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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: soera on July 12, 2017, 05:01:02 pm
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So there is a thread on another forum I visit that pertains to PS4. One person mentioned that there was a game they were looking for but wouldnt mention the game itself cause "they dont want everyone out there looking for it". I offered to help this person find the game and the response was basically that once they find it, they will let people know the name of it but until then, its no go. Like omg wtf? I dont understand this frame of mind. Why do people in gaming communities tend to try to keep secrets? Its definitely not the first time this ... mentality ... has popped up but today was straight against me trying to help.
Ive heard about people who have "private" collections that no one knows about. Its an oddity to me.
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So there is a thread on another forum I visit that pertains to PS4. One person mentioned that there was a game they were looking for but wouldnt mention the game itself cause "they dont want everyone out there looking for it". I offered to help this person find the game and the response was basically that once they find it, they will let people know the name of it but until then, its no go. Like omg wtf? I dont understand this frame of mind. Why do people in gaming communities tend to try to keep secrets? Its definitely not the first time this ... mentality ... has popped up but today was straight against me trying to help.
Ive heard about people who have "private" collections that no one knows about. Its an oddity to me.
Not much for conspiracy theories?
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People are weird. They're also afraid they've got the inside scoop about what is rare. "If I let anyone know, then everyone will be hunting for it."
We're a little insulated on this forum. There aren't too many crazies. I say that loosely. We're all a little nuts or we would stockpile all these games. :P
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Thats definitely weird and alitte rude also but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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To be fair
Word to word goes a long way even if you only tell it to a few
From my own experience I have noticed some valuable rare games being harder to find and sold for high prices wich originally only few people including me knew about, that's pretty anoying if you would ask me definitely something to watch out for.
I fully understand the reason behind being very shady about unknown good or rare games very logical thanks to the very competitive market. If word comes out the prices of that so called game could sky rocket in the black market and more importantly more people who will try to hunt for that game.
Also to be fair most people are not informed about more uncommon stuff hence why deals can still be made if you know what your doing, and ofcourse the ocasional luck for the more mainstream stuff.
If you have experienced it yourselves It's not really a crazy thing to take into consideration mouth to mouth goes a long way you never know what the next person would do with the info and it might just spread like wildfire.
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If it's a famous YouTuber that says it's a cool game, it goes up in value.
Maybe some people just think they're opinion is as important as the YouTubers'.
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Like all other hobbies, especially ones around collecting, there are a lot of personality disorders out there. Whether it is like the guy you mentioned who is paranoid that the price of some random game is going to spike because he said its name in a small forum, people doing "how did I do?" pickup posts, people lying about the deals they get, or hoarding specific games to hike the value up, I've seen some shit since I began collecting. Sadly, I feel like every other collector I've personally know has had some toxic element to them as a collector for the reasons above and others.
I cannot say I'm completely innocent though; from around the time I began heavily collecting until probably 2014ish, I refused to tell local people where I found my deals and was very secretive about it. I mostly didn't want people pouching the games at the places where I found my deals, which despite my efforts people found out about them in the end anyways. Now I don't give two shits if people know where I found a deal because everyone already knows about all the spots that used to be good for deals.
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I can kinda relate to the guy keep the secret I don't usually let people know of my normal haunts locally. On the internet, I honestly don't care. But I also have a group of collectors that I run with here. We make a lot of road trips when we can on the weekend. So I don't mind sharing as long as they keep their filthy hands off of Dreamcast games I'm missing. And I work 6 days a week so sometimes I can't get out. So it's not uncommon for one of them to pick up stuff I'm looking for at a good price.
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As far as I know, I don't have competition where I live, but then again, there really aren't too many places too hunt. With that in mind, I would understand having a bit of a rivalry with other people that are also hunting for games, and not telling them where you're getting your stuff from. But even then, it's a matter of time until they find out, and more often than not it tends to be sooner than later. In the end, that kind of behavior truly is an exercise in futility. But to each their own, as they say.
