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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2023

« on: January 20, 2024, 06:31:36 pm »

So it is best to say that if the Steelbook has the console's logo on it, that it should go into the Accessory category and if not then into the Steelbook category. It would be easier to do it that way rather than have to figure out how each and every one was sold.

This would then also include SteelBooks which come shrink-wrapped with platform-specific information but are otherwise non-discernible when opened, such as many Switch items like Pokémon Sword, seen here.

Ok - got it.

Other than the steelbooks, re back image for Star Ocean PSP console https://vgcollect.com/item/215764. I think I submitted the correct pic originally (unless I selected the wrong one by accident) because both front and back looks almost identical. Regardless, have resubmitted. Noting that the current back image is not the back but the side of the box.

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2023

« on: January 19, 2024, 10:44:16 pm »

Need clarification between steelbooks (to be put in the 'steelbooks' category) vs platform-specifc steelbooks (to be put in the platform-specific 'accessory' category).

To be honest, didn't see we have a 'steelbook' category until recently - which may have been there for a long time...however, then at the same time, it's causing some confusion.

Even having the steelbooks with me, I can't really differentiate between the two categories / nor know which category the item/s should go into which by answering the questions from the approver/s, and was obviously thinking something not entirely the same when 'platform-specific' was mentioned (i.e. beyond just whether there's a PS / Switch logo on the case)   

Re:Crystar steelbook: https://vgcollect.com/item/260201
Is this specific SteelBook platform specific? Is there any way to tell? Unlike the Switch releases which have the Nintendo Switch logo on them, is there any PlayStation logo, like with the Gran Turismo item I linked before? https://vgcollect.com/item/140114

For the above:
- It was only available with the PS4 game as a preorder bonus in Asian countries. An official item.
- In addition to the publisher name etc on the case, only SteelBook [steelbook.com] etc printed inside the case, no PS4 logo. [I double-checked]

With the above info, it should stay in the 'steelbooks' category even though it was only ever available with the PS4 game? 
Did notice that's what has been done with the Shenmue III steelbook https://vgcollect.com/item/170030

With that being said, some of the other PS4 steelbooks that came with the launch/deluxe editions/pre-order bonuses don't have PlayStation logo etc printed on it either (like the traits above). So, if those are to be listed as individual items, does it mean they will end up being in the 'steelbooks' category vs being considered as platform-specific 'accessory' category?
Don't know about the Switch ones yet, will have to look through some to be able to tell whether all have the logo or not. If there are ones that don't have the logo, once again, does it mean they will end up being in the 'steelbooks' category vs the platform-specific 'accessory' category? 

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General / Re: VGCollect Secret Santa Feedback

« on: January 19, 2024, 05:18:20 am »

Personally speaking, if I had to take shipping costs into consideration, my giftee would've received only a postcard. Haha

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General / Re: VGCollect Secret Santa Feedback

« on: January 18, 2024, 11:58:18 pm »

Shipping can be pricey, and I like to give people as much stuff as I can from their lists, so I don't want that biting into the budget.

Agree with this. While noting that shipping should be taken into consideration once you have gone over the spending limit for the items, and that can vary depending on where people are shipping to that year.

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General / Re: VGCollect Secret Santa Feedback

« on: January 12, 2024, 09:10:05 pm »

If people go below 60$ with a noticable margin, yes that's an issue. but I do find it strange that we have a topic for the opposite. Isn't it pretty fun to have a shot at getting stuff over 60$ instead of everyone getting close or a bit over 60$. if people want to give more, more power to em I'd say.

Nobody is expecting to get much more than 60$, and nobody should expect to get more if they give more since the budget is 60$. I don't think most have an issue with this and are aware of the finer details.

Agree what what has been mentioned and a lot of the mentioned issues can be prevented and "self-managed" by the participants (which has been pretty good in the past years I think).
However, there are those hiccup moments every now and then. But...it's hard to be perfect though~~

It's technically how ignition365 has stated it in his post (i.e. why the minimum/maximum etc) - although I also don't think it has really been an issue other than the occasional hiccup moments where people had different expectations/understandings etc.

Yeah, the excessively part can make it easy to misinterpret.  Some folks might genuinely feel stick to it, and some might feel it's no pressure to stick to it, but don't send a thousand dollars worth of stuff.

