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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: marvelvscapcom2 on October 09, 2017, 01:42:19 pm
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I used to be an extreme digital naysayer and to a certain extent I still am because Physical copies are just much better with the cool art works and collectibility aspect plus you can trade them or sell them later which makes buying digital almost insane but Lately I have been buying digitial games mostly because some games only have digital releases (Cup head, sonic mania) and sometimes just out of convenience. :)
One thing I noticed is If you were to go up to someone and say "I have 2,000 games on steam" They'll probably say something along the lines of "Who cares" or "Yeah nice whatever" but if you show someone 2,000 physical copies of games all stacked along the walls they will revere you as a gaming god of sorts and be in awe :D
My question is do you think we will ever admire eachothers digital collections or be like "let me look at your steam account real quick" or if it will be a thing to amass digital copies as it is to collect physical media. Maybe with the surge of digital games or if games become digital only in the future?
In a way our collections on VG Collect our digital when we admire eachothers collections as we can't see the physical media even though we know it's physical. It's just a picture of the box art. I wonder if digital libraries will ever become collectable. I would assume if they became tradeable and sellable than it would really boost their collector market. What do you think of the future of digital collectors. We all will be some day unfortunately :(
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No. Not only is it not as impressive looking as a shelf of games, but half the digital games out there are pirated copies. So anyone that has a torrent program would have a killer collection.
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I think by the next console generation there might not be any physical discs anymore. As long as there is a physical option then digital games won't be as admired. As soon as physical games are no longer a thing I could kinda see this happening.
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Not really. For most people, when you have a large physical library it gives off the vibe of a curator maintaining a library. With a large digital collection though, it's more indicative of poor impulse control (as most large digital libraries are created from humble bundles and Steam sales).
Where digital collections become revered is in the individual games themselves, with people supporting impressive in-game inventories filled with rare and/or high dollar items. I know I consider my Team Fortress 2 backpack to be far more impressive than my nearly 1,000 games in my Steam library.
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I'm pretty sure it will be pretty personal an online collection.
Everyone has their own taste so to others it might just be so so.
That being said some online items/ mobs weapons skins etc in certain popular online games fetch really high amounts of dollars so that's a thing in the current era.
Those items are usually very hard to get and made in very limited numbers on purpose by the developers. In that case kinda the same way as physical collectibles.
I will say though if they would release certain digital downloads in limited amounts, maybe than will it become collectible ::)
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I agree with emporerdragon - I have a lot of games in my Steam collection and hundreds of other keys that are still yet unredeemed. Some because I just haven't had the time while others I just am not that interested in playing and figure I'll give away.
The stuff that I always appreciate about a physical collection:
- packaging design
- cover art
- manuals
- merchandise / goodies / pack-ins
- being able to let a friend borrow a game that they're curious about
- being able to sell the item
Digital games suffer from the issue of "out of sight, out of mind" for me. I often forget what I own and either buy it again or just never play it because I never think about it.
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Digital games suffer from the issue of "out of sight, out of mind" for me. I often forget what I own and either buy it again or just never play it because I never think about it.
I know that feeling too well:
"Hey that game looks interesting, I'll check it out!" *clicks link*
"You already own this game. Purchased 3 years ago. Last played: Never"
"Oh."
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Probably not. I have warmed up to digital distribution over the past few years, but I am under no illusion that I own the games I've bought and downloaded belongs to me. I know that the IP on the carts and disk I own don't belong to me either, but I do own the physical medium that they are on. Ownership is a big part of why I collect and I think a lot of other collectors feel the same way.
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I'm not sure what it is, but I don't think you can collect something that is not material, technically. Collections are made up of unique items (even in terms of mass produced), and downloads are neither. Physical copies are different, even if it's a copy of the same thing, it's condition is most likely different. Besides, the online policies state you're only buying permission to use the game. So is that a collection of permissions, or games?
Whatever it is, it's not an enticing concept to me in the least.
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I will never want to let go of physical media. Being able to trade, lend, resell and display your collection in the real world is the beauty of owning something physically. I really don't like buying digitally unless it's my only option mostly because companies treat digital media as just a license to play the game instead of owning the actual media. They decide to shut down their storefront and servers, say goodbye to anything you didn't have installed.
