Most overated game ever?

[turf]

Earthbound: People act like it is the end all, be all RPG on the SNES, but from someone who has played most of them on the system, it is definitely bottom of the barrel, maybe mediocre at best. People like to say how unique and quarky it is, which I guess is true, especially for the time, but the graphics look slightly better than an NES game, the music is mostly not that great (with a few exceptions), and the story is pretty boring. Chrono Trigger, FFIV and FFVI, Secret of Mana, Secret of Evermore, Breath of Fire I and II, and Lufia are just a few RPGs that are better. Meanwhile, Earthbound gets treated like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Whoa Whoa Whoa... Your tone. 
I'm playing.  This is everyone's opinion.  Yours is just wrong.   

[burningdoom]

Earthbound: People act like it is the end all, be all RPG on the SNES, but from someone who has played most of them on the system, it is definitely bottom of the barrel, maybe mediocre at best. People like to say how unique and quarky it is, which I guess is true, especially for the time, but the graphics look slightly better than an NES game, the music is mostly not that great (with a few exceptions), and the story is pretty boring. Chrono Trigger, FFIV and FFVI, Secret of Mana, Secret of Evermore, Breath of Fire I and II, and Lufia are just a few RPGs that are better. Meanwhile, Earthbound gets treated like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Honorable mentions: Metal Gear Solid, Super Smash Bros Melee, Call of Duty (all of them)

QFT

[sworddude]

Super Smash Bros Melee, Call of duty (all of them)

How can you call smash melee an overated game while it is an excellent game that everyone praises.

It is the best in the series thanks to gameplay mechanics especially in the competetive scene.

It's the fastest smash game with the most things to master. It is really technical and it has way more variety than the standard 2d fighting games. You will actually need allot of skill to be really good at this game aside from allot of different things wich can happen during battle.

That cannot be said towards other 2d fighting games with the same combo's wich are used all the time.

It is also a game that is really addicting, one can spend litterally hours on this game even if one does not want to.

I will say this though that there are few games that can make you stay hooked so long as melee. Furthermore a nearly perfect game it cannot be called overrated.

The new Street fighter games are overated wich are garbage in my opinion.

Also if I'm honest you cannot call cal of duty and halo series overrated games.

Why not if you might task?

I personally don't like the games but they are the best in their series, they make people play them for litterally hours days weeks months's while doing nothing else. Furthermore there are allot of people who do this.

If a game does this to a large amount of people One cannot simple say that a game is overrated since there are plenty who want to play this game and find it great especially with game such as halo etc since those communities are pretty much the largest of them all and all hooked on them as addicts.

Seriously compared to those communities we are nothing, It's just your opinion that you don't like the game that much while plenty of others do. in my opinion if that's the case a game is not overated even though I'm not a fan of those series I have to admit that they are the best in their series it's fact. You cannot call those games overated if they are the best in that genre.

[mrfoxhound]

Super Smash Bros Melee, Call of duty (all of them)

How can you call smash melee an overated game while it is an excellent game that everyone praises.

It is the best in the series thanks to gameplay mechanics especially in the competetive scene.

lolno

[kashell]

Super Smash Bros Melee, Call of duty (all of them)

How can you call smash melee an overated game while it is an excellent game that everyone praises.

It is the best in the series thanks to gameplay mechanics especially in the competetive scene.

lolno

Indeed.

EDIT: IMO IMO IMO IMO! Just in case someone gets a bee in their bonnet.

[bikingjahuty]

Super Smash Bros Melee, Call of duty (all of them)

How can you call smash melee an overated game while it is an excellent game that everyone praises.

It is the best in the series thanks to gameplay mechanics especially in the competetive scene.

It's the fastest smash game with the most things to master. It is really technical and it has way more variety than the standard 2d fighting games. You will actually need allot of skill to be really good at this game aside from allot of different things wich can happen during battle.

That cannot be said towards other 2d fighting games with the same combo's wich are used all the time.

It is also a game that is really addicting, one can spend litterally hours on this game even if one does not want to.

I will say this though that there are few games that can make you stay hooked so long as melee. Furthermore a nearly perfect game it cannot be called overrated.