I'm not your mom do what you want, but sending out a thousand dollars worth of stuff, no matter how generous the thought might be, might make the receiver feel guilty for only doing or staying near the limit and it can make the other gifters feel similarly.  I don't think this has really been a problem before on the high end, but it's worth noting that might be the interpretation of excessively.

I will say I have seen in previous years folks not sticking to it as a minimum though.

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General / Re: VGCollect Secret Santa Feedback

« on: January 11, 2024, 12:53:41 pm »

Spending an additional 33%-66%, no matter what the agreed upon budget has been set as, does not sound reasonable to me, and I think many others would agree. At that amount, it is far past the point to when the budget should have just been raised higher.

That's not what the poll result is showing though or I may be looking at the result differently?

The agreed budget will matter in my view when it comes to what is considered as "reasonable" for that additional % - if it goes by % (regardless of how it looks visually).

i.e.
If the budget is set at $60, even if it is at 33% additional, it's only like $20 extra = $80.
However, if the budget is set at $100, then at 33% additional, it would go up to $33 extra = $133.
And imagine if the budget is set at $200, then at 33% additional, it would go all the way up to $66 extra = $266.
In such cases, would it not influence people to reconsider what is considered as 'reasonable' for that additional %?
I mean, people will most likely accept 33% additional at a $60 budget vs accepting 33% additional at a $100/$200 budget etc.

In general, I see two parts to this question.

• whether we agree that the budget is a minimum (and a guide)
• whether we should allow people to exceed 'excessively' if they choose to i.e. not just exceeding but exceeding 'excessively' - whatever the word 'excessively' means for people

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General / Re: VGCollect Secret Santa Feedback

« on: January 11, 2024, 10:10:21 am »

10% is only 6$ though. you gotto try hard on average to spot that difference I feel even with 20% tbh which is 10ish$. I assume this is not the issue cause ye gotto try hard to spot a difference in this case. it's within the 60$ ball park in that scenario.

Yeah - %s probably not the best reference (visually on its own makes it 'look excessive' but not in reality by $ ) to be used for that 'range/excessive'.

i.e. If the budget is $60 and someone spends say $80-100 - the majority will probably see that as being a 'reasonable range' (once again views can differ).
However, if someone spends say $560 instead - then that's probably something different.

Regardless, hence why I mentioned originally that people can interpret/read the question and/or choices differently.

Where for example, I agree with the question statement on its own but then at the same am not sure what we are referring to when we say exceeding "excessively" when I was selecting the choices.
My interpretation of exceeding excessively was going way over the value to sort of degree where it just doesn't seem to be sensible - which ends up putting me in the "I agree and I do not agree" basket where at the end of the day I have to select one of the choices which neither really fully fits . This could also lead to one of the reasons for the discrepancies in this question.

Maybe I was just overthinking .

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2023

« on: January 10, 2024, 11:58:52 pm »

For a physical game includes list, you typically do not need to put the game name on each line, this is true. But consider it for the more common things like the media and manual. These things you are listing are extra contents. Perhaps the name is not needed and maybe if Art Collection was Art Collection book, it would have been fine. But I recall that particular name to be the primary reason for the reject.

Ok - got it~

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2023

« on: January 09, 2024, 02:53:32 pm »

Once again, think most of these refer back to the original point at the start, where I believe this is where the approvers could align better and have some consistency.

I will briefly mention that this is why I've directed you to post to the public forum in the dedicated topic for rejected edits instead of there being a private conversation between member and one staff. Posting publicly benefits everyone through transparency and as a place for common understanding as to why certain actions were done or not done to be established.

Yes - although the original post here is mainly about the DLC flyers being rejected which has now been expanded.
The other items were just formatting Q&As, which mainly took place before the rejected edits (except the common name one I guess) .

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2023

« on: January 09, 2024, 02:22:15 pm »

As such the "need to explain the other includes besides game and flyer" is also from me. I believe it was for this as you say:
https://vgcollect.com/item/256155

includes:
• End of Eternity 4K/HD Edition
• Art Collection <--- what is this?
• Original Soundtrack CD <--- what is this?
• Battle Track Collection CD <--- what is this?
• DLC flyer for original PS4 theme and character avatar set

Since there is no place to show pictures of these items, or links to them from the entry, we need to be clear as to these other items in the description. From the above:
- if Art Collection is a book, then the text should be Art Collection book or End of Eternity Art Collection book.
- use of text "Original Soundtrack CD" makes me think this text is lifted from somewhere or it is a partial title. Is it supposed to be End of Eternity Original Soundtrack CD?
- This battle Track CD, is it an audio CD also? Is the game name missing?

