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| Warmsignal:
--- Quote from: bikingjahuty on February 01, 2020, 12:17:22 am --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on January 31, 2020, 06:53:53 pm --- --- Quote from: bikingjahuty on January 31, 2020, 01:28:24 pm --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 20, 2019, 09:47:58 pm --- Sadly, it's become one of the most "collectible" consoles of all time in the past couple of decades. Perhaps more collected than actually played. Many people seem to collect full-sets for the system, despite not being Saturn diehard fans. The cost of admission has become far too high for many at this point, which is a shame. --- End quote --- I knew a guy who did this several years ago, and what baffled me is he didn't even care for the system that much. I think he just wanted bragging rights to say he had a complete set. He did end up getting it too, along with the really rare stuff like Netlink Daytona USA, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Winning Post, and a bunch of other super rare stuff. To add insult to injury he sold the entire set about a year later. I guess he realized people didn't think he was as cool as he though they would. But yeah, I've noticed a lot of people that collect for it don't really play it, or they used to play it a long time ago, and now it's just a collection that looks cool on a shelf. To be fair though, it seems like this describes most collectors, but the Saturn seems to attract this sort of collecting even more. At least from my observations. --- End quote --- I do think the Saturn has some of the best looking box design of any console, but just as I feel with any platform, when you muddy up a collection full of all the junk that comes with a full-set, it just starts to look kinda bad in all honesty. There's nothing impressive about a slew of football and basketball games that you know are not there to ever be played, or to express any sentimental value for... or a set of redundant copies of the same rare game just because it has different disc art inside. I've also personally ran into another collector who was attempting a Saturn full-set as well. The fact that so many people do this, is partially the reason why the games are so expensive. How many copies of PDS are in the possession of collectors who don't even care for the game play? For that matter, how many Saturn collectors have you seen who actually own multiple copies of it? Same thing with SNES and NES to an extent, but you've got to have really deep pockets to do something like that with the Saturn. To each their own, but full-set collecting is not for me and is not the type of collecting that I find interesting. Nobody actually talks about any of the Saturn games unless they're super rare, or published by Working Designs and that's what kind of bums me out. I believe a lot a good games on Saturn are not even the super rare ones. Where are all the Panzer Dragoon 1 fans? The Nights fans? Are Last Bronx fans a thing? Am I the only one who's actually played High Velocity Mountain Racing Challenge? Sometimes I feel like the only one who knows Burning Rangers is borderline a bad game, while the only thing you hear about it is how rare and collectible it is. I just get the impression people don't play Saturn much, but they collect it a lot. --- End quote --- Here's something that'll really piss you off. A friend of mine who is also a collector answered a response to an ad he had on Craigslist that he was interested in buying retro games from people. He gets a call from some guy who says he has a bunch of super rare games, but doesn't at any point say he's looking to sell them, but my friend assumes this so he follows up by arranging to meet the guy at his house. My friend gets there and the guy literally has a basement full of boxes filled with thousands of games, many of which are still brand new. The guy was a manager for EB Games back in the day and he used to purchase games from the late 16-bit era all the way up to PS2 and Gamecube for pennies on the dollar when the store wasn't able to sell them. As a result of the Saturn being a complete failure in the US, he had hundreds of sealed Saturn games, all of which were desirable titles. According to my friend this guy had 5 sealed copies of Panzer Dragoon Saga, around 10 sealed copies of Magic Knight Rayearth, and a bunch of other duplicates sealed Saturn games ranging from stuff like Virtua Fighter all the way up to your rare heavy hitters. My friend was freaking out thinking this guy was just wanting to unload all this stuff for cheap, but then when he went to talk how much the guy wanted, he essentially said none of it was for sale unless my friend wanted to pay pretty much double ebay for it. My friend asked the guy why he invited him over if he didn't really have any intention of selling it, and the guy literally told him he loves seeing the reaction on collector's faces when they see what he has. My friend left there with nothing, totally blue balled, and pretty annoyed. I've met several other collectors since who've seen this guys stuff, as late as a couple years ago and says he still does this shit. Think about that though; this random dude who just happened to be a hoarder at the right place at the right time has tons of never opened copies of these games that you