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General and Gaming => Modern Video Games => Topic started by: marvelvscapcom2 on January 17, 2018, 10:53:22 pm
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Hello everyone :). Today the gaming gods spoke yet again in what appears to be Nintendo's newest and possibly craziest abstract idea yet and I just wanted to stop by to tap into the wire of the VG Collect Universe to see how everyone feels about this latest move for such a blockbuster and fun system thus far. :D.
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This announcement was so far left field it's almost like Miyamoto and Nintendo's PR and marketing team are some sort of godly supreme being wizards at this point. Formulating concepts out of nothing. An artist revolutionizing the entire fabric of life itself through gaming. Rewriting what we know about fun and philosephy. Turning just basics into beauty. Turning cardboard into a robot or into Beethoven symphanies played elegantly on a theoretical imaginary piano. It's beyond our realm of understanding. It's so meta and just beyond human thinking. It's the whole idea that boring and bland can be amazing with imagination. The beauty that lies within. The software becomes our imagination, it becomes our thinking. On a deeper level the Labo is of a higher society mastery of an unknown way of life we've yet to dive in. The switch can be paired with something as simple as cardboard and still created a utopia around you. A new world. Through something that lies within your mind all along. It taps into you. In essence and pure spirtual form the Nintendo Labo is Nintendo. The ability to make kids smile regardless of design, trend or price. Simple but fun. It's all about the creativity and fun when it's all said and done with the big N. :).
As you can see I am very flabbergasted on a profound metaphysical level and feel as Ive met my lord and savior in the form of Nintendo's design team. Just the simplicity combined with the power of it. And how it was presented. It felt as a rembrandt masterpiece being unveiled to scoffing critics. I feel Nintendo may be finding that perfect balance of entertaining kids will astonishing the adults with pure quality and innovation. It's just like pretty eye brow raising at this point the consistency nintendo is hitting with. And may we all prey for another home run with Nintendo's leap into a virtual reality blend with art and engineering we see here. :).
Some gamers have been posting awful things about Labo mostly people who are either unaccepting of change or hateful of switch's success. But real criticisms do exist and many wonder if it's a gimmick or why it's so expensive. Which is why I came here to seek unbiased and healthy discussion :D.
Where do you stand with the Labo? Will you buy one? What is the future of this cardboard VR in your opinion? Will Sony and XB1 follow suit as they tend to do?
For me I love the labo. I feel it has so much untapped power and a massive market that made the Wii a success and Nintendo knows this. It's versatile. Unique. Simple. but most of all it caters to moms and children which are the driving force behind major sales. I know it's a gimmick territory that many of us don't want Nintendo to tap into again but so was the whole Wii and I found a lot to love out of that. I just think it coexists well but doesn't dominate. Something fun for everyone. Some may be turned off but I do think it was a pretty smooth play to keep the moms of america stuffing switch's in their purses come birthdays and christmases for years to come :). I can hear all the moms talking it about it now. Believe it or not my mom told me about it before I knew. She called me up estatic about it sending links. It's a moms dream. The child gets creative and artistic but also plays video games at the same time. :D
What are your thoughts on the cardboard utopia? ;D
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No one should be upset with Nintendo Labo. It's a product designed mostly for kids and the idea behind it is pretty interesting, giving kids something to build, which is great, and giving them a game in the process. It's purely for the casual audience, giving kids an alternate way to experience their games. It's an inventive idea and one so simple, especially with it bordering on being "edutainment", showing kids how the inner workings of things can be, while also being a fun game or activity in the process. I was initially more inclined to wave it off as being on the level of Wii accessories, but there's a lot more to it here.
It's not for most die hard Nintendo fans that want their next Nintendo property. It's primarily for kids and kids are gonna love the shit out of this. I would've loved it at like age 7 or 8.
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I love the idea. I can tell it's not for me, but I know my younger nieces and nephews would gobble it up (And I can easily see a younger me doing the same).
Really my only concern over the whole thing is how durable the cardboard is and if it can withstand general wear and tear.
In any case, if it proves popular, I can easily see Nintendo making a Warioware D.I.Y. style game for the line, complete with compilation volumes of the best submissions.
