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General and Gaming => Modern Video Games => Topic started by: oldgamerz on December 02, 2018, 12:15:54 am
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I said this already on a reply to another thread. but I wanted to discuss this further with the modern gaming community. without changing the main question that was asked in there.
Do you think this is may be a possibility?
(IF) the next generation the 9th generation could charge us a weekly monthly or daily fee in order to continue to play the games and console we already purchased.
or if the console was only rented out, never sold to anyone both games and console. and required a bill through a service. like cable or internet and phone. and never sold to the public legally.
do you think that the game companies will sick to a new low? or have some already done charged people for basic game functions? or perhaps patches?
I am not talking about Downloadable Content or charging just for extras.
What do you think would be the worst thing that could happen for modern gamers besides not having any video games? :'(
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Streaming only consoles. A.k.a. giving endlessly greedy games industry bigwigs total control of what you can play and when while simultaneously obliterating video game preservation.
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That the gaming industry makes mobile gaming their main thing :P
Candy crush was succesfull very succesfull rivaling many of the bigger game franchises ever in terms of profit and the investment to create trash games such as this is minimal while the profits are absolutely massive.
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Sounds very anti-consumer, it would mean the industry would have a set control on pricing and we wouldn't be able to find deals out in the wild anymore.
I personally cannot stand subscriptions, the only one I have is PS+ so i can play online - Admittedly the Free monthly games have been worth it... But I have an Xbox 360 too mainly because I was able to snag it cheap and gather a nice collection through the time I invested in researcing prices for games. If I had to pay a fee based on a time I simply wouldn't have branched out to that system at all.
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Do you think this is may be a possibility?
(IF) the next generation the 9th generation could charge us a weekly monthly or daily fee in order to continue to play the games and console we already purchased.
This already happened. It’s called PS+ and Xbox Live.
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Video game going 100% digital: I wouldn't necessarily stop playing video games if this happened, but it would mean I would never buy a game upon release. The most I have ever spent on a digital game was $20 and even that was met with some regret. Essentially I wouldn't be playing new games for years after they came out, possibly into the next console generation when they'd be marked down below $10. When this happens, yes I believe it inevitably will, I will be almost exclusively a retro gamer. I believe we have one more console generation past our current gen that will embrace physical media primarily, but all bets are off after that.
Mobile gaming gains a greater presence within gaming: I don't care what anyone says, mobile gaming is a watered down, very casual form of gaming that is made soully to appeal to non-gamers. It's already a pretty popular platform and has been, but fortunately it hasn't effected console and PC gaming, mostly. I feel like many of the design decisions in Pokemon Let's Go were heavily influenced by the success of Pokemon GO, which means I have no interest in it. Likewise, Command and Conquer, one of the most iconic PC franchises has been reduced to a crappy mobile game. I really hope this trend does not continue and mobile gaming stays its own thing within infecting console gaming. I'm fairly sure, however, that this is only wishful thinking.
The DLC/micro transaction business model becomes an industry standard: This one is already sort of happening; nearly every new video game has some DLC and micro transactions are becoming more and more common as well. I suppose the silver lining to all this is that most games are not effected by the DLC if you choose not to buy it. As soon as more games start implementing pay to win schemes or progression is greatly stifled by not buying a DLC pack or the in game micro transactions then I'm out.
My outlook on the video game industry is not a positive one. Maybe it's because I'm getting older and more set in my ways, or maybe it's because I value ownership of my games (hence why I collect), but I can see all these scenarios happening within the next decade. I'm almost counting on me spending the second half of my life being only into retro games.
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Games designed around politics and agenda and goodbye to the last free frontier.
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Two words: Live Services.
Becuase publishers figured out they don't actually have to make fun, self-contained games when they can convince us to effectively buy our own slot machines that take real money to run but only spit out digital trinkets. There's a reason I've gone more & more niche as time goes on, indies tend to be a lot more honest.
I could definitely see someone attempting a streaming/digital only machine, or a paid service to make the machine run at all... but I doubt it would be received well at all. Games consoles are still seen in somewhat the same vein as a Blu-ray or Cd player, and having to pay a monthly subscription to run your bluray player would be ludicrous. Plus, the people who provide internet are too cheap to build a national infrastructure, meaning there's plenty of rural & semi-rural places without the high speed internet to run a streaming/digital only box. (Case in point- there's still 5 Blockbuster Video stores open in Alaska.)
