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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: dreama1 on June 30, 2017, 08:58:38 pm
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I heard retro game prices have peaked, and are beginning a slow decline as of 2016/2017. Examples include earthbound and wild guns. Any truth to this?
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I'm not too sure about that. I paid $310 recently for a bundle of six games and a Gamecube memory card, those being Earthbound ($200), complete in box Mega Man 2 ($70) and Donkey Kong Country ($30). I got three other free games that I wanted with them and I paid $10 for the memory card. A few years ago I remember seeing Earthbound for $100 and thinking it was ridiculous but prices have shot up tremendously since then. Personally I'd never pay more than $100 for any game, but the lot came out to $50/game so it was alright. I think that prices have perhaps stagnated, rather than decreased.
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6 months gone by already?
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Everytime I hear the prices people use to pay for retro games in the US I feel that I could NEVER be a collector if I lived there.
Why don't you guys try buying from Japanese sites instead? For the price of this Donkey Kong Country you could easily bundle the whole trilogy AND a Super Famicom console CIB around here... I understand that it is not practical to play RPGs in Japanese, but other genres (such as platformers) do not suffer from any language barrier.
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@ferraroso
There are already plenty of people who do this with nintendo consoles
i have seen it especially with N64
That being said high prices can also be used as an advantage to aquire pieces.
Back on topic
Prices lowering I don't think so at least in europe
If you can move cib copies of star wing snes or mario 64 in very good shape to excellent for around 40 euro's excluding shipping I wouldn't say that prices are lowering especially since it was 20 - 30. 1 year ago. Especially mario 64 was near the 20 euro's range in nice shape.
games like zelda are still rising in price even common games like ocarina of time complete in box are nearing 50 euro's in excellent shape wich were only 30 euro's at best cib in superb shape a bit more than 1 year ago. now even in decent shape it is easy 30 euro's in the black market.
I don't know the status in The US but in europe I guess the supply of great condition stuff is less. There are far more copies available in the US of certain games also in excellent condition.
The really expensive games overall have risen in price in europe, There are however games like castlevania symphony of the night panzer dragoon saga and some other expensive rarities that have remained the same value.
Nes in europe has been insane, I remember megaman 2 cib being like 30 - 40 euro's around one year ago for thelongest time easy everywhere at best cib. At the moment however it seems to have risen to around 60 - 80 euro's that was kinda shocking how that happened :o
In europe it seems to get more expensive. There are games that have stayed the same price but there are also many examples that have become more expensive especially the common good games.
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Nes in europe has been insane, I remember megaman 2 cib being like 30 - 40 euro's around one year ago for thelongest time easy everywhere at best cib. At the moment however it seems to have risen to around 60 - 80 euro's that was kinda shocking how that happened :o
In europe it seems to get more expensive. There are games that have stayed the same price but there are also many examples that have become more expensive especially the common good games.
I can reiterate this, collecting NES in Europe must be a pain because you have to worry about PAL-A/B as well.
main-line Pokemon games are continuing to climb here in the UK, especially HeartGold / SoulSilver which I've been finding in box for about £60, above retail even those w/o pokewalker. Gamecube games have pretty much doubled since 2009, I got Smash Bros. Melee for about £16 back then, now you'd be lucky to find it below £30.
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Nes in europe has been insane, I remember megaman 2 cib being like 30 - 40 euro's around one year ago for thelongest time easy everywhere at best cib. At the moment however it seems to have risen to around 60 - 80 euro's that was kinda shocking how that happened :o
In europe it seems to get more expensive. There are games that have stayed the same price but there are also many examples that have become more expensive especially the common good games.
I can reiterate this, collecting NES in Europe must be a pain because you have to worry about PAL-A/B as well.
main-line Pokemon games are continuing to climb here in the UK, especially HeartGold / SoulSilver which I've been finding in box for about £60, above retail even those w/o pokewalker. Gamecube games have pretty much doubled since 2009, I got Smash Bros. Melee for about £16 back then, now you'd be lucky to find it below £30.
that's not really an issue only in certain countries pal A is available and in inferior numbers. it is expensive though Nes in europe
Nes in US is pretty cheap in my opinion with most of the common and even allot of uncommon sought after titles at least, same applies to snes.
double dragon 2 castlevania etc allot of examples pretty cheap in the US in europe however in very good condition upwards even though these should not be rare games are not easy to find and pretty pricy
Only for cib is this an issue as lose carts are really affordable the difference is really huge by multiple times usually in very good upwards condition. Bad condition boxes obviously don't add nice value but no collector wants those.
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that's not really an issue only in certain countries pal A is available and in inferior numbers. it is expensive though Nes in europe
The United Kingdom is one of those countries that uses NES PAL-A. I'm confused as to whether PAL a / B work across Matel & NES console versions
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that's not really an issue only in certain countries pal A is available and in inferior numbers. it is expensive though Nes in europe
The United Kingdom is one of those countries that uses NES PAL-A
Very true I do realise that. it is also slightly cheaper than pal b since pretty much the rest of europe is after those.
Except for italy and a few other countries if I am not mistaken.
If you buy from other countries It's pretty much always pal B so i guess many Uk buyers buy their nes games in the UK.
Pal a games work only on PAL A nes console in the UK italy etc
PAl B works only in the rest of europe and not on UK nes consoles. Pretty interesting that there was a region lock within europe, there are plenty of converters though.
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I heard retro game prices have peaked, and are beginning a slow decline as of 2016/2017. Examples include earthbound and wild guns. Any truth to this?
These games are no longer being produced. As long as there is demand for these products with a static supply, prices will trend upward over the long term. Econ 101.
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This is mostly anecdotal, but I do believe that the retro craze, including prices, has peaked and it is gradually declining. I have been trying to downsize a little recently and have several highly collectable, desirable games on ebay at the moment, all at competitive prices and no one seems to be biting. it isn't just me either, people either seem to be waiting for auctions now or someone to post a specific game really low, which brings the price down overall even more. I have noticed this on nearly every game I've been selling, which again, is a personal account, but having sold many games over the past several years, I can't recall it being this hard ever to get a fair price for your games on ebay.
The other part of me that thinks that the retro collecting craze has peaked is the amount of collectors I've seen leave the hobby over the past year and a half, some with massive collections (4000+ games). Being a regular at various retro game stores around town, I have also seen for the first time in years retro games remain on shelves for more than a few days, and in some cases gradually accumulate over time. A few store employees have even backed up my statement about collectors leaving the hobby, stating that they are getting people in on occasion who decided to sell of their collections to the store.
I think we as game collectors assume that far more people are into this hobby than there actually is, and I honestly beleive that not only are people just getting bored with the hobby and wanting to move on, but also many collectors have everything they want, or close to it, and see little desire to buy games they've had now for years.
I think what this all means is that prices will gradually come down on everything. Certain games like Contra or Super Metroid which aren't rare, but highly sought after will probably see the biggest decline in price, while games that are genuinely rare will probably still be insanely pricey, but they will get slightly cheaper. Sadly, prices will never return to their pre-collecting craze levels, but hey, as long as games like Super Mario World are going for around $5 again and a lot of the resellers get out of the hobby, I wont complain much.
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I heard retro game prices have peaked, and are beginning a slow decline as of 2016/2017. Examples include earthbound and wild guns. Any truth to this?
These games are no longer being produced. As long as there is demand for these products with a static supply, prices will trend upward over the long term. Econ 101.
That's not necessarily true when it comes to collectibles, though. Collector market bubbles burst, and interest rises and fades with trends and changing generations.
The baseball card market bottoming out in the late 80s is a perfect example. Or the bubble-burst of the comic collector's market in the 90s.
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With lose carts I think it will happen allot sooner if it happens.
Cib is more collectible especially in very good upwards condition wich is harder to come by and in allot of cases not readily available in the better shapes. The amount of excellent condition boxed copies is far less than the amount of lose carts available.
That being said I can imagine the market really crashing and if it happens I'd say at least after 20 to 30 years when there is a chance that nobody cares, This will than also apply for more rare consoles such as pc engine neo geo etc since the generations do not really about those consoles.
but than again does one want to wait that long for really cheap games if it happens ofcourse.
It kinda seems less enjoyable to get into the hobby when your allot older in less healthy condition litterally. There is a reason why people pay high prices now.
There are however always emulators, so to be fair gameplay wise no one can complain at this moment and it will only become allot easier as the time progresses.
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That being said I can imagine the market really crashing and if it happens I'd say at least after 20 to 30 years when there is a
I think 20-30 years is wayyy too generous an amount of time; I'm think by the end of this decade it'll cool off a lot, and by around midway next decade we may actually see prices on many things down to pre-2010 levels again.
