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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: dreama1 on May 12, 2016, 05:31:12 pm
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Does anyone find the PS3, and xbox 360 boring now? Apart from the JRPGS/RPGS. Like you play these games once and never touch them again or return? Replay value basically.
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more or less but the major difference is that back before then (ps2 and back) I had to rely on my parents to buy games for me. meaning I had a very small amount, ~20 at any given time, so if I wanted to play a game chances were great that I was replaying something. now-a-days I can purchase my own games and as such always have a new never before played by me game just waiting for me to beat the game im on. out of nostalgia I will play games that I played in my youth again and only the best of the best games multiple times.
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To me games haven't changed since 2005; other than visuals of course.
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Geometry Wars was pretty fun. And I remember being really into the indie games of Xbox Live when it first got started.
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Geometry Wars was pretty fun. And I remember being really into the indie games of Xbox Live when it first got started.
Oh yeah, agreed. The indie game "Lights End" was really great. If you liked chrono trigger/final fantasy you would enjoy it.
But now that you mention it the sad thing is I probably spent most time playing indie/arcade games outside a few other big titles.
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To me games haven't changed since 2005; other than visuals of course.
Hmm.. yeah that's interesting observation. I think you're right, or at the very least its slowed to a crawl since that year. I think I would take it futher than most i'd say 2008-2009 was a peak year and its been in decline since that year. The audience growing of course but the flooring and foundation below them crumbling and falling apart.
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The biggest achievement since then has been larger open environments. That's being aided by newer platforms have more RAM.
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Not at all for me, some of my favorite games have come from the generation.
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Does anyone find the PS3, and xbox 360 boring now? Apart from the JRPGS/RPGS. Like you play these games once and never touch them again or return? Replay value basically.
Not at all - at least for me. Then again I never cared for any big-budget video game series for this generation, I really appreciate XBLA HD re-releases of arcade classics. Especially SNK Playmore, Capcom and Sega titles that have an active online-community. Hopefully a substantial PS4 price will drop around the time The King of Fighter XIV is released this year *fingers crossed*.
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I always thought the PS3 was abit boring, especially when I had a 360, but since I sold off my PS3, and my 360 I put back into its box, I haven't felt a big need to bring it back out, other than to play some Guitar Hero. There are good games I'd go back to play though, especially now that it's been awhile since I played them. Some day I might think about doing so as long as I have a working console and they haven't been brought to PC or remastered on something else.
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For me PS3 is a good console, but I understand what you're trying to say. I think replay value is an issue not only on the consoles, but with most AAA games. Normally you just go from beginning to end without any side-quest or things to collect, and when there’s this stuff it’s boring or not useful.
The same goes for gameplay+ and trophies. They are there just for the sake to say the developers putted than there. That’s way nowadays I more into indie games, or at last one of the factors.
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Nope, still love my ps3, 360? Was nver really a xbox fan, i just have it for the exclusives.
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I've always been a casual gamer, till the PS3 launched. Then I just became obsessed with the hardware and little by little, the games became more and more interesting to me. Now I consider myself a serious collector/gamer and I can say I put more time into ps3 games than any other consoles before and after. Sure it pissed me off that it took almost 6 years till multi platforms start looking decent but I never gave up loving the system. Also maybe the fact that it was the first console that I bought with my money has to do something with it. I am trying to get all the console variation ever released to public all over the world, and will always consider it as the centre piece of my collection.
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90% of the time my PS3 serves as a bluray player. I've only got a handful of games for it but the ones I have I enjoy. Portal 2 and Need for Speed Hot Pursuit are two of my favorite games of the last 5 or 6 years. Never owned a 360, not a big fan of paperweights.
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I don't have a 360 anymore, but I don't find the PS3 boring in the slightest. It's a great system that I continue to play and plan to continue to play. Since I enjoy trophy hunting, there are still a few games on there that I want to platinum.
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90% of the time my PS3 serves as a bluray player.
This is me too. I bought the PS3 because it was the cheapest BD player on the market and upscales DVDs. I did do a fair bit of gaming on it originally, but the entire update process really turned me off to it. I hated how I would decide to play a game, or buy a new one, and not be able to play it for a half hour or longer. Eventually I just stopped playing games on it. I haven't logged into PSN in nearly 2 years now and only turn it on to watch movies.
Has this update behaviour been changed with PS4? The only thing I can compare to is Steam, which seems to update installed games on its own. Even if I go a long period of time between playing something from Steam, it never says I have to wait while it updates the game first.
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To me games haven't changed since 2005; other than visuals of course.
Got the same feeling I guess that am to fucking old and the fact that am always saying that better graphics/sound not necessarily means that makes a better game, I do play games from the 360 but playing a game that punish me every time that I made a mistake (Metal Storm / Bucky o' Hare) and that really put a challenge on it's a lot better than one that practically gave you a save point every 5 minutes.
Haven't purchased a PS3 and it seems that I will never gonna purchase one ;D
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Here's my 2 cents.
Games don't have as much replay value as they used to because they require a big time investment. Shorter games don't require that.
I'm into a lot of these indie games these days. I wish they weren't all download only, but I'll take it how I can get it.
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I spent a lot of time gaming on both the PS3 and 360 and find them both far from boring, the PS3 more so. There were "experiences" on these two consoles that I would have missed out on had I not owned them. Game like Bioshock, Uncharted and Borderlands have stuck with me as some of my favorite games. Multiplayer came into it's own on these two consoles (I know online was available before, but these two systems really took it mainstream) and for me, there is an undeniable, huge amount of fun I've had with this. Playing Halo Reach online with my friends was a blast and teabagging noobs has left a permanent warm spot in my heart.
I could go on and on about all the great games I played, the fun multiplayer sessions that kept me up past my bedtime and the incredible stories I experienced.
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I actually really enjoyed the Kinect when I used it, and I played a *LOT* of Rock Band on my 360. That and Catherine were the big reasons why I picked up a 360 of my own after my roommates left and took theirs.
Oh, that and games like Castle Crashers.
I didn't start collecting for PS3 until near the end of its life, and I never had a way to play any of them until about 2 years ago. (Still haven't really played anything on it actually, now that I think of it.
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They have such massive libraries, you've got to be able to find some games you really enjoy. The 360 has to be close to rivaling PS2's library in size.
FPS and sports games may be the majority focus of the system, but there's still plenty of old-school stuff, RPGs, platformers, indie-games, arcadey games, and even a decent shoot-em up scene.
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I'd have to disagree.
The Xbox 360 has a pretty decent variety of niche stuff and indie titles, some of which is region free. The PS3 also has a pretty strong import library that includes physical releases of stuff that we only got digitally here. I could see the point being somewhat true for AAA games; it just depends where you look.
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I spent a lot of time gaming on both the PS3 and 360 and find them both far from boring, the PS3 more so. There were "experiences" on these two consoles that I would have missed out on had I not owned them. Game like Bioshock, Uncharted and Borderlands have stuck with me as some of my favorite games. Multiplayer came into it's own on these two consoles (I know online was available before, but these two systems really took it mainstream) and for me, there is an undeniable, huge amount of fun I've had with this. Playing Halo Reach online with my friends was a blast and teabagging noobs has left a permanent warm spot in my heart.
I could go on and on about all the great games I played, the fun multiplayer sessions that kept me up past my bedtime and the incredible stories I experienced.
Yeah dude, I think we all did back then, but we're talking about right now. Most of those games; the online communities are dead now, or no longer supported; or close to death. Bioshock, Uncharted, and borderlands were great games I beat them a couple of times, but would I play them again today? God no. And the bombardment of sequels makes me want to presume it's to rectify, because of the lose of interest fast. Oversimplification of course for why so many sequels instead of new franchises, but this is off subject.
Off topic but I swear they've aged poorly games of the previous generation, and it's not purely a graphical standpoint. A part from skyrim,oblivion, fallout.
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Both systems have very little interest to me the games **** in my opinion. Not a big fan of realistic games wich is the trademark for both systems.
I barely even try collecting for these systems. Few titles such as journey peek my interest but overall pretty ****.
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I've been a gamer all my life and Xbox 360 is what got me back into online gaming. It's where my current clan formed and moved to the Xbox One. It's probably the system I have the most games for (if I could digital games too). I catch myself playing it at least a couple hours a night (probably helps its in my bedroom). I can't say I ever been bored with this system and if I do I just go buy a new game I haven't tried yet. The market for these are super cheap and I've probably owned about 5 systems (thanks to red ring of death).
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I don't think either system is boring: They both have some really great games and a lot of replayability. I wouldn't mind going back and restarting a game of Skyrim or Bioshock Infinite, for example. I actually think the further back you go the less you want to replay a game again because there isn't much more for you to do after you beat it.
For me, the only games I pick up and replay consistently are portable games, because they're easy to just pick up and play for a couple of minutes.
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I really like that generation of games. It always felt like they were for 3D what the Super Nintendo and Genesis were for 2D. The tech and programming was there to do it right. And there were tons of great games. The 360 is one of my favorite systems.
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Yeah dude, I think we all did back then, but we're talking about right now. Most of those games; the online communities are dead now, or no longer supported; or close to death. Bioshock, Uncharted, and borderlands were great games I beat them a couple of times, but would I play them again today? God no. And the bombardment of sequels makes me want to presume it's to rectify, because of the lose of interest fast. Oversimplification of course for why so many sequels instead of new franchises, but this is off subject.
Off topic but I swear they've aged poorly games of the previous generation, and it's not purely a graphical standpoint. A part from skyrim,oblivion, fallout.
So you find the PS3/360 boring because the online communities dried up? I don't find my older consoles boring because new games are no longer released for them which is a fairly similar circumstance.
As for the games themselves "standing the test of time" there are still a great many games from the last generation that I enjoy today. If I still had a Microsoft machine, I would fire Halo up. I still love playing the Uncharted and God of War games. I still love playing the first two Deadspace games. Skyrim. Fallout 3. Bioshock. These games haven't become dull to me. They are still as much fun today as they were when they first were released.
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Zee truth be told I only got my PS3 about a year ago. Played maybe one game on it. Had a 360 since way back, didn't play it very much either. Modern games are hard for me to really get into. I seriously can't even follow most of them, maybe it's brain fog, maybe it's anxiety. I just don't enjoy the experience of trying to figure out how to actually play a modern game, which takes time in itself, and trying to keep up with a cinematic story-line and scripted real time events that I don't care about. Most mainstream games stopped being simple enough for me to enjoy after 6th gen. It's like so many 7th gen games wanted to be epic movies instead of games. Just didn't really dig that.
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I believe that the reason for this, is because a lot of us who grew up on Atari etc. were playing games made for the arcade, which were for the MOST part specifically made to screw you of your money.
Thus the console games we played required more replay value to get around artificially cheap gameplay. Things like Q*bert, Ninja Giden River Raid, Mortal Kombat.
Now they try to hook you to a game for an extended length of time. Or if they can't do that, they use MP as the replay value asset.
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I think 360 and PS3 are in the purgatory that every previous gen console gets stuck in. It isn't nostalgic yet and it isn't new and flashy. Not enough time has passed to make us miss It but In 10 years it will be nostalgic and collectible and we will love it again. But right now its all about PS4 and One. Which are pretty much 360 and PS3 with better graphics in all honesty. And it doesn't help that One and PS4 are rereleasing a lot of the gems from last gen on the next gen consoles. It limits are reasons to go back.
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I think 360 and PS3 are in the purgatory that every previous gen console gets stuck in. It isn't nostalgic yet and it isn't new and flashy. Not enough time has passed to make us miss It but In 10 years it will be nostalgic and collectible and we will love it again. But right now its all about PS4 and One. Which are pretty much 360 and PS3 with better graphics in all honesty. And it doesn't help that One and PS4 are rereleasing a lot of the gems from last gen on the next gen consoles. It limits are reasons to go back.
What about the wii?
Same period, same gen yet way more games that are actually memorable and definitely raising in price big time.
PS3 And xbox 360 overall just inferior games of ps4 etc. Way less memorable unique games. Titles like the last of us or GTA will never be memorable on those inferior systems and games like journey or certain rpg's are already rising in value. Nothing will chance there aren't to many interesting titles out there anyway for these systems.
Your logic does not make any sense I highly doubt we will see a grow in prices of xbox 360 and ps3 except for the few unique titles and special CE. If it actually was the case than it should have been the same as wii wich it is not.
