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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: dreama1 on February 18, 2018, 01:12:44 pm
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How is retro game pricing as of Feb 2018?
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In pal regions it really depends what your looking for
Lose carts of most good titles pretty much the same except for the hyped games wich didn't increase to much with the exception of n64 pretty hyped atm.
Common stuff as in bad games just for full sets even back in the day they were hard to sell so naturally they are cheaper since nobody wants them except for the small market back in the day were apprantly people did buy lose nes carts of for example pinball for 5 - 7$.
Obviously not really known good games or more obsecure titles will usually stay the same value wise.
Certain really rare hyped games that were expensive some years back have retained their value not really increased much in some cases a bit of a decrease. some fluctutaion it goes up and down but never cheap SOTN ps1 LE for example or megaman x3 megaman x2 vampire kiss etc But than were talking about pretty high prices. in those cases allot people cannot afford it or have to save money for quite a long time or ofcourse a wealthy man who has not yet gotten that game for the collection. That being said most rich collectors want the best of the best so they usually wait for excellent pristine condition items to pop up. This is the reason why minty prices can be allot higher than even excellent copies.
In general if your looking for complete in box stuff in very nice shape prices have increased over the years and supply is not really friendly to many wich is the reason why apparently people will buy them at the higher prices, There are not many nice condition complete in box examples for especially many cardboard released games, Allot of games especially if your looking for nice condition examples cannot be bought instantly on ebay anymore one has to wait for a nice copy to pop out.
Lose carts are usually plentyfull except for some very rare non hyped titles so prices are pretty much the same or a decrease for bad stuff. Price gap between complete in box and lose has increased allot over the years.
Sega especially megadrive genesis has increased double maybe tripled in a few years especially for certain sought after games wich are 100+ titles while they were only 40 - 50 at best just some years back. That being said for allot of snes nes especially cib games the same can be said.
In europe for the stuff that most want even the more obsecure stuff in general has increased sometimes by allot. if you less picky and accept lose or missing things, filler materials plenty of non sport stuff that fits that category than prices have been the same as years back or a decrease in price since their is no reason to own games that you do not want to play. More people have seen the light on the other side apparently ::)
While the market of cib expensive stuff is allot smaller than for the affordable stuff, the supply of the excellent condition cib games is even smaller unless everyone decides to sell their stuff than things can chance.
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I never pay retail so I can only go by what I sell. That being said i have noticed N64 and PS2 going up and NES tailing off or going down a little
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I never pay retail so I can only go by what I sell. That being said i have noticed N64 and PS2 going up and NES tailing off or going down a little
That's to be expected- the people who grew up on NES and were nostalgic for it a few years back have now 'had their fill', so to speak, and would either be selling things off or just dropping out of the buying market.
Meanwhile, kids who grew up on PS2 are now grown up & starting to become wistful for their childhood games, so prices are going up as they come into the retro market looking for those titles. I suspect we're due for a PS2 boom within the next 5 years or so, especially if disc based clone systems start coming onto the market.
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You're suggesting NES prices will go down soon? I'm still finding this hard to believe.
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You're suggesting NES prices will go down soon? I'm still finding this hard to believe.
Really depends.
In Europe the nes didn't do to well, allot of especially boxed nes games not to many around.
The US on the other hand had great sales with nes maybe prices could drop over there especially for the full set materials don't expect anything to major though.
And if you really want nice price drops I mean it could take a while and if people who are waiting are really unlucky allot of us could be pretty old before those days ever come nobody knows when prices will drop or if they just retain their value or sky rocket in the future. Filler titles even many non sports games for sure but for the titles that matter that's the issue here. There is a reason why people buy games at higher prices not everyone wants to wait for 5 10 or maybe many more years before that day comes.
Thankfully there are very nice flash carts these days so gameplay wise there should not be an issue for anyone. If you don't like the prices buy a flash carts and be done with it. Were even in that era that saturn can be emulated. If there were no great deals around I would personally for sure just get a flash cart and get an og xbox for emulation for cd systems and be done with it, only a handfull of nostalgic titles for me really.
If a price drop ever comes in my theory it means that the majority is not interested in this hobby anymore including pretty much all people here on the forums. Still though when that time comes It's pretty pointless since a long time has passed and allot of people do not want to play them games anymore.
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You're suggesting NES prices will go down soon? I'm still finding this hard to believe.
The common stuff is
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The writing is on the wall everywhere; retro collecting is starting to lose steam as indicated by the increased availability of retro titles at local stores, many collectors getting out of the hobby, and most of all historic pricing trend data showing that prices on nearly every retro system are either plateauing or falling. The NES and SNES are particularly plateauing for the past half year while most of the retro Sega consoles, especially Saturn is crashing hard right now. Likewise PS1 prices are coming down hard right now too.
Sure, there are games here in there in each respective console library that are contradicting these overall trends, but overall reto gaming is finally hitting that same place that comics, toys, sports cards, and even Atari games hot before it. I knew it would happen, it was just a matter of time.
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NES and SNES hit their peak in the lead off to Christmas 2016 and then retrenched a little only recently have I noticed another downward trend with them.
N64 is still going up, but that will plateau and then fall back too in the next 1 to 3 years.
Oddly, Atari seems to have gone up a little bit. Thats got to be people who don't know what they are doing though, right? And yet I always have old ladies coming up to me and saying they brought an Atari recently to play childhood games again so ehh, what do I know.
I don't think prices will ever collapse though (or, at least, not for decades) they will just find a non-bubbled price to sit at for a stable -not burgeoning- collector's market. Think of it in the way you would action figures or pre-1980s sports cards, some will be worth a lot, some will be worth a bit and some will be worthless.
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You're suggesting NES prices will go down soon? I'm still finding this hard to believe.
It already is, dude. It's not gonna be quick, it's not gonna crash out- I think the public concept of "games are collectable & therefore valuable" has taken root too firmly for that- but we're definitely in the downturn now.
I have seen the uptick in Atari as well, and in Fairchild Channel F of all things too. I think what we're seeing is a market stabilization. Basically, people jumped at the NES stuff they grew up on & ballooned the prices up. Now the nostalgia buyers are moving away entirely, while the diehards are/have branched out to systems that cost less to buy for. So we're seeing big systems start to come down & traditionally cheap systems start to go up.
Do I expect to see huge trends in either? No- I don't think people will start paying top dollar for systems they picked up as a budget option. Plus, even if you're not actively buying for a favorite system, you tend to check on prices from time to time anyway- meaning once the big games start coming down, people will start jumping to buy them. Which, of course, means the prices don't drop any lower.
Basically, the rush is over, and we're starting to see what the market will truly bear now.
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Here's what I'm noticing. Not just around these forums, but on other retro groups, conventions that I've been too, and my own personal feelings.