Collecting trends correspond with age cohorts coming of age, getting careers, getting disposable income, and they likewise die with many of them taking on financial responsibilities (kids, marriage, mortgage, car payments, ect) that leave little room for collecting things from their childhood, and in some cases forcing them to sell off. Right now, the cohort of kids that grew up in the late 80s to early 2000s are this coming of age group, and while collecting may spread to PS3/360 collecting, like it has with SNES or NES, I highly doubt it will. Pretty much once the current wave of collectors gives up on collecting retro games from the 80s and 90s, nobody is going to give a shit about those games anymore, certainly not a bunch of kids that were born in the mid 2000s who don't even know what a PS2 is.
As someone else pointed out, collecting trends have come and gone over the years and follow the same pattern. Video games are no different.
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It's why I think we see Microsoft supporting backwards compatibility with the original Xbox. Those that grew up with that era of gaming are older now and in that right place to market too. Those of us that grew up in the 80's/90's era of gaming have largely gotten what we wanted, or hit the point of "too much" and scaled down or sold most of it off to pay for something else more important. That in turns puts games back on the market and leads to more supply, where less demand then means lowers prices.
I'm curious if we'll see any significant rise with gaming based on the later generations. Nintendo inherently has a stronger collector potential than other systems, no matter the generation, and there is already a market for it, but in a few more years, more of the young people from that time will be at the point a lot of us were a few years back and may want to get those games back. I'm just curious if it'll have the same support the older generations had. Cartridges as they are seem like they have more collection potential and not too mention with how easy it is to have bad discs that are unusable compared to cartridges.
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The baseball card market bottoming out in the late 80s is a perfect example.
That's my first thought too. And like with baseball cards during the crash, we're seeing a mass surplus of product happening right now, making both the current and previous generation not very valuable for collecting outside of select titles.
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Wish this were actually true. The items I've been watching simply keep going up. I'd love to get a complete Super System Card 3.0 for the TGCD for $150 like it used to be, but the resellers have jacked the price up to $300-400 these days.
Today I just focus on the consoles that are getting donated the most, PS2, PSP, PS3 and Wii. I can find most games on those systems for $5-10 these days, anything older than that the resellers have jacked to unreasonable prices.
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I'm really wondering how it would impact ps3 and xbox 360 CE even the very rare ones wich go for insane amounts.
Seems less memorable to me since there are many rereleases and multiple Ce of pretty much every game.
Those would have zero value for sure after allot less time have passed if you would ask me. I'm petty sure people would be giving those away at some point.
on a realistic note I think prices will or rise/drop slighlty or stay quite steady in the future.
Pre 2010 era would be pretty insane in just 8 years. Especially since many 2D sega saturn and ps1 games are very simular to those of snes etc. Would also mean that gamecube ps1 sega saturn dreamcast etc would drop allot.
Collectibles that did die.
Atari realisticly is pretty crap even the so called good games do not entertain many people, baseball cards are just there to look at why collect those if you can collect real baseball sports memorabilia, Beanie babies I have no idea how people get into those, elvis collectibles wich was meant for collecting only.
We'll see in the future what happens, would be pretty sweet to get titles in cib shape as hagane wild guns megaman x3 etc Neo geo aes should also drop if that would be the case but I don't see it happening These games are more fun than those other very niche collectibles that died out and allot bigger. I can imagine some waves going up and down but not in ridiculous huge movements.
It can happen but a huge movement in 8 just years seems to good to be true. Obviously for some games this can apply like eartbound but as a whole it seems a bit much.
We'll see in the near future what will happen if Bikinghatjun statement could come out in 8 years ::)
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The craze has already been in full swing since 2013 so it is now 4-years in. That is a lot of time to go to thrift stores, flea markets, ebay, and the like to get what you want. Very few of us are The Flea and literally collect everything. If we were than 30-years might be a realistic time table for this all to end. And whether pre-2010 prices will happen is to be seen, but it surely will not happen on everything. Things like Little Samson, Hagane, and Sculptors Cut will never go back to what they used to be worth, but I can honestly see them losing at least half their value in 8-years.
And even though you do not see the value in things like baseball cards, Beanie Babies or Atari games does not mean that others can't. I have no idea how old you are, but assuming you are in your 20s or 30s, you can appreciate things like SNES or Saturn games. Likewise someone who grew up in the 50s will have a easier time getting into baseball cards because that was a big thing back then. Atari collecting was popular in the late 90s to mid 2000s because that age group was in their 20s and early 30s at the time, and it died out in less than a decade.
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The craze has already been in full swing since 2013 so it is now 4-years in. That is a lot of time to go to thrift stores, flea markets, ebay, and the like to get what you want. Very few of us are The Flea and literally collect everything. If we were than 30-years might be a realistic time table for this all to end. And whether pre-2010 prices will happen is to be seen, but it surely will not happen on everything. Things like Little Samson, Hagane, and Sculptors Cut will never go back to what they used to be worth, but I can honestly see them losing at least half their value in 8-years.
And even though you do not see the value in things like baseball cards, Beanie Babies or Atari games does not mean that others can't. I have no idea how old you are, but assuming you are in your 20s or 30s, you can appreciate things like SNES or Saturn games. Likewise someone who grew up in the 50s will have a easier time getting into baseball cards because that was a big thing back then. Atari collecting was popular in the late 90s to mid 2000s because that age group was in their 20s and early 30s at the time, and it died out in less than a decade.
I do see why people appreciate them for example atari games. It's not for me gameplay wise.
Than again the NES is only 8 years younger than the atari 2600 why is there no nes crash yet. Surely many nes collectors are in the same age group as the atari collectors back than? Some years ago already actually. The same thing should happen however nes games are actually a bit better than the true basics wich is why the crash hasn't happen yet. Atari games are less fun than nes games. They are actually starting to look like something with genuinly good games. Even new 8 bit games are made since there are people who prefer these kind of games and the art style for them games.
Why are so few people collecting for like colecovision, and all those other atari like systems because they are super basic in sound and grapics. Usually for the people that have these systems with some games It's more as a collectors piece wich is barely used at all.
Atari is almost pure nostalgia while nes onwards is actually pretty solid attracting also other people without nostalgia. Has nice music and the grapics look nice especially in some games with it's own 8 bit style. I can't say the same thing for atari.
I grew up in the 16 bit era yet I do find master system and nes games fun to play because they have something. atari however is not that interesting I do see why people appreciate it but I can't get into these games.
One can appreciate things but not all things that are appreciated should be considered fun by everyone. Obviously the same thing can be said for the golden 16 bit era but at the very least it is allot more solid and a large group of people pay good money in most cases for gameplay. Obviously a collector pays more for cib stuff and the rarities but also players have to pay allot for just cart only or games with missing pieces. The big money in atari was mainly reserverd for the games wich were really rare not really for gameplay. obviously games like pacman had value in the craze but overall it was more for collectability with the high ticket items.
Most of the good games on atari were not rare at all so i'm pretty sure for most players money wasn't an issue at all especially lose cart collectors unless you were going for a full set and or rarities wich is pretty impossible for atari.
i'm not saying that a crash will never happen, but the nes crash should have happened by now quite some years ago if were going with your theory.
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The craze has already been in full swing since 2013 so it is now 4-years in. That is a lot of time to go to thrift stores, flea markets, ebay, and the like to get what you want. Very few of us are The Flea and literally collect everything. If we were than 30-years might be a realistic time table for this all to end. And whether pre-2010 prices will happen is to be seen, but it surely will not happen on everything. Things like Little Samson, Hagane, and Sculptors Cut will never go back to what they used to be worth, but I can honestly see them losing at least half their value in 8-years.
And even though you do not see the value in things like baseball cards, Beanie Babies or Atari games does not mean that others can't. I have no idea how old you are, but assuming you are in your 20s or 30s, you can appreciate things like SNES or Saturn games. Likewise someone who grew up in the 50s will have a easier time getting into baseball cards because that was a big thing back then. Atari collecting was popular in the late 90s to mid 2000s because that age group was in their 20s and early 30s at the time, and it died out in less than a decade.
I do see why people appreciate them for example atari games. It's not for me gameplay wise.
Than again the NES is only 8 years younger than the atari 2600 why is there no nes crash yet. Surely many nes collectors are in the same age group as the atari collectors back than? Some years ago already actually. The same thing should happen however nes games are actually a bit better than the true basics wich is why the crash hasn't happen yet. Atari games are less fun than nes games. They are actually starting to look like something with genuinly good games. Even new 8 bit games are made since there are people who prefer these kind of games and the art style for them games.
Why are so few people collecting for like colecovision, and all those other atari like systems because they are super basic in sound and grapics. Usually for the people that have these systems with some games It's more as a collectors piece wich is barely used at all.
Atari is almost pure nostalgia while nes onwards is actually pretty solid attracting also other people without nostalgia. Has nice music and the grapics look nice especially in some games with it's own 8 bit style. I can't say the same thing for atari.
I grew up in the 16 bit era yet I do find master system and nes games fun to play because they have something. atari however is not that interesting I do see why people appreciate it but I can't get into these games.
