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| bikingjahuty:
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 20, 2019, 09:47:58 pm --- Sadly, it's become one of the most "collectible" consoles of all time in the past couple of decades. Perhaps more collected than actually played. Many people seem to collect full-sets for the system, despite not being Saturn diehard fans. The cost of admission has become far too high for many at this point, which is a shame. --- End quote --- I knew a guy who did this several years ago, and what baffled me is he didn't even care for the system that much. I think he just wanted bragging rights to say he had a complete set. He did end up getting it too, along with the really rare stuff like Netlink Daytona USA, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Winning Post, and a bunch of other super rare stuff. To add insult to injury he sold the entire set about a year later. I guess he realized people didn't think he was as cool as he though they would. But yeah, I've noticed a lot of people that collect for it don't really play it, or they used to play it a long time ago, and now it's just a collection that looks cool on a shelf. To be fair though, it seems like this describes most collectors, but the Saturn seems to attract this sort of collecting even more. At least from my observations. |
| Warmsignal:
--- Quote from: bikingjahuty on January 31, 2020, 01:28:24 pm --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 20, 2019, 09:47:58 pm --- Sadly, it's become one of the most "collectible" consoles of all time in the past couple of decades. Perhaps more collected than actually played. Many people seem to collect full-sets for the system, despite not being Saturn diehard fans. The cost of admission has become far too high for many at this point, which is a shame. --- End quote --- I knew a guy who did this several years ago, and what baffled me is he didn't even care for the system that much. I think he just wanted bragging rights to say he had a complete set. He did end up getting it too, along with the really rare stuff like Netlink Daytona USA, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Winning Post, and a bunch of other super rare stuff. To add insult to injury he sold the entire set about a year later. I guess he realized people didn't think he was as cool as he though they would. But yeah, I've noticed a lot of people that collect for it don't really play it, or they used to play it a long time ago, and now it's just a collection that looks cool on a shelf. To be fair though, it seems like this describes most collectors, but the Saturn seems to attract this sort of collecting even more. At least from my observations. --- End quote --- I do think the Saturn has some of the best looking box design of any console, but just as I feel with any platform, when you muddy up a collection full of all the junk that comes with a full-set, it just starts to look kinda bad in all honesty. There's nothing impressive about a slew of football and basketball games that you know are not there to ever be played, or to express any sentimental value for... or a set of redundant copies of the same rare game just because it has different disc art inside. I've also personally ran into another collector who was attempting a Saturn full-set as well. The fact that so many people do this, is partially the reason why the games are so expensive. How many copies of PDS are in the possession of collectors who don't even care for the game play? For that matter, how many Saturn collectors have you seen who actually own multiple copies of it? Same thing with SNES and NES to an extent, but you've got to have really deep pockets to do something like that with the Saturn. To each their own, but full-set collecting is not for me and is not the type of collecting that I find interesting. Nobody actually talks about any of the Saturn games unless they're super rare, or published by Working Designs and that's what kind of bums me out. I believe a lot a good games on Saturn are not even the super rare ones. Where are all the Panzer Dragoon 1 fans? The Nights fans? Are Last Bronx fans a thing? Am I the only one who's actually played High Velocity Mountain Racing Challenge? Sometimes I feel like the only one who knows Burning Rangers is borderline a bad game, while the only thing you hear about it is how rare and collectible it is. I just get the impression people don't play Saturn much, but they collect it a lot. |
| sworddude:
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on January 31, 2020, 06:53:53 pm --- --- Quote from: bikingjahuty on January 31, 2020, 01:28:24 pm --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 20, 2019, 09:47:58 pm --- Sadly, it's become one of the most "collectible" consoles of all time in the past couple of decades. Perhaps more collected than actually played. Many people seem to collect full-sets for the system, despite not being Saturn diehard fans. The cost of admission has become far too high for many at this point, which is a shame. --- End quote --- I knew a guy who did this several years ago, and what baffled me is he didn't even care for the system that much. I think he just wanted bragging rights to say he had a complete set. He did end up getting it too, along with the really rare stuff like Netlink Daytona USA, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Winning Post, and a bunch of other super rare stuff. To add insult to injury he sold the entire set about a year later. I guess he realized people didn't think he was as cool as he though they would. But yeah, I've noticed a lot of people that collect for it don't really play it, or they used to play it a long time ago, and now it's just a collection that looks cool on a shelf. To be fair though, it seems like this describes most collectors, but the Saturn seems to attract this sort of collecting even more. At least from my observations. --- End quote --- I do think the Saturn has some of the best looking box design of any console, but just as I feel with any platform, when you muddy up a collection full of all