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I think 360 and PS3 are in the purgatory that every previous gen console gets stuck in. It isn't nostalgic yet and it isn't new and flashy. Not enough time has passed to make us miss It but In 10 years it will be nostalgic and collectible and we will love it again. But right now its all about PS4 and One. Which are pretty much 360 and PS3 with better graphics in all honesty. And it doesn't help that One and PS4 are rereleasing a lot of the gems from last gen on the next gen consoles. It limits are reasons to go back.
What about the wii?
Same period, same gen yet way more games that are actually memorable and definitely raising in price big time.
PS3 And xbox 360 overall just inferior games of ps4 etc. Way less memorable unique games. Titles like the last of us or GTA will never be memorable on those inferior systems and games like journey or certain rpg's are already rising in value. Nothing will chance there aren't to many interesting titles out there anyway for these systems.
Your logic does not make any sense I highly doubt we will see a grow in prices of xbox 360 and ps3 except for the few unique titles and special CE. If it actually was the case than it should have been the same as wii wich it is not.
I somewhat agree. The same way the Xbox and PS2 really aren't rising in value like GameCube, other than some niche games. Wii was my favorite, and I think it'll definitely be the tougher console to track down in the future by a lot, as will the Wii U.
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What about the wii?
Same period, same gen yet way more games that are actually memorable and definitely raising in price big time.
PS3 And xbox 360 overall just inferior games of ps4 etc. Way less memorable unique games. Titles like the last of us or GTA will never be memorable on those inferior systems and games like journey or certain rpg's are already rising in value. Nothing will chance there aren't to many interesting titles out there anyway for these systems.
Your logic does not make any sense I highly doubt we will see a grow in prices of xbox 360 and ps3 except for the few unique titles and special CE. If it actually was the case than it should have been the same as wii wich it is not.
You are all over the place in your reply. LOL. But let's go through it. The reason a few Wii games are rising in value is because they are Nintendo-made games which all rise in value as time passes. This doesn't make them any more "memorable" than PS3 or 360 games. This has been the case with Nintendo titles since the NES.
I would argue that at least on a technical level, pretty much all PS3 and 360 games are superior to Wii games. Wii was a travesty of taking games and shoehorning crappy waggle-wand controls on them. This had the effect of making great games play like shit.
The value of particular games will grow for PS3 and 360 titles, the same as it has for PS1, PS2 and Xbox titles. Don't think so? Go try to find cheap copies of the Star Wars Xbox games. I agree that Nintendo games hold a high value, but that doesn't mean that the library of games on PS3 and 360 are crap. There is a reason why games like Last of Us and LittleBigPlanet have received accolades out the ass: Because they are great games. You can choose not to see it or ignore it, but the proof is in the pudding as they say.
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What about the wii?
Same period, same gen yet way more games that are actually memorable and definitely raising in price big time.
PS3 And xbox 360 overall just inferior games of ps4 etc. Way less memorable unique games. Titles like the last of us or GTA will never be memorable on those inferior systems and games like journey or certain rpg's are already rising in value. Nothing will chance there aren't to many interesting titles out there anyway for these systems.
Your logic does not make any sense I highly doubt we will see a grow in prices of xbox 360 and ps3 except for the few unique titles and special CE. If it actually was the case than it should have been the same as wii wich it is not.
You are all over the place in your reply. LOL. But let's go through it. The reason a few Wii games are rising in value is because they are Nintendo-made games which all rise in value as time passes. This doesn't make them any more "memorable" than PS3 or 360 games. This has been the case with Nintendo titles since the NES.
I would argue that at least on a technical level, pretty much all PS3 and 360 games are superior to Wii games. Wii was a travesty of taking games and shoehorning crappy waggle-wand controls on them. This had the effect of making great games play like shit.
The value of particular games will grow for PS3 and 360 titles, the same as it has for PS1, PS2 and Xbox titles. Don't think so? Go try to find cheap copies of the Star Wars Xbox games. I agree that Nintendo games hold a high value, but that doesn't mean that the library of games on PS3 and 360 are crap. There is a reason why games like Last of Us and LittleBigPlanet have received accolades out the ass: Because they are great games. You can choose not to see it or ignore it, but the proof is in the pudding as they say.
I don't really like realistic games would rather watch a movie than play a game. realistic games are garbage to me. I don't care about value and if I did I would have CE of certain realistic games or certain (crappy rare games) wich are worth quite allot.
Furthermore games like the last of us or GTA and grand tourismo will always be replaced with superior versions of these kind of realistic games. Older versions are inferior and will never be played again. Why would you if there are better versions out there?
Crappy Games like little big planet are just not in the same ballpark lvl as mario or other nintendo franchise games. No offence but I don't like most of the sony mascots they are pretty bad in my opinion.
Nintendo games have inferior grapics but why would you need the same grapics if the games are not realistic. For realistic games excellent grapics are a must but for games like mario stafox etc It isn't a big deal less is needed to make things look smooth.
Sure new mario games come out but the older titles are different that it is worth it to actually play the older games. These days the older titles are even better than the newest titles and they are different. Every mario kart game is different, every smash bros game is different, every mario 3D or 2D game is different wich is the main reason why nintendo games hold their value the games are unique.
Also the controls on the wii worked perfectly fine. The button placement for games like mario galaxy were excellent. The only reason that many complain is because you sometimes have to move the controller while with a normal controller you don't
You can say what you want but in my opinion there are pretty much no real titles that stand out to me and that will not be replaced by a superior version and are actually worth to be played in the future when plenty of better versions come out.
I have to say though that the ps2 has some unique titles wich are awesome but ps3 library on the otherhand is pretty mediocre with the exception of very few titles, especially for me since I don't care about realistic games wich is the specialty of the ps3 and xbox 360.
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I don't really like realistic games would rather watch a movie than play a game. realistic games are garbage to me. I don't care about value and if I did I would have CE of certain realistic games or certain (rare games) wich are worth quite allot.
Furthermore games like the last of us or GTA and grand tourismo will always be replaced with superior versions of these kind of realistic games. Older versions are inferior and will never be played again. Why would you if there are better versions out there?
Crappy Games like little big planet are just not in the same ballpark lvl as mario or other nintendo franchise games. No offence but I don't like most of the sony mascots they are pretty bad in my opinion.
Nintendo games have inferior grapics but why would you need the same grapics if the games are not realistic. For realistic games excellent grapics are a must but for games like mario stafox etc It isn't a big deal less is needed to make things look smooth.
Sure new mario games come out but the older titles are different that it is worth it to actually play the older games. These days the older titles are even better than the newest titles and they are different. Every mario kart game is different, every smash bros game is different, every mario 3D or 2D game is different wich is the main reason why nintendo games hold their value the games are unique.
Also the controls on the wii worked perfectly fine. The button placement for games like mario galaxy were excellent. The only reason that many complain is because you sometimes have to move the controller while with a normal controller you don't
You can say what you want but in my opinion there are pretty much no real titles that stand out to me and that will not be replaced by a superior version and are actually worth to be played in the future when plenty of better versions come out.
I have to say though that the ps2 has some unique titles wich are awesome but ps3 library on the otherhand is pretty mediocre with the exception of very few titles, especially for me since I don't care about realistic games wich is the specialty of the ps3 and xbox 360.
You should preface your post to show it's your opinion, because clearly it is. You call LittleBigPlanet crappy, but most people loved it and it won a ton of awards. The community made millions of levels for it and Mario Maker can't hold LittleBigPlanet's jock in terms of quality and depth of creation.
You say every Mario Kart and Smash Bros. is different and aside from characters and stages, that is categorically false. They are the same damn game over and over with different characters and stages. They play exactly the same. If anything, the games you criticize for being the same like Gran Turismo or Grand Theft Auto change a helluva lot more from each entry than the games you praise. Over 30 years and Mario still runs and jumps on shrooms and the Zelda games are just repeats of every Zelda game that came before. Aside from Adventure of Link, each title in that series is a rehash with a new "Link" character. Where is the progression in that?
I'm not going to say that Nintendo games aren't fun, but you've turned the topic of whether the game libraries are boring into a topic of which games are worth the most. I could just as easily say that Nintendo is sinking deeper and deeper each generation and now, they aren't even trying. But does that have anything to do with the topic? Not really.
I personally don't give two shits if a game is "realistic" or not. It has no bearing on my enjoyment of the game. But the Wii was trash, picked up by casuals and grandma's to play bowling. The library is overwhelmingly made up of shovelware and quite frankly, the "best" games on the system like Mario Galaxy and Zelda sucked...IMO. The world moved on beyond Nintendo back in the mid 90's. I'd take Destiny, LittleBigPlanet, Doom, Gran Turismo or any number of games on PlayStation or Xbox over Nintendo.
If not for PlayStation, we wouldn't have great games like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Silent Hill or Tomb Raider. I've had more fun playing the Uncharted games and the Last of Us than I have ever had on a Nintendo system since the SNES.
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gf78 never used the word "realistic," just "technical." Specs-wise, he's correct. In regard to the games themselves, I think that's all up to the gamer's opinion.
I personally don't care much for most Nintendo franchises, but I really enjoyed LittleBigPlanet. It was good because it offered a lot of creativity, was family friendly, and fostered a good multiplayer and level-building community.
There wasn't a lot of need for the Wii U to have remade versions of Wii games either since it could play games from both generations. I think that was a mistake on the part of Sony and Microsoft - I would've been a lot more open to buying their newer consoles had they had support for last gen. Remastering or remaking games from last gen was a good way to keep those IPs alive and encourage people to move on to the current gen, but also devalues the original titles.
If there's anything to note, the PS3 is doing well still in Japan, so new games are still be released for the PS3 along with the PS4. It's definitely not a boring library for me, but if you're not an RPG fan, it's certainly not for you.
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I personally don't give two shits if a game is "realistic" or not. It has no bearing on my enjoyment of the game. But the Wii was trash, picked up by casuals and grandma's to play bowling. The library is overwhelmingly made up of shovelware and quite frankly, the "best" games on the system like Mario Galaxy and Zelda sucked...IMO. The world moved on beyond Nintendo back in the mid 90's. I'd take Destiny, LittleBigPlanet, Doom, Gran Turismo or any number of games on PlayStation or Xbox over Nintendo.
If not for PlayStation, we wouldn't have great games like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Silent Hill or Tomb Raider. I've had more fun playing the Uncharted games and the Last of Us than I have ever had on a Nintendo system since the SNES.
That's your opinion, Furthermore Realistic or not Games like uncharted etc are not my cup of tea. I'm only mentioning the term realistic since 80% of the enitre library consists of realistic games. The mascots aren't that great allot of unrealistic games on ps3 aren't great either, just my opinion deal with it.
Also not a survival horror game fan, metal gear is nice though the older games that is.
Furthermore I do like my Rpg's but the newer FF games are definitely not for me.
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Furthermore I do like my Rpg's but the newer FF games are definitely not for me.
Yeah, some of the newer FFs are definitely hate/love for people. There's also Kingdom Hearts, the Tales Of games, Ni No Kuni, Star Ocean, Trails of Cold Steel, and a whole bunch of Atelier games.
Persona 5 was slated to be released on both PS3 and PS4, but I'd be surprised if they released it for PS3 in the west when it actually launches.
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That's your opinion, Furthermore Realistic or not Games like uncharted etc are not my cup of tea. I'm only mentioning the term realistic since 80% of the enitre library consists of realistic games. The mascots aren't that great allot of unrealistic games on ps3 aren't great either, just my opinion deal with it.
Also not a survival horror game fan, metal gear is nice though the older games that is.
Furthermore I do like my Rpg's but the newer FF games are definitely not for me.
I said you should preface your opinions as such. Nothing for me to deal with. It's not like your opinions of PS3 games is going to change the years of enjoyment they have given me. It's not like your claim that 80% of the library consists of "realistic" games which is categorically false as well.
Everyone is entitled to feel the way they want. I mean, you think Sega games are great when in reality the vast majority suck and everyone else knows that. But hey, opinions right?
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Yeah, some of the newer FFs are definitely hate/love for people. There's also Kingdom Hearts, the Tales Of games, Ni No Kuni, Star Ocean, Trails of Cold Steel, and a whole bunch of Atelier games.
Persona 5 was slated to be released on both PS3 and PS4, but I'd be surprised if they released it for PS3 in the west when it actually launches.
Hush now! You know damn well that Kingdom Hearts, Tales, Ni No Kuni, Star Ocean, Atelier, etc. are all "realistic" games and you aren't going to change my opinion on that. Deal with it.
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Yeah, some of the newer FFs are definitely hate/love for people. There's also Kingdom Hearts, the Tales Of games, Ni No Kuni, Star Ocean, Trails of Cold Steel, and a whole bunch of Atelier games.
