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| telly:
--- Quote ---There is universal objective markers of good game design. --- End quote --- I mean, name one "objective marker" for me. Fluid controls? Responsive controls? Well crafted story? Who decides those things are fluid or responsive or well crafted? What game has an aspect of it that is universally loved by everyone? There is no such thing. What is fluid for one is clunky for another. What is well crafted for one is boring for another. That is the definition of subjective. I can concede that we can reach a broad consensus about what a good game consists of theoretically, that might be "objective". But we have different ideas about how to get there when actually looking at individual games, which makes it not a very useful claim in my opinion. --- Quote ---Yes, and this isn't an argument either? Talking as if you figured out what people have been debating for millenniums in about 5 minutes? What am I suppose to tell you? --- End quote --- Just because people don't agree with me dosen't mean that I'm right, or they're wrong. It has no bearing. That's why it's not an argument. But pointing out flaws in logic is an argument. And I ever said I had the answers to everything btw |
| oldgamerz:
Back on topic I forgot to mention (in my own opinion) I think that The Sims Series 1-3 on PC has the best music, gameplay but not the greatest story. What makes this question so complicated is the fact that there is so many video games out there to choose from. and we all love multiple video games otherwise we would not be blogging about them. 2nd is already mentioned it is a matter of opinion and I already know for a fact their are people who both love and there are others who currently can't stand The Sims Series 1-3 on PC, Metal Jesus Rocks/Jason on YouTube Being one, who cannot stand the sims series. I know because I actually talked to this YouTuber in a private forum before. but that was years ago. 3rd is that opinions also change over time, art is in the eye of the beholder (not my own quote) |
| Warmsignal:
Action 52 is a well documented case of exceptionally poor game programming and marketing by a small company that was in over it's head with grandiose ideas. Still, there are people who love punishing themselves with jank. Maybe Action 52 is the greatest game of all time then? If the greatest game of all time is defined as one that is the opposite of janky, then we first must agree on what that entails. It's kind of difficult, because games don't all require the same control schemes. How do we decide which controls are ideal for an 8-bit racing game? What about a stealth/action game? What's the ideal jump button? A, B, or up on the directional pad? How do we really know which one is the best for all players? Does length of the player's finger play a role in ease of control? Should they use the NES Max instead? Etc, etc. |
| telly:
That's what I got caught up with. I couldn't even determine what genre an objectively good game might look like. Not everyone likes platformers or FPSs or RPGs, etc. |
| stealthrush:
Storyline: Grandia Xenogears Valkyrie Profile Music: Ys Book I and II Ys III: Wanderers from Ys Tengai Makyō II: Manji Maru Artistic Merit: Panzer Dragoon Nights into Dreams... Kirby's Dream Land 3 Gameplay: Gradius Puyo Puyo Bomberman |
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