the junk that comes with a full-set, it just starts to look kinda bad in all honesty. There's nothing impressive about a slew of football and basketball games that you know are not there to ever be played, or to express any sentimental value for... or a set of redundant copies of the same rare game just because it has different disc art inside. I've also personally ran into another collector who was attempting a Saturn full-set as well. The fact that so many people do this, is partially the reason why the games are so expensive. How many copies of PDS are in the possession of collectors who don't even care for the game play? For that matter, how many Saturn collectors have you seen who actually own multiple copies of it? Same thing with SNES and NES to an extent, but you've got to have really deep pockets to do something like that with the Saturn. To each their own, but full-set collecting is not for me and is not the type of collecting that I find interesting. Nobody actually talks about any of the Saturn games unless they're super rare, or published by Working Designs and that's what kind of bums me out. I believe a lot a good games on Saturn are not even the super rare ones. Where are all the Panzer Dragoon 1 fans? The Nights fans? Are Last Bronx fans a thing? Am I the only one who's actually played High Velocity Mountain Racing Challenge? Sometimes I feel like the only one who knows Burning Rangers is borderline a bad game, while the only thing you hear about it is how rare and collectible it is. I just get the impression people don't play Saturn much, but they collect it a lot. --- End quote --- i disagree cib snes and nes have multiple games being over a 1000$ you'll need far bigger pockets for those systems than saturn. the holy grails on saturn are like 400 - 800 $ with panzer dragoon and burning rangers being one of those few and that one racing game being over 1000$. saturn is a small library and the holy grails are not in the same price range of cib snes and nes being several K and having multiple games in that 500$ or more range not to mention those few games like stadium events or nwc carts. the combination of the holy grails not being as high as with other old consoles and the smaller library results in needing way less money to complete a set than cib. as far as working designs goes though. the rpg's are apparently pretty good and they have quite a fanbase so it's that hard to imagine people talking about those with especially the lunar series making those games popular. havent played burning rangers yet but it looks pretty interesting gameplay wise just the insane price tag that makes it pretty unattractive for what it is. I've got to say though the last bronx might look pretty cool like a soul calibur like on dreamcast. There arent that many people that collect saturn so those classic non rarity fans might be far and few inbetween since a ton of people just give up before even getting into saturn collecting. even a lose console is pretty pricy and even the most basic good games like panzer dragoon 1 and knights are again decently pricy. also at least in my parts for saturn the market is bone dry mostly your generic stuff like daytona sega rally you name it very mediocre games on the market. there is not much motivation for people to collect if mostly the common trash non playable games are on the market. Saturn sales where bad and you'll have mostly trash games as a result. and again even the common good games are pricy as a result. Shinobi X and them darius games are imo some of the best games on the system |
| bikingjahuty:
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on January 31, 2020, 06:53:53 pm --- --- Quote from: bikingjahuty on January 31, 2020, 01:28:24 pm --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 20, 2019, 09:47:58 pm --- Sadly, it's become one of the most "collectible" consoles of all time in the past couple of decades. Perhaps more collected than actually played. Many people seem to collect full-sets for the system, despite not being Saturn diehard fans. The cost of admission has become far too high for many at this point, which is a shame. --- End quote --- I knew a guy who did this several years ago, and what baffled me is he didn't even care for the system that much. I think he just wanted bragging rights to say he had a complete set. He did end up getting it too, along with the really rare stuff like Netlink Daytona USA, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Winning Post, and a bunch of other super rare stuff. To add insult to injury he sold the entire set about a year later. I guess he realized people didn't think he was as cool as he though they would. But yeah, I've noticed a lot of people that collect for it don't really play it, or they used to play it a long time ago, and now it's just a collection that looks cool on a shelf. To be fair though, it seems like this describes most collectors, but the Saturn seems to attract this sort of collecting even more. At least from my observations. --- End quote --- I do think the Saturn has some of the best looking box design of any console, but just as I feel with any platform, when you muddy up a collection full of all the junk that comes with a full-set, it just starts to look kinda bad in all honesty. There's nothing impressive about a slew of football and basketball games that you know are not there to ever be played, or to express any sentimental value for... or a set of redundant copies of the same rare game just because it has different disc art inside. I've also personally ran into another collector who was attempting a Saturn full-set as well. The fact that so many people do this, is partially the reason why the games are so expensive. How many copies of PDS are in the possession of collectors who don't even care for the game play? For that matter, how many Saturn collectors have you seen who actually own multiple copies of it? Same thing with SNES and NES to an extent, but you've got to have really deep pockets to do something like that with the Saturn. To each their own, but full-set collecting is not for me and is not