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General and Gaming => Classic Video Games => Topic started by: marvelvscapcom2 on November 17, 2018, 07:02:49 pm
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Hello everyone :)
To keep it short and to the point for those who aren't caught up on everything.
1. Diablo Immortal (mobile diablo) gets announced. Everyone rages about it because they didn't like it.
2. Pat the NES punk refers to those getting upset about it as cry babies and claims gamers are entitled.
3. PewDiePie (70 million subscribers) picks up the story, essentially giving Pat (250k subs) the ermac fatality. Just off his sheer fanbase scale. Now all his fans are ravaging Pat's channel with dislikes and unsubs.
4. Everyone hates Pat now.
To stem beyond that a lot of people don't like Pat to begin with, they say he did his pawn stars thing and only went on there to flex his NWC gold and grey carts and that he is very mean to his friend Ian sometimes and really just jumps into topics he doesn't know much about to give half assed opinions and has a fake superficial personality.
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I however disagree with this and like Pat a lot and want to meet him at an expo soon. I like Pat and I think Pat was also 100 percent right with his statement. As a gamer I can admit I fall into this category sometimes. I am 100 percent a whining, hard to please, entitled gamer sometimes as all gamers are I think. We all tend to demand things of Devs without taking consideration intangibles or their feelings, we critique anything and everything we don't like way too harshly almost in a cult like way, we are very over reactive as a community and very unaccepting of things that don't tailor fit our preferences. Which can be frustrating at times.
Where do you stand with Pat the NES punk? Have you met him? Do you like him? :D Or do you not know who he is?
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Pat has always been kind of a slimey hypocrite.
As long as no one is physical assulting him or harassing him, calling him out for his dumbass opinion on his channel or Twitter is fine. Any defense of Diablo Immortal is basically just willingly giving up consumer power, so calling it 'entitlement' is kind of moronic. So, I totally disagree with you, and you should well know if this happens to other things in other industries it is not called 'entitlement', but quality control.
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Pat has always been kind of a slimey hypocrite.
As long as no one is physical assulting him or harassing him, calling him out for his dumbass opinion on his channel or Twitter is fine. Any defense of Diablo Immortal is basically just willingly giving up consumer power, so calling it 'entitlement' is kind of moronic. So, I totally disagree with you, and you should well know if this happens to other things in other industries it is not called 'entitlement', but quality control.
I never thought of it like that :). As the quality control. I guess the gamers being up in arms and being so vocal has also saved us from a lot of thing.
1. Digital only
2. Kinect always on watching you fap
3. Online Only games with no single player
4. Motion control dependency
5. No pandering
Although we are losing our grasp on so many of those, the constant fight keeps us in control.
I think Pat should have worded better looking back.
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It had to be done as far as the booing goes, at least now they might avoid the mobile market since otherwise mobile gaming could be the main thing in the diablo franchise.
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I don't pay attention to him much anymore since he mostly stopped doing his regular show as far as I can tell for awhile now. Watched some of his podcast stuff and flea market stuff awhile back, but there were times where he didn't seem overly knowledgeable about the topics unless it's very retro related and his podcast is very off the cuff, so it's gonna usually lead to regular hot takes on things. That said, he most likely doesn't deserve the shit he's getting, especially from a nasty mob like what PewDiePie is gonna be sending his way, but I'd probably not agree with Pat also, just going off the premise put out as I'm not gonna watch the video.
The uproar might be overblown, it usually is (Battlefield V is a good example of how fucked up it gets), but looking at the information, this was Blizzard just completely doing everything they could wrong. This wasn't the audience that was waiting for some weak looking mobile game, the fans who paid to watch it at home didn't want that, this wasn't the game you ended the keynote on, they had both teased and downplayed Diablo being at the show, it only got worse afterwards when it was noticed that the developer for the game had previously made a mobile Diablo knockoff and was just re-skinning it and adding some extra stuff to make a Diablo game. This was not something that serious fans wanted at all and this was reflected in the feedback.