This mentality can also be seen on some YouTubers. In one of his "breaking the seal" videos Radical Reggie mentioned having bought the game he opened online, but that he wouldn't reveal where because he still wanted to get more stuff from there, implying he didn't want others to potentially buy whatever he wanted. I tried to find the video in question, but after watching two or three I just couldn't be bothered anymore. I don't remember the game that he opened, but I recognized that he had bought it from an online retailer called GameQuestDirect, known as dealtavern on eBay and Amazon.
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For basic game hunting, I think it's a little extreme, but in certain smaller circles, it'd be completely understandable.
For instance, I'm also a trader and collector for the game Team Fortress 2. Some of the items in the game are incredibly rare (e.g. less than 5 in existence) and valuable. If it becomes known that a buyer is a collector and wants the item for keeps instead of flipping, some sellers will massively inflate their price because they know the buyer can't go elsewhere. And we're not talking about small change here; these price spikes can be several hundred dollars in size. So I can easily see why someone would want to be discreet on what they're looking for.
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I have had situations more than once where I am looking for a game in general that isnt on ebay or amazon or anything and a listing will go up for auction and someone will talk about the game or share the listing saying it is rare and magically that one listing will go for 3 or 4 times what it usually does.
Could be coincidence, but it is frustrating so I don't talk about the harder to find games I am looking for. I dont even have them on my wishlist.
Definitely paranoia, but I have been burned by it multiple times. I know of a PS4 game variant I was trying to get my hands on that is pretty rare, but it is near impossible to acquire. It isn't worth mentioning because legit it is impossible to acquire without connections. But it got mentioned once somewhere and for like a week everyone there was trying to get hands on it.
For sure once though, it was confirmed that me and another person were in a bid war over a game and I won. They only bid because someone shared the listing.
Curiously, though, wanna share the thread in question?
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Have you seen what people are charging for stuff nowadays? I don't blame anyone for wanting to keep the hype down on anything that's still affordable.
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Seems a little odd.
Those are probably the same people that snipe the Ebay auctions and think nobody else is watching. Oh they're watching.
Ever jack up the bid by a single increment on Ebay, simply because the same person bid twice in a row? ::) That use to be one of my favorites!!
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After reading some of these responses, this thread has got me like O_o
I mean, sure, I think everyone has their quirks with collecting. This doesn't just pertain to video games. But being completely secretive about it? That's a new one.
"Gaming community" has become an oxymoron.
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I cannot say I'm completely innocent though; from around the time I began heavily collecting until probably 2014ish, I refused to tell local people where I found my deals and was very secretive about it. I mostly didn't want people pouching the games at the places where I found my deals, which despite my efforts people found out about them in the end anyways. Now I don't give two shits if people know where I found a deal because everyone already knows about all the spots that used to be good for deals.
I'm guilty. I had a great little game store that I used to get boxed games at really good deals. I refused to tell anyone where it was. I had to protect my honey hole.
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I cannot say I'm completely innocent though; from around the time I began heavily collecting until probably 2014ish, I refused to tell local people where I found my deals and was very secretive about it. I mostly didn't want people pouching the games at the places where I found my deals, which despite my efforts people found out about them in the end anyways. Now I don't give two shits if people know where I found a deal because everyone already knows about all the spots that used to be good for deals.
I'm guilty. I had a great little game store that I used to get boxed games at really good deals. I refused to tell anyone where it was. I had to protect my honey hole.
Exactly! I had two main places; one was a independent thrift store in the rough part of town that used to get A TON of stuff in and it was rarely priced over $5 for games, and $20 for consoles. The other place was a store owned by GO Hastings that was a goldmine for about the first two years that it was open. Then everyone found out about it and also collecting got big around that time, and on top of that the store employees became notorious game poachers who would rarely let anything of value even hit the sales floor. Although that didn't stop them from slipping time to time and letting some really good stuff out on the floor, but it was just never as good as it used to be.
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It doesn't help that when I started joining communities I was largely on the receiving end of paranoia from locals.