the type of collecting that I find interesting. Nobody actually talks about any of the Saturn games unless they're super rare, or published by Working Designs and that's what kind of bums me out. I believe a lot a good games on Saturn are not even the super rare ones. Where are all the Panzer Dragoon 1 fans? The Nights fans? Are Last Bronx fans a thing? Am I the only one who's actually played High Velocity Mountain Racing Challenge? Sometimes I feel like the only one who knows Burning Rangers is borderline a bad game, while the only thing you hear about it is how rare and collectible it is. I just get the impression people don't play Saturn much, but they collect it a lot. --- End quote --- Here's something that'll really piss you off. A friend of mine who is also a collector answered a response to an ad he had on Craigslist that he was interested in buying retro games from people. He gets a call from some guy who says he has a bunch of super rare games, but doesn't at any point say he's looking to sell them, but my friend assumes this so he follows up by arranging to meet the guy at his house. My friend gets there and the guy literally has a basement full of boxes filled with thousands of games, many of which are still brand new. The guy was a manager for EB Games back in the day and he used to purchase games from the late 16-bit era all the way up to PS2 and Gamecube for pennies on the dollar when the store wasn't able to sell them. As a result of the Saturn being a complete failure in the US, he had hundreds of sealed Saturn games, all of which were desirable titles. According to my friend this guy had 5 sealed copies of Panzer Dragoon Saga, around 10 sealed copies of Magic Knight Rayearth, and a bunch of other duplicates sealed Saturn games ranging from stuff like Virtua Fighter all the way up to your rare heavy hitters. My friend was freaking out thinking this guy was just wanting to unload all this stuff for cheap, but then when he went to talk how much the guy wanted, he essentially said none of it was for sale unless my friend wanted to pay pretty much double ebay for it. My friend asked the guy why he invited him over if he didn't really have any intention of selling it, and the guy literally told him he loves seeing the reaction on collector's faces when they see what he has. My friend left there with nothing, totally blue balled, and pretty annoyed. I've met several other collectors since who've seen this guys stuff, as late as a couple years ago and says he still does this shit. Think about that though; this random dude who just happened to be a hoarder at the right place at the right time has tons of never opened copies of these games that you rarely ever see anywhere. And no, he's not alone; I'm sure there are many other people that did this, as well as your run of the mill collector who has a fetish for Working Design or 5th Gen JRPGs and has several copies of these games. I know a few personally that do this. It really does jack the prices up on this stuff and it's beyond annoying. And for the record, I'm a gamer first and a collector second; every game I buy is bought with the intention of playing the game and seeing what it's like. In fact, I bought Panzer Dragoon Saga around this time last year, and immediately when it arrived in the mail I began playing it and beat it that same week. It's a slightly above average JRPG, but it's about half as good as most retro Final Fantasy games I've played, and is certainly not good enough to be held in the same conversation as the greatest JRPGs of all time. But I'd be surprised if even half the people that currently own it have actually played it. |
| sworddude:
--- Quote from: bikingjahuty on February 01, 2020, 12:17:22 am --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on January 31, 2020, 06:53:53 pm --- --- Quote from: bikingjahuty on January 31, 2020, 01:28:24 pm --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 20, 2019, 09:47:58 pm --- Sadly, it's become one of the most "collectible" consoles of all time in the past couple of decades. Perhaps more collected than actually played. Many people seem to collect full-sets for the system, despite not being Saturn diehard fans. The cost of admission has become far too high for many at this point, which is a shame. --- End quote --- I knew a guy who did this several years ago, and what baffled me is he didn't even care for the system that much. I think he just wanted bragging rights to say he had a complete set. He did end up getting it too, along with the really rare stuff like Netlink Daytona USA, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Winning Post, and a bunch of other super rare stuff. To add insult to injury he sold the entire set about a year later. I guess he realized people didn't think he was as cool as he though they would. But yeah, I've noticed a lot of people that collect for it don't really play it, or they used to play it a long time ago, and now it's just a collection that looks cool on a shelf. To be fair though, it seems like this describes most collectors, but the Saturn seems to attract this sort of collecting even more. At least from my observations. --- End quote --- I do think the Saturn has some of the best looking box design of any console, but just as I feel with any platform, when you muddy up a collection full of all the junk that comes with a full-set, it just starts to look kinda bad in all honesty. There's nothing impressive about a slew of football and basketball games that you know are not there to ever be played, or to express any sentimental value for... or a set of redundant copies of the same rare game just because it has different disc art inside. I've also personally ran into another collector who was attempting a Saturn full-set as well. The fact that so many people do this, is partially the reason why the games are so expensive. How many copies of PDS are in the possession of collectors who don't even care for the game play? For that matter, how many Saturn collectors have you seen who actually own multiple copies of it? Same thing with SNES and NES to an extent, but you've got