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This is absolutely the worst idea Nintendo has ever had ... do you realize this isnt going to be just for kids? Once its out there, Nintendo is going to eventually make every game that releases in the future be required to be compatible with the Labo in some form or other. As much as everyone complained about how the Wii was annoying with its adding motion controls to every game, imagine adding a cardboard prop for every game.
And the price is absurd. $70 for some pressed cardboard? GTFO here.
Welcome to the downfall of the Switch. I knew it was going to come, just didnt realize it was going to be something as far out there as this.
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I highly, highly doubt that every game released by Nintendo will now feature Nintendo Labo. That's a pretty bold statement. The idea doesn't have a lot of applicability to every game. How would they use it for Zelda? For Kirby or Smash Brothers? If anything it would be optional accessories like the steering wheel for Mario Kart.
And about the price, we pay $60 for a MSRP game at launch, so it's really $10 for the cardboard pieces. The product does come with software in addition to the 5 DIY projects.
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I think it is a pretty neat concept and I believe that people who like to build things will love to play with those kits!
However, as everything that comes from this company, it looks a little too overpriced, especially if you take into consideration that the most entertaining part of the game will be building the items themselves, so it has a very limited replay value.
Apart from that I can foresee Nintendo not producing enough kits to supply the demand and, as always, at least in the short-term, they will turn this piece into a treasure for scalpers.
But this is coming from someone who considers himself to be pretty much a Nintendo hater and who would never buy these... In the end, I think Nintendo, more than any other company really understand their fans and I respect them for that.
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I highly, highly doubt that every game released by Nintendo will now feature Nintendo Labo. That's a pretty bold statement. The idea doesn't have a lot of applicability to every game. How would they use it for Zelda? For Kirby or Smash Brothers? If anything it would be optional accessories like the steering wheel for Mario Kart.
And about the price, we pay $60 for a MSRP game at launch, so it's really $10 for the cardboard pieces. The product does come with software in addition to the 5 DIY projects.
2-3 years ago, who would have thought there would be a game involving the use of folding cardboard into usable pieces? The fact is now that its out there, they will find a way to make it required.
And the price ... does it really look like a $60 MSRP game?
Im also known as a Nintendo hater ... and stuff like this is why. Nintendo should be in the software business and let me play their games on my PS4 and cause me to miss out on their amazing games cause I dont want their garbage consoles. Although at the same time, as a complete PS4 collector, I do applaud them for doing this only on Nintendo so I dont have to buy it. :P
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And about the price, we pay $60 for a MSRP game at launch, so it's really $10 for the cardboard pieces. The product does come with software in addition to the 5 DIY projects.
EXACTLY- and as someone who's worked in a craft store for 13 years, this is average to great pricing on a kids papercraft project (depending on the quality of the cardboard.) It's really not that expensive- certainly better than spending $50-100 on a furby that still requires a damn iPhone app to work!
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I saw the video last night. It looked like a neat idea until I saw the price. Wow! $70 and $80? I'm out. $20 for a cardboard kit and I'm in. The Boy would love it, but that's just too much for cardboard.
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This is absolutely the worst idea Nintendo has ever had ... do you realize this isnt going to be just for kids? Once its out there, Nintendo is going to eventually make every game that releases in the future be required to be compatible with the Labo in some form or other. As much as everyone complained about how the Wii was annoying with its adding motion controls to every game, imagine adding a cardboard prop for every game.
And the price is absurd. $70 for some pressed cardboard? GTFO here.
Welcome to the downfall of the Switch. I knew it was going to come, just didnt realize it was going to be something as far out there as this.
The cardboard comes with Mechanisms and rope with the mech one. Instructions ect... not to mention the entire development proccess for the software that pairs with it which looks like it might be a whole line of physical or digital games. The whole 70 dollars for cardboard argument is something I don't get. It's so much more than that. :)
As for it being essential for future games I don't see that happening. It could happen surely but that'd be a level of lunacy nobody would fiddle with I would imagine lol. They have made no mention of it pairing with Kirby, Mario Tennis or any of the other upcoming titles even though it'd be a selling point for it nor have they shown it working with previous titles. It really doesn't correlate imo. It's more just a side thing that people are overblowing. Sure Nintendo made motion manditory with Wii almost and forced it down everyone's throats but that's really the only instance of them doing that. This is more of a side thing than a full on intanglement.
