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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« on: February 25, 2024, 07:06:34 am »
I heavily second this. A clear majority of (but not all!) [FR][NL] games in the database should be [BE][FR][LU][NL] to truly represent their original market. And that only covers the market for french+dutch games… IMHO striving for country completion in the title for the european market is a wild goose chase, and doomed to be misleading *at best*. In this case most if not all european games with french & dutch on the box were released in Belgium, in addition of France, Netherlands, or both.

Listing languages on the box when a game has several language variations in a given region would be much less disputable.

Attaching TLD information to entry names based on language text leads to more problems than based on country of origin.

- Consider items without any packaging text.

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- Consider items with only one regional release, regardless of the amount of languages present.

Same as today; only one entry in a region => no need to explicitely state the sale countries. Could be the same with languages.

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- Consider the English language. What sort of tag are you implying be given to it? Be aware that [EN] is not a TLD.

EN must be the language code for english in some ANSI standard as well as some ISO standard. I would be astonished if not the case.
And again, it would only appear when necessary.

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- Consider items which a language is present that doesn't directly relate to its country of origin. For instance, are you suggesting Canadian entries be tagged as [FR]? Brazilian items be tagged as [PT]? There are plenty of items originating from Asia with only English as the language text, even.

I hardly see the problem here: an NA entry with french on the box obviously was not published in France, but most definitely (at least) in Canada.
Same goes for a game with portuguese that targeted the south american market.

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- Consider items which are regional variants only based on a label, or the few which are unique based on an included component like a different instruction booklet. Hundreds of these sorts of items already exist within the database, and their packaging languages are the exact same as others.

If we’re talking of stuff like the portuguese IGAC stamp, maybe an “(with IGAC stamp)” mention would be crystal clear?

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- Consider regional variant items which rely on descriptors solely instead of TLDs, such as 245945. TLDs should only be attached when multiple entries within the same exact name in the same category exist, so a TLD isn't used in this situation. With your proposal, there would be.

Nope. My proposal is to replace the rule of “use country codes, when necessary“, with a rule of “use language codes, when necessary”.
IMHO that would change absolutely nothing for the entry you linked here.

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The thing is, we all agree there’s a problem: splitting markets into regions is not enough, as some games got several versions in a same region, with the only changes being a) the region’s countries there were sold in and b) the languages printed on the box.

*I* think the current solution is unsatisfactory because fundamentally flawed by the lack of clear information about countries a game is / were sold in, especially for old games (and perhaps more especially within the EU “single” market).
On the other hand, the thing with languages printed maybe 30 years ago on a box is that everybody that owns this box has a direct, undisputable access to the information about what languages are printed on said box. Using that instead of the country is easy, verifiable, correctable and reproducible. 4 qualities the country code lacks, if you ask me.

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« on: February 17, 2024, 09:51:42 am »
I heavily second this. A clear majority of (but not all!) [FR][NL] games in the database should be [BE][FR][LU][NL] to truly represent their original market. And that only covers the market for french+dutch games… IMHO striving for country completion in the title for the european market is a wild goose chase, and doomed to be misleading *at best*. In this case most if not all european games with french & dutch on the box were released in Belgium, in addition of France, Netherlands, or both.

Listing languages on the box when a game has several language variations in a given region would be much less disputable.

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Developer/Publisher Requests
« on: December 14, 2023, 03:57:14 pm »
Developper:
Nerial https://www.nerial.co.uk/


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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Duplicate List 2023
« on: October 09, 2023, 01:33:41 pm »
Not sure if dupes or what but these two entries seem fishy:
https://vgcollect.com/item/98489
https://vgcollect.com/item/220666

The arts seem strictly the same, and although the quality cannot appreciate the barcode, the first entry’s one seems to match the spanish version of the game, and not a french, dutch, or belgian one.


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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Developer/Publisher Requests
« on: September 16, 2023, 03:10:36 am »
Developer:
Happy Volcano https://www.happyvolcano.com/games


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For both ELSPA and USK they changed (respectively once and twice) the “stamp” (for lack of a better word?), not the meaning of it, as far as I know.

First I thought the rule of thumb was if the meaning remains unchanged, items must use the newer version, since, say, a „USK ab 18” from 2023 expectedly conveys the exact same meaning as a „USK Nicht geeignet unter 18 Jahren” from 1994, therefore a 1994 game with the latter USK rating should get a “USK - 18” rating as available in the DB.