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In all respect to the modern gaming community, I have nothing bad to say about the modern games themselves. The reason why I rave about it so much is because I don't want to pay for a console new or used. That could be useless in the coming years. and I don't want to only be able to but 12-20 games on my console. and need to erase data to fit more just to re-download. Off a server that may soon not have the games at all in the coming years. I own a 3 last generation consoles and it is bad enough to me they may cut patching servers to those games any day now.
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I mean what you said basically.
Thank god for 6th generation and previous
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The OnLive Game System was a failed streaming-only system that became unusuable when OnLive was discontinued, proof that streaming-only is not viable.
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I mean what you said basically.
Thank god for 6th generation and previous
I feel like most 7th gen games are still playable with just whats on disk, especially if you purchase the later verson/greatest hits copies with have all the patching on disk. Gen 8 is going to be rough though since it seems like half the games are patches/day 1 updates.
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EA Battlefront I may be the first time originaltrilogy.com, full of dedicated Star wars preservationists is unable to preserve part of Star Wars history. The Holiday Special, no problem. Michael Parbot's Making of Empire Strikes Back documentary, took some time but eventually was preserved. The 1990s Arcade games that once were unplayably glitchy when emulated? They found fixes for those emulation bugs. But this might be impossible to preserve given that the game is tied to EA's servers, which will go offline whenever EA feels like it.
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EA Battlefront I may be the first time originaltrilogy.com, full of dedicated Star wars preservationists is unable to preserve part of Star Wars history. The Holiday Special, no problem. Michael Parbot's Making of Empire Strikes Back documentary, took some time but eventually was preserved. The 1990s Arcade games that once were unplayably glitchy when emulated? They found fixes for those emulation bugs. But this might be impossible to preserve given that the game is tied to EA's servers, which will go offline whenever EA feels like it.
I am aware that the sims 3 games for PC, it says in the lease agreement that almost none reads. that EA has the rights to take away The Sims 3 game (even on the game disc installs) and in fact can at any given time, deny it's fans access through a type of spyware that tracks the usage and shares of when you play that game or any of it's expansions called "usage sharing" in the options panel.
On the original base game it was a optional feature to disable "usage sharing" but if you installed some of the later expansions disabling without it coming back on automatically. it is not an easy one click operation. I turned it off before but I am sick to the point that I don't even want to play that game knowing that I could lose all my game progress later on, and possible denied the rights to play the game (even with the disc)
On the latest the sims 2 DVD combos EA temporarily disabled the sims 2 for many people who complained about it on the internet, through a program called the "Game Launcher"
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EA Battlefront I may be the first time originaltrilogy.com, full of dedicated Star wars preservationists is unable to preserve part of Star Wars history. The Holiday Special, no problem. Michael Parbot's Making of Empire Strikes Back documentary, took some time but eventually was preserved. The 1990s Arcade games that once were unplayably glitchy when emulated? They found fixes for those emulation bugs. But this might be impossible to preserve given that the game is tied to EA's servers, which will go offline whenever EA feels like it.
I am aware that the sims 3 games for PC, it says in the lease agreement that almost none reads. that EA has the rights to take away The Sims 3 game (even on the game disc installs) and in fact can at any given time, deny it's fans access through a type of spyware that tracks the usage and shares of when you play that game or any of it's expansions called "usage sharing" in the options panel.
On the original base game it was a optional feature to disable "usage sharing" but if you installed some of the later expansions disabling without it coming back on automatically. it is not an easy one click operation. I turned it off before but I am sick to the point that I don't even want to play that game knowing that I could lose all my game progress later on, and possible denied the rights to play the game (even with the disc)
On the latest the sims 2 DVD combos EA temporarily disabled the sims 2 for many people who complained about it on the internet, through a program called the "Game Launcher"
Yep. The EULA states as much. However unless your willingly breaking the EULA by doing something illegal to begin with. You really don't have much to worry about. People who just bought the game and used it normally haven't got much to fear.
There was a problem with the Sims 2 Game Launcher. It wasn't anything like you're making out. It was incompetence on EA's part and not maliciousness. When you fire up the Game Launcher program it connects via the internet to the website. However at this time EA had moved it to the same site that The Sims 4 was using. It was too much strain for the program to bear and it would force close.
EA didn't disable it for people that complained online.
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EA Battlefront I may be the first time originaltrilogy.com, full of dedicated Star wars preservationists is unable to preserve part of Star Wars history. The Holiday Special, no problem. Michael Parbot's Making of Empire Strikes Back documentary, took some time but eventually was preserved. The 1990s Arcade games that once were unplayably glitchy when emulated? They found fixes for those emulation bugs. But this might be impossible to preserve given that the game is tied to EA's servers, which will go offline whenever EA feels like it.
