Author Topic: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?  (Read 1078 times)

Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2021, 09:56:14 am »
That is not happening with the PS4 for christ sakes

Most electronics have a cmos battery. The Dreamcast does for instance and it's why the damn thing asks me the time every time I turn it on. Sont just made the "mistake" of tying it to a certification thing with trophies. But you are talking 10-20 years from now maybe yours will die. Which then you would replace it and log back online and no problem.

But since this being reported during the supposed sky is falling news of the store closing, this is being conflated with Sony supposedly not giving a shit about its legacy. But again, the store is going down not the software support or download access.

so it's a big assumption to think that 10-20 years from now that the process that does the recertification will be down. I mean Sony is the company that updated the PS3 just 4 months ago so it could play modern blu rays. PSP patches and software upgrades are still up.  When gamers were losing their shit over the PS3 patches not being available, it was fixed a few days later. There's really nothing that supports that the PS4 will be a brick because of this issue. And nothing that says they also won't patch it. It's just gamer nihlism.

I don't think you quite understand what the problem is.

The CMOS battery, whether brand new or old, requires a handshake with the PSN in order to function and keep time on the system. When Sony eventually shuts down the PSN on the PS4 like they're doing right now on PS3, the CMOS battery will only be able to keep the system operational for 2-5 years. When that battery dies, the console WILL be bricked, no questions asked. Putting in a new battery will not fix the problem. There have been several people that have tested this out already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xngOEfCUhl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt5juSuq69g
https://youtu.be/inlbg2I7Qnc?t=420

This is the case for not only for the PS4, but also the PS3 and PS5. All digital games will cease to function on the PS3 and PS5 whether you've downloaded them to your system or not. Yes, that issue is many years in the future for PS5, but given how it's going to affect the PS3 right now, I think it's reasonable to ask Sony to release a firmware update and fix what is clearly a fatal flaw with all three systems.

And let's not pretend like Sony isn't going to shut down the PS4 and PS5 servers someday. They're doing it right now with PS3, and they'll do it to PS4 and PS5 the second it becomes unprofitable to keep them online. Servers don't last forever. Yes, they re-uploaded some of the patches they took off for the PS3, but they only put back HALF of them.

So there are three possible solutions:
  • Sony fixes the problem themselves. In theory it should be a simple firmware update, so I don't think it's an issue of them being unable to address the problem; I just don't think they will. I'm not holding my breath
  • Hack the console with custom firmware. This is what I think will be the most likely outcome. That's why personally I'm not as worried as some others, I think people will figure out a way to bypass the required certification with PSN, though it probably won't come for a while until after the PS4 is stopped being updated by Sony
  • Buy a PS5 and play your games on it instead. As of right now, it seems like some PS4 games will play on the disc-based PS5 even with the CMOS battery issue. Personally, I'm pretty leery of giving Sony any more of my money if this is the eventual route we have to take to play PS4 games
Um no I pretty aware of what’s going on. I don’t think you quite understand what I said. I said that it will have to recheck with the server if you were to replace it.

But your assuming the server will be offline years from now because you incorrectly think they are turning off servers for PS3. Again they aren’t. They are closing down the store. Not turning off servers that handle software support and downloads. Even with the store going down you can still download purchases or patches and there’s no sign of that changing.

So considering that PSP can still connect to servers to download patches, the PS3 still can and has been patched well up until 4 months ago, PS3 support hasn’t been turned off, and PS4 software is supported on the PS5. Why would you assume whatever server that probably has a small internet footprint that handles the one time needed certification  for the cmos is going to go down anytime in the next decade and beyond?

sworddude

Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2021, 10:05:35 am »
That is not happening with the PS4 for christ sakes

Most electronics have a cmos battery. The Dreamcast does for instance and it's why the damn thing asks me the time every time I turn it on. Sont just made the "mistake" of tying it to a certification thing with trophies. But you are talking 10-20 years from now maybe yours will die. Which then you would replace it and log back online and no problem.