Persona 5 was slated to be released on both PS3 and PS4, but I'd be surprised if they released it for PS3 in the west when it actually launches.
Hush now! You know damn well that Kingdom Hearts, Tales, Ni No Kuni, Star Ocean, Atelier, etc. are all "realistic" games and you aren't going to change my opinion on that. Deal with it.
First thing that came up in my head... ;)
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Where did 80% even come from? That has to be from a random number generator or common core mathematics.
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I think 360 and PS3 are in the purgatory that every previous gen console gets stuck in. It isn't nostalgic yet and it isn't new and flashy. Not enough time has passed to make us miss It but In 10 years it will be nostalgic and collectible and we will love it again. But right now its all about PS4 and One. Which are pretty much 360 and PS3 with better graphics in all honesty. And it doesn't help that One and PS4 are rereleasing a lot of the gems from last gen on the next gen consoles. It limits are reasons to go back.
This about sums it up. I wouldn't call it purgatory, though, I'd call it collector's heaven! Been doing this since the SNES and Genesis went out of popularity and every system since. $5-$10 a pop for a game is the best time to bulk up your collections.
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That's your opinion, Furthermore Realistic or not Games like uncharted etc are not my cup of tea. I'm only mentioning the term realistic since 80% of the enitre library consists of realistic games. The mascots aren't that great allot of unrealistic games on ps3 aren't great either, just my opinion deal with it.
Also not a survival horror game fan, metal gear is nice though the older games that is.
Furthermore I do like my Rpg's but the newer FF games are definitely not for me.
I said you should preface your opinions as such. Nothing for me to deal with. It's not like your opinions of PS3 games is going to change the years of enjoyment they have given me. It's not like your claim that 80% of the library consists of "realistic" games which is categorically false as well.
Everyone is entitled to feel the way they want. I mean, you think Sega games are great when in reality the vast majority suck and everyone else knows that. But hey, opinions right?
Who says that I wanted to chance your opinion, plenty of people love the xbox 360, ps3 etc yet I'm not one of those guys.
It is BTW you who actually responded to my post wich was not even intented to you.
I'm pretty sure it is around 80% not that most of the other games are any good anyways. Like I said realistic games are the tradmark of these consoles only reason why I use the term. Never stated it is exactly 80% just an estimate.
95 - 99% of ps3 games suck in my opinion, ps3 and xbox 360 are the worst consoles ever made. I would not even want to see them games like uncharted on my shelves even if i got them for free. Would litterally toss them in the garbage can that's how much i appreciate most of the ps3 xbox 360 console games.
I like especially older games and I pretty much don't care about current gen very few titles that pick my interest.
Also your statement about rehash and little variety is also pretty false for the mario (kart) and smash games allot of things are different. Also the story line of the zelda game is also plenty different from other games i could give examples but there are far to many to state.
Yet with titles as infamous, the next parts are just slightly better and the older games are far inferior and usually not worth it to play once again unless they messed up the new games. With assasins greed only the best titles with a certain time period will be replayed the others will be forgotten. Especially the first game was forgettable.
Furthermore with all consoles the fast majority sucks however I'm not collector that collects everything I only collect the minority of good titles including for sega. Personally I don't like trash on my shelves, that you collect filler titles is just your way nothing against it ;)
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Where did 80% even come from? That has to be from a random number generator or common core mathematics.
I'm still trying to figure out how a sequel to a game looking and playing better negates the fun of previous entries? Does Final Fantasy XV somehow make my experiences with Final Fantasy VII moot? Should I not enjoy Uncharted Drake's Fortune any longer because A Thief's End is out? It's preposterous.
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Who says that I wanted to chance your opinion, plenty of people love the xbox 360, ps3 etc yet I'm not one of those guys.
It is BTW you who actually responded to my post wich was not even intented to you.
I'm pretty sure it is around 80% not that most of the other games are any good anyways. Like I said realistic games are the tradmark of these consoles only reason why I use the term. Never stated it is exactly 80% just an estimate.
95 - 99% of ps3 games suck in my opinion, ps3 and xbox 360 are the worst consoles ever made. I would not even want to see them games like uncharted on my shelves even if i got them for free. Would litterally toss them in the garbage can that's how much i appreciate most of the ps3 xbox 360 console games.
I like especially older games and I pretty much don't care about current gen very few titles that pick my interest.
Also your statement about rehash and little variety is also pretty false for the mario (kart) and smash games allot of things are different. Also the story line of the zelda game is also plenty different from other games i could give examples but there are far to many to state.
Yet with titles as infamous, the next parts are just slightly better and the older games are far inferior and usually not worth it to play once again unless they messed up the new games. With assasins greed only the best titles with a certain time period will be replayed the others will be forgotten.
What is it with you, your hemorrhoids acting up or something? I'm allowed to reply to posts here. That's the point of the forum. ::)
You are acting like a petulant child. You would throw away PS3 and 360 games if someone gave them to you? Do everyone here a favor before you do that: Let people know what you have and we will pay you to ship them to us. This sounds like the ravings of a rabbid fanboy.
Mario Kart and Smash are pretty much the same game every iteration. They may adjust a tuning option here or add a character there, but they are essentially the same exact game with a fresh coat of paint. I never said the Zelda games didn't play differently, only that the stories are rehashes where there is no evolution to the storyline and instead restarts every time a bit differently.
Your statement "Yet with titles as infamous, the next parts are just slightly better and the older games are far inferior and usually not worth it to play once again..." is absolutely ridiculous and a complete contradiction to your collecting habits and statements. You collect and play games primarily for older systems. So...do you not play older Mario or Smash games? You don't play older Zelda games? As I see it, it's more that you are being a hypocrite and bashing the collective libraries of two of the greatest consoles ever released and saying that once a new game comes out, it's useless to go back and play a previous and crappier entry in a series on them while simultaneously singing the praises of going back and collecting & playing Nintendo and Sega games. By your reasoning, you have never played a 2D Mario game since Mario 64. Right? Because we all know that 2D is inferior to the 3D releases like Galaxy, right? ::)
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Who says that I wanted to chance your opinion, plenty of people love the xbox 360, ps3 etc yet I'm not one of those guys.
It is BTW you who actually responded to my post wich was not even intented to you.
I'm pretty sure it is around 80% not that most of the other games are any good anyways. Like I said realistic games are the tradmark of these consoles only reason why I use the term. Never stated it is exactly 80% just an estimate.
95 - 99% of ps3 games suck in my opinion, ps3 and xbox 360 are the worst consoles ever made. I would not even want to see them games like uncharted on my shelves even if i got them for free. Would litterally toss them in the garbage can that's how much i appreciate most of the ps3 xbox 360 console games.
I like especially older games and I pretty much don't care about current gen very few titles that pick my interest.
Also your statement about rehash and little variety is also pretty false for the mario (kart) and smash games allot of things are different. Also the story line of the zelda game is also plenty different from other games i could give examples but there are far to many to state.
Yet with titles as infamous, the next parts are just slightly better and the older games are far inferior and usually not worth it to play once again unless they messed up the new games. With assasins greed only the best titles with a certain time period will be replayed the others will be forgotten.
What is it with you, your hemorrhoids acting up or something? I'm allowed to reply to posts here. That's the point of the forum. ::)
Your statement "Yet with titles as infamous, the next parts are just slightly better and the older games are far inferior and usually not worth it to play once again..." is absolutely ridiculous and a complete contradiction to your collecting habits and statements. You collect and play games primarily for older systems. So...do you not play older Mario or Smash games? You don't play older Zelda games? As I see it, it's more that you are being a hypocrite and bashing the collective libraries of two of the greatest consoles ever released and saying that once a new game comes out, it's useless to go back and play a previous and crappier entry in a series on them while simultaneously singing the praises of going back and collecting & playing Nintendo and Sega games. By your reasoning, you have never played a 2D Mario game since Mario 64. Right? Because we all know that 2D is inferior to the 3D releases like Galaxy, right? ::)
With slightly better I mean adding a few things here and there. That's aside from the point.
I've played them nes to wii u games. All games are different and fun to play don't give me that crap about slightly better. What I say applies for ps3 and xbox 360 games since the newer parts aren't that much different. Sega and nintendo titles are memorable and the occasional ps2 titles such as ico and shadow of the collosus.
2D and 3D are different, 2D games can be better than 3D games and he other way around.
Also putting mario games aside I do prefer 2D games, I am a sega guy after all, sega sure does have many good 3D games ::)
Furthermore your going way off topic were talking about why ps3 and xbox 360 games have low value and why the wii actually has value. With what I said before being part of that reason.
Wii games aren't rare and yet titles such as mario and pokemon retain there value the only thing I'm saying is that those titles are unique unlike games such as infamous 1 and 2 the 2nd one being superior and the first one forgotten since the games don't have to much of a variety except for the story. If a next one will be made It;s all about the newest game older games will be forgotten.
Has nothing to do with my opinion.
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Sworddude, some of those statements above would actually seem reasonable if it was just about your opinion, but you instead act like its the ultimate truth.
It's ridiculously biased to say that the ps3 and the xbox 360 are the worst consoles ever and that 95% of the library is horrible garbage and then put Nintendo up on a pedestal by saying that their games are always unique.
That has become increasingly harder to believe if you look at the main series output of stuff like Mario, Paper Mario, Star Fox, etc. and interviews with those developers show that the big N is gonna require a lot of work to change because of the rigidity of many in the company.
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With slightly better I mean adding a few things here and there. That's aside from the point.
I've played them nes to wii u games. All games are different and fun to play don't give me that crap about slightly better. What I say applies for ps3 and xbox 360 games since the newer parts aren't that much different. Sega and nintendo titles are memorable and the occasional ps2 titles such as ico and shadow of the collosus.
2D and 3D are different, 2D games can be better than 3D games and he other way around.
Also putting mario games aside I do prefer 2D games, I am a sega guy after all, sega sure does have many good 3D games ::)
Furthermore your going way off topic were talking about why ps3 and xbox 360 games have low value and why the wii actually has value. With what I said before being part of that reason.
Wii games aren't rare and yet titles such as mario and pokemon retain there value the only thing I'm saying is that those titles are unique unlike games such as infamous 1 and 2 the 2nd one being superior and the first one forgotten since the games don't have to much of a variety except for the story. If a next one will be made It;s all about the newest game older games will be forgotten.
Has nothing to do with my opinion.
You are dismissing the entire library of PS3 and 360 games based on the assumption that the sequels are "slightly better by adding a few things here or there." That is exactly what Nintendo games do! They are the same formula, they just add a Tanooki suit or whatever for the next game.
You sit there and sit all NES to Wii games are different and fun to play, yet can't manage to see how someone could enjoy Infamous 1 and Infamous 2, finding things they like about each that wouldn't negate the previous entry. Have you played Infamous 1 or 2? Both? If you had, you would know that the first game is usually considered better than the second. But you are just pulling an argument out of your ass to bash a system you don't like. Wanna deny it? Go back to your statement about if someone gave you PS3 games, you wouldn't want them in your library and would throw them out. You said that.
It's been a fact all the way back from the NES on that Nintendo-made titles are considered valuable. Much of that is a more modern trend where resellers are buying up anything made by Nintendo and jacking the prices up. This wasn't even true five years ago. You could buy Super Smash Bros. Melee or Zelda Wind Waker for Wii for $5 a pop. We have this artificial speculator's boom going on, inflating the prices beyond what most people would even pay for the games and suckering in fans who may have missed out before because we live in a society of "I gotta have it! I gottta have it now!" folks who will blow their money no matter what.
In addition, Nintendo doesn't release Best of or Greatest Hits games very much anymore and when they do, they are in limited quantities. Sony and Microsoft on the other hand have no problem releasing Greatest Hits, Platinum Hits or compilations. Sony has released entire series in "Collections" for some time now. If you just want to play the game and not collect it, would you spend $80 to buy the PS2 Ratchet & Clank games or just pick up the PS3 Collection for $20? I will also use this opportunity to say that the Ratchet & Clank games have more heart, charm & fun factor than any 3D Mario entry.
The story is precisely why people love these series that you bash. But I guess playing "Boop-boop-be-boop!" Sega classics and old Mario games where every damn time Bowser kidnapped the princess is more thrilling than good gameplay and an engaging story to you? Ok.
And if you want to talk about value, where is the value in Sega games? You can buy a Sega console these days with every damn game they made already built-in for fifty bucks. True classics. ::)
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With slightly better I mean adding a few things here and there. That's aside from the point.