There's not a single thing wrong with them making a mobile Diablo game, but as EA showed earlier this year with Command & Conquer: Rivals, not keeping your fanbase in mind with these things can go real bad.
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Pat needs to stay away from modern stuff or else he gets too swayed by whatever Ian says.
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I 100% think gamers are overly entitled. Other than sports culture (mainly NFL), the gaming fanatics are the worst, since they constantly cry about literally everything. The Diablo news, PSOne Classic games list, loot crates, day 1 DLC, the XBox One launch, literally any kind of bombshell gets blown way out of proportion, and then gamers feel like they are owed something as if they have common stock with that particular video game company. Think of literally any other hobby that you are into, now imagine :insert lead company: dropping a dud, can you imagine its fans reacting anywhere near as bad as gamers?
I have been playing games since the NES era, and have collected everything from NES all the way up to the current generation, and it is very embarrassing hearing grown adults reacting over something so insignificant in the grand scheme of their lives.
Just my .02
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I unsubbed Pat a little over a year ago because of his obnoxious, smug, know it all attitude that permeated nearly every video he made. To be honest the only reason I stayed subbed for a while was because of the occasional Flea Market Madness video and I thought the Frank videos were entertaining. On that note, I HATE Ian! He is an obnoxious POS just like Pat and almost everything he says it just as annoying, if not more annoying than what Pat says. I guess the transition of his channel to more of a podcast really made me realize how much of a dick he was in real life and how many of his opinions are garbage.
So this controversy is essentially his comeuppance for his shitty attitude that many have been aware of for years. This isn't the first time he attacked gamers for not being happy about something while ironically half his podcast is complaining about various things that happen within the gaming and collecting world. He is a flat out hypocrite and this video is no different.
I completely understand the backlash towards Blizzard; mobile gaming is a casual, watered down experience and to reduce one of the most competitive, complex franchises to a mobile game is worthy of backlash and hate. The Diablo fanbase is experiencing what many others within the gaming community are seeing which is the rapid casualization and watering down of the gaming industry for the sake of making their games accessible to everyone via a mobile game. I have nothing wrong with mobile games, but when a game like Diablo is being made into one I truly believe that is something to get pissed about. It isn't entitlement, it's making your opinions known on how you feel about something and that you don't support it. I hate that mentality that as consumers you should bend over and accept whatever mediocre product is made available to you, and that you should just be "grateful." No, that's not how a consumer/business relationship works! My money is your life's blood and if I choose not to buy your shit than you go out of business! If anything, businesses should be grateful for your business, not release crap that they feel you're expected to buy no matter what. Pat is 100% wrong about this and I hope this experience makes him think twice before spewing stupid shit on his podcast and thinking there are no consequences for it. The viewers have spoken Pat, and think your channel is bullshit.
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PARTIAL QUOTE FROM @MARVELVSCAPCOM2
Hello everyone :)
To keep it short and to the point for those who aren't caught up on everything.
1. Diablo Immortal (mobile diablo) gets announced. Everyone rages about it because they didn't like it.
2. Pat the NES punk refers to those getting upset about it as cry babies and claims gamers are entitled.
3. PewDiePie (70 million subscribers) picks up the story, essentially giving Pat (250k subs) the ermac fatality. Just off his sheer fanbase scale. Now all his fans are ravaging Pat's channel with dislikes and unsubs.
4. Everyone hates Pat now.
To stem beyond that a lot of people don't like Pat to begin with, they say he did his pawn stars thing and only went on there to flex his NWC gold and grey carts and that he is very mean to his friend Ian sometimes and really just jumps into topics he doesn't know much about to give half assed opinions and has a fake superficial personality.