I believe this is where the approvers could align better and have some consistency. I have asked & discussed these descriptions by using one example (as the base) with dhaabi before the edits of the other listings. What was mentioned was that "if a component like a book has the game name also on it, I tend to shorten it while just using the actual book name, so Visual Book would be fine. I suppose lengthened would be okay too if it really seems like a part of the item name. If that same book were to have its own entry, though, definitely use the full name like in these examples" - which also makes sense to me and is reasonable to keep both options available.

And yes, if we go back to the above example, Art Collection / Original Soundtrack CD etc are all the actual exact names of the items without the game name. Being an entry about the game itself, repeating the game name on every single item seems to be overkilling it in my view (unless the component title is referring to a totally different thing [i.e. another game] then yes - that should be specific) as it also keeps the description field look simple & tidy to read. I also followed the same type of logic that has been mentioned in another thread keeping redundant/unnecessary terms out of it (i.e. "Switch Game" mentioned in the description list for it being a Switch category = terms redundant). However, as mentioned above, it makes complete sense to have the full name of a component if it is being entered as an individual entry in the database.

Remember that it may be easy for you to know what the things are that you list if you own the item or have it in hand. For everyone else, we need to be able to look at the info provided and be able to discern what exactly they are without having to do any additional research. Especially if we don't have the item either.

And yes, I am aware of that (even more so after a few edit rejects) and this is something that I have also discussed with dhaabi before whether the actual item names are preferred vs a general name for the items. In the end, I concluded and noticed that sometimes it is best not to use the 'exact names' of the components because it's not easy to tell what the item is exactly, and in cases where I see that I just used a general standard name for the item (i.e. artbook). The Art Collection could have been a little more descriptive I guess...to mention it being a 'book' since it could also be like 'art cards' etc. However,  the soundtrack CDs I would think it's self-explanatory as it is...

Also want to mention that not all approvers are rejecting the edits where people didn't put the media types such as "CD" for soundtracks at the end in those description names.
So, I believe people would sometimes get it 'accepted' and/or 'rejected' - where some may wonder why it got accepted and/or rejected without posting here and just left it where it was instead of re-entering the whole field for re-submission. One of the rejected edits I received was not having the word "CD" after 'soundtrack' in the updated description.

There were also other cases where I updated the game title to the English common name (which is what I saw in one of the old game listings being updated by one of the approvers) - where the initial game title edits also got rejected until I re-submitted them after clarification to confirm that it should be updated.

Once again, think most of these refer back to the original point at the start, where I believe this is where the approvers could align better and have some consistency.

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General / Re: VGCollect Secret Santa Feedback

« on: January 09, 2024, 05:26:52 am »

Just want to mention that people might have also interpreted/read the question and/or choices differently.

Would be good if there was a Choice 3, which is a hybrid of Choices 1 & 2.

For example:
I agree that the community-voted budget is both a minimum and a guide. I also understand that some including myself may choose to exceed that budget, but I should not expect for all participants to do so.

It's people's 'choice' if they want to exceed that budget. However, am not sure about the word "excessively" in the 2 choices.

Traditionally, and with good reason, the budget for any Secret Santa event is encouraged to be adhered to, as it ensures every participant is both receiving and giving items of near equal value which prevents participants from feeling like their gift to give was worth more than the gift they received

The above was my understanding, it's a minimum and a guide. People can exceed that budget if they choose to but not to the extent where we need to use the word "excessively" exceeding = no hard feelings from anyone.

In my view, there is a difference between exceeding the budget 'within a reasonable range' vs exceeding the budget 'excessively'. Hope it makes sense

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2023

« on: January 09, 2024, 04:27:39 am »

So if a game has a DLC flyer, "DLC flyer" is good enough, or "DLC flyer with unlock code" or "DLC flyer item number x" are other examples. If there are multiple different flyers for DLC, then the text would only be able to be part of the name if the item has no item number. Such as "horse armor DLC flyer" and "sword DLC flyer"

All good with the above options mentioned for the DLC flyers and straightforward as well (with some good "options" that can be used to differentiate the different flyers).