One can appreciate things but not all things that are appreciated should be considered fun by everyone. Obviously the same thing can be said for the golden 16 bit era but at the very least it is allot more solid and a large group of people pay good money in most cases for gameplay. Obviously a collector pays more for cib stuff and the rarities but also players have to pay allot for just cart only or games with missing pieces. The big money in atari was mainly reserverd for the games wich were really rare not really for gameplay. obviously games like pacman had value in the craze but overall it was more for collectability with the high ticket items.
Most of the good games on atari were not rare at all so i'm pretty sure for most players money wasn't an issue at all especially lose cart collectors unless you were going for a full set and or rarities wich is pretty impossible for atari.
i'm not saying that a crash will never happen, but the nes crash should have happened by now quite some years ago if were going with your theory.
NES was not in full blown pandemonium until the late 80s. Sure, people owned one as early as 85 when it came out, but he mainstream didn't really latch onto it until around 88 or 89. But at this point I'm splitting hairs a bit. The main point is that people born as early as the mid 70s and as late as the mid-90s are the ones fueling the collecting craze, which started about the same time for all post 2600 consoles up to probably PS2. So even though it did come out only a few years after the hayday of Atari, it wasn't widely collected for until 2013, along with most other consoles of the 1990s.
Another trend I've noticed is how people have been jumping from one console to the next once they are satisfied collecting for the console they started with. A lot of NES collectors became SNES collectors when they could not longer obtain certain NES titles, or maybe they finished collecting for it. Then the SNES crowd jumped to Genesis, which then jumped to Saturn, and so on, and so on. However, at this point, there is not a mainstream console released up to the PS3/Wii/360 that has not seen a significant bump in interest from collectors, save maybe the OG XBOX (which baffles me since it has a very good library). So unless a bunch of people jump on board heavily with PS2 collecting or move onto the 7th gen, I don't see collecting expanding much more.
I truly believe that video game collecting has hit a wall and it'll only become less popular, and for the most part less expensive from here on out. I've seen too many correlations for me to believe it is a coincidence or that this collecting trend will last over a decade while none of the others have. Sure, many NES games are still fun to play, but so are reading comics, which had a huge collecting scene in the 90s. On top of that, this assumes that most collectors collect to play, which from what I've seen in person and online is the exception and not the rule. Most video game collectors collect to scratch the itch of nostalgia that becomes harder and harder to satisfy the more games you collect and the deeper you get into the hobby. Eventually, spending nearly a grand on a CIB gem on the NES loses its value. A ton of games sitting on your shelf eventually lose their meaning or at least do not have the same positive reinforcement they did when you first started. Also, as I said, people change as they get older and adopt responsibilities that make being a hardcore collector less achievable financially and logistically.
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I heard retro game prices have peaked, and are beginning a slow decline as of 2016/2017. Examples include earthbound and wild guns. Any truth to this?
These games are no longer being produced. As long as there is demand for these products with a static supply, prices will trend upward over the long term. Econ 101.
That's not necessarily true when it comes to collectibles, though. Collector market bubbles burst, and interest rises and fades with trends and changing generations.
The baseball card market bottoming out in the late 80s is a perfect example. Or the bubble-burst of the comic collector's market in the 90s.
"As long as there is demand...."
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I'd say we're fast approaching the point where many people will stop buying because of the prices. When most consoles start to average $30 - $40 per common/popular game, I can see people finally saying no. If that happens, then things might change.
Fads come and go, so that's another factor. Most of us are generally in the same age range and have been doing this for roughly the same amount of time. A lot of folks will reach a point where the novelty wears off. A lot of us are starting to get a bit older, focusing more on family, career, and whatever trend comes about next because I think this one has just about been done to death. You don't see a lot of tweens and teens getting hardcore into old-school game collecting. So it's gonna happen. Is it there yet? Probably not, but it isn't far off.
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You cannot take the entire market as a whole. You can only use console to region groupings to determine pricing. For example, I can't compare the market of 2600 US vs Genesis US vs Saturn JP vs SNES NA and have them all the same. It doesn't work. It is true that each console/region goes through trends. Atari 2600 US is well past its peak by now and we will see some other consoles pick up the pace (such as PS1 US) and others fall back down such as SMS.
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You cannot take the entire market as a whole. You can only use console to region groupings to determine pricing. For example, I can't compare the market of 2600 US vs Genesis US vs Saturn JP vs SNES NA and have them all the same. It doesn't work. It is true that each console/region goes through trends. Atari 2600 US is well past its peak by now and we will see some other consoles pick up the pace (such as PS1 US) and others fall back down such as SMS.
What about for example SNES NA vs Saturn NA? Saturn was a flop, yet the prices on it are still higher on average than the very nostalgic SNES. PS1 NA was a very popular platform, yet it remains with a lower average of prices. What about more modern platforms with really expensive games like PS2 and GameCube? Even Wii U? That to me is indiciative that you can take them all as a whole. The same people who will pay out big money for a "rare" PS2 game are essentially the same ones collecting SNES. I think most collectors are cross-platform, cross-gen collectors who basically go for most of the mainstream consoles all at once. Everybody is in competition over just about everything, in my view. Hence we've seen averages increase with every platform save 7th gen, since the mid 2000s.
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What about for example SNES NA vs Saturn NA? Saturn was a flop, yet the prices on it are still higher on average than the very nostalgic SNES. PS1 NA was a very popular platform, yet it remains with a lower average of prices. What about more modern platforms with really expensive games like PS2 and GameCube? Even Wii U? That to me is indiciative that you can take them all as a whole. The same people who will pay out big money for a "rare" PS2 game are essentially the same ones collecting SNES. I think most collectors are cross-platform, cross-gen collectors who basically go for most of the mainstream consoles all at once. Everybody is in competition over just about everything, in my view. Hence we've seen averages increase with every platform save 7th gen, since the mid 2000s.
Saturn prices are high (and have been relatively so for many years) due to the limited supply.
All Nintendo games have a popular markup, and their availability (or supply) does not hinder their values. This covers Gamecube.
PS1 is on the rise. I do not consider PS2 to be "the platform with really expensive games." That is to say all PS2 games are expensive (they are not) as the average PS2 game value might be $2. This is in contrast to NES, where the average game value is much higher.
Of course, there are always "1%" titles of any library that are well above the average or "above average" portion of the valuation spectrum. These types of titles cannot be used for overall valuation of the library.
The problem with lumping everything together is not taking into account that the different platforms fluctuate independently. So if you say you are seeing all game prices, on average, increase, you are not taking into account that Atari 2600 prices have fallen and something else has taken up that slack to make up the difference.
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Well you could lump up all systems with simular types of games.
Atari stone age systems
nes sega 8 bit systems
16 bit systems snes till sega saturn
early to mid 3D systems
dreamcast gamecube xbox till ps2 wii
advanced 3D realistic
ps3 xbox 360 onwards
If a market chances for a certain genre of games it has to have some connection since many consoles share simular types of games that people play for such systems.
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What about for example SNES NA vs Saturn NA? Saturn was a flop, yet the prices on it are still higher on average than the very nostalgic SNES. PS1 NA was a very popular platform, yet it remains with a lower average of prices. What about more modern platforms with really expensive games like PS2 and GameCube? Even Wii U? That to me is indiciative that you can take them all as a whole. The same people who will pay out big money for a "rare" PS2 game are essentially the same ones collecting SNES. I think most collectors are cross-platform, cross-gen collectors who basically go for most of the mainstream consoles all at once. Everybody is in competition over just about everything, in my view. Hence we've seen averages increase with every platform save 7th gen, since the mid 2000s.
Saturn prices are high (and have been relatively so for many years) due to the limited supply.
All Nintendo games have a popular markup, and their availability (or supply) does not hinder their values. This covers Gamecube.
PS1 is on the rise. I do not consider PS2 to be "the platform with really expensive games." That is to say all PS2 games are expensive (they are not) as the average PS2 game value might be $2. This is in contrast to NES, where the average game value is much higher.
Of course, there are always "1%" titles of any library that are well above the average or "above average" portion of the valuation spectrum. These types of titles cannot be used for overall valuation of the library.
The problem with lumping everything together is not taking into account that the different platforms fluctuate independently. So if you say you are seeing all game prices, on average, increase, you are not taking into account that Atari 2600 prices have fallen and something else has taken up that slack to make up the difference.
It's my understanding that the Atari collecting boom receded before most other platforms took off. VGPC shows that most consoles began rapid increase in price starting in the late 2000s. While you might consider PS2 games to be cheap compared to SNES, they've still increased a lot since in 7 years. $10, $15, $20 is a lot more than PS2 games were in the late 2000s. PS2 is not 20 years old yet, and has already seen a resurgence of interest in it's library, and the value of it's games while those considered to be uncommon already fetching hundreds of dollars. That's a symptom of game collecting as a whole. 7 years ago it didn't matter if a PS2 was "rare". Now there are Wii U games going for hundreds of dollars because they're "rare".
I'm sticking with my prediction that when it does crash, it will be cross-generation because very few game collectors focus on one particular generation, or one specific console. I think the exception for Atari was that many people who fondly remember Atari from back in the day stopped following the game scene after the 83' crash in NA. Most people I personally know who played Atari, didn't go on to play Nintendo or Sega in the late 80s.