OLDGAMERZ REPLY
I am not too sure what happened. But this looks like a classic case of the bigger guy "Pew Dew Pie" taking advantage of the smaller guy on the internet. of "Pat The NES Punk's" mistake. I don't watch much YouTube anymore or lately. BUT
But one thing you have to consider is sometimes being famous in the world today, does a lot of inflation to the average persons ego. It is vary easy to get a high ego and think you're God, when you're famous. but sometimes we all need to come back to reality and consider what made us famous, and that answer involves the people we're trying to impress. and the fact is if you say something blankly and with an inflated ego you could upset your fans. and you could end up back to where you started. I'd say, Consider where you once were before you were famous, and try to regroup and humble your ego. it happens to the best of us.
both were wrong in my own opinion
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In the immortal words of Phil Anselmo "Fuck em all". Pat and Pew are both garbage. I watched the Pawn Stars episode he was on the day it was aired. It was all over Nintendo age and I knew that he wasnt going to sell and he went on there just to get his name out there more. It was so staged and what not. Hes a self righteous ass who lost his way years ago.
Pewdiepie isnt even a gamer. Hes a loser that has a lot of bigger losers following him cause they dont know any better. Part of the reason Youtube is a cesspool is morons like him.
Are gamers entitled? Fuck yeah they are. Should we be? Fuck yeah we should be. Why should we settle for junk when we dont have to? Diablo Immortal is just a waste of time mobile game. Not really what Diablo fans were waiting for. Its a path a lot of the bigger game companies are going to. Blizzard, Bethesda, EA, Activision, etc ... all are turning into greedy ass corporations who are set to get the most money for the smallest amount of work releasing buggy ass games to the public essentially having the community as a whole be their beta testers.
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In the immortal words of Phil Anselmo "Fuck em all". Pat and Pew are both garbage. I watched the Pawn Stars episode he was on the day it was aired. It was all over Nintendo age and I knew that he wasnt going to sell and he went on there just to get his name out there more. It was so staged and what not. Hes a self righteous ass who lost his way years ago.
Pewdiepie isnt even a gamer. Hes a loser that has a lot of bigger losers following him cause they dont know any better. Part of the reason Youtube is a cesspool is morons like him.
Are gamers entitled? Fuck yeah they are. Should we be? Fuck yeah we should be. Why should we settle for junk when we dont have to? Diablo Immortal is just a waste of time mobile game. Not really what Diablo fans were waiting for. Its a path a lot of the bigger game companies are going to. Blizzard, Bethesda, EA, Activision, etc ... all are turning into greedy ass corporations who are set to get the most money for the smallest amount of work releasing buggy ass games to the public essentially having the community as a whole be their beta testers.
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I however disagree with this and like Pat a lot and want to meet him at an expo soon. I like Pat and I think Pat was also 100 percent right with his statement.
Jesus Christ you really cannot be this imbecilic. I can understand wanting to remain positive and optimistic because you're starstruck but this guy has shown on more than one occasion that he's a twat and less than knowledgeable blowhard. Yet you're still captivated by him in this odd psuedo-Stockholm Syndrome-esque way. ???
As a gamer I can admit I fall into this category sometimes. I am 100 percent a whining, hard to please, entitled gamer sometimes as all gamers are I think. We all tend to demand things of Devs without taking consideration intangibles or their feelings, we critique anything and everything we don't like way too harshly almost in a cult like way, we are very over reactive as a community and very unaccepting of things that don't tailor fit our preferences. Which can be frustrating at times.
Soera did a good job explaining it above but what both you and Pat both are missing in this ONE ISOLATED INSTANCE regarding Diablo Mobile is that Blizzard was teasing and hyping something big for Diablo fans with a lot speculating it would be a new expansion or even a new sequel. Instead they trot out this mobile game not even developed by them and expected the masses to buy in like doting sheep. Fans were hoodwinked and were rightly upset that Blizzard was finally succumbing to the Kotick-Creep that everyone was dreading since the merger of Activision and Blizzard.