The new Street fighter games are overated wich are garbage in my opinion.

Also if I'm honest you cannot call cal of duty and halo series overrated games.

Why not if you might task?

I personally don't like the games but they are the best in their series, they make people play them for litterally hours days weeks months's while doing nothing else. Furthermore there are allot of people who do this.

If a game does this to a large amount of people One cannot simple say that a game is overrated since there are plenty who want to play this game and find it great especially with game such as halo etc since those communities are pretty much the largest of them all and all hooked on them as addicts.

Seriously compared to those communities we are nothing, It's just your opinion that you don't like the game that much while plenty of others do. in my opinion if that's the case a game is not overated even though I'm not a fan of those series I have to admit that they are the best in their series it's fact. You cannot call those games overated if they are the best in that genre.

Melee is a fun game, in fact I'd definitely say it's top 5 Gamecube game hands down. The reason it is overrated is because of people treating like it's the perfect game. It isn't.

It's relevance in the competitive scene is based off a bunch of people finding control exploits that Sakurai himself condemned as being improper in regards to how the game was intended to be played. Essentially the competitive scene is made up of people who are trying to out-cheat the other person in order to claim victory. I don't call that a perfect game or a masterpiece, I call that a broken game. On top of that, the roster is heavily unbalanced, favoring heavily 4 or 5 characters that 80% of the competitive players use. Also, I find it hilarious that competitive players shun the use of items when last time I checked they are a key part of the gameplay. Seems to me that they should be included in so called competitive play, but maybe that's just me. Because of this, a lot of people act like this game is the best fighting game ever made when it doesn't even come close, at least as a game that is competitive by design.

As far as Melee's lasting appeal, it's entirely subjective. I for one enjoy playing it here and there, but have never felt like playing it for hours on end, at least not since around the time it first came out. I know many people who don't care for it at all. To say "everyone' praises it is a gross over-generalization.

Again, not shitting on this game, only pointing out why I claim it is overrated. Very fun game and is definitely one of the best game to sit down with people and play.

[davifus]

Super Smash Bros Melee, Call of duty (all of them)

How can you call smash melee an overated game while it is an excellent game that everyone praises.

It is the best in the series thanks to gameplay mechanics especially in the competetive scene.

It's the fastest smash game with the most things to master. It is really technical and it has way more variety than the standard 2d fighting games. You will actually need allot of skill to be really good at this game aside from allot of different things wich can happen during battle.

That cannot be said towards other 2d fighting games with the same combo's wich are used all the time.

It is also a game that is really addicting, one can spend litterally hours on this game even if one does not want to.

I will say this though that there are few games that can make you stay hooked so long as melee. Furthermore a nearly perfect game it cannot be called overrated.

The new Street fighter games are overated wich are garbage in my opinion.

Also if I'm honest you cannot call cal of duty and halo series overrated games.

Why not if you might task?

I personally don't like the games but they are the best in their series, they make people play them for litterally hours days weeks months's while doing nothing else. Furthermore there are allot of people who do this.

If a game does this to a large amount of people One cannot simple say that a game is overrated since there are plenty who want to play this game and find it great especially with game such as halo etc since those communities are pretty much the largest of them all and all hooked on them as addicts.

Seriously compared to those communities we are nothing, It's just your opinion that you don't like the game that much while plenty of others do. in my opinion if that's the case a game is not overated even though I'm not a fan of those series I have to admit that they are the best in their series it's fact. You cannot call those games overated if they are the best in that genre.

Melee is a fun game, in fact I'd definitely say it's top 5 Gamecube game hands down. The reason it is overrated is because of people treating like it's the perfect game. It isn't.

It's relevance in the competitive scene is based off a bunch of people finding control exploits that Sakurai himself condemned as being improper in regards to how the game was intended to be played. Essentially the competitive scene is made up of people who are trying to out-cheat the other person in order to claim victory. I don't call that a perfect game or a masterpiece, I call that a broken game. On top of that, the roster is heavily unbalanced, favoring heavily 4 or 5 characters that 80% of the competitive players use. Also, I find it hilarious that competitive players shun the use of items when last time I checked they are a key part of the gameplay. Seems to me that they should be included in so called competitive play, but maybe that's just me. Because of this, a lot of people act like this game is the best fighting game ever made when it doesn't even come close, at least as a game that is competitive by design.