Prices are starting to trickle down. Here's my theory on why. Folks that started this way back in the day got spoiled by low prices and being able to buy stuff constantly. We amassed huge collections for pennies on the dollar. Now, that stuff isn't out there anymore. It's not fun for a lot of us to spend real dollar amounts on games. That thrill of the hunt isn't there. It's not worth it. When the fun was gone, we were left with piles of totes that are worth money now.
A lot of folks have started families, or bought houses, or other grown up things. The collections get sold and put towards family stuff. I've seen a few serious collectors on different groups do this. They just got tired of it and got out of the game.
To bring it back to actual rational thought instead of my gut feelings. The above causes 2 things for supply and demand. It adds more copies of rare/uncommon/hard to find to the pool, and it takes one more buyer out of the community. If you look strictly at those factors, the prices will come down.
Then, there's the thing that a lot of us are getting older and just losing interest. For the last few years, I've seen a lot of the same faces at conventions. It seems like every year, there will be one or two guys that are missing. It won't be long and the original group won't be there anymore.
Whew! That was a lot of rambling.
TL;DR Folks are growing up and losing interest.
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I've speculated for years that this was going to happen and that this is similar to the Atari bust years ago.
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Another big thing I'd say is affecting prices is the changing focus of active collectors. A large amount people get into retro game collecting because they want to be nostalgic and get the games of their childhoods. However, with the core demographic (17-35 years old), we're reaching the point where the 4th generation is mostly becoming "before their time", so there's not as much desire to collect those older games. A 20-some year old is now more likely to have grown up with a N64 or PS1 than to have with a SNES or Genesis.
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Not to mention the limited game boom where tons of "limited" games are coming out that folks just don't have the money to dedicate to retro anymore.
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Psp is Spiking quite a bit, same with ps2 and n64 stuff from what i've noticed. Nes and snes stuff is starting to drop a bit tho (not that i care about those systems). :P
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Psp is Spiking quite a bit, same with ps2 and n64 stuff from what i've noticed. Nes and snes stuff is starting to drop a bit tho (not that i care about those systems). :P
Psp spiking quite a bit? that has to be a joke Psp prices are cheap even the very few expensive games are laugable compared to other consoles. There are a few limited edition here and there that are in the higher price ranges 100+ $ and some very limited released 300 piece games but those were always expensive to begin with and very limited hard to get anyways.
If that's a spike It's a pretty minor one Hexyz force one of the more rare sought after normal games has stayed in the 30 - 40 $ range if I am not mistaken. Psp will never be an expensive console since it mostly is an inferior ps2 console with some exclusives. It's the king of console ports on a handheld nothing more nothing less it is almost never the best way to play a game.
Also class of heroes 2 psp very limited release of less than 3000 in 2013 has most definitly not increased it's price maybe even a decrease one can get it for 60 - 80$ factory sealed with certificate I have no clue why one might think psp is spiking in any way. Pretty riciulous considering that the majority of the few expensive games that are on the psp are in the 30 - 50$ range including most of the special editions. Many of those so called expensive games have stayed in those very same prices with a slight in or decrease for many years.
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Another big thing I'd say is affecting prices is the changing focus of active collectors. A large amount people get into retro game collecting because they want to be nostalgic and get the games of their childhoods. However, with the core demographic (17-35 years old), we're reaching the point where the 4th generation is mostly becoming "before their time", so there's not as much desire to collect those older games. A 20-some year old is now more likely to have grown up with a N64 or PS1 than to have with a SNES or Genesis.
Today's twenty year olds we're five in 2003, they grew up with SpongeBob on PS2. In a few years we'll be dealing with 360 kids and only then will things slow down. And man, if views regarding emulation don't change, working 360s are going to fetch quite a price.
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For new used stock, I see some prices coming down, but unfortunately I am not seeing existing priced items getting new price tags. That seems to be the case at any shops selling older games. Ebay is a crap shoot for me. The volume is down and I think that the buyers (maybe indicative of the amount of collectors in total?) are down also. I say this because some things that should sell at listed prices do not, other things can be gotten quite easily. I only look at Auctions for this experience. For Ebay while it seems like it is getting better, because the volume is down it feel more like it is doing a lateral move.
I think that once CRT TVs fully disappear from thrift stores is when we will see a big drop in the game market. The small one we are seeing now seems to be relating to that. Because without a proper display, or a proper upscaler, there will be less demand. While we may like to think people collect video games for the heck of it, collectors (of anything) are always in the minority of a market. The common folk had gotten into games, which was why the scalpers/resellers got into it and everyone was trying to sell SMB3 for $50.
The dedicated gamers or collectors will always be there, but they do not effect market prices except for certain items. The overall market is dictated by the regular joe, or the other 95% (to use a Hasbro analogy).
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I think that once CRT TVs fully disappear from thrift stores is when we will see a big drop in the game market. The small one we are seeing now seems to be relating to that. Because without a proper display, or a proper upscaler, there will be less demand. While we may like to think people collect video games for the heck of it, collectors (of anything) are always in the minority of a market. The common folk had gotten into games, which was why the scalpers/resellers got into it and everyone was trying to sell SMB3 for $50.
The dedicated gamers or collectors will always be there, but they do not effect market prices except for certain items. The overall market is dictated by the regular joe, or the other 95% (to use a Hasbro analogy).
I'm not so sure about this one- while CRT TVs impeding scarcity will affect certain things, the biggest systems (NES, SNES, Genesis) have many modern clones that are HDMI friendly. Couple that with many (if not all) newer TVs still supporting composite, and the 'average joes' really aren't going to have any trouble finding a way to play these old games. I imagine the few who aren't content with the blurry composite input on their HDTV will be the few willing to ask at a game store/online & will know about the clone systems and upscalers as a result.
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I think that once CRT TVs fully disappear from thrift stores is when we will see a big drop in the game market. The small one we are seeing now seems to be relating to that. Because without a proper display, or a proper upscaler, there will be less demand. While we may like to think people collect video games for the heck of it, collectors (of anything) are always in the minority of a market. The common folk had gotten into games, which was why the scalpers/resellers got into it and everyone was trying to sell SMB3 for $50.
The dedicated gamers or collectors will always be there, but they do not effect market prices except for certain items. The overall market is dictated by the regular joe, or the other 95% (to use a Hasbro analogy).
I'm not so sure about this one- while CRT TVs impeding scarcity will affect certain things, the biggest systems (NES, SNES, Genesis) have many modern clones that are HDMI friendly. Couple that with many (if not all) newer TVs still supporting composite, and the 'average joes' really aren't going to have any trouble finding a way to play these old games. I imagine the few who aren't content with the blurry composite input on their HDTV will be the few willing to ask at a game store/online & will know about the clone systems and upscalers as a result.