Pat the Pretentious Twat was completely wrong about the whole Diablo thing and if you agree with him that doesn't speak very highly of your character. As for the whole being entitled thing, you're throwing out the baby with the bath water. It's growing tiresome that all of these companies want to view their customers as nothing more than revenue streams because they caught on to a scheme with loot boxes/DLC and greed set its hooks in. Why is it so unreasonable anymore for companies to just make a (complete) good product and not nickel/dime their customers over every little thing?
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Pat is fairly unknown to me, and I've never really watched or listened to any of his stuff.
Most of us have seen the horrible cesspool that mobile gaming has become, and has only itself to blame for its image. Sure, there are exceptions but they are far and few between and struggle to get noted because the cesspool is so vast and deep.
I understand that there are some gamers who are *very* passionate about a particular franchise or game, to the point that they vocally demand certain features, andd developers can no longer actually design a game in peace -- the so-called "toxic" fans with "toxic" entitlement. They demand that a game be exactly like they want it to be, or damn it all to hell. Harassment, accusations of SJWs, and what have you follows.
However, this Diablo Immortal fiasco showed that there are many ardent fans, not by any means toxic or toxicly entitled that trust one of their favorite developers to treat a franchise right. I think they have the right to voice their displeasure when the developer in question undermines that trust this flagrantly. ActiBlizz are obviously chasing profit margins and the bottom dollar instead of actually designing fun and engaging (engaging in the right way) video games. It's about monetizing a game in perpetutity, consequences be damned. Doesn't help that they teamed up with a company that made its fortunes with downright exploitative and predatory mobile "games" imaginable.
Having said that, the mobiles games market and attitudes toward it is markedly different in Asia vs. the West. Why ActiBlizz chose to reveal a mobile game aimed at the Asian market during BlizzCon in the US is beyond me.
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Gamers are absolutely entitled, and get way too upset over things that are either unimportant, or not designed to make their specific subset of gamer happy.
However, I don't think the Diablo Immortal blowblack is unwarranted due to how it was presented. If this was announced at an E3, a PAX, a general nerdery event, the vitriol would be far too strong. But it wasn't- it was the Big Announcement of an event laser-focused to a hardcore PC crowd. As the article on the Escapist put it, this is like having Paramount tease a big reveal at a Star Trek convention, then dropping a Transformers trailer. Add to that the track record of PC stalwart titles constantly being dumbed down for consoles or ripped open for terrible mobile monetization, and you've got the perfect storm of misreading an audience- "thanks PC fans for paying money to come to our big infomercial! And now, the Grand Finale- we're taking one of your favorite franchises, having someone remake it for a completely different audience then you, and do a shitty job of it- and if the new market pays up, we're going to ignore you entirely! Aren't you excited?! Why aren't you clapping- don't you have phones?"
Yeah... there's a difference between whining over the lead character's genitals and being mad that you paid money to find out your favorite game company doesn't see you as a viable customer anymore. In this case, Entitle Away!
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In the immortal words of Phil Anselmo "Fuck em all". Pat and Pew are both garbage. I watched the Pawn Stars episode he was on the day it was aired. It was all over Nintendo age and I knew that he wasnt going to sell and he went on there just to get his name out there more. It was so staged and what not. Hes a self righteous ass who lost his way years ago.
Pewdiepie isnt even a gamer. Hes a loser that has a lot of bigger losers following him cause they dont know any better. Part of the reason Youtube is a cesspool is morons like him.
Are gamers entitled? Fuck yeah they are. Should we be? Fuck yeah we should be. Why should we settle for junk when we dont have to? Diablo Immortal is just a waste of time mobile game. Not really what Diablo fans were waiting for. Its a path a lot of the bigger game companies are going to. Blizzard, Bethesda, EA, Activision, etc ... all are turning into greedy ass corporations who are set to get the most money for the smallest amount of work releasing buggy ass games to the public essentially having the community as a whole be their beta testers.
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I however disagree with this and like Pat a lot and want to meet him at an expo soon. I like Pat and I think Pat was also 100 percent right with his statement.