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Interesting topic and replies. The way I see it is the only way prices have peaked is if the economy is about to take a dump. Only a major major recession will crash prices and at that point everything will be cheaper because cash is king in a recession. New collectors will always be coming into the market and others leaving. 20 years from now people will still be collecting these old games because they are still fun. I'm in the process of re-purchasing all the games I sold over the years. I have a 18 month old son now and want to put together a nice game room at my house. I want to have a nice collection to play with my kids and lots of others are like me.
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What about for example SNES NA vs Saturn NA? Saturn was a flop, yet the prices on it are still higher on average than the very nostalgic SNES. PS1 NA was a very popular platform, yet it remains with a lower average of prices. What about more modern platforms with really expensive games like PS2 and GameCube? Even Wii U? That to me is indiciative that you can take them all as a whole. The same people who will pay out big money for a "rare" PS2 game are essentially the same ones collecting SNES. I think most collectors are cross-platform, cross-gen collectors who basically go for most of the mainstream consoles all at once. Everybody is in competition over just about everything, in my view. Hence we've seen averages increase with every platform save 7th gen, since the mid 2000s.
Saturn prices are high (and have been relatively so for many years) due to the limited supply.
All Nintendo games have a popular markup, and their availability (or supply) does not hinder their values. This covers Gamecube.
PS1 is on the rise. I do not consider PS2 to be "the platform with really expensive games." That is to say all PS2 games are expensive (they are not) as the average PS2 game value might be $2. This is in contrast to NES, where the average game value is much higher.
Of course, there are always "1%" titles of any library that are well above the average or "above average" portion of the valuation spectrum. These types of titles cannot be used for overall valuation of the library.
The problem with lumping everything together is not taking into account that the different platforms fluctuate independently. So if you say you are seeing all game prices, on average, increase, you are not taking into account that Atari 2600 prices have fallen and something else has taken up that slack to make up the difference.
and the value of it's games while those considered to be uncommon already fetching hundreds of dollars. That's a symptom of game collecting as a whole. 7 years ago it didn't matter if a PS2 was "rare". Now there are Wii U games going for hundreds of dollars because they're "rare".
There is one misconception about rare games being valuable and the collecting aspect.
Usually the ones that do go for nice money are good excellentgames wich are rare so were not only talking about pure collecting aspect, There are truly rare ps2 games wich are pretty bad yet not really valuable since the games are trash. Bad games are only valuable if the games are superbly rare and hyped for being rare since otherwise none know. Usually far less valuable than more common good rare titles wich go for nice money even if it is known to be rare.
the sega saturn especially the japanese one, the really expensive games are all solid titles that pretty much everyone wants to play just to name one example.
Yes you have daytona link edition for 1 grant but it is hyped and it is considered extemely rare. for this instance you have full set collectors yet for the good games you have allot more people who want to have them
The market for full sets and rare games is allot smaller than people who want to collect games that they want to enjoy. I don't see why any collector who collects games that one could enjoy would need this game unless your going for a full set wich means you would also need all the trash, Or ofcourse the collectors who collect for rarity and value.
There is a very limited market for truly rare items, for the sought after good games the market is allot larger. For expensive rare mediocre games there might just only be a handfull of people who want one.
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What about for example SNES NA vs Saturn NA? Saturn was a flop, yet the prices on it are still higher on average than the very nostalgic SNES. PS1 NA was a very popular platform, yet it remains with a lower average of prices. What about more modern platforms with really expensive games like PS2 and GameCube? Even Wii U? That to me is indiciative that you can take them all as a whole. The same people who will pay out big money for a "rare" PS2 game are essentially the same ones collecting SNES. I think most collectors are cross-platform, cross-gen collectors who basically go for most of the mainstream consoles all at once. Everybody is in competition over just about everything, in my view. Hence we've seen averages increase with every platform save 7th gen, since the mid 2000s.
Saturn prices are high (and have been relatively so for many years) due to the limited supply.
All Nintendo games have a popular markup, and their availability (or supply) does not hinder their values. This covers Gamecube.
PS1 is on the rise. I do not consider PS2 to be "the platform with really expensive games." That is to say all PS2 games are expensive (they are not) as the average PS2 game value might be $2. This is in contrast to NES, where the average game value is much higher.
Of course, there are always "1%" titles of any library that are well above the average or "above average" portion of the valuation spectrum. These types of titles cannot be used for overall valuation of the library.
The problem with lumping everything together is not taking into account that the different platforms fluctuate independently. So if you say you are seeing all game prices, on average, increase, you are not taking into account that Atari 2600 prices have fallen and something else has taken up that slack to make up the difference.
and the value of it's games while those considered to be uncommon already fetching hundreds of dollars. That's a symptom of game collecting as a whole. 7 years ago it didn't matter if a PS2 was "rare". Now there are Wii U games going for hundreds of dollars because they're "rare".
There is one misconception about rare games being valuable and the collecting aspect.
Usually the ones that do go for nice money are good excellentgames wich are rare so were not only talking about pure collecting aspect, There are truly rare ps2 games wich are pretty bad yet not really valuable since the games are trash. Bad games are only valuable if the games are superbly rare and hyped for being rare since otherwise none know. Usually far less valuable than more common good rare titles wich go for nice money even if it is known to be rare.
the sega saturn especially the japanese one, the really expensive games are all solid titles that pretty much everyone wants to play just to name one example.
Yes you have daytona link edition for 1 grant but it is hyped and it is considered extemely rare. for this instance you have full set collectors yet for the good games you have allot more people who want to have them
The market for full sets and rare games is allot smaller than people who want to collect games that they want to enjoy. I don't see why any collector who collects games that one could enjoy would need this game unless your going for a full set wich means you would also need all the trash, Or ofcourse the collectors who collect for rarity and value.
There is a very limited market for truly rare items, for the sought after good games the market is allot larger. For expensive rare mediocre games there might just only be a handfull of people who want one.
But my point is collecting has become a thing that involves all consoles at once. Most consoles didn't have games known to be rare before game collecting took off. It's indicative of the fact that people are collecting for virtually every console now, when every console has infamously rare and expensive games. I'm fairly sure that PS2s expensive games were not put in high demand by those who played them as kids and who want them back.
Some argue that prices will rise and fall between consoles independently, which we haven't seen happen since Atari collecting died off.
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What about for example SNES NA vs Saturn NA? Saturn was a flop, yet the prices on it are still higher on average than the very nostalgic SNES. PS1 NA was a very popular platform, yet it remains with a lower average of prices. What about more modern platforms with really expensive games like PS2 and GameCube? Even Wii U? That to me is indiciative that you can take them all as a whole. The same people who will pay out big money for a "rare" PS2 game are essentially the same ones collecting SNES. I think most collectors are cross-platform, cross-gen collectors who basically go for most of the mainstream consoles all at once. Everybody is in competition over just about everything, in my view. Hence we've seen averages increase with every platform save 7th gen, since the mid 2000s.
Saturn prices are high (and have been relatively so for many years) due to the limited supply.
All Nintendo games have a popular markup, and their availability (or supply) does not hinder their values. This covers Gamecube.
PS1 is on the rise. I do not consider PS2 to be "the platform with really expensive games." That is to say all PS2 games are expensive (they are not) as the average PS2 game value might be $2. This is in contrast to NES, where the average game value is much higher.
Of course, there are always "1%" titles of any library that are well above the average or "above average" portion of the valuation spectrum. These types of titles cannot be used for overall valuation of the library.
The problem with lumping everything together is not taking into account that the different platforms fluctuate independently. So if you say you are seeing all game prices, on average, increase, you are not taking into account that Atari 2600 prices have fallen and something else has taken up that slack to make up the difference.
and the value of it's games while those considered to be uncommon already fetching hundreds of dollars. That's a symptom of game collecting as a whole. 7 years ago it didn't matter if a PS2 was "rare". Now there are Wii U games going for hundreds of dollars because they're "rare".
There is one misconception about rare games being valuable and the collecting aspect.
Usually the ones that do go for nice money are good excellentgames wich are rare so were not only talking about pure collecting aspect, There are truly rare ps2 games wich are pretty bad yet not really valuable since the games are trash. Bad games are only valuable if the games are superbly rare and hyped for being rare since otherwise none know. Usually far less valuable than more common good rare titles wich go for nice money even if it is known to be rare.
the sega saturn especially the japanese one, the really expensive games are all solid titles that pretty much everyone wants to play just to name one example.
Yes you have daytona link edition for 1 grant but it is hyped and it is considered extemely rare. for this instance you have full set collectors yet for the good games you have allot more people who want to have them
The market for full sets and rare games is allot smaller than people who want to collect games that they want to enjoy. I don't see why any collector who collects games that one could enjoy would need this game unless your going for a full set wich means you would also need all the trash, Or ofcourse the collectors who collect for rarity and value.
