Vegeta is the biggest bad-ass in Dragon Ball Z, my favorite character.
As for Marvel Universe vs. DBZ universe...well at first glance you obviously want to say DBZ due to their extreme power-levels.
But then you think about it, and once you get to the upper cosmic-level characters in the Marvel Universe, such as The Celestials, The Beyonder, The Living Tribunal, and The Phoenix Force; and Goku and Vegeta are kind of screwed.
Marvel Universe wins that battle thanks to their cosmic entities.
Vegeta is pretty much my favorite DBZ character—I also like Trunks and Piccolo, and think Tien Shinhan is criminally underrated/underutilized. Goku is fine, but I liked him more when he was a kid. I also happen to like Android 18 when it comes to the female characters. When it comes to the villains, Frieza has always been on top, and Super made me like him even more.
As far as the argument that Goku can single-handedly defeat the entire Marvel universe goes; no. First of all, these are fictional characters, so the fact people take this seriously in the first place is laughable; they seem to have blinders on whenever this discussion is brought up, similar with the "Superman vs. Goku" debate. There's a lot of history when it comes to the Marvel universe as a whole, so it baffles me whenever I see DBZ fans dismissing that entirely. Sure, there's no arguing that Goku can defeat a good number of Marvel characters: Daredevil, Punisher, Captain America and most Avengers, Deadpool, as well as most X-Men including Wolverine, heck, even [non-cosmic-powered] Spider-Man. But when it comes to Omega-level mutants, mystical and cosmic entities, non-MCU Hulk, not to mention the abstract forces within the universe, then things get dicey. Pit Goku against Sentry and that would be it.
And finally, I was never a fan of DC Comics, so I can't say much about it...
And finally, I was never a fan of DC Comics, so I can't say much about it...
DC actually has a good number of heavy hitters that could easily best Goku. Granted, just like Marvel, DC also has its share of cosmic entities/deities, but I think the amount of power many of its roster of heroes and villains have is more than enough. Not only does DC have Superman, and the rest of the Super family, taking a few of them out of the equation, but there's also Shazam, Lobo, Dr. Fate, Martian Manhunter, Doctor Manhattan, as well as The Flash and the rest of the Speedsters, not to mention beings like Eclipso, Amazo, Mr. Mxyzptlk, Darkseid, and The Spectre. There's also the Green Lantern Corp, and the rest of the Emotional Spectrum with their symbiotic entities, which alone are strong, and combined even more. Then there's Doomsday, who's essentially Brolly on steroids to whom Goku would eventually succumb to.
The thing is, if Goku were to ever end up on either of these universes, there's no doubt he would become friends with most of their heroes, especially with someone like Shazam. He would help them defeat beings like Doomsday itself on DC and perhaps the likes of Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet or Onslaught were it to resurface over at Marvel.
are there any marvel entities that did that like the grand zeno in dbz i find it hard to imagine anything killing that.
are there any marvel entities that did that like the grand zeno in dbz i find it hard to imagine anything killing that.
By that comment alone I can see your knowledge in regards to both Marvel and DC is limited. And please, don't take offense with that; it's a mere observation and I mean no disrespect or ill will with it. However, I'm not going to give a crash course for each universe, but the short answer is yes; both Marvel and DC have entities similar to Grand Zeno. In the grand scheme of things, though, what fictional universe doesn't? Grand Zeno could be interpreted as a facsimile of many characters that are like it that came before it. I could sit here and list a number of characters from Marvel and DC that could match and outmatch Zeno, but you can look that yourself if interested. You have to keep in mind that while Zeno is very powerful, he's not omnipotent, meaning he's neither omniscient not omnipresent, which a good number of beings in both Marvel and DC happen to be.
By the way, you say "weak sauce" a lot...
I know but batman and spiderman are pretty weak though and those are the 2 most popular ones. and a ton of super heroes have simular power lvl's as those 2 beings not that much stronger than actual humans.
also like I said the crazy stuff in terms of dc and marvel only happens in the comics not the box office movies. the movies alone don't have anything that could kill the dbz universe maybe with some exceptions but the majority is city to earth lvl kinda power lvl's
also if you've read my comment I only commented about why people think the dbz cast wins easily not that dbz universe is actually the winner.
Ialso if you've read my comment I only commented about why people think the dbz cast wins easily not that dbz universe is actually the winner.
I know. Funny thing is Dragon Ball Super introduced Arale, essentially a joke character that bested Goku. By that logic alone, and I know I said earlier he could be easily defeated, but Marvel has Deadpool, who is similar to Arale, and not only that, but there's also Squirrel Girl, who could be described as Arale's analogue.