A local guy had found a bunch of CIB SMS games at a shop for $2/ea. Posted on the group asking if anybody wanted them. I said I was local and was interested. Guy refused to tell me where the shop was because he didn't want me poaching. I said okay, go buy them for me and I'll pay you back. Guy's response was okay, but at full ebay prices. I knew what type of shop it was and there are only maybe 4 in our city, I went to every shop to find the one. Bought the games, and proceeded to go there EVERY SINGLE DAY and bought everything they had worth buying and then the shop very quickly figured out that the games were worth money and jacked up the prices to ebay prices.
Similar thing happened early on during the Amiibo craze. I hooked up a guy at cost with like Marth or something because his pre-order was sold right at open, like right in front of him. Mind you, this is alleged, I guess. He proceeded to immediately turn around and post it on the group for sale at full ebay. Same guy has said he was at a TRU and had found a bunch of rares and asked if someone wanted any and I mentioned that I was local and could get there in a few minutes if he'd just hold it so I could grab it. He proceeded to have an admin delete my comment, bought the amiibo himself, and sold it to someone who posted after my comment was deleted.
This is the exact reason why I don't deal with locals AT ALL. Because they act like that and would do exactly what I did regardless of whether or not I was helpful. I've met 1 local who wasn't a dick. And we hook each other up on occasion (read as two or three times over the course of 5 years).
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I understand why a lot of people want to hide stuff, but it would annoy me. I already have too much to worry about with life, don't wanna add the stress of caring what I might "Miss out on" or something. So I just don't worry about that sort of stuff and just go with the flow.
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Ive heard about people who have "private" collections that no one knows about. Its an oddity to me.
Collectors on the internet are often in the minority when it comes to overall collectors. This applies to various hobbies. There are many people who may be online but they will never post, or many people who do not even have accounts. I have known collectors like this. There are even cases where there is a collector that is unknown to the local area where they are. There is one good example I can think of this, when a (now locally known, but still not online) pinball collector surfaced in my area. He has one of the larger collections in my area, I'd say top 3 or top 5. It will not be an isolated case.
Many people still live under the stigma that there is something wrong from society's view of collecting. Either the things they collect are considered child's things (toys, video games, etc) by their peers, or fall into the borderline hoarding type. You can tell by looking at people's behaviours on the whole, that most people do not speak out in public vs those that do. And this translates to online communities also.
It is difficult to determine what the percentages are for video games or arcade games, because a lot of those collections are pertaining to items that solely exist in the secondary market. There is a comparison to toy collecting that may end up being of similar percentages. The idea that Hasbro estimates that in the US, the online toy collector community only makes up 5% or less of their annual sales numbers. They have information or need to know who it is that is buying their products because they need to determine whether it is worth it to offer "collector focused" items and exclusives and whatnot. And believe-you-me, if it wasn't profitable for them to do things like that, it wouldn't be done. So on best guesses from in the fandom, if the online collectors were 5%, those who collected outside of the online communities might be 5-10% in addition. With the rest being resellers or people who are not collectors.
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Many people still live under the stigma that there is something wrong from society's view of collecting. Either the things they collect are considered child's things (toys, video games, etc) by their peers, or fall into the borderline hoarding type. You can tell by looking at people's behaviours on the whole, that most people do not speak out in public vs those that do. And this translates to online communities also.
You know, and I hope this doesn't derail the topic, but I believe that in some individuals collecting is a form of hoarding, and to some extent and excuse to hoard. What really bugs me in this regard, and this is seen many times in videos posted by YouTubers who chronicle their thrifts and their pick ups when they say, "I wasn't gonna leave it there for 25¢/50¢/75¢!", or "I'll pick this up everyday for a dollar!". Usually they interject that when showing their pick ups as a form of excuse, especially when said pick up is a sports game, shovelware, or just about any other game that would/could be considered crap. Clearly to most of these type of "collectors" it's a numbers game whether the game they bought is good, bad, or outright shit, and to me that's hoarding.
Again, I hope this doesn't derail the topic; I just wanted to throw this out there.