Jesus Christ you really cannot be this imbecilic. I can understand wanting to remain positive and optimistic because you're starstruck but this guy has shown on more than one occasion that he's a twat and less than knowledgeable blowhard. Yet you're still captivated by him in this odd psuedo-Stockholm Syndrome-esque way. ???
As a gamer I can admit I fall into this category sometimes. I am 100 percent a whining, hard to please, entitled gamer sometimes as all gamers are I think. We all tend to demand things of Devs without taking consideration intangibles or their feelings, we critique anything and everything we don't like way too harshly almost in a cult like way, we are very over reactive as a community and very unaccepting of things that don't tailor fit our preferences. Which can be frustrating at times.
Soera did a good job explaining it above but what both you and Pat both are missing in this ONE ISOLATED INSTANCE regarding Diablo Mobile is that Blizzard was teasing and hyping something big for Diablo fans with a lot speculating it would be a new expansion or even a new sequel. Instead they trot out this mobile game not even developed by them and expected the masses to buy in like doting sheep. Fans were hoodwinked and were rightly upset that Blizzard was finally succumbing to the Kotick-Creep that everyone was dreading since the merger of Activision and Blizzard.
Pat the Pretentious Twat was completely wrong about the whole Diablo thing and if you agree with him that doesn't speak very highly of your character. As for the whole being entitled thing, you're throwing out the baby with the bath water. It's growing tiresome that all of these companies want to view their customers as nothing more than revenue streams because they caught on to a scheme with loot boxes/DLC and greed set its hooks in. Why is it so unreasonable anymore for companies to just make a (complete) good product and not nickel/dime their customers over every little thing?
I'm gonna level with you guys here. I really don't know Pat good enough and probably shouldn't have taken his side blindly in the topic but was just basing off the little I heard. Kinda like he does lol :). I only liked him because I seen him on AVGN and AVGN liked him and James is essentially god so I trusted his judgement lol. I know listened to many episodes of his podcast and find him to be a pandering narcissist.
I did want to add that I think his feud here with PewDiePie has a lot of history that I uncovered. Turns out when PewDiePie was going through his many controversies, controversies in plural lol, Pat the NES punk took the liberty to slander him on his podcast adding hot sauce to the wound. So I guess that reveals why PewDiePie took the same route in undertaker suplexing him during his big controversy. I guess people always find it easy to poke the big YouTubers when they are down, not realizing it could easily be reversed and they could kill your channel. I only wanted to add because I didn't want people to think PewDiePie was a big bully just killing Pat for the sake of killing him. Although I don't want to pate PewDiePie as some hero either :)
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Gamers are absolutely entitled, and get way too upset over things that are either unimportant, or not designed to make their specific subset of gamer happy.
However, I don't think the Diablo Immortal blowblack is unwarranted due to how it was presented. If this was announced at an E3, a PAX, a general nerdery event, the vitriol would be far too strong.
All this.
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Gamers are absolutely entitled, and get way too upset over things that are either unimportant, or not designed to make their specific subset of gamer happy.
I agree, yet I am also part of the problem sometimes.
I also “just jump into topics I don’t know much about to give half assed opinions and have a somewhat fake superficial personality” when my show goes live.
I’m not fake about my oppionions on games or my treatment of people or anything like that. But there is a persona I have to maintain when folks in the chat take things in a bad direction or when I give a charged opinion about something.
I errr way more on the side of caution than someone like pew or alpha omega.
I’m gonna tell you how I feel about something, but I don’t want or intend to offend and I wear that defense/fear on my sleeve more than I feel I should because everyone is so hypersensitive now.
It’s a challenging balancing act.
I’ve avoided certain guests and topics because I wasn’t sure I could handle the stress of a possible backlash.
I think Pat is just a guy that loves games and is trying to share and use that love of games to provided a life for himself.
Pew has established internet fame and honestly doesn’t seem to care what or who’s world he burns to the ground as long as his sponsorships and ad revenues come in. But I think he started out like Pat and probably sees himself in the same vein. Just a guy that loves games and is trying to share and use that love of games to provided a life for himself.