I will give him credit though the regular joe theory for the more hyped good games. It's mainly thanks to the gameplay that prices have become that high in this hobby rarity is a bonus for those who want to get deeper into the hobby to get all the rare items for a said nostalgic console, if people seek nostalgic things to the past they don't mind to spend some there are limits though. Only a mere fraction is a serious collector especially with full sets. That mere fraction usually finds more enjoyment into collecting than actually enjoying the gameplay of the better games but the ones that are actually playing them games are the once that increased those prices to begin with except for the very rare items that only very few people aside from the hardcore collectors care about. Than again to each their own everyone has different things to enjoy in the hobby.
Still though I would have expected perfect cheap emulation or flash carts to have a more solid effect on the prices. Than again maybe it has since lose carts are not that expensive and cib collectors are a diffrent breed compared to most collectors since they want the real deal and spend allot more on the cardboard than the cardridge since the differences in prices are usually multiple times the value of lose carts when the condition is nice.
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Anyone saying certain console prices are "spiking" right now are completely wrong. Nothing is spiking overall right now. Nearly everything is plateauing or falling right now. Some consoles were falling pretty hard and then experienced a slight uptick because of people probably capitalizing on the lower prices, creating demand, which drove prices up a little.
As many have said, interest is vanishing among the community, collections are being sold off, and there is a lot of burnout too. Anyone entering the hobby right now or really for the past 4-years is not going to enjoy it like those of us who got into it before that and could find 50 game NES lots for $50 or other awesome deals like that.
This really makes me wonder what the retro gaming community will look like in 5-year or even 10-years from now. Kids that were born in the early/mid 2000s will be the same age as most of us when we got into collecting NES or Genesis games, and obviously most of them have never known what it's like to game on anything that doesn't use CDs, at least for home consoles. At this point I can't see any retro console having more than a handful or really expensive games ($50+), pretty much the same as modern Atari prices.
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Anyone saying certain console prices are "spiking" right now are completely wrong. Nothing is spiking overall right now. Nearly everything is plateauing or falling right now. Some consoles were falling pretty hard and then experienced a slight uptick because of people probably capitalizing on the lower prices, creating demand, which drove prices up a little.
As many have said, interest is vanishing among the community, collections are being sold off, and there is a lot of burnout too. Anyone entering the hobby right now or really for the past 4-years is not going to enjoy it like those of us who got into it before that and could find 50 game NES lots for $50 or other awesome deals like that.
This really makes me wonder what the retro gaming community will look like in 5-year or even 10-years from now. Kids that were born in the early/mid 2000s will be the same age as most of us when we got into collecting NES or Genesis games, and obviously most of them have never known what it's like to game on anything that doesn't use CDs, at least for home consoles. At this point I can't see any retro console having more than a handful or really expensive games ($50+), pretty much the same as modern Atari prices.
Still though I really wonder what will happen with those limited run ps4 games.
I personally would hardly believe that the new generations are the ones that are interested in those even if they grew up with ps4 more for the older generations if I might guess.
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Anyone saying certain console prices are "spiking" right now are completely wrong. Nothing is spiking overall right now. Nearly everything is plateauing or falling right now. Some consoles were falling pretty hard and then experienced a slight uptick because of people probably capitalizing on the lower prices, creating demand, which drove prices up a little.
As many have said, interest is vanishing among the community, collections are being sold off, and there is a lot of burnout too. Anyone entering the hobby right now or really for the past 4-years is not going to enjoy it like those of us who got into it before that and could find 50 game NES lots for $50 or other awesome deals like that.
This really makes me wonder what the retro gaming community will look like in 5-year or even 10-years from now. Kids that were born in the early/mid 2000s will be the same age as most of us when we got into collecting NES or Genesis games, and obviously most of them have never known what it's like to game on anything that doesn't use CDs, at least for home consoles. At this point I can't see any retro console having more than a handful or really expensive games ($50+), pretty much the same as modern Atari prices.
Still though I really wonder what will happen with those limited run ps4 games.
I personally would hardly believe that the new generations are the ones that are interested in those even if they grew up with ps4 more for the older generations if I might guess.
I imagine they'll be sought-after collectables, assuming by the time the ps4 kids grow up enough to have nostalgia money that buying physical anything is still something people do.
I mean, if you look at the games that garner the really big bucks these days, it's the stuff that's fun to play, but didn't sell well. It's not like the people who ran up the price on Little Samson and Earthbound did so becuase they grew up with the games. It's more of a word of mouth thing... adult fans looking to maybe try something new, learn about these games years later & want to give it a go.
That will work in LRG's favor later on, when people remember the games from their digital downloads but can't buy them anymore becuase the store is offline. People will start hunting down LRG's 'good' game releases, which will cause the others to go at least somewhat by association. Kind of like the 'I don't know what this is, but it's Altus so I'll take it' that I experienced at a con swap years ago.
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there is a lot of burnout too.
I think another factor is that there are a lot of other options besides having to track down carts. Many longtime collectors are getting out of buying physical games (besides perhaps some high value items) and buying flashcarts. New flashcarts are coming out for new consoles all the time. Krikkz has the Everdrives and Terraonion released their NeoSD for AES and MVS and just recently the Super SD 3 for PC Engine/PCE CD/Turbo Grafx 16. Options like these take collectors out of the market because then they don't have to buy carts to play games anymore.
And Nintendo has figured out how to get people to pay for roms, which started with Virtual Console, but the obviously more popular NES and SNES mini. People with a nostalgia for Nintendo games are buying these and this is taking people out of the market as well.
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Anyone saying certain console prices are "spiking" right now are completely wrong. Nothing is spiking overall right now. Nearly everything is plateauing or falling right now. Some consoles were falling pretty hard and then experienced a slight uptick because of people probably capitalizing on the lower prices, creating demand, which drove prices up a little.
As many have said, interest is vanishing among the community, collections are being sold off, and there is a lot of burnout too. Anyone entering the hobby right now or really for the past 4-years is not going to enjoy it like those of us who got into it before that and could find 50 game NES lots for $50 or other awesome deals like that.
This really makes me wonder what the retro gaming community will look like in 5-year or even 10-years from now. Kids that were born in the early/mid 2000s will be the same age as most of us when we got into collecting NES or Genesis games, and obviously most of them have never known what it's like to game on anything that doesn't use CDs, at least for home consoles. At this point I can't see any retro console having more than a handful or really expensive games ($50+), pretty much the same as modern Atari prices.
Still though I really wonder what will happen with those limited run ps4 games.
I personally would hardly believe that the new generations are the ones that are interested in those even if they grew up with ps4 more for the older generations if I might guess.