I've played them nes to wii u games. All games are different and fun to play don't give me that crap about slightly better. What I say applies for ps3 and xbox 360 games since the newer parts aren't that much different. Sega and nintendo titles are memorable and the occasional ps2 titles such as ico and shadow of the collosus.
2D and 3D are different, 2D games can be better than 3D games and he other way around.
Also putting mario games aside I do prefer 2D games, I am a sega guy after all, sega sure does have many good 3D games ::)
Furthermore your going way off topic were talking about why ps3 and xbox 360 games have low value and why the wii actually has value. With what I said before being part of that reason.
Wii games aren't rare and yet titles such as mario and pokemon retain there value the only thing I'm saying is that those titles are unique unlike games such as infamous 1 and 2 the 2nd one being superior and the first one forgotten since the games don't have to much of a variety except for the story. If a next one will be made It;s all about the newest game older games will be forgotten.
Has nothing to do with my opinion.
You are dismissing the entire library of PS3 and 360 games based on the assumption that the sequels are "slightly better by adding a few things here or there." That is exactly what Nintendo games do! They are the same formula, they just add a Tanooki suit or whatever for the next game.
You sit there and sit all NES to Wii games are different and fun to play, yet can't manage to see how someone could enjoy Infamous 1 and Infamous 2, finding things they like about each that wouldn't negate the previous entry. Have you played Infamous 1 or 2? Both? If you had, you would know that the first game is usually considered better than the second. But you are just pulling an argument out of your ass to bash a system you don't like. Wanna deny it? Go back to your statement about if someone gave you PS3 games, you wouldn't want them in your library and would throw them out. You said that.
It's been a fact all the way back from the NES on that Nintendo-made titles are considered valuable. Much of that is a more modern trend where resellers are buying up anything made by Nintendo and jacking the prices up. This wasn't even true five years ago. You could buy Super Smash Bros. Melee or Zelda Wind Waker for Wii for $5 a pop. We have this artificial speculator's boom going on, inflating the prices beyond what most people would even pay for the games and suckering in fans who may have missed out before because we live in a society of "I gotta have it! I gottta have it now!" folks who will blow their money no matter what.
In addition, Nintendo doesn't release Best of or Greatest Hits games very much anymore and when they do, they are in limited quantities. Sony and Microsoft on the other hand have no problem releasing Greatest Hits, Platinum Hits or compilations. Sony has released entire series in "Collections" for some time now. If you just want to play the game and not collect it, would you spend $80 to buy the PS2 Ratchet & Clank games or just pick up the PS3 Collection for $20? I will also use this opportunity to say that the Ratchet & Clank games have more heart, charm & fun factor than any 3D Mario entry.
The story is precisely why people love these series that you bash. But I guess playing "Boop-boop-be-boop!" Sega classics and old Mario games where every damn time Bowser kidnapped the princess is more thrilling than good gameplay and an engaging story to you? Ok.
And if you want to talk about value, where is the value in Sega games? You can buy a Sega console these days with every damn game they made already built-in for fifty bucks. True classics. ::)
yes I have actually played games like red dead redemtion, infamous, uncharted and assasins greed I don't like them games deal with it. Didn't care about the story and if the 2nd part of infamous was better or worse than the first one. Plenty of friends have these games so yes again I actually played them games so there is a reason why I find them so bad. Would rather do something else with my free time.
Go back to your statement about if someone gave you PS3 games, you wouldn't want them in your library and would throw them out. You said that.
I'm not lying I would actually do that believe it. I really don't care about pretty much all of the ps3 library. it's my opinion not a fanboy just zero interest in those games. It's not only for ps3 and xbox 360 games I just don't like to have trash on my shelves.
Again opinions you like mascots such as ratchet and clank while I find them mediocre. The only playstation mascots that are excellent in my eyes are snake and cloud wich both aren't even mascots pretty much a shame.
Also again why talk about value, I also am the kinda guy that get's pretty much all of his games for 5 pop a piece or less even the more expensive older titles in the modern days where these are overpriced.
@Maximo
Again It's my opinion and I do find them to be the worst consoles to be made nothing biased about if It's my opinion
Many people like these systems, seriously why care if one person does not like the ps3 that much.
Furthermore Your misunderstanding the concept with value for the nintendo titles being unique that had nothing to do with ps3 etc being the worst console. That part was about why wii games had value and ps3 and xbox 360 overall not that much.
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Well, to get back on-topic, sworddude finds last gen to be boring while gf78 does not.
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Cool beans; good talk, folks :)
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Well, to get back on-topic, sworddude finds last gen to be boring while gf78 does not.
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Cool beans; good talk, folks :)
Yeah. I think it's over.
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I think 360 and PS3 are in the purgatory that every previous gen console gets stuck in. It isn't nostalgic yet and it isn't new and flashy. Not enough time has passed to make us miss It but In 10 years it will be nostalgic and collectible and we will love it again. But right now its all about PS4 and One. Which are pretty much 360 and PS3 with better graphics in all honesty. And it doesn't help that One and PS4 are rereleasing a lot of the gems from last gen on the next gen consoles. It limits are reasons to go back.
What about the wii?
Same period, same gen yet way more games that are actually memorable and definitely raising in price big time.
PS3 And xbox 360 overall just inferior games of ps4 etc. Way less memorable unique games. Titles like the last of us or GTA will never be memorable on those inferior systems and games like journey or certain rpg's are already rising in value. Nothing will chance there aren't to many interesting titles out there anyway for these systems.
Your logic does not make any sense I highly doubt we will see a grow in prices of xbox 360 and ps3 except for the few unique titles and special CE. If it actually was the case than it should have been the same as wii wich it is not.
I somewhat agree. The same way the Xbox and PS2 really aren't rising in value like GameCube, other than some niche games. Wii was my favorite, and I think it'll definitely be the tougher console to track down in the future by a lot, as will the Wii U.
I have to agree as well. The ps2 game market is rather stone cold at the moment to be fair compared to the gamecube in general, a part from the horror and jrpg games of course. I think that much is clear.
Do you guys remember some months ago; some no name user on here with zero posts was trying to sell ps2 game discs that he had stored from blockbusters or something? Don't think he was able to sell a single one. I'm guessing they still cover his house. I think he would of done better for himself if he grabbed game cube discs, or just gave them to gf78 instead. The reasons for grabbing gamecube discs in that guys position as opposed to the other systems have already been stated as @sworddude said.
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I think 360 and PS3 are in the purgatory that every previous gen console gets stuck in. It isn't nostalgic yet and it isn't new and flashy. Not enough time has passed to make us miss It but In 10 years it will be nostalgic and collectible and we will love it again. But right now its all about PS4 and One. Which are pretty much 360 and PS3 with better graphics in all honesty. And it doesn't help that One and PS4 are rereleasing a lot of the gems from last gen on the next gen consoles. It limits are reasons to go back.
What about the wii?
Same period, same gen yet way more games that are actually memorable and definitely raising in price big time.
PS3 And xbox 360 overall just inferior games of ps4 etc. Way less memorable unique games. Titles like the last of us or GTA will never be memorable on those inferior systems and games like journey or certain rpg's are already rising in value. Nothing will chance there aren't to many interesting titles out there anyway for these systems.
Your logic does not make any sense I highly doubt we will see a grow in prices of xbox 360 and ps3 except for the few unique titles and special CE. If it actually was the case than it should have been the same as wii wich it is not.
I somewhat agree. The same way the Xbox and PS2 really aren't rising in value like GameCube, other than some niche games. Wii was my favorite, and I think it'll definitely be the tougher console to track down in the future by a lot, as will the Wii U.
I have to agree as well. The ps2 game market is rather stone cold at the moment to be fair compared to the gamecube in general, a part from the horror and jrpg games of course. I think that much is clear.
Do you guys remember some months ago; some no name user on here with zero posts was trying to sell ps2 game discs that he had stored from blockbusters or something? Don't think he was able to sell a single one. I'm guessing they still cover his house. I think he would of done better for himself I he grabbed game cube discs instead. The reasons have already been stated as sworddude said.
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Well, to get back on-topic, sworddude finds last gen to be boring while gf78 does not.
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Yeah. I think it's over
I checked your games gf78, you seem heavily invested in the ps2 and ps3, and nothing else really to be fair. Not trying to be mean or anything but I think you were projecting on him a little calling him a fanboy, and bias, and whatever else. His collection seems well balanced. It's not focused on playstation only. Just saying before you throw blows at anyone and cry fanboy on someone. You should consider you own exposition.
I think you bet on the wrong horse by any leap of the imagination if you gambled everything on sony games only, if you were offended when game value was brought into the equation. But it's certainly an interesting one and It seems off topic mentioning game price/value but not totally. It seems to overlap a little.
I think what he was trying to lead onto is that it goes hand in hand game quality/value from Nintendo"in general"with "exceptions" like everything else in the known universe. "exceptions to the rule" but it doesn't make it invalid. And they're also the last real game company if you like it or not.
Also maybe you should be reminded despite Nintendo's failings right now. They're brought out the "most" and "best" exclusives of this generation at 1080p 60fps, and touched upon concepts that not even Microsoft or sony would dare touch even with the funding of gods behind them. Their games are holding value.
Low demand = Lack of interest /boring/was fun but no one cares about anymore - disposable entertainment/sports/shovel ware/Not art
High demand = High quality /classic/considered art/timeless game play, and replay value/
This seems to be the formula. There's one more part to it but I'm to lazy bring in quantity vs quality, and more complicated. but it
is why you can have great games at a low price or bad games at a high price in some cases. But it seems like abnormalities.
And more often than not.
You also seemed keen to mention you can emulate all sega genesis/megadrive games for about 50 dollars. Fair enough. Yet still the value continues to rise.
While sadly on the other hand the fact is most of the PS2 generation of games and beyond are worth less than Ugandan toilet paper, and less by each passing day as opposed to the Sega or Nintendo "as a whole". It's just the truth. For why that is is open to debate.
And to be fair you wanted to bring up uncharted? It's nothing but a glorified tomb raider with a gears of war cover system thrown in and that's not my words it was exactly the sentiment and what people were saying back in 2007/2008. And it was true enough.
Half of its success was probably the lack of good tomb raider game since the ps2 games. Through for me the comments made weren't so harsh the games ranged from okay to good. But the uncharted games would of made far far better movies than games, sorry.
From memory the game consisted of a monkey climbing sequence, a shooting sequence, a puzzle sequence, then a cut scene sequence in a loop. If I wanted to be really cold I could say that makes it shit, but no to me it makes it good for one play-through at the most. Disposable. Then never touching the game again. He said he rather dump it, than let it sit on his shelf and collect dust. Probably because the game is almost unsalable, common and most of all the demand is low. That's why dumping it seemed like a viable option rather than just hoarding junk with no replay value, nor will it ever more than likely.
They lack any imagination to create anything above average. (Bloodborne seemed to be the only killer app.) As he said why the hell play/watch a ultra realistic corridor shooter cinematic game when you could just watch a movie instead? These games are more like movies than games? But thats just my opinion if someone enjoys that, but it seems distant from the core beliefs of what gaming was. It should of existed but it should have never been dominated by this genre today, and exterminate other genres off the face of the map. I don't know what else to say about it. Other than it's a elephant in the room, but Nintendo seemed to have somewhat stuck to the core beliefs. As for game uncharted just like many others is just like a movie, the movie is fun once maybe twice then its over. It's not crafted or designed to by anything more than that. It's price and value reflects that in the passing of time.
I rather have game with the best game play on the planet that's fun than the most realistic game on the planet.
Last note.
"If not for PlayStation, we wouldn't have great games like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Silent Hill or Tomb Raider."
Not true really. Tomb raider started out on the sega saturn, and resident evil was planned first on the sega saturn. but the original build was cancelled from international jewry from sony probably or whatever lol. And silent hill? Well.. True but I don't want to open up any old wounds or anything from those still moaning but we don't have the franchise anymore. It could of easily ended up on saturn if things played out slightly different anyway.
The rant is over kind regards gf78
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"If not for PlayStation, we wouldn't have great games like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Silent Hill or Tomb Raider."
Not true really. Tomb raider started out on the sega saturn, and resident evil was planned first on the sega saturn. but the original build was cancelled from international jewry from sony probably or whatever lol. And silent hill? Well.. True but I don't want to open up any old wounds or anything from those still moaning but we don't have the franchise anymore. It could of easily ended up on saturn if things played out slightly different anyway.
