucky people.
Paid, timed exclusives work both ways; you can't give out about MS doing it, yet turn a blind eye to Sony; what about Rocket League? One of the most popular titles of 2015, XONE owners have to wait until next year to play it. I don't think timed exclusives is something we can complain about; this is a business, things like exclusives (timed or permanent) and bundles help push systems, so they're an inevitability. Timed exclusives existed long before Microsoft began to use them as a tool. As I said before I don't mind exclusives being timed, I just don't like when publishers are cloak and dagger about it. Tomb Raider is one such example; however it wasn't the first, Resident Evil 4 springs to mind, that moved quite a few Gamecubes, only to be available on PS2 eventually. Like I said Phil Spencer was very honest about it, so I commend that.
We all have our qualms with how publishers handle certain studios. Perhaps Rare serve as the greatest example; however they also serve as an example of how MS learns from mistakes. It appears that Rare are finally being allowed to create once again. So it'll be interesting to see how things go with their next title.
At least Forza worked. What about the mess that was Driveclub? "Driveclub free to all PS Plus members"....."Actually it'll be a free version, you'll have to pay to upgrade to the full version if you like it"........"Sorry we can't offer you your free version yet but you're welcome to buy the full version"........"Actually it was only temporary, you snooze you lose". So yeah we were treated temporarily, after the title had launched, to a glorified demo of a game that wasn't very good to begin with. Thanks Sony you're the greatest. If you're going to tar and feather Microsoft, then please don't pull any punches with Sony. Personally I loved Forza 2 but I'd never been a big fan of racers, and when Forza 3 launched, I couldn't get into it. However I have heard of content annually shifting more off disk and behind a pay wall; however that's more a trend of the industry as a whole, as opposed to just Microsoft.
Personally I despise DLC; my opinion on that won't change. My belief is that any added maps or missions that a developer wishes to add should be done so as a free gift to the gamer. An expansion pack is something different entirely; if it adds a new campaign, then of course you can charge for it; however an expansion has to be meaty enough to warrant the title. Charging 30 dollars for an expansion that adds 20+ hours of gameplay to a 60 hour game, is fine by me. However for 5 hours, it's not on; I mean plenty of games are too short to begin with these days, so I'd ask why weren't those five hours in the game to begin with? However that's an entirely different topic altogether and one I could talk about all day.
As for which months they won; from what I read, Titanfall won them March and Halo won them October. Its really a no brainer that good exclusives can push systems. its a shame really that MS messed up the XONE's announcement so badly. As I honestly feel had they announced 1. a Kinect free option 2. no DRM and 3. backwards compatibility; that we'd be looking at a much tighter race atm. And a much tighter race would benefit us the gamer, above the companies.How you ask? Well the tighter the race, the more Sony would be pushed to offer us what we want. Name changes, backwards compatibility, PSOne classics being multi-buy; the sky would be the limit if Sony had that extra push. Though you never know; Sony really stuffed up the start of the last gen and yet made up massive ground; I'd hope MS can do something similar as we move towards the middle of these consoles' life cycles. And don't forget the NX, hopefully it takes its fair share of the pie. As honestly a tight race is good for the gamer.
I already made it clear that some decisions made by MS in the past weren't sound; they had to back pedal and some people paid the ultimate price for that with some reshuffles at the top. However since Phil came to the helm, they've moved forward well. He's a likable guy; even Colin Moriarty and Greg Miller are often full of praise for him, and they're arguably the biggest PS fanboys in the industry, they had a panel at PSX for christ sake. The DRM stuff was laughable. The idea of having to have a Kinect put me off the system tbh, it wasn't until they announced they would offer the option of having a system without it that I personally decided I'd eventually pick one up. Making a mistake is one thing but admitting that mistakes and changing things is another. The past matters little, the future is what counts.
I think there's no smoke without fire; the Silent Hills coming to XONE rumor was such a bizarre one, that it seemed too crazy for even the craziest person to make up, so I had my suspicions. So when Adam Kovic was recently a guest on Kinda Funny and told them that there's whispers that Kojima has signed on with Microsoft for a spiritual successor to the project I wasn't surprised. Let's be honest here; we may paint Kojima as some messiah of the industry who just loves to create content for the gamer. However at the end of the day he is a man; if MS drive a truckload of money up to his front door and request he make them a game, then its doubtful he'd turn them down. It doesn't stop him signing a similar deal with Sony for a stealth game as a successor to MGS perhaps. Look at Inafune, he's whoring himself out, attaching himself to every project possible. He's making that cash, cash money. Fair play to him; I say Kojima get out there and make yourself your fortune. His name is gold-dust in the industry atm. If I was Nintendo, MS and Sony; I'd get his name attached to an exclusive for each system; suddenly a lot more people would want to have one of each console. I can picture it now; Kojima sitting in an ivory tower with Phil, Reggie and Shuhei laughing at all us pitiful gamers clamoring for their systems :D Thats the reality; one can't paint Microsoft as some evil dark lord and Sony as a white night; we're all just pawns to each of them, they want our money first and foremost. Its a business.