I imagine they'll be sought-after collectables, assuming by the time the ps4 kids grow up enough to have nostalgia money that buying physical anything is still something people do.
I mean, if you look at the games that garner the really big bucks these days, it's the stuff that's fun to play, but didn't sell well. It's not like the people who ran up the price on Little Samson and Earthbound did so becuase they grew up with the games. It's more of a word of mouth thing... adult fans looking to maybe try something new, learn about these games years later & want to give it a go.
That will work in LRG's favor later on, when people remember the games from their digital downloads but can't buy them anymore becuase the store is offline. People will start hunting down LRG's 'good' game releases, which will cause the others to go at least somewhat by association. Kind of like the 'I don't know what this is, but it's Altus so I'll take it' that I experienced at a con swap years ago.
but most LRG releases are based of old games why would a new generation be interested in say shantaea or some old shoot em ups with some extra options wild guns reloaded not LRG but still would make little sense to me.
I can understand some popular normal games horizon dawn witcher gravity rush actual ps4 games but not indy games based on older games.
Also little samson and earthbound are the kind of games that people like that being said many of the more affordable sought after games have somewhat the same genre's so It's not really the same like the indy retro scene on ps4.
Little samson is an action platformer people dig these kind of games on 8 bit systems plenty of other nes games that fit that genre it just so happens that little samson is one of the better ones. Earthbound is an old school rpg with a different twist but still the kind of game that people dig so obviously many people want to own and play them.
Also some ps2 shoot emups that are pretty high priced in europe do not fitt the bill for your ps2 nostalgia collector, maybe an excuse for some sega saturn lovers etc since those are arcade ports of old games mostly of those older sega consoles or arcade machines only. I'm pretty sure different collectors than ps2 nostalgia collectors. Rules of rose kuon I guess since survival horror is a big thing on ps2 and people love that genre thanks to the actual popular games like resident evil and silent hill.
I agree with the word to mouth thing since most likely not many have played these rare games but at the very least they fit the genres of the more popular classics of that generation I'm not seeing that with those LRG on ps4 since those are games based on the past. In my opinion probably allot of collectors who find the ps4 to fill their gap for retro stuff older generations of collectors.
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but most LRG releases are based of old games why would a new generation be interested in say shantaea or some old shoot em ups with some extra options wild guns reloaded not LRG but still would make little sense to me.
I can understand some popular normal games horizon dawn witcher gravity rush actual ps4 games but not indy games based on older games.
Also little samson and earthbound are the kind of games that people like that being said many of the more affordable sought after games have somewhat the same genre's so It's not really the same like the indy retro scene on ps4.
Little samson is an action platformer people dig these kind of games on 8 bit systems plenty of other nes games that fit that genre it just so happens that little samson is one of the better ones. Earthbound is an old school rpg with a different twist but still the kind of game that people dig so obviously many people want to own and play them.
Also some ps2 shoot emups that are pretty high priced in europe do not fitt the bill for your ps2 nostalgia collector, maybe an excuse for some sega saturn lovers etc since those are arcade ports of old games mostly of those older sega consoles or arcade machines only. I'm pretty sure different collectors than ps2 nostalgia collectors. Rules of rose kuon I guess since survival horror is a big thing on ps2 and people love that genre thanks to the actual popular games like resident evil and silent hill.
I agree with the word to mouth thing since most likely not many have played these rare games but at the very least they fit the genres of the more popular classics of that generation I'm not seeing that with those LRG on ps4 since those are games based on the past. In my opinion probably allot of collectors who find the ps4 to fill their gap for retro stuff older generations of collectors.
You say the games LRG is releasing won't gain notoriety due to being indie throwbacks, and the holy grails of gaming are typically hidden gems of genres/game styles popular during the system's heyday. Here's the thing though- right now, one of the most popular type of games out there IS indie throwbacks! From underwhelming but overhyped titles like Yooka-Laylee and Mighty No. 9, to critical darlings like Cuphead & Stardew Valley, the kind of games LRG is putting out are a trend of the current era. I just find it unlikely that, of all the titles they've got, they aren't going to hit at least a few that build an audience later on. I think the bigger threat to LRG games becoming properly collectible down the road is a general move away from physical game collecting- which is already happening, it seems.
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but most LRG releases are based of old games why would a new generation be interested in say shantaea or some old shoot em ups with some extra options wild guns reloaded not LRG but still would make little sense to me.
I can understand some popular normal games horizon dawn witcher gravity rush actual ps4 games but not indy games based on older games.
Also little samson and earthbound are the kind of games that people like that being said many of the more affordable sought after games have somewhat the same genre's so It's not really the same like the indy retro scene on ps4.
Little samson is an action platformer people dig these kind of games on 8 bit systems plenty of other nes games that fit that genre it just so happens that little samson is one of the better ones. Earthbound is an old school rpg with a different twist but still the kind of game that people dig so obviously many people want to own and play them.
Also some ps2 shoot emups that are pretty high priced in europe do not fitt the bill for your ps2 nostalgia collector, maybe an excuse for some sega saturn lovers etc since those are arcade ports of old games mostly of those older sega consoles or arcade machines only. I'm pretty sure different collectors than ps2 nostalgia collectors. Rules of rose kuon I guess since survival horror is a big thing on ps2 and people love that genre thanks to the actual popular games like resident evil and silent hill.
I agree with the word to mouth thing since most likely not many have played these rare games but at the very least they fit the genres of the more popular classics of that generation I'm not seeing that with those LRG on ps4 since those are games based on the past. In my opinion probably allot of collectors who find the ps4 to fill their gap for retro stuff older generations of collectors.
You say the games LRG is releasing won't gain notoriety due to being indie throwbacks, and the holy grails of gaming are typically hidden gems of genres/game styles popular during the system's heyday. Here's the thing though- right now, one of the most popular type of games out there IS indie throwbacks! From underwhelming but overhyped titles like Yooka-Laylee and Mighty No. 9, to critical darlings like Cuphead & Stardew Valley, the kind of games LRG is putting out are a trend of the current era. I just find it unlikely that, of all the titles they've got, they aren't going to hit at least a few that build an audience later on. I think the bigger threat to LRG games becoming properly collectible down the road is a general move away from physical game collecting- which is already happening, it seems.
Yea sure those indi throwbacks are the most popular games for the retro gaming scene that is. The normal ps4 audience is not super interested in those kind of games the big titles those are the games that are for the new generation that grew up with ps4 those are actual ps4 titles. The vast majority of those indi game sales are from people who enjoy retro games not from the normal audience It's a niche even titles as cup head wich do have a slight edge of being disney otherwise It's all retro gaming scene. Yooka Laylee was made especially for n64 collecta ton fans might no 9 was a mega man like game. Stardew valley is a 16 bit game.