Imo Labo is nothing more than a DIY project for kids and parents to bond over while the dad takes his break from slaying epic boss's in his GOTY BOTW on the fastest selling and most critically acclaimed console of this gen. Nintendo switch lol ;D
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Guys, look at the actual product description. It is not $20 of cardboard. It comes with a game, so even if you were to take a lower priced title base of $40, the total package would still be around $60. I really don't think it's that much of a price gauge.
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It doesn't do anything for me and I have no interest in getting it, but then again this wasn't made with people in their 30s in mind.
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Guys, look at the actual product description. It is not $20 of cardboard. It comes with a game, so even if you were to take a lower priced title base of $40, the total package would still be around $60. I really don't think it's that much of a price gauge.
The cardboard kits are what people see though. It's disposable.
Plus, my kid will tear up cardboard. They need replacement kits that don't include the software.
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Arts and crafts stuff aren't cheap. You aren't paying just for the materials, but the cost to make the materials usable for your crafts. All of the cardboard boxes are perforated in a manner that allows you to easily put it together.
Also, the folks talking about "oh $20 for cardboard" are probably the same folks who are like "oh $20 for perler bead art, what did that cost you $2 in beads, I'll give you $3. You're still profiting."
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I mean, I do think it is a tad overpriced, but not that badly. I think the other question is how sturdy the materials are, for sure, like you mentioned turf.
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the only thing I am truly worried about with this is since it is made out of cardboard and will no doubt be marketed twords 8 year olds is realistically how long will these cardboard constructions last? will they have a place you can go and just buy the cardboard sleeves by themselves?
I have to say although the price is kinda high I don't really see why everyone is freaking out. even considering that they sold 1-2-switch for $60 and I don't think I heard this much price shock for that $20 game.
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It's definitely a "your mileage will vary" product, especially since you have to partially, you know... create your own entertainment here. Even after building the models ;)
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One thing I think people arent noticing is that once you put the item together, the crafting part is done. I know it was compared to LEGOs somewhere but LEGOs are reusable. You take it apart and build something else. These items dont seem to have that reconstructability.
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But pretty much every craft is "you build it and then it's done". Model trains, model cars, any kind of DIY project really. This is aimed at younger audiences, which is why the construction is a little more simpler.
Makes me want to take out my Old LEGOs and K'Nex though :'(
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From a collector standpoint, I can see unopened kits being fairly valuable eventually. These things are going to get trashed quickly.
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From a collector standpoint, I can see unopened kits being fairly valuable eventually. These things are going to get trashed quickly.
Nah. There's too many collectors thinking like that. Lots of fools like me will buy it and put it away. It'll be worthless.
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"NINTENDO'S GONNA MAKE ME BUY CARDBOARD FOR MY GAMES NOW"
This is the biggest nonsense I've heard lol
It's just a toy separate from the actual games. It's not like say, the wii's weird controller being the entire point of the console. I'm not interested in the thing but the idea that it's presence is legitimately damaging based on an insane assumption is incredibly silly
Best case scenario, kids will buy it and it'll sell a few more switches. Worst case scenario it'll just be another gimmick and fade out with little impact on the system itself, since it's only loosely connected to it in the first place
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I feel like if Nintendo wanted to consider making any mandatory accessories for a game on the Switch, they would make it plastic. There's no way cardboard would be able to function as a stand in or required controller to play a game because it's not durable enough. It would be optional if anything.
This product is mostly for the crafting aspect imo.
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"NINTENDO'S GONNA MAKE ME BUY CARDBOARD FOR MY GAMES NOW"
This is the biggest nonsense I've heard lol
It's just a toy separate from the actual games. It's not like say, the wii's weird controller being the entire point of the console. I'm not interested in the thing but the idea that it's presence is legitimately damaging based on an insane assumption is incredibly silly
Best case scenario, kids will buy it and it'll sell a few more switches. Worst case scenario it'll just be another gimmick and fade out with little impact on the system itself, since it's only loosely connected to it in the first place
Amiibos werent supposed to be required either ... its just a toy ... but now there are plenty of games out there that you cant even complete/access the whole thing without an amiibo unlocking it.