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Ive noticed that too. I actually was at that point once then I realized I was hoarding stuff I had no interest in just getting it cause it was somewhat game related and cheap. I broke that habit about 2 years ago and have slowly been working on passing on those items to people that would enjoy/appreciate them more than I was.
As far as my original post is concerned, it seems other people have either A) noticed the secrecy or B) participated in it :P
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There's a HUGE difference between a collector and a hoarder.
A collector focuses on certain things, and makes a point to show off and be proud of his/her collection.
A hoarder is someone who holds on to EVERYTHING to the point that it's unhealthy. Like keeping McDonald's wrappers and sales ads from 15 years ago.
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I don't mind at all telling people where I found the best deals, because, where I shop locally none is a dick. and IF someone new comes into my flea market with some ridiculous prices HA they won't sell much because the sellers currently there don't have inflated prices to begin with. AND not too many people on here that I know of on VG collect live in my local area. BUT even if they do, then I am happy to tell my local buddies on VGC where to find the best deals. :D
Well push comes to shove most people are trying to get rid of retro video games in my area and I live in a large city area. I don't care about complete sets, heck with all the games out there I just don't want to get complete sets right away. I know eventually I will get every game on the market if I have enough faith, but I plan to share in the future but sadly I got no friends to share with currently :(
I am a vary open individual so ask me anything outside of usernames and passwords or codes and I'll give you the best answer to my ability. just read some of my Hardware and Tech posts on this site just to see how knowledgeable I am to everyone online. (as long as it is nothing personal)
My religion is personal, but I'll tell you one of the things I believe in.
1: All knowledge in the Universe does not belong to anyone except God, (the one who created it) :)
here is my honey hole and heck I have a HUGE backlong anyway ::)
https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,8409.msg140481.html#msg140481
AND if someone buys them all I just get ROMS
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hoarding is just a waste of space, because the people that usually hoard usually have no friends to play with other then themselves and they don't deserve friends as far as I'm concerned howvever :-[
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hoarding is just a waste of space, because the people that usally hoard usally have no friends to play with other then themselves and they don't deserve friends as far as I'm concerned
Hoarders are people too. You shouldn't be so judgemental.
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hoarding is just a waste of space, because the people that usally hoard usally have no friends to play with other then themselves and they don't deserve friends as far as I'm concerned
Hoarders are people too. You shouldn't be so judgemental.
I wasn't talking about the mental illness I was only refering to the ones who just don't want to share and have everything to themselves sorry but people who are rich and take everything from the poor piss me off >:(
IF you had a million dollers would you buy 50 games for 50c just to have them to yourself? I know you would not
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LOL well? If you were a millionare would you buy 100 games for 25c
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LOL well? If you were a millionare would you buy 100 games for 25c
Yes. Why wouldn't I? I'm not a millionaire and I'd do that.
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LOL well? If you were a millionare would you buy 100 games for 25c
Yes. Why wouldn't I? I'm not a millionaire and I'd do that.
good then your playing it smart 8)
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LOL well? If you were a millionare would you buy 100 games for 25c
Yes. Why wouldn't I? I'm not a millionaire and I'd do that.
good then your playing it smart 8)
I really don't follow what your mindset is.
I fall under the definition of a hoarder of video games. I certainly am accumulating video games for preservation, future use, or etc. And for the most part I usually have more games than I have space for.
to accumulate money, food, or the like, in a hidden or carefully guarded place for preservation, future use, etc.
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I really don't follow what your mindset is.
I fall under the definition of a hoarder of video games. I certainly am accumulating video games for preservation, future use, or etc. And for the most part I usually have more games than I have space for.
to accumulate money, food, or the like, in a hidden or carefully guarded place for preservation, future use, etc.
I am not judging you man carry on just ignore me. I am not perfect. I am just angry at some of the people out their that have 20 copies of every game and don't sell or and don't play them. sorry to make you mad :(
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I am not judging you man carry on just ignore me. I am not perfect. I am just angery at some of the people out their that have 20 copies of every game and don't sell or and don't play them. sorry to make you mad :(
Not mad, just don't understand what you were getting at.