There is a very limited market for truly rare items, for the sought after good games the market is allot larger. For expensive rare mediocre games there might just only be a handfull of people who want one.
But my point is collecting has become a thing that involves all consoles at once. Most consoles didn't have games known to be rare before game collecting took off. It's indicative of the fact that people are collecting for virtually every console now, when every console has infamously rare and expensive games. I'm fairly sure that PS2s expensive games were not put in high demand by those who played them as kids and who want them back.
Some argue that prices will rise and fall between consoles independently, which we haven't seen happen since Atari collecting died off.
Just one simple example
You could say the same thing about hagane, wild guns for snes. Pretty much none have had those games back in the day yet these games are pretty excellent you cannot deny that.
Allot of people get into snes collecting because there are good games. Unfortunately some of them are rare. and because these are solid games the demand rises put that in combination with collectors who collect not to play the games and you have even higher prices yet multiple buyer groups.
They might not be the best games but they are up there in some cases.
In europe the really expensive ps2 games are excellent shoot em ups and certain rpg's ineteresting survival horror games unique 3D games wich in most cases are excellent games, people who get deeper into collecting want to have certain games a different experience than usual wich some of these games provide. Obviously there are usually also other games wich are cheaper but still people try to also get these. There are a few rarities wich are crap with amounst of only 200 pieces etc yet they fetch only around 50 - 100 euro's because no one wants them yet superbly rare.
Also take shoot em ups for example, why would you pay hundreds of dollars for copies of radiant silver gun or battle garrega musha etc. I'm pretty sure that pretty much no one has ever played those shoot em ups back in the day. Also as far as shootemups go the better games in this genre happen to be super expensive and rare wich pretty much no one played back in the day. Why would people get into those surely it's because of gameplay, afterwards speculators come in the market thanks to the high demand from the players.
Why do the valuable rare games usually happen to be actually good while pretty much no one played them back in the day?
Yes There are truly rare games but you have to consider that many people in this hobby don't give a **** about rare games wich are crap wich does influence the prices.
Atari however is pretty much 100% based upon rarity because the games are a bitt less to be desired. Atari collecting with the rare games are pure collectible the games them selves are not interesting or special at all you will not see people get out of their way to get a rare atari game and play it,
In my opinion your statement has allot of flaws wich don't make to much sense to me, there are plenty of people who also collect to play the games and want them original. Allot of these rare titles were usually not played back in the day because pretty much no one had them. Many titles were not really known back in the day thanks to this. You also have to take into consideration that allot of these rare games are bought by chance in a budget bin and never played because the owners were not really interested in games. I have had allot of deals with people who didn't care about the games at all, even with rare good stuff wich I am very intersted in how they did aquire them in the past. Usually multiple good games at ones as far as that goes.
Also as far as good rare ps2 titles go many of them aren;t even listed in proffesional game stores so just figure how they were sold back in the day.
I see many people who get into this hobby to play the games especially the first party titles and eventually go to the more obsecure good stuff, I will say that i see far less collectors who want to have the mediocre rare games not to many to be honest. Sure people will keep the rare games for anything goes collectors and treasure them because collectors hype them as rare but they would not spend nice money on those.
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But my point is collecting has become a thing that involves all consoles at once.
That is only because the market is currently dominated by those types of collectors and sellers. Once the idea became that ALL games were valuable (ignoring supply or demand) you have many people who are buying, collecting and selling everything, which is currently what is driving the market. When this "crash" happens, those types will be the ones getting out.
The truly valuable games are a smaller percentage of each console's library and will always command a higher than average price. When the crash happens, those games prices will fall too, but they will still remain above the average for their console. Focused collectors will still stay in the market because it makes sense for them to do so. So you may not see too big of a drop on NES or PCE markets as compared to others were there is not a ton of dedicated console collectors.
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Oh hey, its this topic again! I think I'll try to provide a different answer, just to keep things interesting.
I think that retro collecting will be a thing that 12 to 21 year olds get into in the near term future. It seems that, online at least, they have a good respect for this stuff. When I first discovered stuff like Gamefaqs back in the day, my degenerate 15 year old mind was opened to a whole load of video game things I hadn't known of before- and today's kids are just soaking in it. The internet is really kind to nostalgia and making people appreciate other people's childhoods. "Oh no, thats old", is something I never see people saying either online or off. When my younger family members are over its always more along the lines of "Wow, you have an N64!" As these kids get money, I think they will spend some on older games and retrons and such, provided they don't get priced out of the market. They're also lucky enough that, due to how long the seventh generation was, their "childhood" games are only one or two gens back and the super popular ones are still absurdly cheap. Of course I'd also say that the boom period is over in North America-prices seem to have visibly leveled off over the past half year. But that doesn't mean I think they'll be collapsing anytime soon- not on CIB games with any level of interest or rarity anyway.
However, thats a short term thing and the kids who come after them, though they might play retro games, probably won't give too much of a thought to owning physical media. Think of it as being like reel to reel films. Is it a good movie you'd want to see? Sure. Is it the way it was originally shown? Sure. Is the player right there next to it, also for sale at a reasonable price? Sure. And yet such things do not go for much in my experience. There's just little interest in the hassle and bother of such a set up when a download is so much easier. And thats only going to get more and more true as your 30 year old NES and games turn 40 and then 50, etc. Nintendium is a funny joke but these systems and games are going to start breaking one of these days, heck they already have, and thats going to frustrate a lot of people. Long term I see the retro fandom going more towards interest being dedicated to the games themselves and less to the hardware. Thats good for me, (I am a physical collector who's sick of the unnaturally high prices on common Nintendo titles,) but its good for the future players too- they'll have to put far less money up to buy into the hobby.
I also think that there's going to be, among game analyzers, a fine line between "classic" game design and "modern" game design. And thats going to be somewhere around the 5th/6th generation limit, with certain titles from both gens being on the "wrong" side, depending on how forward or backward thinking they were. Of course hindsight is 20/20 and PS2 linear shooters might join Mario 64 platforming in the dustbin of history, but I don't think they will. Thats relevant to this discussion too- old but "modern" games are going to offer less incentive to people looking for something they can't find in whatever the current release market looks like and might have lower prices because of it, despite being just as old as today's retro games are to us. Of course, conversely, the indie scene is pumping out loads of games that are just like 8/16 bit games but with fewer technical limitations. For all I know, the mere thought that these older games are out of date or in "dead genres" might be me showing how out of touch I am, compared to today's market.
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The internet is really kind to nostalgia and making people appreciate other people's childhoods. "Oh no, thats old", is something I never see people saying either online or off. When my younger family members are over its always more along the lines of "Wow, you have an N64!" As these kids get money, I think they will spend some on older games and retrons and such, provided they don't get priced out of the market. They're also lucky enough that, due to how long the seventh generation was, their "childhood" games are only one or two gens back and the super popular ones are still absurdly cheap. Of course I'd also say that the boom period is over in North America-prices seem to have visibly leveled off over the past half year. But that doesn't mean I think they'll be collapsing anytime soon- not on CIB games with any level of interest or rarity anyway.
This is true, but the "new old games" are still getting overlooked. Most of the so called rare games in my collection were purchased in store bargain bins or on clearance. Nobody wanted the damn things!! Now people are always on the lookout for the classics.
Target is still my place of choice to shop for older games. Most of the games drop down to $20 or less within 6 months or so.
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I've been keeping track of this plateau and decline on pricecharting and there definitely seems to be a noticeable dip or flatline of prices on retro games lately. Given there are only a few months of recent data to support this so this still might be a natural decline, but considering it is spread over every retro system I looked up for NES and newer, I definitely am thinking there is a shift happening. We'll see how this develops over the course of the year, but some interesting theories as to why this is happening are bound to come up.
My own theory is that we are finally reaching that point where there are finally enough of most games to meet demand or maybe even too many games. Not enough new collectors are entering the hobby, and if anything a lot are leaving or downsizing. Could this be the start of the infamous crash that some have been talking about for several years now?
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I sure hope you're right!
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LOL this thread kind of aged like milk. :P
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It's probably going to drop somewhat after covid
However it will be interesting to see if things especially the actual rare uncommon sought after stuff will return to prices prior to covid or still a sizable chunk above that.
That being said super common stuff like pokemon. I really doubt that's going to stay skyhigh considering how common allot of the stuff is.
having a stack 6 cib pokemon games even ds being worth close 1000$ is just madness :o
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LOL this thread kind of aged like milk. :P
It does make me wonder what the market would look like had COVID not happened. So many industries and hobbies saw a big spike directly correlated to it.
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COVID was just hella rocket fuel in the never ending journey to the moon that had already taken off.
More stuff, maybe like 10% of every library is becoming priced out of realistic affordability to a large swatch of the collector crowd. CIB collecting is pretty damn well foolish for about 50% of retro collecting now. Like between gen 3 and 6, how many games are over $100 right now? Hundreds of them. I noticed something of a bidding war going on between people clamoring to pay $1500 for a copy of Stunt Racer N64 complete. That kinda stuff blows my mind.