That is the reason I don't care for games that have a persistent internet connection or are online multiplayer only. It's the very definition of disposable entertainment.
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I mean what you said basically.
Thank god for 6th generation and previous
I feel like most 7th gen games are still playable with just whats on disk, especially if you purchase the later verson/greatest hits copies with have all the patching on disk. Gen 8 is going to be rough though since it seems like half the games are patches/day 1 updates.
True that, I can always play Ninja Gaiden Sigma or Smash Bros. Brawl or Halo Reach, but new stuff is a pain.
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If this was a test to see how many replies you would get before someone noticed the trick in the topic title, it is now completed.
Topic title fixed.
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If this was a test to see how many replies you would get before someone noticed the trick in the topic title, it is now completed.
Topic title fixed.
huh?
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If this was a test to see how many replies you would get before someone noticed the trick in the topic title, it is now completed.
Topic title fixed.
I don't know what you mean, but I did change IMO to IYO to involve the community before getting any replies. because writing In Your or My Opinion don't fit as a topic title. Is this a repeat I am now going to search.
I don't hack or do tricks, but some people have tried to hack me and then try to get me in trouble for something I didn't do before
might or may changed to could? anyway thank you @tripredacus
if I do anything you think is wrong please let me know. sorry for the rant yesterday :-[
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To gamers? I'm seeing less and less pushback against anti-consumer monetisation bullshit over time and I think before long we're just going to give up and let them do whatever we want, because there doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it. Who remembers when the worst thing we tried to contend with was on-disc DLC and season passes? Seems so petty now that we're dealing with things like disuguised lootboxes and microtransactions in retail games, and who really even cares anymore? We got lucky with lootboxes because they just happened to break laws, but developers are finding workarounds where they can do it and get away with it, knowing that by DEFINITION they're selling gambling schemes to minors, and who's really kicking up a stink about it anymore? Some people are, but where are the big pushback campaigns? No-one cares anymore. Gamers are becoming apathetic to it and just accepting it now and it's not hard not to feel powerless. So I think the worst thing that I can say IS going to happen is we're just going to accept defeat and let the big names do whatever they want to our vidya. I've jumped right onto the "there needs to be a new crash" train but now that gaming is such a huge mainstream market I don't think it's possible anymore. The average joe doesn't think or care about it and the powers that be know that. And now the younger generations are growing up in a gaming market where the current state of gaming is all they've ever known, so they've no reason to push back against it because in their minds this is how things are supposed to be. They've never experienced just chucking a disc in a console and immediately powering it up and just playing a damn game and knowing you have a complete experience in front of you. Shit's pretty fucked up.
I've given up on the AAA market at this point because it's just pathetic to look at nowadays, anyone who wants to join me in the niche party is very welcome to. We have Persona. Though Arc System Works can be pretty dicky with its monetisation practices so the inevitable next Arena game might brew up some more fury. There's no winning, man.
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If you think about, since the advent of mobile gaming, gamers now have been conditioned for stuff like DLC/micro-transactions because it's always been a component of their games. The teens who are gaming now were toddlers/little kids that had phones/tablets shoved in their faces to placate them and over time, more and more of those games started adding in DLC/micro-transactions. I think part of the lack of push back is because they're accustomed to it and didn't experience it like those of us who've been around longer. They probably equate our disdain for it as being like those people who do the whole "Back in my day...."
There was a post on Reddit a while back where this guy bought the Fortnite Switch bundle just for the skin that came with it. He traded the system in and took like a $200 hit or something but was okay with it because y'know...Fortnite people be crazy. At any rate, that's only one instance we're aware of; think about the people who binge on DLC/micro-transactions that you DON'T hear about. You can be sure that EA/Activision and the like know about them though, they've got the empirical data that shows people are buying that stuff up. They also know time is on their side and as the years go on, there will be less and less push back because by then gamers will be of the "that's just how it's always been" mentality. :-\
Anyway, once Microsoft or whoever decides to ditch the optical drive on their system and go full digital is when I stop buying. I'm already concerned about games I'm buying now not working in 10 years because of a persistent need for online and/or the servers associated with them are shut down. I already have a few PS4 games that are nothing more than pretty drink coasters at this point (De-Formers and LawBreakers) because they're online-only and their servers are kaput. I can still play Project Spark on XB1 but not like it was originally intended so it's essentially a coaster as well. :P
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EA Battlefront I may be the first time originaltrilogy.com, full of dedicated Star wars preservationists is unable to preserve part of Star Wars history. The Holiday Special, no problem. Michael Parbot's Making of Empire Strikes Back documentary, took some time but eventually was preserved. The 1990s Arcade games that once were unplayably glitchy when emulated? They found fixes for those emulation bugs. But this might be impossible to preserve given that the game is tied to EA's servers, which will go offline whenever EA feels like it.