The Wiki entry for Tomb Raider seems to back up what you're saying but the Resident Evil/Biohazard claim doesn't seem to check out. You make it sound like Sony waived some $$$ at Capcom but the more likely scenario is the PS1 was/is better at handling 3D graphics than the Saturn and by default was the premier console of choice to put their killer app on. Don't misinterpret that as Sony fanboyism, I prefer my Saturn 11 times out of 10 over my PS1 but I always did feel that 3D games looked inferior on that system.
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"If not for PlayStation, we wouldn't have great games like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Silent Hill or Tomb Raider."
Not true really. Tomb raider started out on the sega saturn, and resident evil was planned first on the sega saturn. but the original build was cancelled from international jewry from sony probably or whatever lol. And silent hill? Well.. True but I don't want to open up any old wounds or anything from those still moaning but we don't have the franchise anymore. It could of easily ended up on saturn if things played out slightly different anyway.
The Wiki entry for Tomb Raider seems to back up what you're saying but the Resident Evil/Biohazard claim doesn't seem to check out. You make it sound like Sony waived some $$$ at Capcom but the more likely scenario is the PS1 was/is better at handling 3D graphics than the Saturn and by default was the premier console of choice to put their killer app on. Don't misinterpret that as Sony fanboyism, I prefer my Saturn 11 times out of 10 over my PS1 but I always did feel that 3D games looked inferior on that system.
Resident evil was delayed on saturn but the superior version probably it had more content as well. It's worth mentioning resident evil 2 was in the works by the war years already at 1997/1998 It was cancelled with many other titles.
The 3D debate is also highly controversial. And i'm not a expert to talk about it but the 3D wasn't always superior. The Saturns potential was only just starting to be unlocked when they pulled the plug. I don't believe it hit it's limits. Panzer dragoon saga for example is one of the only games to use all 3 processors? Check out the games by lobotomy those 3d games are superior on Saturn anyway.
This guy seems to explain it quite well maybe you'll find value.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_OchOV_WDg
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Resident evil was delayed on saturn but the superior version probably it had more content as well. It's worth mentioning resident evil 2 was in the works by the war years already at 1997/1998 It was cancelled with many other titles.
This is from the RE Wiki article:
"Almost all development was done on Silicon Graphics hardware using the software program Soft Image. The PlayStation was chosen as the lead platform because the development team felt it was the most appropriate for the game in terms of things such as the amount of polygons."
There's a footnote that cites an article from an issue of EGM where they apparently interviewed the development team.
The 3D debate is also highly controversial. And i'm not a expert to talk about it but the 3D wasn't always superior. The Saturn's potential was only just starting to be unlocked when they pulled the plug. I don't believe it hit it's limits. Panzer dragoon saga for example is one of the only games to use all 3 processors? Check out the games by lobotomy those 3d games are superior on Saturn anyway.
This guy seems to explain it quite well maybe you'll find value.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_OchOV_WDg
I watched that whole thing and what he covers makes a lot of sense. It's that "AHA!" moment in that he does a good job explaining the subtle yet important difference between the PS1 and Saturn. That video contains a WEALTH of good information and I thank you for linking it. ;D
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Lord, this topic...
I'm starting to feel like I'm back on GameFAQs.com. The only difference is that I don't have the "Ignore this User" option.
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Zip!
Nah...Sworddud has a history of antagonistic remarks. If my collection leans heavily toward PlayStation there is a reason for that: That is the system(s) that have the games I enjoy the most. How did I bet on the wrong horse if the games I enjoy are Uncharted, Killzone, Bloodborne, etc?
My collecting habits do not revolve around whether I think a game will be valuable in the future or not. I simply buy what I enjoy. This topic wasn't even about value, it was about if people find the games on the PS3 and 360 boring. Sworddude made it about value. Old Nintendo games carry a nostalgia factor and are undeniably valuable for the most part. Big deal. Have you looked at the value of PS1 games? Crash Bandicoot or Spyro? Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest? MediEvil? Jersey Devil? There are numerous valuable PS1 games. Legend of Dragoon? As well, there are many valuable PS2 games. PS3 and 360 games are very inexpensive right now because that generation is being phased out. The same has happened for every console from every generation when they reached their "end of life." You could pick up N64 games brand-new for $5-10 a piece when that system was being phased out. But again, this isn't even about value.
You are using your opinions of what games you consider fun. That's fine and that is what I am doing as well. Because you find the gameplay of Uncharted boring, does that mean it sucks? No, it's just your opinion. Just like it's mine that it's enjoyable.
You defend Sworddude's BS comments that he would throw away games if they were given to him, then spew your own nonsense about PlayStation games not being fun as if it were fact. But if you want to go by sales, facts are that PlayStation consoles consistently stomp a proverbial mudhole in Nintendo's ass. With the exception of the casual Wii which was a fluke, Sony simply obliterates Nintendo. Me? I couldn't care less about it. I just play what I enjoy.
And yeah...if not for PlayStation, these games and genres wouldn't exist. But what would you care anyway because as you stated, you don't care for realistic games. Tomb Raider and Resident Evil may have initially started and even released their first entry on Saturn first, but that was simply because Sega was a known quantity. They had an established brand where PlayStation did not. It didn't take long for developers to see that Sega was going the way of the Dodo with Saturn and all future projects avoided the Saturn altogether. That's just a fact Jack. No matter how much you want to put a spin on history, you can't change the truth no matter how much you bury your head in the sand about it.
Everyone should enjoy playing whatever games or genres they enjoy. It's pretty petty of you and Sworddude to try to tear down others enjoyment with opinions that you try to state as fact.
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I find both libraries to be intriguing and having a lot of worthwhile titles, especially when you start digging and finding the lesser known titles, or titles that had a brief time in the limelight before fading into obscurity. I prefer the PS3 hands down over the 360, especially when it comes to multiplats, but many of the 360 exclusives make the 360 and absolute must to own! I'm on the verge of 200 PS3 games, all quality titles too, which should tell you a lot about how awesome the console is. I still have a good 50 or so games I'd like to hunt down to before I consider that collection done.
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Does anyone find the PS3, and xbox 360 boring now?
No.
End. Of. Thread.
Not sure why every single topic on the board lately stems some sort of crazy ass arguement.
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Does anyone find the PS3, and xbox 360 boring now?
No.
End. Of. Thread.
Not sure why every single topic on the board lately stems some sort of crazy ass arguement.
Oh now soera...didn't you know you have a collection of junk that others would throw out if someone gave the games to them? ::)
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Does anyone find the PS3, and xbox 360 boring now?
No.
End. Of. Thread.
Not sure why every single topic on the board lately stems some sort of crazy ass arguement.
Why? I'll tell you why. It's because some folks never learned the age old adage: "It's Not What You Say, But How You Say It."
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Does anyone find the PS3, and xbox 360 boring now?
No.
End. Of. Thread.
Not sure why every single topic on the board lately stems some sort of crazy ass arguement.
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I'd have to agree with gf78, I don't buy games because they are worth a lot of money or not. I buy them because I want to play the damn things. Yeah I own a few rares games and I don't care. It's in my collection because I want it to be. And the reason why I brought my Xbox 360 at the time was because it's what Wal-mart had at the time and I had a huge coupon. Now I stick with Xbox because my online clan are mostly on Xbox (even though a lot of them are shifting to PS4).
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I'd have to agree with gf78, I don't buy games because they are worth a lot of money or not. I buy them because I want to play the damn things. Yeah I own a few rares games and I don't care. It's in my collection because I want it to be. And the reason why I brought my Xbox 360 at the time was because it's what Wal-mart had at the time and I had a huge coupon. Now I stick with Xbox because my online clan are mostly on Xbox (even though a lot of them are shifting to PS4).
Shift to PS4....shift over to PS4....you will be happy. :P
But on topic, a couple of people and one in particular drug this topic out and tried to turn it into a flamewar. It's fine to express opinions, preferences , etc. but trying to pass your bias off as fact and making assanine statements like "if someone gave me some PS3 games I would throw them in the trash!" just shows they are being an ignorant fanboy. I don't like Microsoft for my own reasons but if someone gave me a system and games I sure as shit wouldn't throw it in the trash. First, I would be grateful that someone thought of me and gave me something. Second, games are fun and that enjoyment isn't based on the platform it's on. I think Sworddude would be singing Uncharted praises if it was a Sega or Nintendo game, but instead he trashes it because he has some kind of agenda. On top of that, his criticisms of games like Grand Theft Auto and Gran Turismo not changing from entry to entry is ludicrous, especially when he tries to say that every Mario Kart and Smash Bros. is some kind of revelation in gaming and completely different from their previous entries. Two series that have changed very little in all the years they have been on the market. ::)
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I'd have to agree with gf78, I don't buy games because they are worth a lot of money or not. I buy them because I want to play the damn things. Yeah I own a few rares games and I don't care. It's in my collection because I want it to be. And the reason why I brought my Xbox 360 at the time was because it's what Wal-mart had at the time and I had a huge coupon. Now I stick with Xbox because my online clan are mostly on Xbox (even though a lot of them are shifting to PS4).
I think Sworddude would be singing Uncharted praises if it was a Sega or Nintendo game
Very good comparison, nah I'm kidding, there are plenty of nintendo or sega games that I don't like, would not chance if it was on another console or if it was valuable. Uncharted has a CE wich is worth thousands do I care? No not really.
Another example tetris, one of the games that people love and it is a game that is well known thanks to nintendo a piece of history, well Personally I don't like that game, pretty much everyone likes that game but I don't enjoy playing it and don't see the hype a piece of history. Many people praise that game and even if it is a classic nintendo game I don't want it. Uncharted many praises and awards for grapics at the time, if I don't like a game regardless on wich console i won't play it I won't own it.
If for example mario games were on the sony console and uncharted on nintendo than you can call me a sony fan by default It's about the games not the brand name. If nintendo went the ps3 road and ps3 vice versa I would be a ps3 fan.
Furthermore If i'm a nintendo sega fanboy than why o why do I have more than 100+ ps2 games and or almost 100 ps1 games. If the ps3 was better I might have given it a shot to collect for but in my opinion it's not just very few titles. ps1 and ps2 are nice consoles ps3 not that much in my opinion.
Furthermore I have plenty of games that are worth nothing, I don't care about value else I would also collect survival horror wich I am not a big fan of plenty of excellent titles wich are expensive as well. Came across many survival horror also uncommon and rare titles for cheap, didn't care about them would rather ad other games to the collection.
For example my copy of Tom and jerry war of the whiskers ps2 excellent game excellent replay value yet worthless in value won't see that as trash anytime soon.
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Very good comparison, nah I'm kidding, there are plenty of nintendo or sega games that I don't like, would not chance if it was on another console or if it was valuable. Uncharted has a CE wich is worth thousands do I care? No not really.
Another example tetris is from nintendo. One of the games that people love and it is a game that is well known thanks to nintendo a piece of history, well Personally I don't like that game, pretty much everyone likes that game but I don't enjoy playing it and don't see the hype a piece of history. Many people praise that game and even if it is a classic nintendo game I don't want it. Uncharted many praises and awards for grapics at the time, if I don't like a game regardless on wich console i won't play it I won't own it.
If for example mario games were on the sony console and uncharted on nintendo than you can call me a sony fan by default It's about the games not the brand name. If nintendo went the ps3 road and ps3 vice versa I would be a ps3 fan.
Furthermore If i'm a nintendo sega fanboy than why o why do I have more than 100+ ps2 games and or almost 100 ps1 games. If the ps3 was better I might have given it a shot to collect for but in my opinion it's not just very few titles. ps1 and ps2 are nice consoles ps3 not that much in my opinion.
Furthermore I have plenty of games that are worth nothing, I don't care about value else I would also collect survival horror wich I am not a big fan of plenty of excellent titles wich are expensive as well. Came across many survival horror also uncommon and rare titles for cheap, didn't care about them would rather ad other games to the collection.
For example my copy of Tom and jerry war of the whiskers ps2 excellent game excellent replay value yet worthless in value won't see that as trash anytime soon.
Tetris isn't from Nintendo. Tetris was first made for the Electronika 60 in Russia followed by the Commodore 64 in 1984. There were several different Tetris games before Nintendo secured rights to released Tetris titles in 1989.
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Very good comparison, nah I'm kidding, there are plenty of nintendo or sega games that I don't like, would not chance if it was on another console or if it was valuable. Uncharted has a CE wich is worth thousands do I care? No not really.