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I've never liked Pat or Ian. They're just shit-stirrers that lock on to any controversial topic in gaming that they can. And their stories about working in a gaming store just come off as jaded, unprofessional a-holes that hate their customers.
So I could care less what they have to say about gamers.
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As far as the YouTube end of things goes... I see Pat as someone who loves games & likes to talk about them, but doesn't always know the best way to not come off as 'preachy' and ends up projecting an air of dickitude from time to time. (And as a retail veteran myself, I've always seen Ian's stories as venting rather than jaded indifference, becuase good lord do people pull some shit.) Pewds is a performer who's got his career tied around his teen-edge persona, and is utterly terrible at judging the backlash from trying to appeal to that audience. I don't believe he's meant to start any of the controversies he has- just that he didn't think about the effects of his actions beyond 'will the teenage boys who make up most of my audience like this?'
All in all, I slap a big ol' 'meh' on the whole thing. I don't think there's enough cross over in the PewDiePie/Pat audience that they'll choose sides & cost someone (Pat) a career... more that they'll be a bunch of annoying teenagers being really shitty to Pat for a while, and hopefully they won't go too far before they move on to their next target for their shittiness. Becuase being a shithead is apparently cool for some reason? And if the rest of us are lucky, they'll grow out of that someday.
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I have no horse in this race because I'm not a Diablo person. But, I completely understand the backlash and think it's warranted. Gamers are entitled, and in this case, being entitled is a good thing.
As for Pat, I've seen him at Retropalooza sauntering about. I never spoke with him, nor have I any desire to.
PDP is just a whackjob.
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I’m going to start off saying, I like Pat. I wouldn’t say I “know” him, but we’ve talked enough times that we recognize each other’s face. I think he’s a decent guy. He’s even been on OPB.
Pat is an opinionated guy. It’s what made his podcast so big. He’s also very polarizing. He’s easy to hate.
Y’all also have to keep in mind, what you see on the internet isn’t the real world.
I think gamers are entitled. We scream and holler if something doesn’t go our way. Instead of voting with our wallet, like we should, we take to the internet and bitch.
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If something negative happens people all want go on the band wagon and say negative things about said guy It's pretty easy to do while with good stuff it is usually not mentioned It's how human beings are. If something negative happens rarely or even if it's just only once someone is the bad guy immidiately.
Still though while the booing in the diablo converence had to be done it still is a bit immature as far as the audience goes, Pat defintely had some balls to throw his opinion out in such a way with the internet being the kinda beast that it is but it still is kinda true if were fair it's pretty funny to watch if I'm honest he's not wrong.
as far as the wallet thing goes, I'm pretty sure the converence was not needed for the mobile game, It might turn out to be huge succes by casual people who see a decent mobile game on their phone in wich case it gets pretty popular but not by the hardcore audience.
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A bit late but I feel as though I still have a bit to add, so here it goes...
I watched Pat's video shortly after it was released (pretty sure I saw it before PDP released his video) and the only reason I know it got negative feedback, other than this thread, was Reviewtech making a video about it. Shame, I thought Rich was a Pat watcher too, after that, but I guess not. Anyways, my initial reaction to the podcast is that Pat and Ian were both very wrong, especially Ian.
For one thing, Blizzcon is itself a product, people are paying money to be there (and aside from the ticket price are also sacrificing vacation days, travel expenses, etc.) and using the capstone of the week to announce something that these people actively dislike... what did they think would happen? Perhaps not the open mockery but audience boos should have been a given. The April Fools comment, in particular is a reference to Blizzard's yearly April Fools posts, which are a real life thing and, 8 short years ago, actually included trashy looking fake mobile games. It was a Blizzard reference from a Blizzard fan. A super fan, someone who dropped a load of money to come to a week long celebration of Blizzard and their good but very over-rated games. A potential whale. Ian wanting this guy thrown out of the show is stupid, from a business perspective. And of course the presenters (who have little responsibility for the game being greenlit, etc.) had a tough job to do and will hopefully be forgiven for any on-stage snippiness with their fan interaction, but they are ultimately on the clock, they are being paid for this, probably more money than a lot of the Blizzcon attendees make.