I am aware that the sims 3 games for PC, it says in the lease agreement that almost none reads. that EA has the rights to take away The Sims 3 game (even on the game disc installs) and in fact can at any given time, deny it's fans access through a type of spyware that tracks the usage and shares of when you play that game or any of it's expansions called "usage sharing" in the options panel.
On the original base game it was a optional feature to disable "usage sharing" but if you installed some of the later expansions disabling without it coming back on automatically. it is not an easy one click operation. I turned it off before but I am sick to the point that I don't even want to play that game knowing that I could lose all my game progress later on, and possible denied the rights to play the game (even with the disc)
On the latest the sims 2 DVD combos EA temporarily disabled the sims 2 for many people who complained about it on the internet, through a program called the "Game Launcher"
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Yep. The EULA states as much. However unless your willingly breaking the EULA by doing something illegal to begin with. You really don't have much to worry about. People who just bought the game and used it normally haven't got much to fear.
There was a problem with the Sims 2 Game Launcher. It wasn't anything like you're making out. It was incompetence on EA's part and not maliciousness. When you fire up the Game Launcher program it connects via the internet to the website. However at this time EA had moved it to the same site that The Sims 4 was using. It was too much strain for the program to bear and it would force close.
EA didn't disable it for people that complained online.
yes thanks for correcting that, I worded it wrong, sorry. you're correct about the sims 2 launcher
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;) It's cool oldgamerz look at it this way yours are, so far some of the few topics I have seen lately that have actually provoked some in depth discussion. That's always a plus.
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If this was a test to see how many replies you would get before someone noticed the trick in the topic title, it is now completed.
Topic title fixed.
I don't know what you mean, but I did change IMO to IYO to involve the community before getting any replies.
You can see the original topic title on the post titles on page 1 of this thread.
I can't think of how you (as the author) would have typed that word in wrong, unless you were using an auto-complete and didn't actually type the word.
For a reader, i would understand, as most would perceive it as a kerning error.
You are not in any trouble. If you were, I would have used the angry face emoticon. ;)
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I've given up on the AAA market at this point because it's just pathetic to look at nowadays, anyone who wants to join me in the niche party is very welcome to.
Already here, man- shall we order the goose (https://goose.game/), or stick with something salty? (https://www.nicalis.com/games/bladestrangers)
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Once the gaming industry goes full on streaming like Netflix with a subscription plan I'll be done with modern gaming. Probably the reason why I have collected a decent sized retro collection so when that day comes I will have plenty of games to play until I die.
It's happening slowly already, digital is taking over. Streaming services will get better over time and everything will be cloud based like Netflix or Spotify. Ownership of games is being thrown out to be replaced with a rental service. Once you stop paying for your subscription your access is no more...
I've always enjoyed the idea of owning my games and having a library, called me old fashion but I'm just wired that way. "shrug"
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If what the OP posted occurred, I would exit modern gaming. There is no way I'm paying a monthly or weekly fee for each game I would be interested in. There's already more games currently existing than I have time to play anyway.
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The industry seems to be transitioning to digital and DLC/micro-transactions keep being shoved down everyone’s throat, so I think the worst is already happening.
Granted, things might change, but I can’t help but be pessimistic about it all with every passing day.
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I definitely hate how people how a lot of people have totally accepted, if not embraced the idea that "games as service", digital only and the like as an absolute inevitable of the future. Like, do people realize that if the companies gain 100% control over your products, the artistic integrity of the medium is absolutely dead? So many people don't bother pushing back against the "digital future" idea because they don't stop and think about the myriad of problems it entails.
...That being said, defeatism doesn't help. There are still plenty of very genuine, good games being made and companies like EA are being roundly rejected for their behavior and losing quite a big load of money for it. Physicaly games are selling just as well as digital games and are just as common as their counterparts in some places. Preemptively deciding the medium is dead is only going to get it there faster
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I said this a year ago, and still stand by it: I would like a second crash; I wouldn't mind it at all.
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making buying games digital only would be the worst thing in my opinion.