Who in their sane mind would pay that much for a single N64 game just to pad out their collection? Obviously the insanely wealthy, or the insanely stupid. It's just another copy of another old video game that you'll probably never bother to play, and you've got $1500 to piss away on it? I'd feel so stupid and guilty, if I did that. I already feel guilty when I pay a couple hundred for one here and there. Because I know even if I played it start to finish and thought it was great, it wasn't worth that. Was never meant to be. That kind of money could serve me better in literally almost any other way. Unless they're honestly investing in the hope that it'll be worth a much larger fortune someday. Who knows, but I wouldn't bank that hard on it.
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COVID was just hella rocket fuel in the never ending journey to the moon that had already taken off.
More stuff, maybe like 10% of every library is becoming priced out of realistic affordability to a large swatch of the collector crowd. CIB collecting is pretty damn well foolish for about 50% of retro collecting now. Like between gen 3 and 6, how many games are over $100 right now? Hundreds of them. I noticed something of a bidding war going on between people clamoring to pay $1500 for a copy of Stunt Racer N64 complete. That kinda stuff blows my mind.
Who in their sane mind would pay that much for a single N64 game just to pad out their collection? Obviously the insanely wealthy, or the insanely stupid.
Investors are probably laughing right now when people laughed at them for buying sealed pokemon games even as short as 1-2 years ago let alone the ones that started earlier :o
Factory sealed pokemon red selling ungraded for 8 to 10K. that stuff was well under 1000$ even 2 years ago
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About the pokemon games : fairly sure i still have a bunch sealed Ds games at my parents place of aleast one version or the other since i usually bought both versions when they came out.
Pretty sure my dutch box language versions would be going for a lot less money then american versions, same with french and german versions for that matter.
pokemon red/blue/yellow doubt a sealed pal copy would be going for even close to what an american version would go for.
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The r/gamecollecting subreddit is a good place to get a feel for what's happening now anyway, even if you're not there for the drama. Every other post is "What should I collect for next" and "I'm 12 years old, how am I doing?"
This tells me there is a surplus of people who just started collecting in the last year and have no actual investment in the hobby other than "bored at home with disposable cash" and "my parents handed down their collection to me so now I'm a collector" (read: My parents aren't in to it anymore, and my collection will be sold when I go to college/move out and have to pay my own rent in a few years).
I think this bubble will burst soon when all these temporary collectors get out of the game, especially when the youtubers all burn out and stop making retro collecting vids.
I'd wager most of us here have been in this hobby for years, if not decades (I started "collecting" as early as 1991). We're in it for the long run, and are (to the best of our abilities) patient. But the new comers just want to grab the expensive stuff/heavy hitters, post their "hauls on the instatwits", and are willing to pay too much for the stuff we grabbed at launch or in bulk in discount bins. They won't stick around and in 5-10 years all that inventory is going to flood ebay again. I don't know what that will do for prices, especially for the heavy hitters, but at least we'll have more choice.
Anecdotally I've seen more availability on ebay lately, but haven't been to a shop in a long time. Next month I plan to blow my budget at a few local places; which I'm surprised actually survived to be honest, I know some local places didn't.
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IF You want retro video games and legal retro games? than I'd recommend buying a PC. Because a lot of retro PC games can be bought digitally and there are no hard restrictions when putting them onto a backup external hard drive. Unlike a 2 of the current day consoles where the game depends on an active server for ALL your complete purchases (CHARGED AT FULL PIRCE) YOU NEED PATCHES for most modern games to even run properly and they might not be available forever
I met a man who bought a brand NEW PS4 Console AND and a NEW game but never got to it yet because he has a full time job he told me.
First off unlike on consoles their is a TON of free of charge online support group for older PC gamers, yes 99% of PC is all digital now but? there are easier ways around to getting modern OR retro PC digtial games to work or to future proof them IF whenever Steam or GOG ever goes offline.
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About the pokemon games : fairly sure i still have a bunch sealed Ds games at my parents place of aleast one version or the other since i usually bought both versions when they came out.
Pretty sure my dutch box language versions would be going for a lot less money then american versions, same with french and german versions for that matter.
pokemon red/blue/yellow doubt a sealed pal copy would be going for even close to what an american version would go for.
Was talking about US versions with that comment
That being said There are stores in my countries that give 100 euro's for a cib dutch pokemon platinum instantly wich is 120 $ you can get more by actually selling it yourselves. they give even more for black 2 and white 2 and much more for heartgold soulsilver. I'd argue germany and french having a simular situation. and they don't differentiate between good to amazing condition
Very simular to USA prices with those examples prices can differ between titles but it's pretty insane in europe aswell.
as far as dutch english boxed factory sealed pal copies goes
It's hard to tell really considering they are really rare to find factory sealed you'll find usa version sealed in europe far more easy let alone that most deals especially in europe don't happen on ebay in wich prices are far harder to track down. let alone that even with outside sourcers not easy to track them down unlike factory sealed american examples.
You only see few pal factory sealed copies while you can easily find a dozen of usa versions.
Before the boom the prices where however really simular to US versions as in well below 1000$ for a factory sealed dutch english boxed version wich was crazy at the time. slightly higher for pal copies I'd argue since they have far less quantities.
I can only find one factory sealed copy of an english boxed version of a pal version on ebay for roughly 9K
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154415705107?hash=item23f3e4ac13%3Ag%3AZvAAAOSw87hgWNMB&LH_ItemCondition=1000
one dutch english copy being sold for 8K but graded. way higher than 2 years ago though, it was only less than 1000 than although I've seen some really high graded ones go for 1500 even more years back. sealed always had crazy values just not this crazy
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VGA-85-NM-FACTORY-SEALED-POKEMON-RED-GAMEBOY-GAME-PAL-UK-CHARIZARD-HOLY-GRAIL-/324577320206?hash=item4b9250dd0e%3Ag%3AF9UAAOSwysBgezyU&nma=true&si=K8d9TyC8Oh2xSTeVmvyyvr82K0Q%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
pokemon yellow is really simular to brand new us prices kinda odd imo that red & blue are far more valuable while pokemon yellow sold at the very least 50% less copies.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pokemon-Yellow-Version-For-Gameboy-Special-Pikachu-Edition-/324559810597?hash=item4b9145b025%3Ag%3AXycAAOSwYHdgbcKp&LH_ItemCondition=1000&nma=true&si=K8d9TyC8Oh2xSTeVmvyyvr82K0Q%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
italian copies and such have far less value sure. but if the language is either dutch english or french the value is usually among the top. even germany nowadays seems to be in the uprise since it's usually far more common over there if where talking lower but still high values.
well at least in general with the more normal collectibles
with say snes and nes French language is usually far far more pricy than Uk english version. with snes english are strangely enough usually not the most pricy option and where talking 50 or 100+ % price increase for cib copies.
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Video games are the newest commodity, so let all these improvident simpletons fritter their money away, I sure as hell can put it to better use. Their lack of common sense and control is lining up my pockets, and I'm enjoying every minute of it.
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before this thread was even made video games were high. they have been pretty high since 2013...at least in the US
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There are certain factors that have exacerbated prices now (i.e. pandemic craze); but yeah, fur the most part you're right.
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before this thread was even made video games were high. they have been pretty high since 2013...at least in the US
People were bitching back in 2008 in honesty.
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before this thread was even made video games were high. they have been pretty high since 2013...at least in the US
People were bitching back in 2008 in honesty.
It's all relative. I remember getting pissed at $20 Gamecube games at the Flea Market that now sell for hundreds back in 2010. That's because back then no one gave a shit about sixth gen games and per practically giving them away. A decade prior and before I began collecting people were buying NES games like Samson and Flintstones for a buck and no one cared mostly. So when someone tried to charge $30 for either of those games they were laughed at. Funny how silly those people that laughed at them feel now.
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before this thread was even made video games were high. they have been pretty high since 2013...at least in the US
People were bitching back in 2008 in honesty.
It's all relative. I remember getting pissed at $20 Gamecube games at the Flea Market that now sell for hundreds back in 2010. That's because back then no one gave a shit about sixth gen games and per practically giving them away. A decade prior and before I began collecting people were buying NES games like Samson and Flintstones for a buck and no one cared mostly. So when someone tried to charge $30 for either of those games they were laughed at. Funny how silly those people that laughed at them feel now.
Definitely but it's no suprise considering gamecube deals where everywhere it was so easy to get those deals so why bother to spend that amount of money
Still I've heard that even in the early 2000's games like Bonk's adventure nes had some value among collectors. like instead of a few $ it was 10, 20 or 30$ carts not to mention complete with boxes and manual had almost identical value. those amounts where however seen as crazy expensive back than though. obviously plenty of people who gave them away for almost nothing but for the rarest or good games there was still some niche market for it even if it's pocket money compared to now. Still that was just the easy way to get those games from resellers but at a back than premium price.