A big error from Pat was that he said gamers would get their real Diablo game, regardless of how this turns out. Probably true, but ask the people still waiting for Warcraft 4 whether it actually is. Because its pretty obvious that WoW's success killed the RTS aspect of that franchise. The simple fact is that if this Diablo game is a huge hit, it will have an impact on the main series, probably a negative one. People in this thread have mentioned Pat being unaware of current game trends, I would say that this is a pretty big example of that.
Gamers, like all people who buy products, are not entitled to anything other than what they buy actually doing what it says it will do on the box. Sometimes they don't even get that but in this case I suspect that they will. And yet, they do not have to buy the products on offer either. In this case I hope that they don't. Jim Sterling, in his most recent video, flipped the question on its head. Are these companies not acting entitled too? They give us less choice and variety each year while systemically designing their products to ask for more money, even after they've been paid for. They try to switch to a model where the consumer no longer actually owns what they buy, just a digital license to a digital product that might not work in two years. Why does Blizzard think that it is entitled to sales of a game that already exists, just with Diablo art pasted over it? Why do they think they are entitled to money for "purple coins" or whatever their secondary currency for this game is going to be? Does it cost them more money to produce? I doubt it. They are certainly within their rights to do any of that stuff, but if they do I hope their fans look elsewhere for entertainment.
And, finally, to take it back home to the topic of Pat... I do not like Ian. He whines a lot and I feel that his histrionics take away from the podcast. I dislike hearing him bring his personal politics into retro gaming topics where they are totally irrelevant too, though those moments typically do not make it onto the Youtube clips. As a retro store owner he has a lot to add to the discussions, but his personality sucks and I suspect that his store is one of the ones that has really good inventory because they over-price stuff (you all know the type of place I am talking about.) Most of this discussion was his fault, Pat was just along for the ride.
edit: And there Ian goes again, in the latest video, saying that Microsoft still has some sort of ownership stake in DKC. They do not. They have never. It has always been available for Nintendo to use assets from, and Nintendo has always used assets from it. Ridiculous.
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Yea I tend to lose a lot of respect for anyone who brings up the whole "gamers are entitled" thing because its, in essence, a way to try to shield video games as a medium from criticism. Sure, there are a times where people complain way too much, but so often its a line of though that has no more substance than a smug "So what?"
The company announced a crappy mobile reskin of an unrelated game in place of an actual legitimate product. People absolutely have a right to call that out.
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In the immortal words of Phil Anselmo "Fuck em all". Pat and Pew are both garbage.
^ 100% this.
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Them: calling people “babies.”
Me: uh, you’re a grown adult in a room full of stuffed animals. Maybe you shouldn’t throw stones?
I’m not ashamed to collect and play video games. I am ashamed of simultaneously how toxic and childish how the people who cover the industry continue to behave. Criticism at a fan event is not analogous with behaving like a baby or acting entitled. It’s how one conducts that criticism that could engender such comments.
There was nothing I saw from BlizzCon that was entitled or childish. The “out of season April fool’s joke” comment could be seen as snarky, but given how people who worship the company’s PC products and strongly dislike mobile, paid money to attend the event, giving a little negative criticism in the face of Blizzard’s tone deaf presentation was more than deserved.
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I met Pat at his book signing, seems like a cool dude. I've seen Ian a few times when I went to Luna, he didn't seem obnoxious when he rang me up.
I don't see anything wrong with Pat (or anyone for that matter) voicing their opinion on anything.
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I met Pat at his book signing, seems like a cool dude. I've seen Ian a few times when I went to Luna, he didn't seem obnoxious when he rang me up.