But since this being reported during the supposed sky is falling news of the store closing, this is being conflated with Sony supposedly not giving a shit about its legacy. But again, the store is going down not the software support or download access.

so it's a big assumption to think that 10-20 years from now that the process that does the recertification will be down. I mean Sony is the company that updated the PS3 just 4 months ago so it could play modern blu rays. PSP patches and software upgrades are still up.  When gamers were losing their shit over the PS3 patches not being available, it was fixed a few days later. There's really nothing that supports that the PS4 will be a brick because of this issue. And nothing that says they also won't patch it. It's just gamer nihlism.

I don't think you quite understand what the problem is.

The CMOS battery, whether brand new or old, requires a handshake with the PSN in order to function and keep time on the system. When Sony eventually shuts down the PSN on the PS4 like they're doing right now on PS3, the CMOS battery will only be able to keep the system operational for 2-5 years. When that battery dies, the console WILL be bricked, no questions asked. Putting in a new battery will not fix the problem. There have been several people that have tested this out already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xngOEfCUhl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt5juSuq69g
https://youtu.be/inlbg2I7Qnc?t=420

This is the case for not only for the PS4, but also the PS3 and PS5. All digital games will cease to function on the PS3 and PS5 whether you've downloaded them to your system or not. Yes, that issue is many years in the future for PS5, but given how it's going to affect the PS3 right now, I think it's reasonable to ask Sony to release a firmware update and fix what is clearly a fatal flaw with all three systems.

And let's not pretend like Sony isn't going to shut down the PS4 and PS5 servers someday. They're doing it right now with PS3, and they'll do it to PS4 and PS5 the second it becomes unprofitable to keep them online. Servers don't last forever. Yes, they re-uploaded some of the patches they took off for the PS3, but they only put back HALF of them.

So there are three possible solutions:
  • Sony fixes the problem themselves. In theory it should be a simple firmware update, so I don't think it's an issue of them being unable to address the problem; I just don't think they will. I'm not holding my breath
  • Hack the console with custom firmware. This is what I think will be the most likely outcome. That's why personally I'm not as worried as some others, I think people will figure out a way to bypass the required certification with PSN, though it probably won't come for a while until after the PS4 is stopped being updated by Sony
  • Buy a PS5 and play your games on it instead. As of right now, it seems like some PS4 games will play on the disc-based PS5 even with the CMOS battery issue. Personally, I'm pretty leery of giving Sony any more of my money if this is the eventual route we have to take to play PS4 games
Um no I pretty aware of what’s going on. I don’t think you quite understand what I said. I said that it will have to recheck with the server if you were to replace it.

But your assuming the server will be offline years from now because you incorrectly think they are turning off servers for PS3. Again they aren’t. They are closing down the store. Not turning off servers that handle software support and downloads. Even with the store going down you can still download purchases or patches and there’s no sign of that changing.

So considering that PSP can still connect to servers to download patches, the PS3 still can and has been patched well up until 4 months ago, PS3 support hasn’t been turned off, and PS4 software is supported on the PS5. Why would you assume whatever server that probably has a small internet footprint that handles the one time needed certification  for the cmos is going to go down anytime in the next decade and beyond?

They won't keep it up forever. older generation of consoles no money to be made less and less people using it.
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Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2021, 10:08:47 am »
Um no I pretty aware of what’s going on. I don’t think you quite understand what I said. I said that it will have to recheck with the server if you were to replace it.

But your assuming the server will be offline years from now because you incorrectly think they are turning off servers for PS3. Again they aren’t. They are closing down the store. Not turning off servers that handle software support and downloads. Even with the store going down you can still download purchases or patches and there’s no sign of that changing.

So considering that PSP can still connect to servers to download patches, the PS3 still can and has been patched well up until 4 months ago, PS3 support hasn’t been turned off, and PS4 software is supported on the PS5. Why would you assume whatever server that probably has a small internet footprint that handles the one time needed certification  for the cmos is going to go down anytime in the next decade and beyond?

Why would Sony maintain a server for a console that has zero store functionality? And maintain that server for 20, 30, 40 years in the future? And how many consoles from the PS2 generation and back still have their online servers intact? Zero.

If it doesn't make money, they shut it down, it's that simple.
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Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2021, 11:09:10 am »
But he´s not suggesting that they stop making money and eventually shut down like everything does, hes saying that the companies will actively break the ability of your old consoles to even play games to try to get you to buy new consoles.
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Flashback2012

Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2021, 11:11:30 am »
Breaking my rule only because I tire of these constant paranoia threads you start.