I like the goodies you can get with physical purchases; the manuals, posters, artwork. It's great to collect and display.
Plus nothing beats displaying everything orderly on a shelf.
And also :
Digital games suffer from the issue of "out of sight, out of mind" for me. I often forget what I own and either buy it again or just never play it because I never think about it.
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The problem with digital games compared to physical is a lack of true ownership/control. If I have a Mario 3 cart, I own Mario 3. I can play it on any device that runs NES games, I can dump the rom to make my own digital copy, I can get a new system if mine breaks and all is well.
Digital games do not afford us that freedom. For example: you can't download Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World anymore. It's simply not in the marketplace. I have a digital copy on my 360. Does that make it a cool, interesting thing for other gamers to see? Well, no. I can't lend it to them. I can't sell it. I could put it on a memory card/flash drive and copy it to another system... but without my profile for Xbox live to check against, it's useless.
Assuming that someday, we find a way to crack into old console hard drives, past the checks & restrictions & copy protections, then maybe it'll be a big deal. People will comb flea markets, buying half-dead units to dig through their data for long-lost games. Without that, digital games as we currently know them will simply be a thing floating on some old hard drives in the closet, while cracked & pirated copies get traded freely.
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evtually if the game industry keeps going digital only than a lot of games would be trashed to the general public. Remember you do not own a digital copy of a game like others have said and servers are well known to close down even steam. I have to also agree with the first reply, people with torrents would be king with the way things are going and.
as I recall steam likes to tweak games of the past not giving players original experience in my experience, and I don't know what that is all about
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I can't see digital libraries becoming as impressive as physical ones. This applies to all forms of media and entertainment. I'd rather have/see a bookshelf filled with 500 books than a Kindle containing 500 of them.
I've softened my stance on all things digital, but I'll always be Team Physical.
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Not likely. There are a some issues. Actual ownership of something you can hold in your hands vs being licensed software is one problem, as people have already mentioned. Another problem is that digital games also lack the rarity appeal that many physical games have. For the most part, digital copies of games have no rarity whatsoever. If you want it, you can buy it. Steam isn't going to "run out" of a game. The only exception is when a publisher loses rights to a property and the game gets taken down from all official digital storefronts (Scott Pilgrim vs. the World: The Game).
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I recently updated my iPhone to iOS 11.0.2 and I simply lost almost all the games that I "owned" in it. And, as far as I understand, unless the companies release an updated version of these games, they will never be accessible anymore.
The main problem is that many of them will not receive such an update. Mainly because the publishing company doesn't have the rights to it anymore, because the publisher doesn't exist anymore or for some other reason.
This is one of the main reasons why I hate digital only games and NEVER pay for a game that is not released in physical form.
(The only downside to it is that it seems that I will never be able to play Sonic Mania, haha.)
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No.
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Digital is garbage. If its not retail, its a rental.
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There's a lot of debates to be made at the whole digital vs physical sort of thing but I think at the end of the day, there's just no collecting appeal to digital games. It doesn't seem cool to have 2,000 or so digital games because you don't buy them to have them, you buy them to play them and once you're done with them they don't really matter anymore. It's always going to be more impressive to show someone a fancy box than it will be to show someone data on a computer
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I think it's pretty stupid not to play games because they're digital only.
That just shows that some people prefer to collect games rather than play games which I don't really understand tbh.
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I think it's pretty stupid not to play games because they're digital only.
That just shows that some people prefer to collect games rather than play games which I don't really understand tbh.
The post is asking if they'll be as collectible as physical games, not playable.
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I think it's pretty stupid not to play games because they're digital only.
That just shows that some people prefer to collect games rather than play games which I don't really understand tbh.
The post is asking if they'll be as collectible as physical games, not playable.
Yeah but some people here said that they wouldn't pay for a game that's digital only, and that's why I said that.
I do prefer to have a physical copy too and value my physical collection a lot more however I think that saying that digital ing general is garbage is stupid.
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I think it's pretty stupid not to play games because they're digital only.
That just shows that some people prefer to collect games rather than play games which I don't really understand tbh.
The post is asking if they'll be as collectible as physical games, not playable.
Yeah but some people here said that they wouldn't pay for a game that's digital only, and that's why I said that.