I actually know a guy who had over 400 copies of Jurassic Park for SNES. He would take pictures of his fridge or bathtub full of copies of the game. I'm sure some of you folks have seen the pictures before. He has since sold off the collection of Jurassic Park carts.
Let me tell you though, owning 400 copies of Jurassic Park, it didn't affect the availability or market price for the game.
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I am not judging you man carry on just ignore me. I am not perfect. I am just angery at some of the people out their that have 20 copies of every game and don't sell or and don't play them. sorry to make you mad :(
Not mad, just don't understand what you were getting at.
I actually know a guy who had over 400 copies of Jurassic Park for SNES. He would take pictures of his fridge or bathtub full of copies of the game. I'm sure some of you folks have seen the pictures before. He has since sold off the collection of Jurassic Park carts.
Let me tell you though, owning 400 copies of Jurassic Park, it didn't affect the availability or market price for the game.
at least he sold him and didn't throw them away ::), I am glad he sold them eventually so other people could play the physical copies had once had again :)
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oldgamerz is referring to people that have, say, 10 sealed copies of Little Samson, and don't even bother to at least consider offers for a copy. You know, essentially the kind of people that like to buy multiple copies of "rare" games in order to affect the value/market.
At least that's what I gathered from what he posted.
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Some people have multiple copies of a game if they are really crazy about that so called game, also rare games do pull some people in thanks to It's rarity to have multiple copies of.
Not always resellers but people with to much cash in their pockets wanting a game multiple times to satisfy their needs.
Also as far as rich people go
If they want something they just buy it for whatever price.
Those people will not put in effort to get game deals, they have no time to find deals nor should they care since they are losing money if they would invest their free time to search for a deal.
Their saving money by buying it for ebay prices since their time is far more valuable than saving small amounts of money.
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That is really odd, especially if you are wanting help to find the game.
I did find a thrift shop that was selling N64 games for dirt cheap, and they would just sit there. So i go ever so often and get them. Picked up Mario Kart and Diddy Kong Racing for a few bucks.
Well a friend of my brother in law found out about it and went nuts. Long story short they jacked up everything to eBay prices
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oldgamerz is referring to people that have, say, 10 sealed copies of Little Samson, and don't even bother to at least consider offers for a copy. You know, essentially the kind of people that like to buy multiple copies of "rare" games in order to affect the value/market.
At least that's what I gathered from what he posted.
yes exactly
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To give an example of why someone might not want to spill the beans... My brother and I contacted this old guy who ran a rental store long ago, and got him to agree to meet us at his store where we bought some really cool complete games from his stash, including the legendary Hagane. Well, we told this guy who runs a local game store in the area (stupid of us). The other day, this guy who already has thousands of games in his store and overcharges for most of them, informed me that he went to the old dude and bought out the rest of everything he had to resell.
I just hate to see stuff like that happen, and especially knowing that it's because of me.
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To give an example of why someone might not want to spill the beans... My brother and I contacted this old guy who ran a rental store long ago, and got him to agree to meet us at his store where we bought some really cool complete games from his stash, including the legendary Hagane. Well, we told this guy who runs a local game store in the area (stupid of us). The other day, this guy who already has thousands of games in his store and overcharges for most of them, informed me that he went to the old dude and bought out the rest of everything he had to resell.
I just hate to see stuff like that happen, and especially knowing that it's because of me.
I expect this behavior out of everyone, ESPECIALLY locals.
ESPECIALLY the shop owners, they are the worst.
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oldgamerz is referring to people that have, say, 10 sealed copies of Little Samson, and don't even bother to at least consider offers for a copy. You know, essentially the kind of people that like to buy multiple copies of "rare" games in order to affect the value/market.
At least that's what I gathered from what he posted.
I knew a guy through another collector who did this with Panzer Dragoon Saga of all games; he had about 10 sealed copies of it, most of which he acquired as a former employee of EB games in the late 90s, but then he just started buying them up whenever who could find them for a decent price. I guess he also had several opened copies as well that were in mint condition. Why he needed to sit on $15000 in Panzer Sagas is anyone's guess, but honestly it just came across as insanely unhealthy and odd.