As far as Melee's lasting appeal, it's entirely subjective. I for one enjoy playing it here and there, but have never felt like playing it for hours on end, at least not since around the time it first came out. I know many people who don't care for it at all. To say "everyone' praises it is a gross over-generalization.

Again, not shitting on this game, only pointing out why I claim it is overrated. Very fun game and is definitely one of the best game to sit down with people and play.

Competitive Players consider Melee to be 90% mental and 10% Tech Skill game, so it being "made up of people who are trying to out-cheat the other person in order to claim victory" would make sense, however just like you said it all subjective. Just because it doesn't fit the generic mold of a "2D Fighter" doesn't mean its broken.
Technically, it about 10 of them and there are plenty of low tier heroes in the competitive scene. The use of items did exist in early scene but overall was banned because it basically made it a game of luck.

Competitive melee is something you really enjoy or really dislike.

Take this with a grain of salt.

[bikingjahuty]

Super Smash Bros Melee, Call of duty (all of them)

How can you call smash melee an overated game while it is an excellent game that everyone praises.

It is the best in the series thanks to gameplay mechanics especially in the competetive scene.

It's the fastest smash game with the most things to master. It is really technical and it has way more variety than the standard 2d fighting games. You will actually need allot of skill to be really good at this game aside from allot of different things wich can happen during battle.

That cannot be said towards other 2d fighting games with the same combo's wich are used all the time.

It is also a game that is really addicting, one can spend litterally hours on this game even if one does not want to.

I will say this though that there are few games that can make you stay hooked so long as melee. Furthermore a nearly perfect game it cannot be called overrated.

The new Street fighter games are overated wich are garbage in my opinion.

Also if I'm honest you cannot call cal of duty and halo series overrated games.

Why not if you might task?

I personally don't like the games but they are the best in their series, they make people play them for litterally hours days weeks months's while doing nothing else. Furthermore there are allot of people who do this.

If a game does this to a large amount of people One cannot simple say that a game is overrated since there are plenty who want to play this game and find it great especially with game such as halo etc since those communities are pretty much the largest of them all and all hooked on them as addicts.

Seriously compared to those communities we are nothing, It's just your opinion that you don't like the game that much while plenty of others do. in my opinion if that's the case a game is not overated even though I'm not a fan of those series I have to admit that they are the best in their series it's fact. You cannot call those games overated if they are the best in that genre.

Melee is a fun game, in fact I'd definitely say it's top 5 Gamecube game hands down. The reason it is overrated is because of people treating like it's the perfect game. It isn't.

It's relevance in the competitive scene is based off a bunch of people finding control exploits that Sakurai himself condemned as being improper in regards to how the game was intended to be played. Essentially the competitive scene is made up of people who are trying to out-cheat the other person in order to claim victory. I don't call that a perfect game or a masterpiece, I call that a broken game. On top of that, the roster is heavily unbalanced, favoring heavily 4 or 5 characters that 80% of the competitive players use. Also, I find it hilarious that competitive players shun the use of items when last time I checked they are a key part of the gameplay. Seems to me that they should be included in so called competitive play, but maybe that's just me. Because of this, a lot of people act like this game is the best fighting game ever made when it doesn't even come close, at least as a game that is competitive by design.

As far as Melee's lasting appeal, it's entirely subjective. I for one enjoy playing it here and there, but have never felt like playing it for hours on end, at least not since around the time it first came out. I know many people who don't care for it at all. To say "everyone' praises it is a gross over-generalization.

Again, not shitting on this game, only pointing out why I claim it is overrated. Very fun game and is definitely one of the best game to sit down with people and play.

Competitive Players consider Melee to be 90% mental and 10% Tech Skill game, so it being "made up of people who are trying to out-cheat the other person in order to claim victory" would make sense, however just like you said it all subjective. Just because it doesn't fit the generic mold of a "2D Fighter" doesn't mean its broken.
Technically, it about 10 of them and there are plenty of low tier heroes in the competitive scene. The use of items did exist in early scene but overall was banned because it basically made it a game of luck.