I do prefer to have a physical copy too and value my physical collection a lot more however I think that saying that digital ing general is garbage is stupid.
That's understandable.
I do kinda fall into that category, and I'm not sure if part of it is the hope that one day it *will* be available physically. Of course, this is flawed logic as if all gamers felt that way, there'd never be enough money or documented interest to finance efforts to make physical editions.
But I'm the sort who may be interested in playing and purchasing a game, but once I find out it's digital only, my interest in it significantly drops. Sometimes that does mean that I never play it, which is a shame. Something about it being digital only is a put-off somehow, like mobile games.
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....no
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I have to disagree If it takes up allot of space chances are it won't be popular in the future.
(http://peter.stillhq.com/jasmine/blog/1950s-computer.jpg)
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At allot of households regular desktops are a dying race, It's not uncommon for people to only have a laptop at best or not even that anymore.
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At allot of households regular desktops are a dying race, It's not uncommon for people to only have a laptop at best or not even that anymore.
Irrelevant. These people are not gamers and we are discussing games. :) Besides, using my iPad or Android tablet sucks when doing most things besides checking email compared to my desktop. Nothing will replace a desktop for full usability. People like and use tablets (and notebooks) more at home because of convenience, that's it. 8)
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At allot of households regular desktops are a dying race, It's not uncommon for people to only have a laptop at best or not even that anymore.
Irrelevant. These people are not gamers and we are discussing games. :) Besides, using my iPad or Android tablet sucks when doing most things besides checking email compared to my desktop. Nothing will replace a desktop for full usability. People like and use tablets (and notebooks) more at home because of convenience, that's it. 8)
and yet more and more households do not have a desktop anymore thanks to these ipads. Some households do not even have a laptop anymore.
I will agree that they suck compared to desktops also in controls aside from the lack of power but I'm just stating some facts.
Smaller is a win for the general public.
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I think it's a bit of an assumption to say people who don't have fancy computers aren't gamers
Not everyone has the money for that yknow
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I think it's a bit of an assumption to say people who don't have fancy computers aren't gamers
Not everyone has the money for that yknow
facts
as far as is know a gamer is someone who has a passion for video games, not all video games are on pc or pc-only
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I have to disagree If it takes up allot of space chances are it won't be popular in the future.
(http://peter.stillhq.com/jasmine/blog/1950s-computer.jpg)
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At allot of households regular desktops are a dying race, It's not uncommon for people to only have a laptop at best or not even that anymore.
You're argument is self defeating. The personal computer then versus the tablet now is technically the same thing. It's still a tangible object that you own. Digital may take up less space, and in the end may become more popular due to natural or forced entry into the delivery system. It's still an item that has no tangible value, nor are you even guaranteed ready access to it.
Since we're dealing with the issue of reverence the answer is a most definite, no.
I would also like to point out that since I'm in the PC build/repair business, desktops are most assuredly still very popular among gamers and non-gamers, and PC gaming popularity is steadily rising due to being more cost effective in the long term.
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Not in the slightest, mostly because there's no real value to a digital library. As a PC gamer, I stopped being bothered by digital only stuff a few years back, though still try to get a physical version for posterity sake if I can, but a physical shelf of stuff is always more interesting.
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I would also like to point out that since I'm in the PC build/repair business, desktops are most assuredly still very popular among gamers and non-gamers, and PC gaming popularity is steadily rising due to being more cost effective in the long term.
I assume that your not working for dell etc, It's the big numbers that really count.
PC building market is more specialised than the bigger brands, besides everywere were you look desktops have declined in sales over the last 5 years. Obviously some companies could see a rise in their profits thanks to being in a certain part of the market
Gaming is only a part of the pc world, in the past many people used desktops for saving pictures checking mail or searching the web only.
I hate bringing out the stereotype but I'm pretty sure that (especially thus meaning not all) gamers have or will buy a new desktop or people who really need one for work offices etc. For those groups desktops will remain popular for a very long time.
However a very large part does not need a desktop for the more simple things anymore old or new. It's pretty easy to see why desktop sales have declined over the last 5 more or less years. Not to mention that laptop sales have dominated PC already for a very long time.