With the retro games being bought up by the masses and the modern gaming industry pushing all digital, what do you think will become of VGCOllect? I think if things keep going like they are today they will be nothing left, unless some new console replaces the modern stuff. I would not mind digital only games if there was a way I could keep and play the ones I bought for as long as I want to. But that is not the case.

This has been answered rather succinctly by Cartagia already.

VGCollect is explicitly not a physical only database.  It is a database for individual titles and for people to track them - regardless of the platform or medium.  You've made it clear that you don't utilize the site like anyone else.  This site will be fine.

PC is where it is at now, I believe PC is the best value for your money in a digital only environment. Consoles are turning into crap, and I think a modern console is a waste of money. Just look at what SONY might do the the PlayStation 4, now we need to buy a PlayStation 5 to play all of our PlayStation 4 games. I think PS3 has hope, due to less restrictions, unless SONY releases an update to somehow disable the PlayStation 3 and stop it from working at all.

You REALLY need to get over boogeyman complex with Sony. It's as embarrassingly bad as when you spewed that hackers were trying to take over your 360 through a disc or some nonsense. Also,
there you go shilling for PC again. Are you on the hook with someone? HP? Dell? Do you not realize a lot of the same problems exist for PC and are probably even worse? How many servers for old PC games are forever offline? How many MMOs are kaput? How easy is it to put a Win95 game CD and play it on Win10? What about games on diskette? How long has it been since PCs had those?  :o

I keep my PS3 and my Xbox360 offline because of this thought and I think we should all turn off our WIFI on our 7th generation video game consoles.

Do what you want you paranoid scaredy-cat but go pound sand telling any of the rest of us what we should do. Also, Cartagia had the perfect response to this as well...

::)


It's your money, so do what you all want with it. If you don't care about getting ripped off that's fine. keep purchasing temporary access to your gaming, I think it's all bullshit,  apparently a lot of people don't care. I am mostly angry that so many finished video game projects are just being tossed behind. it's like why bother making a video game? if companies are only going to trash it when it becomes old.

Believe it or not a LOT of video games and video game software have been forgotten in time, because of companies only care about money, not whether or not their own production and project stands the test of time, and is passed to future generations.

Never have I seen such hyperbole. This whole nonsense scenario you're griping about is a newer trend. I can hook up my 32-bit and prior stuff to a TV and they work JUST FINE. It's only an issue where the consoles have internet connectivity that require server handshakes and what not. Also, you're continually conflated old games not working with old games not being available. Pick a damn lane already. Like I said above, this is a BIGGER problem on that precious PC platform you're constantly shilling. Of course it's about the damn money, as others have pointed out in this thread, where's the money in maintaining servers for older, unsupported systems? Does it suck, YES, but it's practically inevitable.


If SONY ever does not remotely disable my PS3 somehow. If they do I hope to God they just die of the freking COVID 19, I don't care about them now. I have a whole collection of PS1 games I use my PS3 for and when if I somehow can't play them on my PS3 anymore I'll be pissed because I too would have purchased a whole entire collection of useless shit. And SONY is not even releasing a lot of games I got on their store front. Anyone reading this don't buy the PS5 fuck that shit >:(

The PS5 is going to play PS4 and PS5 games so soon you will not be able to use your PS4 anymore excpect maybe Bluray movies

Nice unhinged response and totally cool wishing death on people.  8) You're annoying as all get-out but I'd never wish death upon on you regardless of how asinine your posts tend to get. If anything, you probably need some damn HELP to get your head right and stop drinking the Kool-Aid that Sony, hackers or whoever else is trying to ruin your life. Also, about PS1 games, if you're so eager to play them, they make these things called PlayStations you can play them on. They're quite plentiful and can be had at flea markets for the cost of a meal at a fast casual restaurant. Also, you might consider a PlayStation Classic or even PSN if you're so inclined.  :P

I’m just quoting this garbage fire for posterity, lest he deletes it.




You left out the part where he's going to pray to God that everyone inlvolved in this wild fantasy dies of Covid. I mean, I think there would certainly think that there are better things to pray for, if that's your thing.