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..And? Did everyone stop buying nintendo products because they were OUTRAGED about the content they were missing out on?
It really doesn't matter since they made up 0.001% of the content of whatever game it was most of the time. The games where the amiibo content was actually relevant were the minority.
People still bought the games and weren't exactly crying when they missed out on say, a new hat for mario or whatever. I'm sure if they want to say, make it so you can use a cardboard sword in zelda or whatever, nobody's exactly gonna be raging about missing out on content
Also keep in mind amiibos were explicitly designed to be a companion to nintendo games, this wasn't.
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"NINTENDO'S GONNA MAKE ME BUY CARDBOARD FOR MY GAMES NOW"
This is the biggest nonsense I've heard lol
It's just a toy separate from the actual games. It's not like say, the wii's weird controller being the entire point of the console. I'm not interested in the thing but the idea that it's presence is legitimately damaging based on an insane assumption is incredibly silly
Best case scenario, kids will buy it and it'll sell a few more switches. Worst case scenario it'll just be another gimmick and fade out with little impact on the system itself, since it's only loosely connected to it in the first place
Amiibos werent supposed to be required either ... its just a toy ... but now there are plenty of games out there that you cant even complete/access the whole thing without an amiibo unlocking it.
Xbox and PS4 require micro trans, DLC packs and QR codes to get "bonus" content which is essentially actually a whole game left out with the sole purpose of sucking more money out of it's player. Nintendo makes it so an Amiibo gives you a different outfit and everyone flips the hat lol.
I second Cirno's Sentiments
I can't think of one Nintendo game where you need an Amiibo to beat the game and not many where you need it to access a special part of the game other than costumes or minor things like health upgrades. but I know plenty of games on the other two where you need a DLC pass to get the second ending or part 2 or have a competitve prayer in hell like NBA 2K18. And Amiibos weren't toys per say, they were actually annoucned and advertised as figures that interact with the game and unlock special benefits. They have 2 purposes and I never found them over bearing like PS and XB1's desperate micro trans that come with nothing but a digital unlock in return.
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I may be the Nintendo hater but trying to discuss Ninty stuff with people who see no wrong in their doings is just wasting air for me. If this thing turns out to be greater than sliced bread, congrats.
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Lol. Predicting that "every game that releases in the future will be required to be compatible with the Labo", and that "this is the downfall of the Switch" is just as nearsighted as someone saying they're a perfect company, you know.
Do I think it's a tad overpriced? Sure. Will I buy it? Probably not. But saying that this is just "$70 dollars worth of cardboard" is just misinformed. And I do think it's a good product for what it's designed to be. I'd say we've had a pretty honest discussion about it so far, but only time will tell.
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yooo sooo who has a 3D printer... might need you print me out someeeee labo part in the future.
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Lol. Predicting that "every game that releases in the future will be required to be compatible with the Labo", and that "this is the downfall of the Switch" is just as nearsighted as someone saying they're a perfect company, you know.
I agree :). It's hard to find wrong in something in concept form that shows no signs of being bad. It's just speculation about how Nintendo will incorperate it with the Switch and people are trying to find ways the Switch will fail before it does which is unfair and wishful thinking more or less. I think Labo is just a neat creative idea for kids and won't be forced into nothing more but I guess only time will tell. But I do agree the discussion has been wholesome and inclusive so far. :D.
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I definitely was intrigued to pick up the kits for my kids (ages 6 and 3), but once I saw the price tag I think I might wait it out. My wife might not be down with that much cash towards it. Not saying they are overpriced, but they definitely are not in my price range and it could just be because my kids are so young I could see them easily trashing the projects or the Switch itself as they move it about.
I don't think Nintendo will force Labo style components for all future games. They have not indicated that anywhere and it doesn't make sense for the Switch concept. They are going to engage third parties to come out with their own software for it, but it will not take over all software for the system.