Competitive melee is something you really enjoy or really dislike.

Take this with a grain of salt.

Nothing against it not being a traditional 2D fighter and that is not at all why it's broken imo. I believe it is broken because in order to be competitive one must become adept at exploiting the games controls in a way they were never meant to be used. Hence why the better you are at cheating (wave dashing and all the other so called competitive techniques) the more likely you are to beat your opponent who isn't as good as you at exploiting the game. That is what makes it a broken game and partially why the competitive melee scene isn't respected nearly as much as many other competitive gaming scenes. Scenes that are for the most part based around genuinely skilled players playing the game as it was intended and designed to prove they are better.

Yeah, items are random, but I believe a true test of skill is to be able to deal with any of those items as their user or as a person trying to defend against their use. I believe this is something that the Melee scene couldn't or didn't want to deal with so they decided to ban items instead.

What's sad is that underneath all the exploits is a very fun game that can still be played competitively, but unfortunately has been hijacked by people who feel otherwise. My opinion of course.

[sworddude]

Super Smash Bros Melee, Call of duty (all of them)

How can you call smash melee an overated game while it is an excellent game that everyone praises.

It is the best in the series thanks to gameplay mechanics especially in the competetive scene.

It's the fastest smash game with the most things to master. It is really technical and it has way more variety than the standard 2d fighting games. You will actually need allot of skill to be really good at this game aside from allot of different things wich can happen during battle.

That cannot be said towards other 2d fighting games with the same combo's wich are used all the time.

It is also a game that is really addicting, one can spend litterally hours on this game even if one does not want to.

I will say this though that there are few games that can make you stay hooked so long as melee. Furthermore a nearly perfect game it cannot be called overrated.

The new Street fighter games are overated wich are garbage in my opinion.

Also if I'm honest you cannot call cal of duty and halo series overrated games.

Why not if you might task?

I personally don't like the games but they are the best in their series, they make people play them for litterally hours days weeks months's while doing nothing else. Furthermore there are allot of people who do this.

If a game does this to a large amount of people One cannot simple say that a game is overrated since there are plenty who want to play this game and find it great especially with game such as halo etc since those communities are pretty much the largest of them all and all hooked on them as addicts.

Seriously compared to those communities we are nothing, It's just your opinion that you don't like the game that much while plenty of others do. in my opinion if that's the case a game is not overated even though I'm not a fan of those series I have to admit that they are the best in their series it's fact. You cannot call those games overated if they are the best in that genre.

Melee is a fun game, in fact I'd definitely say it's top 5 Gamecube game hands down. The reason it is overrated is because of people treating like it's the perfect game. It isn't.

It's relevance in the competitive scene is based off a bunch of people finding control exploits that Sakurai himself condemned as being improper in regards to how the game was intended to be played. Essentially the competitive scene is made up of people who are trying to out-cheat the other person in order to claim victory. I don't call that a perfect game or a masterpiece, I call that a broken game. On top of that, the roster is heavily unbalanced, favoring heavily 4 or 5 characters that 80% of the competitive players use. Also, I find it hilarious that competitive players shun the use of items when last time I checked they are a key part of the gameplay. Seems to me that they should be included in so called competitive play, but maybe that's just me. Because of this, a lot of people act like this game is the best fighting game ever made when it doesn't even come close, at least as a game that is competitive by design.

As far as Melee's lasting appeal, it's entirely subjective. I for one enjoy playing it here and there, but have never felt like playing it for hours on end, at least not since around the time it first came out. I know many people who don't care for it at all. To say "everyone' praises it is a gross over-generalization.

Again, not shitting on this game, only pointing out why I claim it is overrated. Very fun game and is definitely one of the best game to sit down with people and play.

Competitive Players consider Melee to be 90% mental and 10% Tech Skill game, so it being "made up of people who are trying to out-cheat the other person in order to claim victory" would make sense, however just like you said it all subjective. Just because it doesn't fit the generic mold of a "2D Fighter" doesn't mean its broken.
Technically, it about 10 of them and there are plenty of low tier heroes in the competitive scene. The use of items did exist in early scene but overall was banned because it basically made it a game of luck.