Another example tetris is from nintendo. One of the games that people love and it is a game that is well known thanks to nintendo a piece of history, well Personally I don't like that game, pretty much everyone likes that game but I don't enjoy playing it and don't see the hype a piece of history. Many people praise that game and even if it is a classic nintendo game I don't want it. Uncharted many praises and awards for grapics at the time, if I don't like a game regardless on wich console i won't play it I won't own it.
If for example mario games were on the sony console and uncharted on nintendo than you can call me a sony fan by default It's about the games not the brand name. If nintendo went the ps3 road and ps3 vice versa I would be a ps3 fan.
Furthermore If i'm a nintendo sega fanboy than why o why do I have more than 100+ ps2 games and or almost 100 ps1 games. If the ps3 was better I might have given it a shot to collect for but in my opinion it's not just very few titles. ps1 and ps2 are nice consoles ps3 not that much in my opinion.
Furthermore I have plenty of games that are worth nothing, I don't care about value else I would also collect survival horror wich I am not a big fan of plenty of excellent titles wich are expensive as well. Came across many survival horror also uncommon and rare titles for cheap, didn't care about them would rather ad other games to the collection.
For example my copy of Tom and jerry war of the whiskers ps2 excellent game excellent replay value yet worthless in value won't see that as trash anytime soon.
Tetris isn't from Nintendo. Tetris was first made for the Electronika 60 in Russia followed by the Commodore 64 in 1984. There were several different Tetris games before Nintendo secured rights to released Tetris titles in 1989.
I know that, that's why I said it is especially known thanks to nintendo. gameboy to be exact.
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I don't find modern games boring but I also don't find collecting those games very compelling. While many modern videogames are true gems and even a few are milestones I cannot really enjoy modern games on my shelf. It will be interesting to see, if current gen games will get the same amount of attention when kids from this generation grow up and what collecting value a game will hold, when you can't play them without the backend server infrastructure.
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I don't find modern games boring but I also don't find collecting those games very compelling. While many modern videogames are true gems and even a few are milestones I cannot really enjoy modern games on my shelf. It will be interesting to see, if current gen games will get the same amount of attention when kids from this generation grow up and what collecting value a game will hold, when you can't play them without the backend server infrastructure.
Those are my current sentiments as well. There are some good titles from that generation, but whenever I got to a used game shop, I don't bother with anything from last gen unless it's a handheld game. I wonder if I'll regret the current lack of interest and find that there were some gems that I missed, but time will tell.
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I think 360 and PS3 are in the purgatory that every previous gen console gets stuck in. It isn't nostalgic yet and it isn't new and flashy. Not enough time has passed to make us miss It but In 10 years it will be nostalgic and collectible and we will love it again. But right now its all about PS4 and One. Which are pretty much 360 and PS3 with better graphics in all honesty. And it doesn't help that One and PS4 are rereleasing a lot of the gems from last gen on the next gen consoles. It limits are reasons to go back.
What about the wii?
Same period, same gen yet way more games that are actually memorable and definitely raising in price big time.
PS3 And xbox 360 overall just inferior games of ps4 etc. Way less memorable unique games. Titles like the last of us or GTA will never be memorable on those inferior systems and games like journey or certain rpg's are already rising in value. Nothing will chance there aren't to many interesting titles out there anyway for these systems.
Your logic does not make any sense I highly doubt we will see a grow in prices of xbox 360 and ps3 except for the few unique titles and special CE. If it actually was the case than it should have been the same as wii wich it is not.
Just because Wii is raising in price doesn't mean the games are better or more memorable, more people collect for Nintendo then collect for Xbox 360 or PS3. Nintendo products will always hold value more.
But here are some things you didn't factor
1. Wii U came long before Xbox One and PS4 so Xbox 360 and PS3 haven't been previous gen nearly as long as Wii has. Not nearly as much time has passed. They still make PS3 and 360 games.
2. Wii U is fully backwards compatible allowing Wii games to be played still in HD making them more relevant.
3. Wii sold less copies of most of the games and their are less out there to be bought.
4. PS4 and XB1 have rereleased most of their amazing titles from last gen to this gen basically making it pointless to play or buy the old version. (Nintendo hasn't)
Wii is an amazing system don't get me wrong, but if we go down the line it doesn't have nearly as many memorable titles. and that is the trend with Nintendo since PS1 game out. It dominates with its 1st party must have gems but outside of that Sony and Xbox will have hundreds of third party gems that Nintendo just cant handle spec wise. (Halo, GTA, God Of War, Alan Wake, Bioshock) And Xbox and PlayStation also have more value in their 3rd party games than Nintendo. How many Wii games are in the dollar bin at savers? I don't see many Xbox games for a dollar. Once we get outside of first party it just has almost nothing. And even 1st party, Smash Bros Brawl isn't even as good as Melee and i never find myself going back and playing most of the Wii games because Wii U already perfected them and made them better. Why play Super Mario Bros Wii when the Wii U one is better. Why play Mario Kart wii when Mario Kart 8 is night and day better? So your point about them making better versions applies to Nintendo too. Nintendo Wii U improved on many of the Wii Games.
And i don't get what you mean by realistic games, do you mean games with good graphics? Because I am not sure if games like god of war and ratchet and clank fall into your opinion of realistic games that you don't like. I don't consider them to be realistic. I consider them to be playful party games like Mario or Zelda.
But in general if we give it some time and we will see increases in value in PS2. It is already starting to happen. PS1 was always dirt cheap. But look at PS1 now. PS1 has ridiculous prices. Even on common games like crash. Super sawed after. Even more so than n64. It just takes more time because not as many people collect for Sony or Xbox as they do for Nintendo.
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I think 360 and PS3 are in the purgatory that every previous gen console gets stuck in. It isn't nostalgic yet and it isn't new and flashy. Not enough time has passed to make us miss It but In 10 years it will be nostalgic and collectible and we will love it again. But right now its all about PS4 and One. Which are pretty much 360 and PS3 with better graphics in all honesty. And it doesn't help that One and PS4 are rereleasing a lot of the gems from last gen on the next gen consoles. It limits are reasons to go back.
What about the wii?
Same period, same gen yet way more games that are actually memorable and definitely raising in price big time.
PS3 And xbox 360 overall just inferior games of ps4 etc. Way less memorable unique games. Titles like the last of us or GTA will never be memorable on those inferior systems and games like journey or certain rpg's are already rising in value. Nothing will chance there aren't to many interesting titles out there anyway for these systems.
Your logic does not make any sense I highly doubt we will see a grow in prices of xbox 360 and ps3 except for the few unique titles and special CE. If it actually was the case than it should have been the same as wii wich it is not.
Just because Wii is raising in price doesn't mean the games are better or more memorable, more people collect for Nintendo then collect for Xbox 360 or PS3. Nintendo products will always hold value more.
But here are some things you didn't factor
1. Wii U came long before Xbox One and PS4 so Xbox 360 and PS3 haven't been previous gen nearly as long as Wii has. Not nearly as much time has passed. They still make PS3 and 360 games.
2. Wii U is fully backwards compatible allowing Wii games to be played still in HD making them more relevant.
3. Wii sold less copies of most of the games and their are less out there to be bought.
4. PS4 and XB1 have rereleased most of their amazing titles from last gen to this gen basically making it pointless to play or buy the old version. (Nintendo hasn't)
Wii is an amazing system don't get me wrong, but if we go down the line it doesn't have nearly as many memorable titles. and that is the trend with Nintendo since PS1 game out. It dominates with its 1st party must have gems but outside of that Sony and Xbox will have hundreds of third party gems that Nintendo just cant handle spec wise. (Halo, GTA, God Of War, Alan Wake, Bioshock) And Xbox and PlayStation also have more value in their 3rd party games than Nintendo. How many Wii games are in the dollar bin at savers? I don't see many Xbox games for a dollar. Once we get outside of first party it just has almost nothing. And even 1st party, Smash Bros Brawl isn't even as good as Melee and i never find myself going back and playing most of the Wii games because Wii U already perfected them and made them better. Why play Super Mario Bros Wii when the Wii U one is better. Why play Mario Kart wii when Mario Kart 8 is night and day better? So your point about them making better versions applies to Nintendo too. Nintendo Wii U improved on many of the Wii Games.
And i don't get what you mean by realistic games, do you mean games with good graphics? Because I am not sure if games like god of war and ratchet and clank fall into your opinion of realistic games that you don't like. I don't consider them to be realistic. I consider them to be playful party games like Mario or Zelda.
But in general if we give it some time and we will see increases in value in PS2. It is already starting to happen. PS1 was always dirt cheap. But look at PS1 now. PS1 has ridiculous prices. Even on common games like crash. Super sawed after. Even more so than n64. It just takes more time because not as many people collect for Sony or Xbox as they do for Nintendo.
I personally prefer mario kart double dash over mario kart 8 it ain't all better. same goes for the smash series newer ain't always better. Rainbow road has been the worst in mario kart 8 of all time.
Furthermore There are plenty of people who collect for especially ps3. It's cheap affordable hack almost everyone on this forum has a decent amount of ps3 games, I personally think that there are plenty of collectors for ps3 in fact there might be more than for nintendo wii, sony sales are usually better than nintendo anyways.
Back on topic.
I would not compare ratchet and clank and god of war with games like zelda and mario and no those aren't realistic games not a fan of both either. Sony has some good mascots but all are from the ps1 era. Not really mascots but I would have rather seen cloud snake and klonoa as sony mascots. Spyro and crash were okay mascots in ps1 era.
Furthermore ps2 and especially ps1 cannot be compared to ps3.
Most ps2 games that raise in value aren't even ps2 games. Arcade ports and aside from those rpg's and than in the end the unique titles like ico okami, katamari klonoa etc and the usual uncommon horror games etc
Ps1 on the otherhand is full with unique and good games It's by far not in the same league as ps3. Awesome Rpg's shoot em ups and also arcade ports other than that also allot of unique ps1 titles. I Highly doubt we will see a same raise in value like ps1 with the awesome library that it has. Mascots like spyro and crash bandicoot are ruined in the current day, skylanders make spyro games a joke not that the new games were any good anyways and the new crash games are ****. Games like castlevania? well ps3 pretty much killed the franchise with the lords of shadows series at least the ps2 titles were decent. Also, making games available with downloads on a newer console does not make it part of the consoles library it's another way to play an older a game.
Ps1 but also ps2 has allot of memorable titles wich are not easily replaced by other games for the same experience. So many uncommon games wich are unique and fun to play.
That's just my opinion, I personally don't think ps3 will raise in value aside from a very limited amount of games pretty much all rpg's, rare games and a select few unique games and CE.
Also if the ps3 would actually raise in value as you said it would wich ps3 classics would raise in value in your opinion? I'm curious.
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I think 360 and PS3 are in the purgatory that every previous gen console gets stuck in. It isn't nostalgic yet and it isn't new and flashy. Not enough time has passed to make us miss It but In 10 years it will be nostalgic and collectible and we will love it again. But right now its all about PS4 and One. Which are pretty much 360 and PS3 with better graphics in all honesty. And it doesn't help that One and PS4 are rereleasing a lot of the gems from last gen on the next gen consoles. It limits are reasons to go back.
What about the wii?
Same period, same gen yet way more games that are actually memorable and definitely raising in price big time.
PS3 And xbox 360 overall just inferior games of ps4 etc. Way less memorable unique games. Titles like the last of us or GTA will never be memorable on those inferior systems and games like journey or certain rpg's are already rising in value. Nothing will chance there aren't to many interesting titles out there anyway for these systems.
Your logic does not make any sense I highly doubt we will see a grow in prices of xbox 360 and ps3 except for the few unique titles and special CE. If it actually was the case than it should have been the same as wii wich it is not.
Just because Wii is raising in price doesn't mean the games are better or more memorable, more people collect for Nintendo then collect for Xbox 360 or PS3. Nintendo products will always hold value more.
But here are some things you didn't factor
1. Wii U came long before Xbox One and PS4 so Xbox 360 and PS3 haven't been previous gen nearly as long as Wii has. Not nearly as much time has passed. They still make PS3 and 360 games.