There is no connection to the normal ps4 library with such games if i'm honest It's quite the different story compared to the older consoles since the indy games are especially made for those of the retro gaming scene. Without the retro gaming scene there was no LRG and there would be far less retro styled indi games. LRG and the other retro indy games are for the older generations and the people who like retro stuff not the people who grew up with ps4.
At this moment LRG have plenty of attention since people who enjoy retro games will buy from them however when years pass and those people lose interest I highly doubt that the generation that grew up with ps4 would pick a retro styled indy game. Maybe nier, witcher horizon dawn GTA some racing game you name it actual ps4 games from the time.
Also As far as holy grails go, Snes in paticular pretty much all the rarities are great games For nes there are far less titles but just a few wich are super rare and excellent. In most cases very rare games are just plain bad but snes is the exception to this rule compared to most other consoles for the very high end stuff wich are excellent games. Even if the games were uncommon and fairly expensive they would be loved since they fit the genre of other popular series of the time. Even pretty expensive non holy grail items are your typical hidden gems on for example snes, they are interesting, and another experience in loved genre that was typical for the time or in rare cases a unique game but in a 16 bit style with some elements of good games. It still is the 16 bit era even if the gameplay is unique. The indy scene however is a throwback to the past generations with some tweeks and extra's in the current era it has no connection to the ps4 or xbox one.
Just look at some sought after games on snes they are typical games in typical genre's meant for the console of the time.
Hagane a fantastic action platformer
Sunset riders your typical run and gun arcade game
Earthbound 16 bit rpg
Mega man X3 need I say any more
EVO and pocky and rocky are pretty different since these are rare niche genre's but they are 16 bit styled in music and grapics and have elements of other games of the time.
If you liked the more common games of these genre or certain elements than obviously you will proabably like any of these no questions asked. Pretty much no one has played those games however they have elements, music, grapics or are in the same genre as some of the more popular well known series wich they did play in the past.
I'm not saying LRG is bad I find them games pretty interesting I just don't see new generations picking them up since these games are targetted at the older audience wich are collecting retro games. Maybe a very small amount but I can imagine it being a pretty rare thing. It's pretty different compared to older consoles with actual games of the time actual nostalgia.
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I think people are moving to other collections, too.
I sure has as hell have been seeing a surge of collectors in the horror & VHS stuff. That stuff used to be plentiful like retro gaming was in the early 2000s. It's starting to dry up out there. And my VHS collecting group on Facebook has practically doubled in size in the last year.
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I think people are moving to other collections, too.
I sure has as hell have been seeing a surge of collectors in the horror & VHS stuff. That stuff used to be plentiful like retro gaming was in the early 2000s. It's starting to dry up out there. And my VHS collecting group on Facebook has practically doubled in size in the last year.
Tell me about it I walk into one of my local goodwills and there are like 5 people sitting on the ground and blocking the aisle with their carts full of the and I was like seriously I just want to look at the games.
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I think people are moving to other collections, too.
I sure has as hell have been seeing a surge of collectors in the horror & VHS stuff. That stuff used to be plentiful like retro gaming was in the early 2000s. It's starting to dry up out there. And my VHS collecting group on Facebook has practically doubled in size in the last year.
A ton of people that are/were into retro games went that route. It was cheap and fun to do. Look out Betamax. Folks will be coming for you.
I think it's fun for people to collect stuff. If they have an interest in it, it doesn't matter what it is.
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I think people are moving to other collections, too.
I sure has as hell have been seeing a surge of collectors in the horror & VHS stuff. That stuff used to be plentiful like retro gaming was in the early 2000s. It's starting to dry up out there. And my VHS collecting group on Facebook has practically doubled in size in the last year.
A ton of people that are/were into retro games went that route. It was cheap and fun to do. Look out Betamax. Folks will be coming for you.
I think it's fun for people to collect stuff. If they have an interest in it, it doesn't matter what it is.
Betamax is already rare and expensive. Try to find a cheap, working betamax player, you can't.
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I think people are moving to other collections, too.
I sure has as hell have been seeing a surge of collectors in the horror & VHS stuff. That stuff used to be plentiful like retro gaming was in the early 2000s. It's starting to dry up out there. And my VHS collecting group on Facebook has practically doubled in size in the last year.
A ton of people that are/were into retro games went that route. It was cheap and fun to do. Look out Betamax. Folks will be coming for you.
I think it's fun for people to collect stuff. If they have an interest in it, it doesn't matter what it is.
Betamax is already rare and expensive. Try to find a cheap, working betamax player, you can't.
I'm pretty sure that people who have been in this hobby for a long time have already found that cheap beta max player for their tapes including the both of you unless ofcourse your just starting to collect for it thanks to other people the reason for it being big. If the last part is the reason that one starts to collect for it because it is wanted by others and starting to have value It's a pretty dum reason in my opinion.
For long time collectors I see little reason to complain at least for the beta max players you should have a high end one by now if it was that plentifull not to mention to actually begin and appreciate the hobby unless your collecting vhs already. except ofcourse if your doing it for the thrill of finding something valuable for cheap, than again that's not a solid reason in my opinion.
It is obviously a shame for the more rare horror tapes though since obviously those were harder to find but a beta max player without it you can't even start with the hobby except the collecting part as far as movies go. There are also high end vhs players wich are desirable but I guess It's a bit more easy since regular non high end vhs players are plentifull.
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Betamax and VHS are 2 different formats.
Most movie collectors have a DVD and Blu-Ray Player. Many have a VCR (VHS). Not everyone has a betmax player. It didn't have a long shelf life. It lost the format war with VHS like HD-DVD did to Blu-Ray. So it's harder to find them since so many less of them were produced, and they are from the early 80s, so many of those, even, aren't working anymore.
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Betamax and VHS are 2 different formats.
Most movie collectors have a DVD and Blu-Ray Player. Many have a VCR (VHS). Not everyone has a betmax player. It didn't have a long shelf life. It lost the format war with VHS like HD-DVD did to Blu-Ray. So it's harder to find them since so many less of them were produced, and they are from the early 80s, so many of those, even, aren't working anymore.
I do know they are 2 different formats. Beta max a bit higher quality but less time for a movie compared to vhs.
That being said if stuff is that plentyfull and cheap in the past why does one still not have a beta max player. Unless ofcourse it was always hard to find and not to cheap especially the last part being the reason why one never got a betamax player to begin with even in the past. If it isn´t super cheap I can imagine people holding off waiting for a cheap one having bad luck that it has become hyped and even more sought after expensive than it was before.
Obviously with vhs you could already enjoy the hobby, beta max is just slightly higher quality with different beta max tapes but if you really were dedicated and wanted a beta max player even back in the day in my personal opinion one should have already foud one years ago if you were in that hobby for years before it was hyped.