Competitive melee is something you really enjoy or really dislike.

Take this with a grain of salt.

Nothing against it not being a traditional 2D fighter and that is not at all why it's broken imo. I believe it is broken because in order to be competitive one must become adept at exploiting the games controls in a way they were never meant to be used. Hence why the better you are at cheating (wave dashing and all the other so called competitive techniques) the more likely you are to beat your opponent who isn't as good as you at exploiting the game. That is what makes it a broken game and partially why the competitive melee scene isn't respected nearly as much as many other competitive gaming scenes. Scenes that are for the most part based around genuinely skilled players playing the game as it was intended and designed to prove they are better.

Yeah, items are random, but I believe a true test of skill is to be able to deal with any of those items as their user or as a person trying to defend against their use. I believe this is something that the Melee scene couldn't or didn't want to deal with so they decided to ban items instead.

What's sad is that underneath all the exploits is a very fun game that can still be played competitively, but unfortunately has been hijacked by people who feel otherwise. My opinion of course.

exploiting the game by methods wich were no natural for te game called cheating?

It does require allot of skill to master these methods and there are more and more people who master them

The way you say it it is like those cheats are really easy to use wich they are not. i can;t call it cheating if the opponent has all the info available for the start to master it. It;s just a matter of perfect timing and reading what your opponent might do in the next steps.

i don't see the point since everyone has these tricks available online how to do them. Not many people are good at mastering them in fact only the top 50 worldwide can do it pretty well.

i don't see the point even though it is not natural for the game everyone can use it and it requires allot of skill. Items are a luck factor you can't play with items some items are just way to OP.

[kashell]

You're not understanding what Biking is saying. He said being ready for items and their randomness takes just as much as skill as other aspects in Melee.

[sworddude]

You're not understanding what Biking is saying. He said being ready for items and their randomness takes just as much as skill as other aspects in Melee.

Howcome?

Even a total noob can win from a top player when throwing a few pokeballs or having stars all the time.

There is nothing that you can do about that.

Furthermore random explosions out of nowhere wich kill you instantly unreactable.

I must be missing something but items are way to random and it takes no skill it all if you get the right items or if your opponent is unlucky when an explosion falls out of the sky.

[kashell]

A newcomer that camps while waiting for items is going to get massacred by a more experienced player.

Each item has a use, but also has a disadvantage. An experienced player can work with an item or deal with someone who is relying on an item. Also, in all my years of playing all iterations of Smash, I have never seen someone randomly explode in the sky. If there's an explosion, it's because someone set a trap, threw a Bob-omb or let a Bob-omb/Electrode remain dormant for too long. Those are just a few examples.

[ignition365]

Most items you can deflect or cancel out.  I think you can even catch pokeballs.  Even then, a lot of items have a chance to be a dud or back fire completely.

[sworddude]

A newcomer that camps while waiting for items is going to get massacred by a more experienced player.

Each item has a use, but also has a disadvantage. An experienced player can work with an item or deal with someone who is relying on an item. Also, in all my years of playing all iterations of Smash, I have never seen someone randomly explode in the sky. If there's an explosion, it's because someone set a trap, threw a Bob-omb or let a Bob-omb/Electrode remain dormant for too long. Those are just a few examples.

You don't get it.

One match last two rounds, if one is really lucky even without camping a proffesional player can be knocked out of the bracket by some guy who just was lucky and has no skill at all. Everyone can win with items.

Also if two proffesional player play against eachouther there is no skill involved It's just who has the best item first

Furtheremore there are random explosions.

If a bottle or even box falls out of the sky and your near (under) it it will explode. I'm not to sure about bombs but It's torally random.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EFx0-Zkn54

yes you can catch items but a pokeball can also be thrown down so pretty much useless.

Also if I'm not mistaken bombs and explosions cannot be shielded you can't even power shield them.

[kashell]

I get it just fine. And this is coming from someone who actually doesn't like using items at all, even when I'm playing just for fun. Items are not a game breaker. Each one has a disadvantage.

Again, I have never -EVER- seen a player randomly explode. If an item is thrown? Absolutely.