2. Wii U is fully backwards compatible allowing Wii games to be played still in HD making them more relevant.
3. Wii sold less copies of most of the games and their are less out there to be bought.
4. PS4 and XB1 have rereleased most of their amazing titles from last gen to this gen basically making it pointless to play or buy the old version. (Nintendo hasn't)
Wii is an amazing system don't get me wrong, but if we go down the line it doesn't have nearly as many memorable titles. and that is the trend with Nintendo since PS1 game out. It dominates with its 1st party must have gems but outside of that Sony and Xbox will have hundreds of third party gems that Nintendo just cant handle spec wise. (Halo, GTA, God Of War, Alan Wake, Bioshock) And Xbox and PlayStation also have more value in their 3rd party games than Nintendo. How many Wii games are in the dollar bin at savers? I don't see many Xbox games for a dollar. Once we get outside of first party it just has almost nothing. And even 1st party, Smash Bros Brawl isn't even as good as Melee and i never find myself going back and playing most of the Wii games because Wii U already perfected them and made them better. Why play Super Mario Bros Wii when the Wii U one is better. Why play Mario Kart wii when Mario Kart 8 is night and day better? So your point about them making better versions applies to Nintendo too. Nintendo Wii U improved on many of the Wii Games.
And i don't get what you mean by realistic games, do you mean games with good graphics? Because I am not sure if games like god of war and ratchet and clank fall into your opinion of realistic games that you don't like. I don't consider them to be realistic. I consider them to be playful party games like Mario or Zelda.
But in general if we give it some time and we will see increases in value in PS2. It is already starting to happen. PS1 was always dirt cheap. But look at PS1 now. PS1 has ridiculous prices. Even on common games like crash. Super sawed after. Even more so than n64. It just takes more time because not as many people collect for Sony or Xbox as they do for Nintendo.
I personally prefer mario kart double dash over mario kart 8 it ain't all better. same goes for the smash series newer ain't always better. Rainbow road has been the worst in mario kart 8 of all time.
Furthermore There are plenty of people who collect for especially ps3. It's cheap affordable hack almost everyone on this forum has a decent amount of ps3 games, I personally think that there are plenty of collectors for ps3 in fact there might be more than for nintendo wii, sony sales are usually better than nintendo anyways.
Back on topic.
I would not compare ratchet and clank and god of war with games like zelda and mario and no those aren't realistic games not a fan of both either. Sony has some good mascots but all are from the ps1 era. Not really mascots but I would have rather seen cloud snake and klonoa as sony mascots. Spyro and crash were okay mascots in ps1 era.
Furthermore ps2 and especially ps1 cannot be compared to ps3.
Most ps2 games that raise in value aren't even ps2 games. Arcade ports and aside from those rpg's and than in the end the unique titles like ico okami, katamari klonoa etc and the usual uncommon horror games etc
Ps1 on the otherhand is full with unique and good games It's by far not in the same league as ps3. Awesome Rpg's shoot em ups and also arcade ports other than that also allot of unique ps1 titles. I Highly doubt we will see a same raise in value like ps1 with the awesome library that it has. Mascots like spyro and crash bandicoot are ruined in the current day, skylanders make spyro games a joke not that the new games were any good anyways and the new crash games are ****. Games like castlevania? well ps3 pretty much killed the franchise with the lords of shadows series at least the ps2 titles were decent. Also, making games available with downloads on a newer console does not make it part of the consoles library it's another way to play an older a game.
Ps1 but also ps2 has allot of memorable titles wich are not easily replaced by other games for the same experience. So many uncommon games wich are unique and fun to play.
That's just my opinion, I personally don't think ps3 will raise in value aside from a very limited amount of games pretty much all rpg's, rare games and a select few unique games and CE.
Also if the ps3 would actually raise in value as you said it would wich ps3 classics would raise in value in your opinion? I'm curious.
I think games like Valkyria Chronicles, FF XIII, Uncharted, Dragon Age, Marvel vs Capcom 3, and Skyrim will all see a substantial raise in value, along with a lot of the Batman games, star wars games, Persona 4. Fall Out New vegas will climb, Little big planet might see a rise. Some of these are already seeing a slight raise. And games like Marvel vs Capcom 2 remake for PS3 are fetching almost 100 bucks. Their are plenty of niche games that are amazing to collect. For 360 I see not as much collecting and not as much value but I think Bioshock ultimate rapture edition will be pricey and I think a few of the odd ball exclusives like forza horizon might be elusive down the road but I feel Xbox doesn't retain value as well. It will have its big hitters but it wont have value throughout the library as much. I think games like Bioshock or fallout could go over 30 Especially if they make them backwards compatible in the future. You say only RPGs will rise in value and that I agree with to an extent but PS3 has TONS of rpgs lol.
I feel Mario Kart 8 is the best Mario Kart ever made imo, the online play is so smooth, the air flying elements and the courses are amazing and the game pad plays real well with it. It is so in depth and I love a lot of the new elements they added. I love double dash a lot too though, I see why you like it. I think it was insanely innovative to have 2 characters at once and I never got why they didn't at least make it optional from then on. It is definitely the most unique in the series.
If you don't consider God of War realistic then PS3 has tons of games you would deem unrealistic fun games. Do you like Arkham City? That is pretty realistic but probably as realistic as God of War. And Zelda is just about as realistic as God of War and Ratchet aside from the cartoony Nintendo art style. Zelda might even be more realistic. A boy wielding a sword and taking down villains to rescue hyrule from evil is more believable than a lombax killing aliens with morph rays and stuff. PS3 has its fair share of fun, goofy games that don't take themselves seriously.
Although I agree that Nintendo definitely has more of those.
I love Nintendo much more then the other 2 also, I feel Nintendo makes more memorable games all around. But I don't think Wii did as much. I think Wii U and GameCube are much more amazing than Wii. And I feel 360 and PS3 has a lot of amazing games to go back and playthrough. Some might not hold value as well, but they are still a blast. Like BioShock and God of War 3. Two of the best games ever. And they have some hidden RPG gems. FF XIII is extremely underated for PS3. One of the best FFs ever made and that's saying a lot.
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I think games like Valkyria Chronicles, FF XIII, Uncharted, Dragon Age, Marvel vs Capcom 3, and Skyrim will all see a substantial raise in value, along with a lot of the Batman games, star wars games, Persona 4. Fall Out New vegas will climb, Little big planet might see a rise. Some of these are already seeing a slight raise.
And they have some hidden RPG gems. FF XIII is extremely underated for PS3. One of the best FFs ever made and that's saying a lot.
I would've initially agreed about VC and some of the other games listed, but with so many of these getting remasters on newer gen and/or being available digitally through PSN or Steam, I can't imagine their prices really going up. I am happy to own a PS3 version of Valkyria Chronicles, but I'm not all that interested in playing it now because I have the remastered version for PS4.
There are a few exceptions of course, as some changes made for the newer gen do not necessarily make the game better. For instance, I prefer the PS2 version of Persona FES over the PSP Persona 3 Portable.
So many people feel so strongly about FFXIII - it's love or hate for most people, and I personally haven't found anything to like about it... yet.
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I still like playing games from that gen, and if I like the game I'll be happy to replay it. I'm not interested in story driven games though, and since there are a lot of them on those consoles (especially PS3) I can see maybe why someone wouldn't feel like re-playing them. Gameplay is all that matters to me though, so if I find a game fun once, then I will any other time I play it.
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Do I find the PS3 and/or 360 boring?
I don't find either one even nearly as boring as dreama and/or sworddud's drivelly-antagonistic-laden posts or topics...That might just be me, though ::)
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Do I find the PS3 and/or 360 boring?
I don't find either one even nearly as boring as dreama and/or sworddud's drivelly-antagonistic-laden posts or topics...That might just be me, though ::)
I would also include walls of text to that as well, eesh :o
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I would also include walls of text to that as well, eesh :o
Telly, see all posts by: Dreama and sword-dud.
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I would also include walls of text to that as well, eesh :o
Telly, see all posts by: Dreama and sword-dud.
Heh, I guess that sword-dud's sticking then, eh? :o
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I would also include walls of text to that as well, eesh :o
Telly, see all posts by: Dreama and sword-dud.
Heh, I guess that sword-dud's sticking then, eh? :o
LOL...another VGCer used that a while back. The originator should claim his bragging rights! :P
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I would also include walls of text to that as well, eesh :o
Telly, see all posts by: Dreama and sword-dud.
Heh, I guess that sword-dud's sticking then, eh? :o
LOL...another VGCer used that a while back. The originator should claim his bragging rights! :P
Yep, that was me. <3
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I would also include walls of text to that as well, eesh :o
Telly, see all posts by: Dreama and sword-dud.
Heh, I guess that sword-dud's sticking then, eh? :o
LOL...another VGCer used that a while back. The originator should claim his bragging rights! :P
Yep, that was me. <3
Didn't want to steal your thunder pal. But you owned it like a boss! :P
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Haha! I try to do my part!
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I would also include walls of text to that as well, eesh :o
Telly, see all posts by: Dreama and sword-dud.
Heh, I guess that sword-dud's sticking then, eh? :o
LOL...another VGCer used that a while back. The originator should claim his bragging rights! :P
Yep, that was me. <3
*steps lightly off of Kash's toes*
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I would also include walls of text to that as well, eesh :o
Telly, see all posts by: Dreama and sword-dud.
Heh, I guess that sword-dud's sticking then, eh? :o
LOL...another VGCer used that a while back. The originator should claim his bragging rights! :P
Yep, that was me. <3
*steps lightly off of Kash's toes*
LOL.
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I would also include walls of text to that as well, eesh :o
Telly, see all posts by: Dreama and sword-dud.
Heh, I guess that sword-dud's sticking then, eh? :o
LOL...another VGCer used that a while back. The originator should claim his bragging rights! :P
Yep, that was me. <3
*steps lightly off of Kash's toes*
You can step harder. I like it rough.
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I would also include walls of text to that as well, eesh :o
Telly, see all posts by: Dreama and sword-dud.
Heh, I guess that sword-dud's sticking then, eh? :o
LOL...another VGCer used that a while back. The originator should claim his bragging rights! :P
Yep, that was me. <3
*steps lightly off of Kash's toes*
You can step harder. I like it rough.
Don't tease!
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Do I find the PS3 and/or 360 boring?
I don't find either one even nearly as boring as dreama and/or sworddud's drivelly-antagonistic-laden posts or topics...That might just be me, though ::)
Yet here you are, and making your own ones, which are instantly hip and cool but of course, and It's to bad this place isn't liberal arts museum. But it's fine, it's in good humour I guess. ;)
Really through, nothing wrong with some Socratic dialogue. They were both clearly very passionate in what they believe; that's good, and it was informative at least to me reading back their exchange if you get down to the meat of it. But maybe we are the two that everyone loves to hate on here guilt free. :P
これは良いと罰金、ありがとうございます・
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Do I find the newer games boring? Well some I do. But I love a lot of them.
They are fun to play, just once you beat them they usually never get touched again. I loved games like Skyrim, Fallout 3, New Vegas but after beating them into the ground having nothing left to do but start over or just mess around in their vast worlds I don't see me playing these games again.
While old classics I find I can put in again and again and still want to play them.
I do think older games have better replay value over newer games.
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I think you'd be hard pressed to find any console with a decent library size that could be unequivocally called boring. There just has to be something that you enjoy in there somewhere. Especially on the 360 (can't speak quite as much to the PS3). Don't like the AAA titles? X-Box live has some phenomenal games that are as radically different from COD and GTA that you can get.
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Coming to answer very, very late, so...
Absolutely not!
Both Ps3 and 360 were true "flexible" consoles of their generation.
You could find games for every taste, high-tech or with that old 8 and 16-bliss...
Also, that generation became real multimedia, playing videos, music and playing online, with chat n´all, things only pc´s could properly do until them.
They were packed with a ton of games and they did a great step forward on making videogames real entertainment machines for your home.
Nothing boring about them at all. That generation really impressed me compared to others, in a very good way.
HarvestDude™
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When the PS3 and Xbox 360 came out I had actually been on a hiatus from gaming because of career and marriage (life was way too busy). I mainly bought the PS3 to take advantage of the Blu-Ray player. I had just picked up a 65 inch HD tv and was ready to use it to its full potential. The PS3 came out a few months after the $1000 Blu-ray players so I waited it out and picked one up on day one. The 360 I picked up because it was an intriguing console. I had missed out on the first Xbox and had heard good things about Microsoft and what they brought to the console field.
I ended up loving both consoles especially after Sony finally got their online setup fixed.
No way is either console boring. Xbox 360 revolutionized online gaming in that time period. Sony revolutionized digital gaming with PlayStation Plus. I'm glad to have been so active in those years they were fun!
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Has anyone mentioned yet, that Xbox 360 and PS3 are definitely not classic gaming?
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Has anyone mentioned yet, that Xbox 360 and PS3 are definitely not classic gaming?