Also I´m pretty sure that more dedicated vhs betmax collectors will focus more on the old stuff and way less on blue ray and dvd if not ignore it. Obviously there are some who are a jack of all trades but many dvd blue ray collectors do not collect and enjoy vhs beta max and vice versa.
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I wish I could look at games at my Goodwill....
Anyways I had a very long post typed up about how LRGs weren't going to be collectible but having typed it out, I think I was wrong. They will be collectible, but not in the way that normal console games are. Instead they will be in the same manner that PC games are. A complete collection will be nearly impossible to get a hold of (seriously, with how low these print runs are, a complete set of LRG Vita games is going to be harder to find than a complete set of NES or PS2 games is,) and few people will try. But there will be lots of interest from certain people in getting a hold of certain titles, and the games will retain value until the day that no one cares about physical media anymore. The only thing is, LRG's offerings will not be considered in the same way that any other company's will, and most collectors will have them off in a side bar along with NFRS games, demo disks, special editions, beta hardware, etc. and the think nothing of the fact that their otherwise complete collection does not contain copies of them. Perhaps they will redefine the default collection to be "sold in retail stores" or something else like that to exclude them or perhaps everyone will just get together and decide that forced scarcity is ridiculous from the stand-point of collecting childhood memories, especially when as a child you wouldn't have been buying from LRG anyway.
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I wish I could look at games at my Goodwill....
Anyways I had a very long post typed up about how LRGs weren't going to be collectible but having typed it out, I think I was wrong. They will be collectible, but not in the way that normal console games are. Instead they will be in the same manner that PC games are. A complete collection will be nearly impossible to get a hold of (seriously, with how low these print runs are, a complete set of LRG Vita games is going to be harder to find than a complete set of NES or PS2 games is,) and few people will try. But there will be lots of interest from certain people in getting a hold of certain titles, and the games will retain value until the day that no one cares about physical media anymore. The only thing is, LRG's offerings will not be considered in the same way that any other company's will, and most collectors will have them off in a side bar along with NFRS games, demo disks, special editions, beta hardware, etc. and the think nothing of the fact that their otherwise complete collection does not contain copies of them. Perhaps they will redefine the default collection to be "sold in retail stores" or something else like that to exclude them or perhaps everyone will just get together and decide that forced scarcity is ridiculous from the stand-point of collecting childhood memories, especially when as a child you wouldn't have been buying from LRG anyway.
That's largely my thoughts too- When all is said & done I think they'll be a few games in the run that achieve proper collectible status, but most of them will be collectible by association. Years ago, I was at an anime convention swap meet, and I had 2 copies of Trap Gunner for PS1 on the table. It's not rare or expensive, and was even less so back then- but those games still got picked up within minutes. At the same time acutally, and the guys who took them laughed becuase they grabbed them for the same reason- "I don't know this game at all, but it's Atlus." I really see a similar situation with LRG in the future- where publisher reputation rather than game quality causes interest & therefore raises prices.
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I wish I could look at games at my Goodwill....
Anyways I had a very long post typed up about how LRGs weren't going to be collectible but having typed it out, I think I was wrong. They will be collectible, but not in the way that normal console games are. Instead they will be in the same manner that PC games are. A complete collection will be nearly impossible to get a hold of (seriously, with how low these print runs are, a complete set of LRG Vita games is going to be harder to find than a complete set of NES or PS2 games is,) and few people will try. But there will be lots of interest from certain people in getting a hold of certain titles, and the games will retain value until the day that no one cares about physical media anymore. The only thing is, LRG's offerings will not be considered in the same way that any other company's will, and most collectors will have them off in a side bar along with NFRS games, demo disks, special editions, beta hardware, etc. and the think nothing of the fact that their otherwise complete collection does not contain copies of them. Perhaps they will redefine the default collection to be "sold in retail stores" or something else like that to exclude them or perhaps everyone will just get together and decide that forced scarcity is ridiculous from the stand-point of collecting childhood memories, especially when as a child you wouldn't have been buying from LRG anyway.
That's largely my thoughts too- When all is said & done I think they'll be a few games in the run that achieve proper collectible status, but most of them will be collectible by association. Years ago, I was at an anime convention swap meet, and I had 2 copies of Trap Gunner for PS1 on the table. It's not rare or expensive, and was even less so back then- but those games still got picked up within minutes. At the same time acutally, and the guys who took them laughed becuase they grabbed them for the same reason- "I don't know this game at all, but it's Atlus." I really see a similar situation with LRG in the future- where publisher reputation rather than game quality causes interest & therefore raises prices.
Trap gunner is actually a very good ps1 game gameplay wise seriously not just an atlus game If an atlus game is bad it is worthelss unless it is very rare. look around for bad atlus games and you will see cheap ones wich are random racing games etc wich are just as uncommon or rare but gameplay wise not interesting at all.
not to mention that there are plenty of valuable excellent games from very unknown publishers.
There are atlus games out there that are trash and they are worthless since no one wants them Back in the past trap gunner was less known that's all and even now not that known but more people have heard about it.
trauma center series on wii and ds gameplay wise it's pretty bad in my opinion very cheap series since proabably many think the same thing and most will only pick it up because it is atlus.
Just because certain games have a certain brand it is not guaranteed that they will have value, if the game is great and at least uncommon than yes but there are allot of cases in wich the games aren;t that great and thus they remain ignored. Look at examples of taito hudson soft to name just a few.
Allot of games that were cheap back than were less known hagane sunset riders etc, yet when more people know when a game is good the price might increase. The more rare it is the more valuable will it become especially is a game is excellent.
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Betamax and VHS are 2 different formats.
Most movie collectors have a DVD and Blu-Ray Player. Many have a VCR (VHS). Not everyone has a betmax player. It didn't have a long shelf life. It lost the format war with VHS like HD-DVD did to Blu-Ray. So it's harder to find them since so many less of them were produced, and they are from the early 80s, so many of those, even, aren't working anymore.
I do know they are 2 different formats. Beta max a bit higher quality but less time for a movie compared to vhs.
That being said if stuff is that plentyfull and cheap in the past why does one still not have a beta max player. Unless ofcourse it was always hard to find and not to cheap especially the last part being the reason why one never got a betamax player to begin with even in the past. If it isn´t super cheap I can imagine people holding off waiting for a cheap one having bad luck that it has become hyped and even more sought after expensive than it was before.
Obviously with vhs you could already enjoy the hobby, beta max is just slightly higher quality with different beta max tapes but if you really were dedicated and wanted a beta max player even back in the day in my personal opinion one should have already foud one years ago if you were in that hobby for years before it was hyped.