I don't see anything wrong with Pat (or anyone for that matter) voicing their opinion on anything.
There is nothing wrong with Pat voicing his opinion, just as there is nothing wrong with us voicing our displeasure with how he (or more accurately, Ian) handled it (i.e. poorly, like a child, petulant, etc).
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Pat has never been my cup of tea, he's quite patronizing most of the time, if not always. I can see where he and Ian where coming from, but I firmly believe that they could have handled it respectfully and with better etiquette instead of, essentially, antagonizing a group of gamers who were simply expressing their disappointment in a civilized manner. The only thing that I saw that was “uncalled for”, and what apparently bothered them the most, was the late April fools joke comment, and that clearly came from a place of frustration.
Not that anyone is, but if you ask me, the way Pat usually goes about things truly give meaning to his online moniker.
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No, people don't hate Pat. They only hate him because PewDiePie said so. You have to remember people are not capable of thinking for themselves anymore, they have to have someone tell them how to think and how to feel, especially PewDiePie's fanbase.
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A lot of gamers are about as entitled as millennials and if something doesnt go the way they want it the blow a gasket and start the typical i dont like this. it should be exactly as i think it should be without any changes sort of tirade.
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No, people don't hate Pat. They only hate him because PewDiePie said so. You have to remember people are not capable of thinking for themselves anymore, they have to have someone tell them how to think and how to feel, especially PewDiePie's fanbase.
If you have no intent on actually arguing with people but will simply decide their opinions have no substance, you are not exactly the warrior of free thought you think you are.
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A lot of gamers are about as entitled as millennials and if something doesnt go the way they want it the blow a gasket and start the typical i dont like this. it should be exactly as i think it should be without any changes sort of tirade.
Jesus Christ... please be better than the media's attempt to generalize an entire generation in order to get aging boomers to click on useless, vapid articles. Every older generation thinks the younger generation is lazy, useless, and entitled, and that's how its always been.
The truth is Millennials are the most educated, hardest working generation in history, yet we live in a world where virtually everything is dramatically more expensive than when our parents and grandparents were our age. I'd love to been able to get a good paying job with benefits right out of high school, have the option of buying a brand new car for $2500 and a house in a good neighborhood for around 50k, and also pay less than 50-cents for a gallon for gas or 25-cents for a gallon of milk. And then there's that whole social security thing I've been paying into since I was 14 (been working and continuously employed since then) that will likely be sucked dry well before I'm ever able to start claiming it.
I could go on and on, but these stupid hit pieces on millennials are absolute trash and are somehow acceptable even though equally generalizing women or a racial group would essentially get these same "journalists" fired in an instant. Use your brain and do some research before saying stupid shit like this, k.
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Biking:
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A lot of gamers are about as entitled as millennials and if something doesnt go the way they want it the blow a gasket and start the typical i dont like this. it should be exactly as i think it should be without any changes sort of tirade.
You do know that you're a millennial too, right?
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Wow, this topic is still gaining traction? (Says me while posting...)
I personally happen to know a few Millennials that are beyond insufferable, but I reckon not all of them are bad apples.
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A lot of gamers are about as entitled as millennials and if something doesnt go the way they want it the blow a gasket and start the typical i dont like this. it should be exactly as i think it should be without any changes sort of tirade.
You do know that you're a millennial too, right?
unfortunately
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Wow, this topic is still gaining traction? (Says me while posting...)
I personally happen to know a few Millennials that are beyond insufferable, but I reckon not all of them are bad apples.
There are bad apples in every batch. Many of my dad's friends while growing up were some of the worst people I've ever known, all boomers. I have a Gen X cousin with 5 kids he doesn't support at all, and pretty much just drifts around to whomever he can take advantage of. The whole "this generation is so much better than that generation" is total nonsense and always comes back to old people shaking their canes at those damn young people and their radical ways. I'm certain that in a few years once more Gen Z people come of age, we'll see all sorts of garbage written about them that is completely generalized and untrue.