"Pretty much anything pre-Current Gen fits in here" I think that the 360/PS3/Wii fit in that description now especially since we are on the 3rd/4th year of this console cycle. not to mention we are already in talks about a successor to the Xbone & Wii U coming next year.
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Has anyone mentioned yet, that Xbox 360 and PS3 are definitely not classic gaming?
"Pretty much anything pre-Current Gen fits in here" I think that the 360/PS3/Wii fit in that description now especially since we are on the 3rd/4th year of this console cycle. not to mention we are already in talks about a successor to the Xbone & Wii U coming next year.
Well, I personally won't ever consider anything 5th gen or beyond to be classic. Aging maybe, but it'll always be far removed from the origins of mainstream console gaming, despite how old it may eventually get.
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Has anyone mentioned yet, that Xbox 360 and PS3 are definitely not classic gaming?
"Pretty much anything pre-Current Gen fits in here" I think that the 360/PS3/Wii fit in that description now especially since we are on the 3rd/4th year of this console cycle. not to mention we are already in talks about a successor to the Xbone & Wii U coming next year.
Well, I personally won't ever consider anything 5th gen or beyond to be classic. Aging maybe, but it'll always be far removed from the origins of mainstream console gaming, despite how old it may eventually get.
Same here I would never consider anything after 5th gen to be classic gaming.
Except Dreamcast wich is 6st gen but it was 2 years 1998 older earlier than all the other systems even though 6th gen. Furthermore to much classic gaming goodness 2D fighting games and shoot em ups.
Gamecube xbox ps2 etc not that much, also in my eyes wii, xbox 360 and ps3 and onwards will never be considered retro even though it being old since the games are way to different.
I think some different terms will be used when allot of time has passed since i don't think the term retro or classic gaming will suffice on consoles such as the ps3 xbox 360 and pre gen.
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Like it or not, ready or not - I think the day of the "traditional" console is over with PS3 and Xbox 360 being the last of their kind. Maybe the NX since Nintendo is stuck in the past more often than not.
With the PS4 and Xbox One, we are now seeing these incremental upgrades like the Neo, S and Project Scorpio. Consoles are now moving into a more PC-like space where different machines can run the same games but at different performance levels. To me, that is very PC-like.
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Like it or not, ready or not - I think the day of the "traditional" console is over with PS3 and Xbox 360 being the last of their kind. Maybe the NX since Nintendo is stuck in the past more often than not.
With the PS4 and Xbox One, we are now seeing these incremental upgrades like the Neo, S and Project Scorpio. Consoles are now moving into a more PC-like space where different machines can run the same games but at different performance levels. To me, that is very PC-like.
But that hasn't happened, yet. It's going to be based on how sales do on these incremental systems. If they don't do well, then that's not the future.
I don't know about the masses, but in most of my gaming groups/boards, it seems the gamers that already own a PS4 or XBox One aren't interested. I know I feel that way personally, as well.
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But that hasn't happened, yet. It's going to be based on how sales do on these incremental systems. If they don't do well, then that's not the future.
I don't know about the masses, but in most of my gaming groups/boards, it seems the gamers that already own a PS4 or XBox One aren't interested. I know I feel that way personally, as well.
Well, naturally it hasn't happened yet because we are a few months off from the release of the Xbox One S. But it is coming. It's price isn't significantly different from the current model and these systems will sell. So the proverbial foot is in the door now. Developers are already making games with these scaling graphics so they will be available at launch. Being that both Sony and Microsoft have gone on record stating that the games will scale to work on every variation of their platform. While you or I or any number of people may not have any interest in upgrading, we know not everyone who buys a console "jumps in" in the first, second, third or even fourth year a console is on the market. Heck, some come even later. There are still people buying their first 360 or PS3 right now. For some people, the Neo or S or Scorpio will just be the system they happen to buy.
Then you have your early adopters and the people who want the "latest & greatest" regardless if they bought a new system last year or last month. See: iPhone users. They buy a new iPhone every year regardless if it does anything different than what they already have. I myself bought a Galaxy S7 Edge when I just bought my S6 last year. I did it for the larger screen and waterproofing as well as the expandable storage. Does the S7 run software that the S6 can't handle? Nope, not that I have seen.
While I have no plans of upgrading my PS4 (or Xbox One) to a newer system, I can't rule out the possibility entirely. At this time, my television is your standard HD. But my wife and I have been eyeing a Samsung 4K model for over a year now. We may take that plunge next year when we get our taxes back. 4K gaming at the moment is pointless to me since my television couldn't display it. But that may all change next year. If 4K resolutions make a noticeable difference in the games, I may take that plunge as well.
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But that hasn't happened, yet. It's going to be based on how sales do on these incremental systems. If they don't do well, then that's not the future.
I don't know about the masses, but in most of my gaming groups/boards, it seems the gamers that already own a PS4 or XBox One aren't interested. I know I feel that way personally, as well.
Well, naturally it hasn't happened yet because we are a few months off from the release of the Xbox One S. But it is coming. It's price isn't significantly different from the current model and these systems will sell. So the proverbial foot is in the door now. Developers are already making games with these scaling graphics so they will be available at launch. Being that both Sony and Microsoft have gone on record stating that the games will scale to work on every variation of their platform. While you or I or any number of people may not have any interest in upgrading, we know not everyone who buys a console "jumps in" in the first, second, third or even fourth year a console is on the market. Heck, some come even later. There are still people buying their first 360 or PS3 right now. For some people, the Neo or S or Scorpio will just be the system they happen to buy.
Then you have your early adopters and the people who want the "latest & greatest" regardless if they bought a new system last year or last month. See: iPhone users. They buy a new iPhone every year regardless if it does anything different than what they already have. I myself bought a Galaxy S7 Edge when I just bought my S6 last year. I did it for the larger screen and waterproofing as well as the expandable storage. Does the S7 run software that the S6 can't handle? Nope, not that I have seen.
While I have no plans of upgrading my PS4 (or Xbox One) to a newer system, I can't rule out the possibility entirely. At this time, my television is your standard HD. But my wife and I have been eyeing a Samsung 4K model for over a year now. We may take that plunge next year when we get our taxes back. 4K gaming at the moment is pointless to me since my television couldn't display it. But that may all change next year. If 4K resolutions make a noticeable difference in the games, I may take that plunge as well.
I say this to anyone who decides to buy a brand new state of the art tv. Wait till after black Friday when people get it and realize they don't want it. my mom got a 75" 4k tv after Christmas from walmart with an open box for under a grand. (I believe $600-800)
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BTW, I'm in agreement that everything pre-current gen should be considered retro. But IMO, a generation isn't really over until you can't buy them at big-box stores (Wal-Mart, K-Mart, ShopKo, etc.) anymore.
Right now, you can still find PS3 and XBox 360 games in big box stores. So I think it's still current, for now. We're still in that in-between period.
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this thread got heavy heh.
ahhh.
my two cents is
'no'
i think this kind of topic comes up every single generation. i see it ever gen. back when the wii/360/ps3 came out people said this about them, and the ps2/xbox/gcn. and i imagine it was the same for ps1/n64/saturn back then, too.
like, people get older and harder to impress. i know even tho i was like 10 i thought the n64 was ~so meh~. i wasn't impressed by boxy horrible graphics. i was way more impressed with some snes pixel art (yoshi's island comes to mind especially).
we get jaded and blah blah.
anyway, my ps3 collection is pretty sizeable in comparison. the 360 wasn't for me, i owned one, i sold it for the ps3 (before i was really on the collecting game as much... i was collecting, but not really into it at the time, and i want a 360 eventually, but only for some of the jrpgs.
i don't find ps3 to be boring at all. but i'm a niche consumer, and i like a lot of trash. like, weeb jrpgs are kinda my thing. as in 'if there aren't cute girls in my game i probably have no interest' type here. i have a penchant for cute that runs vein deep i guess.
i'll say i never got into online, i think i missed the boat and now i'd have some serious learning curve and catching up and idk, it's not for me, i don't wanna bother, i like my single player, and the ps3 has that in spades. and some of the games gave me experiences i know older gens would have a much harder time doing so for me.
that doesn't mean i don't enjoy older consoles, of course i do, i have loads of memories with the snes especially
but ps3 was when i finally had the cash to really buy games (and ps2) and i could enjoy a wider variety.
i genuinely think that generation had a lot of good stuff in general.
and i think people who say it was boring are getting a bit jaded (and may need to take a break from the hobby).
though i will say this: the ps4 and bone are hella boring if you don't have internet. hard to buy games that are GOING to need patches, when you can't really hook up to the internet (i use mobile hotspot to get online right now, it's a pain, but i can't be using the bandwidth on 50 system updates and 15 more game updates, this shit is limited bandwidth lmao).
maybe i can argue the ps2 was better than the ps3 -in general- for my tastes, but i'm actually MORE inclined to the weeb jrpgs of PS3 than the more serious ones from yesteryear. it appeals to me more.
and anyway, no one mentioned dragon's dogma.
or nier.
or earth defence force
or really any gem from the console gen in question. there were a bunch of fantastic titles on the consoles, but no one's mentioning them, and the arguing point (that i saw, i skimmed, i'll read later when i wake up) used AAA titles... and AAA titles have always been kinda hit or miss for a while now. a fuckload of the "great" titles during the ps2 days weren't AAA (persona, smt series and knock offs in general, for example). no one is bringing up how platinum exists now, and continues to make fantastic games (def not AAA tho), like vanquish, no one is bringing up the A or even B titles, just AAA as their arguing point and... fair enough, those are the big budget, big advertisement, prominent titles, but let's be real, the generation is just going down, and like literally every other generation, it's only after the gen is over that all the hidden golden gems are dug out of the earth and put forth.
i think it's WAY too early to be saying "wow that gen sure was terrible wasn't it :^)" when we all know how this goes: generation finally dies off, all the gems are uncovered, we can look back and pick it apart, it always turns out better than we remember, wow, huh, look at that, turns out it wasn't that shit after all and wowee wew lad [current gen] sucks so much shit can we go back to last gen :^)??
this happens EVERY time, i'm young (23 next week) but i've seen this happen twice now, three times in the handheld verse, and i dunno, i guess it gets a little old.
i mean shit, i never thought xbox original had much until i crept into a 'hidden gems of the xbox/xbox appreciation thread' thread on 8chan and wowee, look at that, a whole damn jpeg of games i never knew existed. (albeit, my brother is the xbox guy, i'm the playstation guy, used to be nintendo but i'm a little bit salty about treehouse translation and localisation butchering abound/censorship bullshit, so i'll see myself out of that discussion)
you'll see the same lists all over again for 360/ps3/wii, just like xbox/gcn/ps2 and so on and so on.
every gen this happens.
and every next gen we look back and realise ~oh it could have been so much worse how could we be so blind~ so i'm immune to this thinking i guess.
tl;dr: i fucking dig my ps3, didn't mind my 360 when i had one but the games weren't really suited for me thus the ps3 transition.
ps3 is a pree cool guy basically.
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Nope, I had fun with them.
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xbox 360 and ps3 were great systems esp. xbox 360 imo.
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Boring? No, own a few hundred games from this generation and I've always been entertained, the presence of BioShock and its sequel alone are enough for me to always want access to them.
As a physical-only gamer and collector, however, that was the generation of genre-squeezing with an excess of FPS and 3rd-person open world/shooty games, the majority of unusual stuff was online only, so there are certainly limits placed on the physical side of the games. That's not the hardware though, it's the game industry's obsession on having 1 way to do everything.
The PS4 has a growing library of budget and previously online-only titles, which, BioShock aside, does blow the 360/PS3 out of the water for me.
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i'll say i never got into online, i think i missed the boat and now i'd have some serious learning curve and catching up and idk, it's not for me, i don't wanna bother, i like my single player, and the ps3 has that in spades. and some of the games gave me experiences i know older gens would have a much harder time doing so for me.
Online play wasn't an option for me until shortly after Halo Reach was released. My online experiences before that were few & far between at a friend's house. I've always preferred single player games to online focused ones, but I have to say there is a draw to multiplayer when it is an addition to a great single player game.
Being a Halo nut, I've jumped in feet-first with Halo 5 multiplayer. I keep racking up "Big Game Hunter" in my matches and not to brag, but a lot of the time I can come in 1st or 2nd on my team. There are also many times when I get absolutely smoked and there are gamers with uncanny abilities. They are machines. Terminators! But it can be a lot of fun. And I have to confess, I'm a habitual tea-bagger. I can't help it. Especially if I get the last kill of the match, I run up and teabag their helpless asses while they lay there and the screen fades and shows the scores. It's like that one last kick in the teeth.