Also I´m pretty sure that more dedicated vhs betmax collectors will focus more on the old stuff and way less on blue ray and dvd if not ignore it. Obviously there are some who are a jack of all trades but many dvd blue ray collectors do not collect and enjoy vhs beta max and vice versa.
What? Where do you get the idea that most movie collectors collect exclusively one format?
And I'm not sure why you keep trying to insinuate I'm new to this. Not having a betamax player, which I clearly already explained to you is rare and why it's rare, means Jack squat.
My dad was a movie collector. I have always been around that and comics because of him. I inherited what he had left when he passed away, as well. Guess what, he didn't have betamax either. He had VHS and DVD.
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Betamax and VHS are 2 different formats.
Most movie collectors have a DVD and Blu-Ray Player. Many have a VCR (VHS). Not everyone has a betmax player. It didn't have a long shelf life. It lost the format war with VHS like HD-DVD did to Blu-Ray. So it's harder to find them since so many less of them were produced, and they are from the early 80s, so many of those, even, aren't working anymore.
I do know they are 2 different formats. Beta max a bit higher quality but less time for a movie compared to vhs.
That being said if stuff is that plentyfull and cheap in the past why does one still not have a beta max player. Unless ofcourse it was always hard to find and not to cheap especially the last part being the reason why one never got a betamax player to begin with even in the past. If it isn´t super cheap I can imagine people holding off waiting for a cheap one having bad luck that it has become hyped and even more sought after expensive than it was before.
Obviously with vhs you could already enjoy the hobby, beta max is just slightly higher quality with different beta max tapes but if you really were dedicated and wanted a beta max player even back in the day in my personal opinion one should have already foud one years ago if you were in that hobby for years before it was hyped.
Also I´m pretty sure that more dedicated vhs betmax collectors will focus more on the old stuff and way less on blue ray and dvd if not ignore it. Obviously there are some who are a jack of all trades but many dvd blue ray collectors do not collect and enjoy vhs beta max and vice versa.
What? Where do you get the idea that most movie collectors collect exclusively one format?
And I'm not sure why you keep trying to insinuate I'm new to this. Not having a betamax player, which I clearly already explained to you is rare and why it's rare, means Jack squat.
My dad was a movie collector. I have always been around that and comics because of him. I inherited what he had left when he passed away, as well. Guess what, he didn't have betamax either. He had VHS and DVD.
Betamax and vhs are the same kinda movies. While at the dvd era It's totally different that's my only point. no cheesy horror films, no godzilla etc Harry potter and lord of the rings, pirates of the caribean seem pretty much a totally different thing as far as movie collecting goes or am I wrong? I did say that there are some who collect all but i'm pretty sure that there are also plenty of people who focus on the older stuff, dvd format except for the remasters of old tapes are usually different kind of movies. Modern movie fans Are not always the kind of people that appreciate the cheesy old school classics, vice versa the old school fans do not appreciate the more modern movies of today.
Also as far as rarity goes since beta max is a failed format, If beta max players were even rare back in the day even when the format has failed and many people moved on with them high online prices it was always expensive to begin with. In that case even if more people joined the hobby it would make little difference since it was always expensive from the very beginning.
I've seen some forums and if it was already expensive in 2008 probably allot earlier as well if one does some research, if that were the case I guess there is very little to complain about since it was already sought after, prices seem to be pretty much the same as today really. I've seen some mention that there were quite allot of adds of available beta max players on other forums in a certain period before it became sought after but that was a very long time ago.
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/296547-Does-anyone-have-a-PAL-BetaMax-Player
The prices are in the hundreds even back than and probably allot earlier seems to me prices are the same and that was pretty much 10 years ago. I really am curious when it became sought after since prices were even that high back than.
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trauma center series on wii and ds gameplay wise it's pretty bad in my opinion very cheap series since proabably many think the same thing and most will only pick it up because it is atlus.
Yes, that is exactly my point- certain titles get a boost in interest, and therefore value, by virtue of association with a desirable publisher. It doesn't necessarily mean they'll become properly valuable- but they certainly become collectable, and therefore inherently more valuable than something that isn't considered collectable (like sports titles.)
That's what I expect for LRG- scarcity and branding will create a collectable that, while not necessarily gaining value, will likely hold value for most titles. A select few will gain Hidden Gem status & go up in value, and I'm sure a few will lose some value for being too mediocre & obscure- but will always hold some desirability just for being LRG releases.
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I don't know if its that LRG itself will be associated with quality, (I personally think their indie games will come off as being very dated ten or twenty years from now,) as it is that they will be "rare" Vita/PS4/Switch games. Just like how DK64 NFRS is a couple hundred bucks even though its actually worse to play than the regular (and already not all that good) version of the game. Of course I also said that it would be like PC collecting where going for "completion" outside of like a certain company or series is impossible. My closet and attic are chock full of rare and theoretically expensive PC games that just would not sell for that price at a regular game store. I can't help but wonder if LRG will end up the same way.
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What? Where do you get the idea that most movie collectors collect exclusively one format?
My dad was a movie collector. I have always been around that and comics because of him. I inherited what he had left when he passed away, as well. Guess what, he didn't have betamax either. He had VHS and DVD.
Believe it or not, I am a movie collector also. I have more movies than video games (maybe even if you included Steam! :o )
I currently own movies in 12 physical formats. But I would think that most collectors are going to be sticking with the top-end formats of VHS/DVD/BD. I am sure that single format collectors do exist. I have a Betamax player, as you should be able to tell from my pick-up photos I have put in this thread. It doesn't work tho. I've never owned a working one. The top loading Beta players are not expensize, but they are heavy and expensive to ship. The expensive players are the front-loaders, and especially the red front loader! Curiously, the best price for a player often ends up being in the professional range, for whatever that reason is.
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What? Where do you get the idea that most movie collectors collect exclusively one format?
My dad was a movie collector. I have always been around that and comics because of him. I inherited what he had left when he passed away, as well. Guess what, he didn't have betamax either. He had VHS and DVD.
Believe it or not, I am a movie collector also. I have more movies than video games (maybe even if you included Steam! :o )
I currently own movies in 12 physical formats. But I would think that most collectors are going to be sticking with the top-end formats of VHS/DVD/BD. I am sure that single format collectors do exist. I have a Betamax player, as you should be able to tell from my pick-up photos I have put in this thread. It doesn't work tho. I've never owned a working one. The top loading Beta players are not expensize, but they are heavy and expensive to ship. The expensive players are the front-loaders, and especially the red front loader! Curiously, the best price for a player often ends up being in the professional range, for whatever that reason is.
So the proffesional range beta max players are the cheapest?
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What? Where do you get the idea that most movie collectors collect exclusively one format?