rarely ever see anywhere. And no, he's not alone; I'm sure there are many other people that did this, as well as your run of the mill collector who has a fetish for Working Design or 5th Gen JRPGs and has several copies of these games. I know a few personally that do this. It really does jack the prices up on this stuff and it's beyond annoying. And for the record, I'm a gamer first and a collector second; every game I buy is bought with the intention of playing the game and seeing what it's like. In fact, I bought Panzer Dragoon Saga around this time last year, and immediately when it arrived in the mail I began playing it and beat it that same week. It's a slightly above average JRPG, but it's about half as good as most retro Final Fantasy games I've played, and is certainly not good enough to be held in the same conversation as the greatest JRPGs of all time. But I'd be surprised if even half the people that currently own it have actually played it. --- End quote --- Seems like a common trend among those obsessed with Saturn collecting. I've seen more than a few videos on YT where collectors have between 2 - 4 copies of PDS on their shelf. They don't even try to offer an explanation for it, it's basically the reputation of the game. Owning multiple copies of the same exact game is something you tend to see more often I with Saturn collections. I think some of them like you say, have acquired multiples years ago when it was cheap and now just hold on to the extras. Some collectors enjoy owning what they know everyone else wishes they could have, I suppose. Although, the most oddly irksome thing I've ever seen on YT, was this "mass unboxing" video where a guy showed off his PS4 collection and it was literally 5 - 6 copies of every single game still sealed. The guy was obviously a multi-millionaire, or else has been robbing some stores blind. He claimed he owned so many copies because he owns many PS4s and wanted to be able to play multiplayer with his friends... except his entirely library was sealed when he did the video. So either no friends, a huge thief, or a ridiculously wealthy hoarder. The most nuts thing I've ever seen. |
| sworddude:
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on February 01, 2020, 02:46:46 pm --- --- Quote from: bikingjahuty on February 01, 2020, 12:17:22 am --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on January 31, 2020, 06:53:53 pm --- --- Quote from: bikingjahuty on January 31, 2020, 01:28:24 pm --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 20, 2019, 09:47:58 pm --- Sadly, it's become one of the most "collectible" consoles of all time in the past couple of decades. Perhaps more collected than actually played. Many people seem to collect full-sets for the system, despite not being Saturn diehard fans. The cost of admission has become far too high for many at this point, which is a shame. --- End quote --- I knew a guy who did this several years ago, and what baffled me is he didn't even care for the system that much. I think he just wanted bragging rights to say he had a complete set. He did end up getting it too, along with the really rare stuff like Netlink Daytona USA, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Winning Post, and a bunch of other super rare stuff. To add insult to injury he sold the entire set about a year later. I guess he realized people didn't think he was as cool as he though they would. But yeah, I've noticed a lot of people that collect for it don't really play it, or they used to play it a long time ago, and now it's just a collection that looks cool on a shelf. To be fair though, it seems like this describes most collectors, but the Saturn seems to attract this sort of collecting even more. At least from my observations. --- End quote --- I do think the Saturn has some of the best looking box design of any console, but just as I feel with any platform, when you muddy up a collection full of all the junk that comes with a full-set, it just starts to look kinda bad in all honesty. There's nothing impressive about a slew of football and basketball games that you know are not there to ever be played, or to express any sentimental value for... or a set of redundant copies of the same rare game just because it has different disc art inside. I've also personally ran into another collector who was attempting a Saturn full-set as well. The fact that so many people do this, is partially the reason why the games are so expensive. How many copies of PDS are in the possession of collectors who don't even care for the game play? For that matter, how many Saturn collectors have you seen who actually own multiple copies of it? Same thing with SNES and NES to an extent, but you've got to have really deep pockets to do something like that with the Saturn. To each their own, but full-set collecting is not for me and is not the type of collecting that I find interesting. Nobody actually talks about any of the Saturn games unless they're super rare, or published by Working Designs and that's what kind of bums me out. I believe a lot a good games on Saturn are not even the super rare ones. Where are all the Panzer Dragoon 1 fans? The Nights fans? Are Last Bronx fans a thing? Am I the only one who's actually played High Velocity Mountain Racing Challenge? Sometimes I feel like the only one who knows Burning Rangers