Author Topic: Do Video Game Companies Still Use Data Compression On Video Games Anymore?  (Read 257 times)

Google says
the sims 3 for PC only is At least 6.1 GB of hard drive space with at least 1 GB of additional space for custom content and saved games.Jun 6, 2013.
How much hard disk space does The Sims 3 take up when all of its expansion and stuff packs are installed? I can't give you exact numbers but the base game takes up at least around 20GB. The expansions are probably smaller but not that smaller. Stuff packs are much smaller than EPs and the base game.


OK so  anyone should know that mostly all PC games, have data that is all recorded onto an internal harddrive, So why the fracking hell do so many modern console games  take 20 to 50 gigabyte or more for one stinking game. plus even more gigabyte space for Downloadable content  and don't even include expansions?

Does anyone have any slightest idea of how big any Sims game is on PC is? and how much that game has to offer on the PC version?

Back in the day everything used to be compressed (in the 2000's) and still look and sound vary good. I have a vary old early digital camera with only 1GB of storage space  it records in HD I think with over an hour of video length, and with fantastic quality. both video and sound.


OK maybe because of the hardware or console specs?

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I think I figured out
 the original kind of Data compression were Lossy Data Compression. In case you didn't know is a process that can reduce the graphical and sound picture quality in order to fit large games or files on a CD, cartridge harddrive, or DVD or Blu ray. Without making much of a difference from it's original format like all compressed data is. In other words with the technology out these days big hard drives are becoming bigger. But so are the files on them since most people consider compression a bad thing, but I use lossless compression, in which still has the file compressed from it's original format, but there is no difference in quality when something claims to be lossless. Making lossless compression better in my opinion. Thoughts?

It is possible on just about all Windows PC OS since XP. To allow you to save hard drive space by compressing files. Should your hard drive ever need more space and you don't want to lose any critical data. And It will hold more data should you ever want to save some space on any harddrive that you are allowed to compress data.


« Last Edit: December 08, 2018, 06:36:21 pm by oldgamerz »
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In a lot of ways you answered your own question.

Now days compression is really only important when it comes to network transfers.

Disk space is cheap these days.

Compression is still widely used but in many cases the switch has been to lossless compression.

In addition practically everything now (consoles especially) uses encryption.

Encryption increases data size by roughly 30-40% depending on the scheme used.

Like binary code, encrypted data does not compress nearly as well as text data.

So it’s a combination of a move more towards lossless or even just “less lossy” compression becuase high def displays demand maximum quality. And privacy/piracy concerns requiring encryption.

You can compress your pc hard dive but I don’t recommend it. The performance penalty and chances for data loss are both very high.

Every time you need to use the data it has to be first uncompressed. If part of the disk fails that part now affects multiple files not just one.

Much better to simply buy more drives and have multiple copies of things.

I’m sure there are folks here that can do one better than me, but I remember when a 30mb hard drive was $200.

“Dude you can fit all three episodes of DOOM on there!”
« Last Edit: December 08, 2018, 03:52:16 pm by dashv »

In a lot of ways you answered your own question.


You can compress your pc hard dive but I don’t recommend it. The performance penalty and chances for data loss are both very high.


Every time you need to use the data it has to be first uncompressed. If part of the disk fails that part now affects multiple files not just one.

Much better to simply buy more drives and have multiple copies of things.

I’m sure there are folks here that can do one better than me, but I remember when a 30mb hard drive was $200.

“Dude you can fit all three episodes of DOOM on there!”

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I didn't previously know about what you just said @dashv not being a good idea to compress the harddrive, I correct my own judgement
the bold needs to followed it is not a good idea after all, to compress the hard drive because you can always get another harddrive cheaply therefore I no longer recommend it

I never actually did try to compress any hard drive lately but I believe everything you just said,  I have on an older computer though :)

sorry for the caps earlier I wasn't angry at all :-[
« Last Edit: December 10, 2018, 02:41:33 am by oldgamerz »
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I do believe Nintendo games still tend to be compressed. It's how they fit on the little chips and why many other companies struggle to fit their games on even Blu ray discs (>_> Spyro).

I think compression needs to come back though so we don't have to download our disc based games of the net.

dashv

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I do believe Nintendo games still tend to be compressed. It's how they fit on the little chips and why many other companies struggle to fit their games on even Blu ray discs (>_> Spyro).

I think compression needs to come back though so we don't have to download our disc based games of the net.

Games on switch only need to support 1080p. Games on PS4 and XB1 now need to support up to 4k.

All three platforms are using compression where appropriate. The same game will vary in size for each platform becuase the level of detail they can each support is very different.

The fact you need to install disc based games to the hard drive actually has nothing to do with if the data is compressed or uncompressed.

The console makers have learned the hard way that relying on the disc reader too much (ie when actually playing the game) is too much wear and tear and they got tired of RMA’ing consoles just becuase the proprietary disc drives failed.

Hard drives are built for speed and to handle abuse. They are also pretty cheap now. So better to let it take the brunt of excessive use and wear. If the hardrive dies, the user can swap it for another one off the shelf, no RMA required.

Custom disc drives are still necessary becuase that’s where a lot of the bootleg prevention magic is.

Of the shelf hardrives can be used becuase encryption makes them useless unless used with an authorized console.

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I’m sure there are folks here that can do one better than me, but I remember when a 30mb hard drive was $200.

“Dude you can fit all three episodes of DOOM on there!”

lol there is a guy at work that has old magazine advertisements for computer components pinned to his desk and my favorite one is

"NEW 1 MEGABYTE OF STORAGE NOW FOR THE LOW PRICE OF $800 EACH"

best part about it is its shown in some ones hand and it looks to be about the size of a mother board today.

as for my own memory I remember going to a staples and seeing a 20GB external hard drive for $400 and thinking that was a good deal. just imagine never having to buy another one! lol
« Last Edit: December 10, 2018, 11:00:06 am by rayne315 »
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dashv

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I’m sure there are folks here that can do one better than me, but I remember when a 30mb hard drive was $200.

“Dude you can fit all three episodes of DOOM on there!”

lol there is a guy at work that has old magazine advertisements for computer components pinned to his desk and my favorite one is

"NEW 1 MEGABYTE OF STORAGE NOW FOR THE LOW PRICE OF $800 EACH"

best part about it is its shown in some ones hand and it looks to be about the size of a mother board today.

as for my own memory I remember going to a staples and seeing a 20GB external hard drive for $400 and thinking that was a good deal. just imagine never having to buy another one! lol

20gb! That’ll take a lifetime to fill!