Again I say it; the more consoles, the merrier.
PS3 hardware failure rates peaked at about 10%. Xbox 360 peaked at over 50%. Huge, huge difference.
The only reason Phil Spencer was forthcoming about the exclusive period for Rise of Tomb Raider is because the announcement generated a huge shitstorm and backfired in Microsoft's face. They believed the exclusive would be a coup, but instead they suffered the wrath of disgruntled fanboys.
Halo 5 and Black Friday/holiday months are the only ones Microsoft have won. Titanfall was expected to be a huge bump for them and everyone was surprised when it failed to catapult MS to the top that month. Sony's price drop this year and subsequent holiday sales that put them on even ground with Microsoft has stopped them dead in their tracks.
I don't think Sony is a white knight. They like Microsoft are a global corporation and the end goal is to make money and lots of it. But even at Sony's most arrogant when they still let Ken Kutaragi run his pie hole, they never acted like Don Mattrick and Microsoft who basically told gamers if they don't like it, then suck their balls. Microsoft's "admitting mistakes" isn't coming from a change of heart. It's because they reaped their just deserts for trying to screw the consumer over. Given the opportunity, Microsoft would absolutely try to pull their nonsense again.
As for Forza and DriveClub, the launch of DriveClub was a disaster. But Sony has consistently added updates, free content and more and continues to improve the game. There may be about $20 of DLC for DriveClub. It's the first game in perhaps a series or it may never receive a sequel. Forza on the other hand is in it's sixth iteration. They have scaled back the number of cars and tracks to sell them for ludicrous prices at a later time. They are even so "generous" that they offer an overpriced season pass. Even if you bought DriveClub at launch for $60 and bought the $20 in DLC, that's $80. How much would it cost to get everything for Forza? $150? $200? While Sony has continued to support DriveClub, Microsoft just said a big FU and released yet another Forza game in less than two years, not to mention that Forza Horizon "every other year" nonsense.
The fact is that all the shittiest policies and bullcrap that we have to deal with in gaming now stemmed from Microsoft and EA. Small wonder that they work together so much and have that EA Access crap. And aside from what I listed as my disdain for Microsoft, they really don't have much in the way of games that I care for. Certainly not enough to buy their console. For all their "contributions" to gaming, Microsoft can kiss my gouch.
Yes well that's your choice; however what about your fellow gamers? What about people like me who some of their fondest memories in gaming came when they played Gears of War religiously? I get the impression you'll laugh maniacally if Microsoft was to pull out of the race. However would you spare a thought for those who would be sad to see them go?
I honestly thought the last generation was the best. You had three distinct consoles. The Xbox 360 was the 'multiplayer e-sports console'. The Wii was 'the family console'. And the PS3 was the 'proud vessel of the Japanese'. I had my 360 for playing shooters, my PS3 for playing JRPGs and my Wii for having some fun with my family. I'd like to think there was something for everyone; and if I was supreme leader of the universe :P That would be the situation forever more.
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Yes well that's your choice; however what about your fellow gamers? What about people like me who some of their fondest memories in gaming came when they played Gears of War religiously? I get the impression you'll laugh maniacally if Microsoft was to pull out of the race. However would you spare a thought for those who would be sad to see them go?
I honestly thought the last generation was the best. You had three distinct consoles. The Xbox 360 was the 'multiplayer e-sports console'. The Wii was 'the family console'. And the PS3 was the 'proud vessel of the Japanese'. I had my 360 for playing shooters, my PS3 for playing JRPGs and my Wii for having some fun with my family. I'd like to think there was something for everyone; and if I was supreme leader of the universe :P That would be the situation forever more.
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I'm not poo-pooing your enjoyment of your 360. I owned both an original Xbox from shortly after it's launch and the same for the Xbox 360. I enjoyed a helluva lot of Halo, Fable, Forza, Gears and others that were only on Xbox. Microsoft is the one who decided to continue to implement crap policies. They got caught at it like a kid with their hand in the cookie jar or a cheating spouse out getting some nookie on the side. And just the same, I guarantee they will try it again. I have zero use for them and will continue to enjoy gaming as long as Sony and Nintendo are around.