For what I understand now, this is not the case and theoretically only games displaying the same stamp as the one that is in the DB for the rating entry should receive the according rating (presumably only german games from 2009 for USK).

Yet, there is still the exception kept for USK 6, 12, 16 from 2003 to 2009, which imho seems kinda half-baked between the two choices and is doomed to confuse any editor (honestly it got me quite confused why I got some changes of USK ratings from this period accepted for some entries and rejected for others).

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The reason why these USK 0 rating submissions are being rejected is because the items' rating is something different. Rating field information should be for the exact rating, not an equivalent. This is also why your submissions for USK 18 were also rejected. Since there is no selectable option for the true rating, the Rating field should be left blank.

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https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,8623.msg145223.html#msg145223

Ok, would be helpful not having these listed as USK 0 & USK 18 respectively in the rating list topic then.

I understand there’s an exception for 2003 versions of USK 6 to 16; what about 1994 versions?

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Getting a lot of edits rejected for PAL GameCube games that were rated with the 2003-2009 version of the USK 0 logo, as described here.

e.g. this game:
https://vgcollect.com/item/24635

eBay listings display the same rating (https://www.ebay.de/itm/183961240784 for instance), so I’m not sure what’s wrong?

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Not sure if the right topic for that but I’m pretty sure this game was never released on GameCube in Europe:
https://vgcollect.com/item/59358

The use of NA pictures might tend to confirm it.


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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Developer/Publisher Requests
« on: August 03, 2023, 06:57:45 am »
Request for developer: Jamsworks

https://www.jamsworks.com

+ request for publisher removal: Sega Acclaim
Pretty sure this one was created for the PS2/NGC/Xbox port of Crazy Taxi (and maybe other games), that were published by Acclaim while the IP remained Sega’s. Ultimately the sole publisher here is Acclaim, I don’t think such a structure as “Sega Acclaim” ever existed (though I might be wrong)
AFAIK there is the only entry with it: https://vgcollect.com/item/38361

Thanks


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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Duplicate List 2023
« on: July 23, 2023, 03:49:36 am »
Many older entries feature incorrect stock art, so that is something to consider before submitting new entries. Because 87750 already detailed EAN information, I updated the field with the correct art to match that specific item. The previous image featured a yellow USK rating only which does not exist, as you mentioned.

Duly noted. I guess that means that when front art image & EAN are inconsistent, then the EAN prevails?
Is there any sort of hierarchical list of entry fields somewhere to know what prevails on what? (say, in the absence of EAN, what prevails next? Is EAN the utmost truth about an item when no pic comes with said EAN? If not, what is then? The item number? Something else?)

Besides, do you want me to update the first entry fields before dealing with the dupe?

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Duplicate List 2023
« on: July 22, 2023, 11:05:29 am »
Added the second entry because the front art was different from the first, but both share the same barcodes indeed, and I see dhaabi updated the first one’s box art accordingly.
https://vgcollect.com/item/87750
https://vgcollect.com/item/250980

As for naming the entry, the game was only released in Europe, seemingly somehow partly paid for by Mercedes Benz, and as far as I know there is only two versions of the game, this german/french one and a UK one (see here for instance: https://www.ebay.com/itm/304898421533)

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Modern Video Games / Re: P.T. and jailbroken PS5
« on: October 23, 2022, 07:29:19 am »
I bet that it all stems from their decision to not only not develop it into a full game, but also to remove the playable teaser from the store; this active censorship, combined with the aura the teaser got, led scalpers asking stupid prices for PS4s with P.T. installed on different marketplaces. Providing it back on hacked PS4s & PS5s is a way to fight this obviously, but perhaps also some sort of a protest against Konami stand on P.T. availability in the first place.

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Duplicate List 2022
« on: September 08, 2022, 10:11:35 am »
As it relates to GameFAQs entry, fair enough.

(Though they’re wrong about classifying the product as a compilation, so who knows about the name? :P )

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Duplicate List 2022
« on: September 07, 2022, 12:11:59 pm »
It is done. I had to correct the title and alt before the merge.
May I ask why you kept the title with the “complete box” mention? For the only version of the game I would assume the title alone is enough.
That is the case at least for The Pandora Directive, to consider your aforementioned example.

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