My dad was a movie collector. I have always been around that and comics because of him. I inherited what he had left when he passed away, as well. Guess what, he didn't have betamax either. He had VHS and DVD.
Believe it or not, I am a movie collector also. I have more movies than video games (maybe even if you included Steam! :o )
I currently own movies in 12 physical formats. But I would think that most collectors are going to be sticking with the top-end formats of VHS/DVD/BD. I am sure that single format collectors do exist. I have a Betamax player, as you should be able to tell from my pick-up photos I have put in this thread. It doesn't work tho. I've never owned a working one. The top loading Beta players are not expensize, but they are heavy and expensive to ship. The expensive players are the front-loaders, and especially the red front loader! Curiously, the best price for a player often ends up being in the professional range, for whatever that reason is.
So the proffesional range beta max players are the cheapest?
In my experience of looking on Ebay for prices (as noted I still don't have a working one) it seems that non-consumer (pro or portable) models, sold as "working" or not "for parts" are, on average, lower in price than consumer front-loaders. I'm only talking about Sony/US models. Some of the portables (like the SL2000) are technically a consumer model, but is designed to be used with a betamax camera, rather than to just watch movies. There is also the consideration that anything "fancy" such as the red player, or a Hi-Fi model, will be better and thus higher in price. The price ranges for players on Ebay are all over the place, so it is hard to judge the actual of value of these, aside from the "fancy" models.
Laserdisc players are tighter on prices per feature, but VCRs are not anywhere near relatable. You can still get away with using a 4 head Hi-Fi VCR on composite and only pay $5 for the thing. My main VCR would be considered a $5 VCR nowadays, even though I paid $60 or something for it in 1998. It looks fine on the TV and the surround works fine on tapes that support it.
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What? Where do you get the idea that most movie collectors collect exclusively one format?
My dad was a movie collector. I have always been around that and comics because of him. I inherited what he had left when he passed away, as well. Guess what, he didn't have betamax either. He had VHS and DVD.
Believe it or not, I am a movie collector also. I have more movies than video games (maybe even if you included Steam! :o )
I currently own movies in 12 physical formats. But I would think that most collectors are going to be sticking with the top-end formats of VHS/DVD/BD. I am sure that single format collectors do exist. I have a Betamax player, as you should be able to tell from my pick-up photos I have put in this thread. It doesn't work tho. I've never owned a working one. The top loading Beta players are not expensize, but they are heavy and expensive to ship. The expensive players are the front-loaders, and especially the red front loader! Curiously, the best price for a player often ends up being in the professional range, for whatever that reason is.
So the proffesional range beta max players are the cheapest?
In my experience of looking on Ebay for prices (as noted I still don't have a working one) it seems that non-consumer (pro or portable) models, sold as "working" or not "for parts" are, on average, lower in price than consumer front-loaders. I'm only talking about Sony/US models. Some of the portables (like the SL2000) are technically a consumer model, but is designed to be used with a betamax camera, rather than to just watch movies. There is also the consideration that anything "fancy" such as the red player, or a Hi-Fi model, will be better and thus higher in price. The price ranges for players on Ebay are all over the place, so it is hard to judge the actual of value of these, aside from the "fancy" models.
Laserdisc players are tighter on prices per feature, but VCRs are not anywhere near relatable. You can still get away with using a 4 head Hi-Fi VCR on composite and only pay $5 for the thing. My main VCR would be considered a $5 VCR nowadays, even though I paid $60 or something for it in 1998. It looks fine on the TV and the surround works fine on tapes that support it.
Interesting with pc And CRT monitors the proffesional ones are the way to go and can be priced ridiculously. Those PVM or BVM sony screens sometimes over 1K $. Than again for those things your average consumer could not get their hands on one since it was only sold to proffesionals for a business not to mention the way higher retail price than the most high end available units for your average consumers. Nowadays the high end best stuff is also available to the general public not to mention that the PC's on work spaces are pretty average and in most cases unlike back in the day were they were high end better than the best consumer units. Even the places that need the best stuff for certain tasks can be matched if some are dedicated enough to spend allot more than the average ones.
Maybe with betamax players since it was a failed format proffesionalls stopped using them units pretty soon so also the general public got the better ones wich were made later. Not to mention that beta max players were already more expensive than your vhs players. Also as far as fancy ones go, I have noticed that some machines even though they are not superior are collectible because they look nice just for show if were looking at other things.
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I'd say to be careful in representing pro models for anything. PVM and BVM you can find easily with high prices like you describe, but you can also find ones that do not have such a high premium. The difference is that there are way more out there in the hands (or storage) of regular people vs CRT enthuisiasts. CRTs of any sort have no real market value at this point and the people who do want pro (or RGB) monitors are a niche.
But I will say that there may be a big difference between the US and Europe in regards to these things. I already know that there is even a big difference between my area and another state, as I recently found out that PC collecting is apparently boom-town, in every other area except the one I live in. :-X
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I've noticed a slight uptick in Dreamcast prices. Bought a complete copy of D2 last year for around $50, I checked this month and every complete copy on Ebay is going for $80 now. Then there are some of the rarer games like Project Justice that was $60+ when I was in middle school and is now $120+ in my final year of high school
Just cause these are what most people are selling them for doesn't mean it's the price at which people are buying them though
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My copies of Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 on NES seem to have sprouted legs and walked off. So I just re-bought them...both under $10, shipped. And this is off of eBay.
So yeah, there seems to be a noticeable difference with NES game prices...thankfully since that's my favorite retro console.
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I've noticed a slight uptick in Dreamcast prices. Bought a complete copy of D2 last year for around $50, I checked this month and every complete copy on Ebay is going for $80 now. Then there are some of the rarer games like Project Justice that was $60+ when I was in middle school and is now $120+ in my final year of high school
Just cause these are what most people are selling them for doesn't mean it's the price at which people are buying them though
I have a graph to show you
https://www.pricecharting.com/console/sega-dreamcast
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Speaking of D2, I had noticed within the past few months that Ebay no longer will show me listings from Japanese sellers. Sometimes I will see a hit-japan item, but It seems that 2-3 months ago I see nothing from Japan anymore. I remember this because I had a D2 on my WL for some time because I am missing a disc, so I would always search for D2 on Ebay in case I found a good deal or a lot or something.
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I've noticed a slight uptick in Dreamcast prices. Bought a complete copy of D2 last year for around $50, I checked this month and every complete copy on Ebay is going for $80 now. Then there are some of the rarer games like Project Justice that was $60+ when I was in middle school and is now $120+ in my final year of high school
Just cause these are what most people are selling them for doesn't mean it's the price at which people are buying them though
If someone sold a D2 at 80 it has been bought by someone even though the overall value is less thanks to other listings.