Indeed. Good to see other people on here are getting tired of the histrionics and paranoia of his posts/threads. There were a couple more quotes I was going to add but I'm running out of gas/will to care about these delusions. Dude needs to get some damn help and to stop posting these threads chock full of irrational fears (or at least post them with better articulation and less fear-mongering propaganda).

Flashback2012

Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2021, 11:26:47 am »
But he´s not suggesting that they stop making money and eventually shut down like everything does, hes saying that the companies will actively break the ability of your old consoles to even play games to try to get you to buy new consoles.

But they're not, at least not as deviously as he claims. Newer consoles within the last 15-20 years have some sort of internet connectivity and at the time their implementation was meant for security reasons and what not. They're not actively breaking old consoles insomuch as they are not actively supporting them. It sucks but that's how things have progressed.

Again, he heaps praises on how PCs are the wave of the future but they have MORE issues with legacy software and require more workarounds. I have stacks of old CD-Roms that need DosBox at the very least to somewhat function and then there's those that needed certain hardware configurations which might never work on my current setup. He also praises MS for how older games work on their newer systems but glosses over how at one time the XB1 was going to be online all-the-time and trading games amongst friends was going to be an absolute chore. They lost so much ground right out of the gate because of that and practically handed Sony the reins to the last generation.  :P

I know you're new here but this is par for the course for him. If you're something of a masochist, go back and read his older posts (the ones he hasn't deleted after being called out) and you'll see they are A LOT of them filled to the brim with paranoia and hyperbole. At first they were kind of funny such as ghosts being in his systems, now they're more sad and pitiful.  :P

telly

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Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2021, 11:37:39 am »
But he´s not suggesting that they stop making money and eventually shut down like everything does, hes saying that the companies will actively break the ability of your old consoles to even play games to try to get you to buy new consoles.

Oh I didn't even try to respond to anything Oldgamerz posted haha  :P
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Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2021, 12:22:48 pm »
Breaking my rule only because I tire of these constant paranoia threads you start.
Its not worth it.

covfefe2020

Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2021, 01:52:02 pm »
Is something like the 3rd party online Wiimmfi service that keeps Wii and DS games online to this day possible on the 360 and ps3? I know that people will be looking into it once the xbox 360 multiplayer games shut down later this year.

Side note: does anyone here use xlink kai?
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Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2021, 07:53:09 pm »
If I die that would be a blessing to me @flashback, then I could have whatever I want, and never have to deal with you or anyone elses shit ever again


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Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2021, 08:38:52 pm »
The problem with being dead though is that... you're dead. I don't think we'll find any CIB mint game collections (or 72 virgins or whatever *insert religion* promises you) down there in the gaping black void to keep us occupied for eternity...

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Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2021, 08:45:26 pm »
It's becoming less of a casual hobby and more of a pricey one, and that will only continue to get worse as supply gets scarcer and scarcer. That is unless interest completely dies out and the market crashes, like baseball cards and comics did after the 90s boom. But I just don't see that with video games. Interest continues to grow thanks to YouTubers, livestreamers, and Facebook groups.

When I started really collecting, old video games were cheap as hell. That was part of the appeal in the late 90s to early 2000s. You could walk into any thrift shop or used music shop and walk out with a number of games, good games, for under $50. Those days are long gone. It's a completely different game in 2021.

Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2021, 08:52:18 pm »
When 3D printers become so good that they can make replications so authentic appearing that they are indistinguishable from the real thing, we'll all be in deep shit!

Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2021, 08:52:57 pm »
The problem with being dead though is that... you're dead. I don't think we'll find any CIB mint game collections (or 72 virgins or whatever *insert religion* promises you) down there in the gaping black void to keep us occupied for eternity...

Not unless I'm evil, we can't talk religion on this forum it's against the rules
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Life on earth is only temporary and If you believe in God and do good in life. You can continue to live with any possessions  you desire, in the afterlife, as long as you do good and don't do evil in real life.

Re: Video Game Collecting Dying Thoughts?
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2021, 08:55:27 pm »
The problem with being dead though is that... you're dead. I don't think we'll find any CIB mint game collections (or 72 virgins or whatever *insert religion* promises you) down there in the gaping black void to keep us occupied for eternity...

Not unless I'm evil, we can't talk religion on this forum it's against the rules

I'll just leave it at that, then. My bad.