to have really deep pockets to do something like that with the Saturn. To each their own, but full-set collecting is not for me and is not the type of collecting that I find interesting. Nobody actually talks about any of the Saturn games unless they're super rare, or published by Working Designs and that's what kind of bums me out. I believe a lot a good games on Saturn are not even the super rare ones. Where are all the Panzer Dragoon 1 fans? The Nights fans? Are Last Bronx fans a thing? Am I the only one who's actually played High Velocity Mountain Racing Challenge? Sometimes I feel like the only one who knows Burning Rangers is borderline a bad game, while the only thing you hear about it is how rare and collectible it is. I just get the impression people don't play Saturn much, but they collect it a lot. --- End quote --- Here's something that'll really piss you off. A friend of mine who is also a collector answered a response to an ad he had on Craigslist that he was interested in buying retro games from people. He gets a call from some guy who says he has a bunch of super rare games, but doesn't at any point say he's looking to sell them, but my friend assumes this so he follows up by arranging to meet the guy at his house. My friend gets there and the guy literally has a basement full of boxes filled with thousands of games, many of which are still brand new. The guy was a manager for EB Games back in the day and he used to purchase games from the late 16-bit era all the way up to PS2 and Gamecube for pennies on the dollar when the store wasn't able to sell them. As a result of the Saturn being a complete failure in the US, he had hundreds of sealed Saturn games, all of which were desirable titles. According to my friend this guy had 5 sealed copies of Panzer Dragoon Saga, around 10 sealed copies of Magic Knight Rayearth, and a bunch of other duplicates sealed Saturn games ranging from stuff like Virtua Fighter all the way up to your rare heavy hitters. My friend was freaking out thinking this guy was just wanting to unload all this stuff for cheap, but then when he went to talk how much the guy wanted, he essentially said none of it was for sale unless my friend wanted to pay pretty much double ebay for it. My friend asked the guy why he invited him over if he didn't really have any intention of selling it, and the guy literally told him he loves seeing the reaction on collector's faces when they see what he has. My friend left there with nothing, totally blue balled, and pretty annoyed. I've met several other collectors since who've seen this guys stuff, as late as a couple years ago and says he still does this shit. Think about that though; this random dude who just happened to be a hoarder at the right place at the right time has tons of never opened copies of these games that you rarely ever see anywhere. And no, he's not alone; I'm sure there are many other people that did this, as well as your run of the mill collector who has a fetish for Working Design or 5th Gen JRPGs and has several copies of these games. I know a few personally that do this. It really does jack the prices up on this stuff and it's beyond annoying. And for the record, I'm a gamer first and a collector second; every game I buy is bought with the intention of playing the game and seeing what it's like. In fact, I bought Panzer Dragoon Saga around this time last year, and immediately when it arrived in the mail I began playing it and beat it that same week. It's a slightly above average JRPG, but it's about half as good as most retro Final Fantasy games I've played, and is certainly not good enough to be held in the same conversation as the greatest JRPGs of all time. But I'd be surprised if even half the people that currently own it have actually played it. --- End quote --- adds asking to buy retro games do get allot of troll offers though that guy in your example just went overboard. than again though in those odd cases it can work so I can't blame people for trying. also the balls to invite people over to just show stuff off what if one of those guys was a criminal who would steal stuff afterwards that guy really must have got a some big balls. that guy ain't a hoarder though, maybe some people did actually buy some stuff from him at double the price because they can see it with their own eyes Also he probably is hoping for prices to skyrocket that is why he keeps the stuff around, opened stuff will not skyrocket but sealed is in another ball park that might happen different lvl of collectors with retro stuff at least and saturn definitely fits that category. Those people exist I've seen a few of em over here in europe aswell having 10+ copies of ultra rare nes or snes games and all other retro console. there are definitely some that are hidden to this day but there aren't many of them probably a a few dozen tops really maybe as few as only 10 hard to tell really. some did pop up to make a buck with pictures of them showing that they have stacks of those rare games promotional materials etc etc. probably a store manages aswell back in the day. still though being a store manages and being one of the few that actually had that as an idea to sell the games later on for sure some hidden stuff but it's not as much as one might expect. also titles like panzer dragoon saga they are so pricy that most of the actual playerbase will never buy that game. your mostly left with collectors who do spend the big $ I have had panzer dragoon saga for years and havent played it yet only a little but I'm not the biggest rpg nut plus I never really appreciated having this game since I got it since I never planned of ever adding this game to the collection I didnt care about it and it was never high on my list to play compared to other stuff as a result so that doesnt really help in my case the regular panzer dragoon series though that's more like my cup of tea. not to mention that a pretty common game that I got at a comparable time literally didnt make me look back at panzer dragoon saga so yea it was forgotten pretty fast. |
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