Even in the early years when the laptop was being brought just into the market. It's more mobile and thanks to that being more popular than the static desktop
http://www.businessinsider.com/pc-sales-decline-year-chart-2017-1?international=true&r=US&IR=T
Don't forget that these sales include laptops in a dominating fashion wich already lack allot of power it is also said that laptop sales have improved within these figures while desktop sales have dropped more and more.
However even laptops are being replaced by tablets and not covering the losses of the desktop sales and thus still declining in overall sales for personal computers.
https://phys.org/news/2017-01-personal-sales-fall-year-row.html
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Despite all this PC talk, I should mention that games also exist digitally on consoles, too ;)
I've been a gamer for much of my life and have only had a decent PC for games in the last 6 or so years.
I used to buy digital games for my xbox 360 back when Castle Crashers and Limbo were new and the way to experience "indie" games. I was more open to it then but when the hard drives started to fill out with save data and games, it became less and less of a "good buy" for me after a while.
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I would also like to point out that since I'm in the PC build/repair business, desktops are most assuredly still very popular among gamers and non-gamers, and PC gaming popularity is steadily rising due to being more cost effective in the long term.
I assume that your not working for dell etc, It's the big numbers that really count.
PC building market is more specialised than the bigger brands, besides everywere were you look desktops have declined in sales over the last 5 years. Obviously some companies could see a rise in their profits thanks to being in a certain part of the market
Gaming is only a part of the pc world, in the past many people used desktops for saving pictures checking mail or searching the web only.
I hate bringing out the stereotype but I'm pretty sure that (especially thus meaning not all) gamers have or will buy a new desktop or people who really need one for work offices etc. For those groups desktops will remain popular for a very long time.
However a very large part does not need a desktop for the more simple things anymore old or new. It's pretty easy to see why desktop sales have declined over the last 5 more or less years. Not to mention that laptop sales have dominated PC already for a very long time.
Even in the early years when the laptop was being brought just into the market. It's more mobile and thanks to that being more popular than the static desktop
http://www.businessinsider.com/pc-sales-decline-year-chart-2017-1?international=true&r=US&IR=T
Don't forget that these sales include laptops in a dominating fashion wich already lack allot of power it is also said that laptop sales have improved within these figures while desktop sales have dropped more and more.
However even laptops are being replaced by tablets and not covering the losses of the desktop sales and thus still declining in overall sales for personal computers.
https://phys.org/news/2017-01-personal-sales-fall-year-row.html
I do not that is for sure. I will agree that mobile devices are dominating the general use market. If you're just streaming video and surfing the web in general they are compact and useful. When it comes to sales numbers of the name brands, or off the shelf brands as they are known. As people are growing up with the technology they have come to realize that these aren't worth buying.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/01/as-pc-sales-shrink-the-gaming-pc-market-grows-faster-than-expected/ (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/01/as-pc-sales-shrink-the-gaming-pc-market-grows-faster-than-expected/)
https://www.techspot.com/news/69156-gaming-pc-sales-growing-fast-us.html (https://www.techspot.com/news/69156-gaming-pc-sales-growing-fast-us.html)
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I would also like to point out that since I'm in the PC build/repair business, desktops are most assuredly still very popular among gamers and non-gamers, and PC gaming popularity is steadily rising due to being more cost effective in the long term.
I assume that your not working for dell etc, It's the big numbers that really count.
PC building market is more specialised than the bigger brands, besides everywere were you look desktops have declined in sales over the last 5 years. Obviously some companies could see a rise in their profits thanks to being in a certain part of the market
Gaming is only a part of the pc world, in the past many people used desktops for saving pictures checking mail or searching the web only.
I hate bringing out the stereotype but I'm pretty sure that (especially thus meaning not all) gamers have or will buy a new desktop or people who really need one for work offices etc. For those groups desktops will remain popular for a very long time.
However a very large part does not need a desktop for the more simple things anymore old or new. It's pretty easy to see why desktop sales have declined over the last 5 more or less years. Not to mention that laptop sales have dominated PC already for a very long time.