is borderline a bad game, while the only thing you hear about it is how rare and collectible it is. I just get the impression people don't play Saturn much, but they collect it a lot. --- End quote --- Here's something that'll really piss you off. A friend of mine who is also a collector answered a response to an ad he had on Craigslist that he was interested in buying retro games from people. He gets a call from some guy who says he has a bunch of super rare games, but doesn't at any point say he's looking to sell them, but my friend assumes this so he follows up by arranging to meet the guy at his house. My friend gets there and the guy literally has a basement full of boxes filled with thousands of games, many of which are still brand new. The guy was a manager for EB Games back in the day and he used to purchase games from the late 16-bit era all the way up to PS2 and Gamecube for pennies on the dollar when the store wasn't able to sell them. As a result of the Saturn being a complete failure in the US, he had hundreds of sealed Saturn games, all of which were desirable titles. According to my friend this guy had 5 sealed copies of Panzer Dragoon Saga, around 10 sealed copies of Magic Knight Rayearth, and a bunch of other duplicates sealed Saturn games ranging from stuff like Virtua Fighter all the way up to your rare heavy hitters. My friend was freaking out thinking this guy was just wanting to unload all this stuff for cheap, but then when he went to talk how much the guy wanted, he essentially said none of it was for sale unless my friend wanted to pay pretty much double ebay for it. My friend asked the guy why he invited him over if he didn't really have any intention of selling it, and the guy literally told him he loves seeing the reaction on collector's faces when they see what he has. My friend left there with nothing, totally blue balled, and pretty annoyed. I've met several other collectors since who've seen this guys stuff, as late as a couple years ago and says he still does this shit. Think about that though; this random dude who just happened to be a hoarder at the right place at the right time has tons of never opened copies of these games that you rarely ever see anywhere. And no, he's not alone; I'm sure there are many other people that did this, as well as your run of the mill collector who has a fetish for Working Design or 5th Gen JRPGs and has several copies of these games. I know a few personally that do this. It really does jack the prices up on this stuff and it's beyond annoying. And for the record, I'm a gamer first and a collector second; every game I buy is bought with the intention of playing the game and seeing what it's like. In fact, I bought Panzer Dragoon Saga around this time last year, and immediately when it arrived in the mail I began playing it and beat it that same week. It's a slightly above average JRPG, but it's about half as good as most retro Final Fantasy games I've played, and is certainly not good enough to be held in the same conversation as the greatest JRPGs of all time. But I'd be surprised if even half the people that currently own it have actually played it. --- End quote --- Seems like a common trend among those obsessed with Saturn collecting. I've seen more than a few videos on YT where collectors have between 2 - 4 copies of PDS on their shelf. They don't even try to offer an explanation for it, it's basically the reputation of the game. Owning multiple copies of the same exact game is something you tend to see more often I with Saturn collections. I think some of them like you say, have acquired multiples years ago when it was cheap and now just hold on to the extras. Some collectors enjoy owning what they know everyone else wishes they could have, I suppose. Although, the most oddly irksome thing I've ever seen on YT, was this "mass unboxing" video where a guy showed off his PS4 collection and it was literally 5 - 6 copies of every single game still sealed. The guy was obviously a multi-millionaire, or else has been robbing some stores blind. He claimed he owned so many copies because he owns many PS4s and wanted to be able to play multiplayer with his friends... except his entirely library was sealed when he did the video. So either no friends, a huge thief, or a ridiculously wealthy hoarder. The most nuts thing I've ever seen. --- End quote --- what about people who spend 50% of their income on games? you dont need to be rich to have an insane collection. some people just spend a sizable chunk of their income. could you imagine if you just spend 1000 or 2000 $ on games a month it's not that hard if you have less priorities after paying the monthly bills. |
| oldgamerz:
--- Quote from: sworddude on February 01, 2020, 06:21:12 pm --- what about people who spend 50% of their income on games? you dont need to be rich to have an insane collection. some people just spend a sizable chunk of their income. could you imagine if you just spend 1000 or 2000 $ on games a month it's not that hard if you have less priorities after paying the monthly bills. --- End quote --- it depends on where you live, and what you can find, I've noticed prices change vary often online. As for the man and others with 1000's of sealed games, and shows his collection only to brag there is nothing any of us can do about people like that. My biggest fear is having someone attempt to buy every single game in my local area, then we got a few people who destroy the games, again nothing anyone can do about that. Sometimes we need to be thankfull for what we have already, even if all we have is 1 game in our collection |