Interesting to see the use of what appears to be Project Giant Robo in the video released. I always wondered what happened to that Wii U tease. I guess one more thing that Nintendo Wii U owners get torn from their hands and put on the Switch.
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I could see them easily trashing the projects or the Switch itself as they move it about.
I was thinking about this even with adults too. The switch's life seems to be in constant jeopardy in these ads they put. Because I question how the Switch's screen will enjoy being slid in and out of cardboard over and over as cardboard has slight preferation to it's edges that can scuff things. Switch already get scuffs just from being docked on plastic to glass basic. I'm wondering when they'll have us slide it in and out of liquid magma with thumbtacks thrown in lol. I'm just hoping it has a really big opening to put it in (waits for that's what she said jokes ;D) so that it won't be so much friction wear from being rubbed against the cardboard. Plus the RC car one seems to have the joycons fluttering about. Guess we'll have to wait and see how all this effects the console.
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Just watched the video, and I think it looks fun. I have kids and they would love to work with something like this. It is definitely in the 7-10 year age range. It looks like Nintendo is building off the success of the Makey-Makey product. I love that it shows how the cardboard creations integrate with the game. I do see a couple of potential problems. First, I agree that kids will tear that cardboard up quickly, and some lower priced cardboard replacements would be a good idea. Next, I think that the age range will be a little tricky. Children have to be old enough to put the cardboard items together, but young enough so that they won't get bored with the game too quickly. If the assembly process requires too much parent supervision, parents will be less excited about the product. Last, I don't know how much of a money maker this will be. Not only does play to a certain age range, but it is also a specific type of kid that is interested in making these things. I have purchased the Makey-Makey product and some kids got over it right away, and some are still playing with it right now. I think that potential market is really small.
I think that it is great that they made this product. Nintendo usually wins when they gamble on stuff like this, which means we usually win. But I fear this product will live in the same realm as gyromite and virtual boy.
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Lol. Predicting that "every game that releases in the future will be required to be compatible with the Labo", and that "this is the downfall of the Switch" is just as nearsighted as someone saying they're a perfect company, you know.
This is the smartest thing said this this thread.
It's a toy. It might be a cool new way to play with this thing. I'm not into it, but that's a 37 year old dude talking.
I did see that Nintendo is putting all the plans out there on the interwebs for free. You can get your own cardboard, print out the template, and make replacement parts. That's one fear put to rest.
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Lol. Predicting that "every game that releases in the future will be required to be compatible with the Labo", and that "this is the downfall of the Switch" is just as nearsighted as someone saying they're a perfect company, you know.
This is the smartest thing said this this thread.
It's a toy. It might be a cool new way to play with this thing. I'm not into it, but that's a 37 year old dude talking.
Totally agree. We've got enough negativity in general in this world - I don't think we need to throw any more on top of that giant pile. If it ain't hurtin' anyone, it's not a big deal. And if the response to that is "this takes away focus and money from these other companies that are doing 'better' things," well, then, that's capitalism for ya.
I appreciated that someone else said that it's something different for once. Considering the amount of remasters, sequels, and more of the same ol', same ol' we've been getting, it's refreshing to see something new.
I did see that Nintendo is putting all the plans out there on the interwebs for free. You can get your own cardboard, print out the template, and make replacement parts. That's one fear put to rest.
That's awesome to hear. That should open up options for people to customize stuff and let the consumer be more openly creative. Hopefully we'll see some neat things come out of that.
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This was what I was hoping to hear from Nintendo: https://kotaku.com/nintendo-labo-will-let-you-program-your-own-custom-robo-1822632217
I thought it would've been a huge lost opportunity if Nintendo didn't allow the user to do simple programming. Lego pulled it off with Mindstorms, so I think it's good for Nintendo to give this a shot.
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I am so clearly not the target audience for Nintendo anymore.
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I think it'll be fun for the kids. For me, I'll pass. I am not gonna hate on it though.
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3 new trailers are out for anyone who wants more info on it. I cant link the actual videos but I can link the article I found them in. https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/nintendo-labo-three-new-trailers/