However, the rejected comments I received were referring to specific DLC name/s and with cases where there was only one flyer involved (2 examples below where both had the 'dlc flyer' submitted as one of the edits in the description field and both got rejected due to the 'dlc flyer' not being acceptable (where both have now been updated with more description):

https://vgcollect.com/item/256155
https://vgcollect.com/item/146097

The rejected comments for the two above were categorized under Incorrect Formatting and the more detailed comments relate to DLC name/s.

As for rejects, in your notification log, the text you attempted to use should be shown under "New value"
https://vgcollect.com/notifications

Is this not true or is it instead not showing all of it? Not concerned about it not showing the formatting such as returns, extra lines, etc.

It only shows part of the edited texts submitted (i.e. texts allowed for one line and then it cuts off the rest) - screenshot of the example mentioned above under "New value":



Other than the DLC name comment, the follow-on comment "need to explain the other includes besides game and flyer" was also a bit unclear since the edited description had the actual game name, artbook name, soundtracks listed, and 'DLC flyer' in it - where the 'DLC flyer' was the only more 'generic' item in that description.

So, in such scenarios, unless the approvers send a PM to the editor with the texts submitted, the editor will need to re-enter the whole text again for them to re-submit (which would discourage re-submissions if the edited fields are 'lengthy').

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2023

« on: January 05, 2024, 08:49:04 pm »

Posting this message here as suggested by dhaabi - as there are also other approvers for edits.

A few of the updated descriptions that I submitted for TW releases containing DLC flyers have been rejected as it was suggested in the rejected comments to list them out individually & be specific with the names vs just "DLC flyers". 

The names for DLC flyers are a bit difficult because those flyers are usually in Chinese without any English on them so if I put the names I will need to translate them myself and hard to find them on PSＮ store online as well (some may not even be available anymore) / hard to check past PSN transaction history for the actual DLC names since it doesn't show all the items in pack other than the title which sometimes doesn't mean anything either and sometimes can't even tell which game it is for (due to the limited functions on PSN online page). In most cases, you won't be able to find it by googling either unless you search by the Chinese name of it. Also don't want to exclude the 'DLC flyers' from the list either since those are contained in the actual package.

Right now (for the most recent edits - considering the rejected comments) I have just put a short description to differentiate the flyers. I would rather do that (though more generic) than provide a wrong translation of the DLC names. If I have the exact names of each DLC on hand I will include it in another paragraph like how it was suggested via another thread "DLC flyer has a code printed that unlocks" etc.

Also, if a rejected edit is lengthy, it would be great if the approvers could send a PM of the rejected edit text to the editors, so people don't have to re-enter the whole thing again (with minor adjustments) just to re-submit. That saves time for the editors from re-typing it all and encourages people to re-submit with the adjusted info.

The DLC one above is one of the examples where the whole description text was updated to the correct format but got rejected because of "DLC flyers" where the whole description will stay in the original incorrect format unless I re-enter and re-submit the whole description field again. For some, people will then just leave it 'as is' rather than re-entering & re-submitting.

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Possible to view all games for a console?

« on: January 02, 2024, 09:38:29 pm »

A function that I had hoped at the back of my mind when I first started using the site

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Images for e-STORE Exclusives (Ltd Editions)???

« on: January 02, 2024, 09:33:31 pm »

Dragon Quest Monsters 3: Mazoku no Oiji to Elf no Tabi (SE-E3403)

- cool with that.

I suppose people can choose whether they want an entry for a shipping box that contains all those parts or if they want separate entries for all the parts but not being any entry for the edition at all.

- can we have both? 

packaged in cardboard box
"e-STORE" and barcode labels affixed to box

includes:
• Dragon Quest Monsters 3: Mazoku no Oiji to Elf no Tabi - Masters-ban
• "cushion blanket"
• Dragon Quest Monsters 3: Monster Synthesis Book
• DLC flyer
• purple sticker

DLC flyer has codes printed that unlock
• DLC name 1
• DLC name 2

Square Enix e-STORE exclusive
Sold online as "Super Masters Edition"

The above is certainly useful as a format reference for these types of entries.

regarding the language options should not be present here

- where can we enter such info instead? sometimes it's mentioned at the back of the game case but not always.