Even in the early years when the laptop was being brought just into the market. It's more mobile and thanks to that being more popular than the static desktop
http://www.businessinsider.com/pc-sales-decline-year-chart-2017-1?international=true&r=US&IR=T
Don't forget that these sales include laptops in a dominating fashion wich already lack allot of power it is also said that laptop sales have improved within these figures while desktop sales have dropped more and more.
However even laptops are being replaced by tablets and not covering the losses of the desktop sales and thus still declining in overall sales for personal computers.
https://phys.org/news/2017-01-personal-sales-fall-year-row.html
I do not that is for sure. I will agree that mobile devices are dominating the general use market. If you're just streaming video and surfing the web in general they are compact and useful. When it comes to sales numbers of the name brands, or off the shelf brands as they are known. As people are growing up with the technology they have come to realize that these aren't worth buying.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/01/as-pc-sales-shrink-the-gaming-pc-market-grows-faster-than-expected/ (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/01/as-pc-sales-shrink-the-gaming-pc-market-grows-faster-than-expected/)
https://www.techspot.com/news/69156-gaming-pc-sales-growing-fast-us.html (https://www.techspot.com/news/69156-gaming-pc-sales-growing-fast-us.html)
Not unexpected that in the gaming department pc sales are growing.
These days People make their jobs of streaming creating video's not to mention many console released games are coming to pc, you need a fast PC for such things, not to mention usually specialised pc's fit the bill better than normal brands.
however in general that's just a small slice of the whole pie so to speak.
I think the desktop in the future will turn into a very niche market mainly for gamers or for work only when you actually need a powerhouse computer. The PC powersellers of today will be gone or move on to other things while more specialised companies will take over for desktop needs on a smaller scale.
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I would also like to point out that since I'm in the PC build/repair business, desktops are most assuredly still very popular among gamers and non-gamers, and PC gaming popularity is steadily rising due to being more cost effective in the long term.
I assume that your not working for dell etc, It's the big numbers that really count.
PC building market is more specialised than the bigger brands, besides everywere were you look desktops have declined in sales over the last 5 years. Obviously some companies could see a rise in their profits thanks to being in a certain part of the market
Gaming is only a part of the pc world, in the past many people used desktops for saving pictures checking mail or searching the web only.
I hate bringing out the stereotype but I'm pretty sure that (especially thus meaning not all) gamers have or will buy a new desktop or people who really need one for work offices etc. For those groups desktops will remain popular for a very long time.
However a very large part does not need a desktop for the more simple things anymore old or new. It's pretty easy to see why desktop sales have declined over the last 5 more or less years. Not to mention that laptop sales have dominated PC already for a very long time.
Even in the early years when the laptop was being brought just into the market. It's more mobile and thanks to that being more popular than the static desktop
http://www.businessinsider.com/pc-sales-decline-year-chart-2017-1?international=true&r=US&IR=T
Don't forget that these sales include laptops in a dominating fashion wich already lack allot of power it is also said that laptop sales have improved within these figures while desktop sales have dropped more and more.
However even laptops are being replaced by tablets and not covering the losses of the desktop sales and thus still declining in overall sales for personal computers.
https://phys.org/news/2017-01-personal-sales-fall-year-row.html
I do not that is for sure. I will agree that mobile devices are dominating the general use market. If you're just streaming video and surfing the web in general they are compact and useful. When it comes to sales numbers of the name brands, or off the shelf brands as they are known. As people are growing up with the technology they have come to realize that these aren't worth buying.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/01/as-pc-sales-shrink-the-gaming-pc-market-grows-faster-than-expected/ (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/01/as-pc-sales-shrink-the-gaming-pc-market-grows-faster-than-expected/)
https://www.techspot.com/news/69156-gaming-pc-sales-growing-fast-us.html (https://www.techspot.com/news/69156-gaming-pc-sales-growing-fast-us.html)
Not unexpected that in the gaming department pc sales are growing.
These days People make their jobs of streaming creating video's not to mention many console released games are coming to pc, you need a fast PC for such things, not to mention usually specialised pc's fit the bill better than normal brands.
however in general that's just a small slice of the whole pie so to speak.
I think the desktop in the future will turn into a very niche market mainly for gamers or for work only when you actually need a powerhouse computer. The PC powersellers of today will be gone or move on to other things while more specialised companies will take over for desktop needs on a smaller scale.
I can get behind that.