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oldgamerz is referring to people that have, say, 10 sealed copies of Little Samson, and don't even bother to at least consider offers for a copy. You know, essentially the kind of people that like to buy multiple copies of "rare" games in order to affect the value/market.
At least that's what I gathered from what he posted.
I knew a guy through another collector who did this with Panzer Dragoon Saga of all games; he had about 10 sealed copies of it, most of which he acquired as a former employee of EB games in the late 90s, but then he just started buying them up whenever who could find them for a decent price. I guess he also had several opened copies as well that were in mint condition. Why he needed to sit on $15000 in Panzer Sagas is anyone's guess, but honestly it just came across as insanely unhealthy and odd.
Something that always irritated me (when it probably shouldn't being that I don't really want the games) is when people buy up a multitude of the same Working Designs games just because the disc artwork is a variant. Not even completionists, just people who are obsessed with WD tend to have like 50 copies of all of their games. Nowadays nobody could afford to do that, but it used to be a thing.
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oldgamerz is referring to people that have, say, 10 sealed copies of Little Samson, and don't even bother to at least consider offers for a copy. You know, essentially the kind of people that like to buy multiple copies of "rare" games in order to affect the value/market.
At least that's what I gathered from what he posted.
I knew a guy through another collector who did this with Panzer Dragoon Saga of all games; he had about 10 sealed copies of it, most of which he acquired as a former employee of EB games in the late 90s, but then he just started buying them up whenever who could find them for a decent price. I guess he also had several opened copies as well that were in mint condition. Why he needed to sit on $15000 in Panzer Sagas is anyone's guess, but honestly it just came across as insanely unhealthy and odd.
Something that always irritated me (when it probably shouldn't being that I don't really want the games) is when people buy up a multitude of the same Working Designs games just because the disc artwork is a variant. Not even completionists, just people who are obsessed with WD tend to have like 50 copies of all of their games. Nowadays nobody could afford to do that, but it used to be a thing.
I've know a few of those WD obsessed collectors, but to be fair, one just loved JRPGs and WD was his favorite publisher back in the day. The other was just going for a complete North American Saturn collection (which he actually achieved) including all disk and art variants. Neither of them were game hoarders which I can respect, but yeah, the disk variant people can be a bit odd. But they are nothing compared to people who feel compelled to hoard many copies of the same game. Without exception I cannot think of one hoarder game collector I've known or met that wasn't really rough around the edges or just a complete annoyance to be around. One thing they love to do is remind you of how many copies of game X they have, and how you only have 1, or even worse none at all. Of course they refuse to sell or trade just one of their copies either because that would decrease the size of their...umm, collection....
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Try being a game developer. The whole industry is built on secrets.
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Try being a game developer. The whole industry is built on secrets.
sometimes they can be crime organizations as well :-X
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Try being a game developer. The whole industry is built on secrets.
the indie community isnt nearly as bad. I have had plenty of conversations with other indie devs and given/received help on various programming and design problems.
I don't know if I said it earlier, but literally someone just name dropped a game I've been out for and the one listing went for 3-4 times the normal rate. Now all new listings are being listed at that rate for BIN. All auctions are currently sitting around the normal going rate, so literally this game may have just jumped in value because of that...
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So there is a thread on another forum I visit that pertains to PS4. One person mentioned that there was a game they were looking for but wouldnt mention the game itself cause "they dont want everyone out there looking for it". I offered to help this person find the game and the response was basically that once they find it, they will let people know the name of it but until then, its no go. Like omg wtf? I dont understand this frame of mind. Why do people in gaming communities tend to try to keep secrets? Its definitely not the first time this ... mentality ... has popped up but today was straight against me trying to help.
Ive heard about people who have "private" collections that no one knows about. Its an oddity to me.
have they said what game it is yet/
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Nope. I basically told him fuck you and left it at that.