| hoshichiri:
These guys doing the hoarding are idiots. Don't they remember the Atari bubble? When I was in middle school, Atari nostalgia was a big deal- you could get all sorts of branded merch at Hot Topic & whatnot. Then it aged out of popularity & now hardly anyone gives a crap. Even the rarest of rare Atari games, like Pepsi Invaders, can't pull more than a 3 digit price. These guys are just assuming the market will hold- but they're running on borrowed time. Eventually the kids of today will grow up, & they won't want most of our junk. You see it in the displays we show off in stores & magazines... minimalist trappings. Don't collect stuff. Just download/stream all your media & hide the boxes & cords that store & move your data. Eventually no one will come to see their piles of sealed games, even when they do intend to sell- and they'll be left alone, looking at their horde, & realizing all the potential gains they could have had & passed on for the sole purpose of being jerks to the only people who cared. |
| sworddude:
--- Quote from: hoshichiri on February 02, 2020, 11:14:41 am ---These guys doing the hoarding are idiots. Don't they remember the Atari bubble? When I was in middle school, Atari nostalgia was a big deal- you could get all sorts of branded merch at Hot Topic & whatnot. Then it aged out of popularity & now hardly anyone gives a crap. Even the rarest of rare Atari games, like Pepsi Invaders, can't pull more than a 3 digit price. These guys are just assuming the market will hold- but they're running on borrowed time. Eventually the kids of today will grow up, & they won't want most of our junk. You see it in the displays we show off in stores & magazines... minimalist trappings. Don't collect stuff. Just download/stream all your media & hide the boxes & cords that store & move your data. Eventually no one will come to see their piles of sealed games, even when they do intend to sell- and they'll be left alone, looking at their horde, & realizing all the potential gains they could have had & passed on for the sole purpose of being jerks to the only people who cared. --- End quote --- I'm pretty sure the market wont crash in the next 10 to 20 years they'll probably have sold it by than these people are getting old after all retirement. they won't hold on to those games for long. i have seen such people already making bank. Besides if it was actually like atari that crash should have already happened years ago. atari was minimalistic yet nowadays we have brand new indi games in sprite game form and even in the case of atari the rare stuff still sells for big money. old ip's coming back such as megaman, metroidvania making a comeback. 2d action platformers. can we like not forget that in the nes saved the gaming industry. even back in the day atari was getting old and was considered very meh at the beginning stages of the nes era. atari is literally a few lines and simplistic sound effects. yet nowadays a games actually have 2d throwbacks aswell. it will end for sure but i highly doubt that those hoarders will mis anything unless they are stupid enough to never sell it at all, aside from the fact that if the market actually crashes i highly doubt anyone would sell their panzer dragoon saga for 20 or 50$ or even less when they paid 500 600 + unless they are in a very unfavourable position in life. funkopops now that is a beanie babies fad that will die out some time soon if your holding pricy stuff for that. shelf candy trinkets for a popular series.. we all hope for that retrogame crash sometime soon since you can buy all the games for dirt cheap than. I highly doubt it will happen in our life time maybe at the end of our life time if I had to guess. would love to be proven wrong btw. moderns games have 2d throwbacks where getting excellent 2d indi games like bloodstained curse of the moon. classic disney throwbacks like cuphead. capcom bringing ip's such as megaman back. unlike atari wich just had a small homebrew scene. atari games was almost purely nostalgia while 2d games actually attracts a new audience aswell not to mention nintendo ip's modern games implementing 2d because people want it. zelda kirby mario pokemon those are pretty popular atm so kinda hard to see those classic games die anytime soon unless nintendo goes bankrupped and makes all them ip's forgotten. and wich people drove the pokemon prices up. cant be veterans who already own the games after the pokemon go craze. pokemon prices never fully recovered to those lower prices after pokemon go hype died down to name one example. also say esports mortal kombat street fighter king of fighters they all have their classic roots to keep them older games alive so unless those series go bankrupped again. where are all the references to atari to keep it fresh all those ip's are so simplistic and boring. a ton of retro games have awesome visuals, soundtracks or iconic characters that make people go back to play the older games. atari has nothing aside from pacman wich isnt that fantastic really. |
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