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before this thread was even made video games were high. they have been pretty high since 2013...at least in the US
People were bitching back in 2008 in honesty.
It's all relative. I remember getting pissed at $20 Gamecube games at the Flea Market that now sell for hundreds back in 2010. That's because back then no one gave a shit about sixth gen games and per practically giving them away. A decade prior and before I began collecting people were buying NES games like Samson and Flintstones for a buck and no one cared mostly. So when someone tried to charge $30 for either of those games they were laughed at. Funny how silly those people that laughed at them feel now.
Definitely but it's no suprise considering gamecube deals where everywhere it was so easy to get those deals so why bother to spend that amount of money
Still I've heard that even in the early 2000's games like Bonk's adventure nes had some value among collectors. like instead of a few $ it was 10, 20 or 30$ carts not to mention complete with boxes and manual had almost identical value. those amounts where however seen as crazy expensive back than though. obviously plenty of people who gave them away for almost nothing but for the rarest or good games there was still some niche market for it even if it's pocket money compared to now. Still that was just the easy way to get those games from resellers but at a back than premium price.
They definitely did, even Samson was like $50 on ebay back then. The difference was that so few people were after those games that if you looked hard enough at flea markets and thrift stores you'd likely find them at some point. When I got back into collecting I found good stuff at thrift stores and my local flea market all the time. Mostly because the stuff I was after wasn't sought after by many. Fastforward just a few years and games like Goldeneye, Windwaker, or Melee which I used to find often wouldn't last five minutes at these same places. More people jumped in, demand took off, resellers found a new market, and prices went through the roof.
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before this thread was even made video games were high. they have been pretty high since 2013...at least in the US
I don't think I would call 2013 prices high. There weren't dirt cheap anymore, but now it's like there's so many games that are seriously no longer affordable by standards of many. This is no longer "I don't want to pay anything for these games, they should be pocket change" it's more "I can't spend that kind of money and also pay rent or eat".
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This is no longer "I don't want to pay anything for these games, they should be pocket change" it's more "I can't spend that kind of money and also pay rent or eat".
I find it's become more "I don't feel I'm going to get my money's worth out of this" and/or "If I'm going to spend that much, I'd much rather get XXXX".
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before this thread was even made video games were high. they have been pretty high since 2013...at least in the US
I don't think I would call 2013 prices high. There weren't dirt cheap anymore, but now it's like there's so many games that are seriously no longer affordable by standards of many. This is no longer "I don't want to pay anything for these games, they should be pocket change" it's more "I can't spend that kind of money and also pay rent or eat".
While your certainly right for the actual pricy stuff, I've heard this far to much with values below the 50$ range
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before this thread was even made video games were high. they have been pretty high since 2013...at least in the US
I don't think I would call 2013 prices high. There weren't dirt cheap anymore, but now it's like there's so many games that are seriously no longer affordable by standards of many. This is no longer "I don't want to pay anything for these games, they should be pocket change" it's more "I can't spend that kind of money and also pay rent or eat".
While your certainly right for the actual pricy stuff, I've heard this far to much with values below the 50$ range
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The more expensive the games get, the less feasible it is to collect them, independent of whether $35 seems a "reasonable" price tag for any given title. When retro prices start to mirror that of new release prices, the budget for retro collecting gets way tighter. How many new releases are you dropping full MSPR on each week? Each month? Your retro game pick-ups will start to look very similar to that in pace. Some folks can't swing both, and understandably so.
Remember that a lot of collectors jumped on this wagon initially because buying old games was a cheap alternative to buying new games, and it's fun to collect things easily and inexpensively. But when many old games start to trend between $20 and $50 let alone all the really expensive ones now, the story changes.
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If the CIA and the FBI can get involved we yet may still be able to collect NEW AND OLD games for our children and grandchildren and their children and grandchildren to play, in the future, instead of them gaming industry taking away the games when they feel like it. The earth has limited resources and we don't need them PS4 PS5 consoles in landfills because SONY (as an example) would/might refuses to support them in the future when they want the new gen to take in effect. That is bad planning and it is down right hazardous even for the economy world wide
Let's have digital and physical or else all is lost, and I am crazy for making this post and I know it :-\
why this obsurd post? what are we doing and what do you think will happen to all those digital license only discs when the servers are shutdown or can no longer run for any kind of reason :'(
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before this thread was even made video games were high. they have been pretty high since 2013...at least in the US
I don't think I would call 2013 prices high. There weren't dirt cheap anymore, but now it's like there's so many games that are seriously no longer affordable by standards of many. This is no longer "I don't want to pay anything for these games, they should be pocket change" it's more "I can't spend that kind of money and also pay rent or eat".
While your certainly right for the actual pricy stuff, I've heard this far to much with values below the 50$ range
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/73/03/51/7303510f7883bb20ccabd4e97fc97d77.gif)
The more expensive the games get, the less feasible it is to collect them, independent of whether $35 seems a "reasonable" price tag for any given title. When retro prices start to mirror that of new release prices, the budget for retro collecting gets way tighter. How many new releases are you dropping full MSPR on each week? Each month? Your retro game pick-ups will start to look very similar to that in pace. Some folks can't swing both, and understandably so.
Remember that a lot of collectors jumped on this wagon initially because buying old games was a cheap alternative to buying new games, and it's fun to collect things easily and inexpensively. But when many old games start to trend between $20 and $50 let alone all the really expensive ones now, the story changes.
It happens a hell lot more during new releases who says I was just talking retro ;D
It's hilarious when people tell they had to cancel pre orders because they otherwise had to live on cup noodles for the next month. I get money can be tight but why post it, That's just asking for laughter because it's usually written in the most dramatic way. I guess there are allot of people in this hobby that are less fortunate but at such small amounts you only look dog-poor towards the rest when you post such things.
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Still speaking of retro, comments about people having to sell organs or mortgaging their house to get 100$ games. It's obviously a joke but those comments always make my day. I have rarely seen people make those comments with the actual grails lol. it happens a hell lot more with the lower end stuff that people can actually reach (and in most cases easily afford or planning to buy in the near future ) ::)
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If the CIA and the FBI can get involved we yet may still be able to collect NEW AND OLD games for our children and grandchildren and their children and grandchildren to play, in the future, instead of them gaming industry taking away the games when they feel like it. The earth has limited resources and we don't need them PS4 PS5 consoles in landfills because SONY (as an example) would/might refuses to support them in the future when they want the new gen to take in effect. That is bad planning and it is down right hazardous even for the economy world wide
Let's have digital and physical or else all is lost, and I am crazy for making this post and I know it :-\
why this obsurd post? what are we doing and what do you think will happen to all those digital license only discs when the servers are shutdown or can no longer run for any kind of reason :'(
Aaaaand back. The CIA and FBI have no interest in preserving video games, music, or anything like that. it's not their job. Most younger people now don't care about preservation sadly, they prefer the convenience of digital, streaming, etc. There are no stores where I live, outside a few small specialty shops, that cell CD's anymore. Movies are headed that same direction, and video games as well. It;s the sad reality, but it's the reality. No crimes are being broken here.
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If the CIA and the FBI can get involved we yet may still be able to collect NEW AND OLD games for our children and grandchildren and their children and grandchildren to play, in the future, instead of them gaming industry taking away the games when they feel like it. The earth has limited resources and we don't need them PS4 PS5 consoles in landfills because SONY (as an example) would/might refuses to support them in the future when they want the new gen to take in effect. That is bad planning and it is down right hazardous even for the economy world wide
Let's have digital and physical or else all is lost, and I am crazy for making this post and I know it :-\
why this obsurd post? what are we doing and what do you think will happen to all those digital license only discs when the servers are shutdown or can no longer run for any kind of reason :'(
Aaaaand back. The CIA and FBI have no interest in preserving video games, music, or anything like that. it's not their job. Most younger people now don't care about preservation sadly, they prefer the convenience of digital, streaming, etc. There are no stores where I live, outside a few small specialty shops, that cell CD's anymore. Movies are headed that same direction, and video games as well. It;s the sad reality, but it's the reality. No crimes are being broken here.
without stores there is no economy, no economy mean sadness depression, and vary few jobs or reason to leave your house and have a family outing. and no where or place of possessions to call your own, streaming service has all or mostly bootleg shit, on it, and not the original artist, that is why I collect music games and some movies, because I don't ever use all that free shit, sorry but it's shit, and it's only good for some genres of music not most or even the decent stuff is not on it. not to argue I agree with you Wolf! but them kids don't know what's good, I do, and I say that free stuff 98% of it is just 2nd hand garbage and those bands that cover for those OG artists don't even sound close to the master recordings you can luckily still purchase NEW from stores like Walmart and BOTH off and online best of both worlds
Sometimes YouTube is best for finding something new, or getting the word out there, but this world is so twisted up now I hope it gets better and we can have best of both worlds
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If the CIA and the FBI can get involved we yet may still be able to collect NEW AND OLD games for our children and grandchildren and their children and grandchildren to play, in the future, instead of them gaming industry taking away the games when they feel like it. The earth has limited resources and we don't need them PS4 PS5 consoles in landfills because SONY (as an example) would/might refuses to support them in the future when they want the new gen to take in effect. That is bad planning and it is down right hazardous even for the economy world wide
Let's have digital and physical or else all is lost, and I am crazy for making this post and I know it :-\
why this obsurd post? what are we doing and what do you think will happen to all those digital license only discs when the servers are shutdown or can no longer run for any kind of reason :'(
Aaaaand back. The CIA and FBI have no interest in preserving video games, music, or anything like that. it's not their job. Most younger people now don't care about preservation sadly, they prefer the convenience of digital, streaming, etc. There are no stores where I live, outside a few small specialty shops, that cell CD's anymore. Movies are headed that same direction, and video games as well. It;s the sad reality, but it's the reality. No crimes are being broken here.
without stores there is no economy, no economy mean sadness depression, and vary few jobs or reason to leave your house and have a family outing.
"no stores where I live, outside a few small specialty shops, that [ s ]ell CD's anymore"
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why this obsurd post? what are we doing and what do you think will happen to all those digital license only discs when the servers are shutdown or can no longer run for any kind of reason :'(
It's good for the enviroment not to mention those consoles and discs ain't going to go to waste 99% is going to be recycled and turned into something else anyway not much is truly lost.
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If the CIA and the FBI can get involved we yet may still be able to collect NEW AND OLD games for our children and grandchildren and their children and grandchildren to play, in the future, instead of them gaming industry taking away the games when they feel like it. The earth has limited resources and we don't need them PS4 PS5 consoles in landfills because SONY (as an example) would/might refuses to support them in the future when they want the new gen to take in effect. That is bad planning and it is down right hazardous even for the economy world wide
Let's have digital and physical or else all is lost, and I am crazy for making this post and I know it :-\
why this obsurd post? what are we doing and what do you think will happen to all those digital license only discs when the servers are shutdown or can no longer run for any kind of reason :'(
Aaaaand back. The CIA and FBI have no interest in preserving video games, music, or anything like that. it's not their job. Most younger people now don't care about preservation sadly, they prefer the convenience of digital, streaming, etc. There are no stores where I live, outside a few small specialty shops, that cell CD's anymore. Movies are headed that same direction, and video games as well. It;s the sad reality, but it's the reality. No crimes are being broken here.
without stores there is no economy, no economy mean sadness depression, and vary few jobs or reason to leave your house and have a family outing.
"no stores where I live, outside a few small specialty shops, that [ s ]ell CD's anymore"
Thanks for taking the time to correct my typo...
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It's one thing to be an old soul and prefer the bygone way of things, and then another to shill for a soulless corporation like Walmart. That company is responsible for the demise of more retail business in the U.S. pre-Internet than probably anyone else. They brought in the cheap import crap and sold it at cut throat prices for decades. They helped lower the bar for consumer goods and they drove out countless smaller businesses that could not compete with the appeal of a massive big box warehouse full of cheap junk.
Walmart, Amazon, etc. Unfortunately it's all just the way of capitalism, and there's a logical if somewhat troubling conclusion to that system. Without systemic change we're all on track to earn far less of the world's total wealth than our parents, and our children far less than us, as more is concentrated to the top. Unfortunately we live in a world where the philosophy is somehow thinking money is the goal, rather than the means. We're greedy by nature, and it's also our downfall. But this rant is getting way off topic and I'm not delving into the politics...
I heard video game prices haven't peaked.
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without stores there is no economy, no economy mean sadness depression, and vary few jobs or reason to leave your house and have a family outing.
"no stores where I live, outside a few small specialty shops, that [ s ]ell CD's anymore"
Thanks for taking the time to correct my typo...
It's not about the typo, it's about oldgamerz only responding to the first part of the sentence and how there are "no stores".
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It's kinda interesting how this hasn't been brought up
In them recent times factory sealed graded games of pretty common games have gone for insane prices. previously some games could buy you a car nowadays you can buy a pretty nice house ::)
Mario bros for over 500K
zelda nes for over 800K
Mario 64 for a whopping 1.5M :o
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2021/7/super-mario-64-game-fetches-1-5m-at-auction-breaking-record-667309 (https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2021/7/super-mario-64-game-fetches-1-5m-at-auction-breaking-record-667309)
Supreme condition or not those prices seem like madness to me.
Even the snes ps1 dev console didn't sell for those amounts at just 300K a significant piece of gaming history. Seems like a steal compared to the common stuff that is sold at these heritage auctions.
it's kinda funny how even just a few years back people where already saying that 10 - 50K was insane for a stadium events or them NWC cardridges wich where at the very least legitamtely rare yet going for a fraction. I wonder if these sales are legit. and if they are why the hell didn't these people buy copies of mario 64 factory sealed for a mere fraction elsewhere this can't be natural ::)
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It's kinda interesting how this hasn't been brought up
In them recent times factory sealed graded games of pretty common games have gone for insane prices. previously some games could buy you a car nowadays you can buy a pretty nice house ::)
Mario bros for over 500K
zelda nes for over 800K
Mario 64 for a whopping 1.5M :o
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2021/7/super-mario-64-game-fetches-1-5m-at-auction-breaking-record-667309 (https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2021/7/super-mario-64-game-fetches-1-5m-at-auction-breaking-record-667309)
Supreme condition or not those prices seem like madness to me.
Even the snes ps1 dev console didn't sell for those amounts at just 300K a significant piece of gaming history. Seems like a steal compared to the common stuff that is sold at these heritage auctions.
it's kinda funny how even just a few years back people where already saying that 10 - 50K was insane for a stadium events or them NWC cardridges wich where at the very least legitamtely rare yet going for a fraction. I wonder if these sales are legit. and if they are why the hell didn't these people buy copies of mario 64 factory sealed for a mere fraction elsewhere this can't be natural ::)
All of those are (allegedly) money laundering rackets. The problem with that is it makes the mouth-breathing dummies who don't know better think they're sitting on a damn gold mine when they aren't. :P
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Yeah, I don't believe for a second anyone would pay those prices. The word is that auctioneer has been accused a fraudulent practices many times before. It might be worth that if it's still sealed and intact 600 years in the future, but not today.
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Yeah, I don't believe for a second anyone would pay those prices. The word is that auctioneer has been accused a fraudulent practices many times before. It might be worth that if it's still sealed and intact 600 years in the future, but not today.
i doubt it especially when it's graded probably stored in a bank vault. also with the mentality of value today I don't see it getting lost. Maybe if it becomes worthless in the future but when it's rare 600 years later as a result of that it wouldn't really matter since nobody cared at that point.
I also highly doubt even raw sealed games are going to evaporate/ degrade in 600 years within normal living conditions. In an old shed sure but what serious collector stores there collection in a poorly isolated shed anything would end up damaged in those conditions even things that are build to last.
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Yeah, I don't believe for a second anyone would pay those prices. The word is that auctioneer has been accused a fraudulent practices many times before. It might be worth that if it's still sealed and intact 600 years in the future, but not today.
i doubt it especially when it's graded probably stored in a bank vault. also with the mentality of value today I don't see it getting lost. Maybe if it becomes worthless in the future but when it's rare 600 years later as a result of that it wouldn't really matter since nobody cared at that point.
I also highly doubt even raw sealed games are going to evaporate/ degrade in 600 years within normal living conditions. In an old shed sure but what serious collector stores there collection in a poorly isolated shed anything would end up damaged in those conditions even things that are build to last.
There was the one guy on YT who infamously did just that, and even posted a video about how his entire collection got ruined while in a cruddy old garden shed. I've never put my stuff in a shed, even a well built and climate controlled one. The things I value, belong in the security of my own home.
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A disaster can occur where the paper portions of a game collection can get ruined. You then need to decide whether or not it is worth to even keep the plastic and electronic part of a cartridge that is inside. I've had to make that decision before... there is really nothing you can do in that instance, your item will be immediately worthless. It doesn't have the same type of novelty as those VCS carts that were dug out of the Atari landfill.
And while my experience wasn't on the scale of a major disaster, just think about all of the video game collections that get damaged by major floods. Everytime I see a news story about a town getting a flood, I immediately think about that there is a collector of something that lived there and lost all their stuff. :'(
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A disaster can occur where the paper portions of a game collection can get ruined. You then need to decide whether or not it is worth to even keep the plastic and electronic part of a cartridge that is inside. I've had to make that decision before... there is really nothing you can do in that instance, your item will be immediately worthless. It doesn't have the same type of novelty as those VCS carts that were dug out of the Atari landfill.
And while my experience wasn't on the scale of a major disaster, just think about all of the video game collections that get damaged by major floods. Everytime I see a news story about a town getting a flood, I immediately think about that there is a collector of something that lived there and lost all their stuff. :'(
Sure but considering the amount of people that take it super seriously these days I really doubt a sizable chunk will actually vanish thanks to some disaster so many people doing it after all.