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| Your Thoughts On Modding And Pirated Software |
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| Cartagia:
Because there is only a limited supply of all of those old games - and that can make them expensive. ROMs are really the only way a lot of people have to play a large swath of those titles. |
| bikingjahuty:
--- Quote from: marvelvscapcom2 on November 29, 2021, 11:52:02 pm --- --- Quote from: bikingjahuty on November 29, 2021, 10:31:41 pm ---I have zero issues with either. As someone who does a lot of console modding I feel like mods help enhance and preserve consoles beyond what they were originally designed to do. For example, one of my favorite mods to both install and use are ODE mods which replace a console's disc drive in place of an SD card where you can load games. Not only does this replace disc drives which are failing more and more over time, but also helps games load faster than a laser seeking data off a disc. It also bypasses the disc rot boogey man that many collectors fear and dread. And the best part is that none of it is emulation; you are playing the game on original hardware, you're just tricky the console into playing the game off a SD card rather than a disc drive. There are so many other great mods out there like HDMI mods, RGB amps, high def screen mods for handhelds, region free mods, and countless others that really enhance and expand people's ability to enjoy their consoles in the modern age. If it allows these consoles to be more accessible and enjoyable I'm all for it! I'm also heavily into the preservation end of things and love taking a non-working or barely working console, deep cleaning the board, recapping it, and retrobriting the shell and watching it look and work just as good as the day it was bought brand new from the store. I've brought back dozens of consoles from death and all have found new homes where people are enjoying and loving them now. I know this falls more into the repair/restoration realm than modding, but sometimes mods are a part of these restorations to make these consoles even more enjoyable for people to play. As for pirating older games I also have no issue with this. Most video games, both back in the day and now made 90% of all the money they were ever going to make within the first year they were released. This applies to official rereleases to these games as well. On top of that, there are thousands of games that will never ever see another release for the rest of time meaning that no money will ever be made from them again no matter what. So what's the harm in pirating them? It's not hurting the original developers or publishers that had their pay day sometimes decades ago when the game first came out, and also it's not harming the current rights owner who is just sitting on the IP either as part of their investment portfolio or to sell it someday for more than what they paid. It's a victimless crime as this point when it comes to older games and I don't bat an eye when someone says they downloaded the entire Dreamcast or NES library from a torrent site. --- End quote --- I might sound ignorant but why would someone do this over just playing the old games on PC with the same SD trick or even emulation? I thought the point of phyiscal on original hardware was to keep it as original as possible? I don't mod or have never heard of these tricks so I am just curious. Is it solely having the hardware present and functional that matters over the actual feel of playing off disc? Thanks for any clearing up :) --- End quote --- In a console the only purpose of a disc drive is to read the data on the disc, send it to the CPU and from there the combinations of ram, gpus, and various other chips is what translates that data to what you see on your TV. Essentially the disc drive is only there as a messenger to read whats on the disc and send it to the rest of the console. The same is true of ODE mods that replace the disc drive for an SD card reader; the SD card reader is doing the exact same thing as the disc drive except its reading the data from an SD card rather than a CD. The SD card, the SD card reader, and the rest of the ODE mod have nothing to do with processing of the games data, that's all handled exactly the same way by the console's hardware as it would when having data read from a disc. This translates into your gaming experience being exactly the same if not better due to the the faster read speed of the SD card, which means faster loading times. Assuming the ISO rip of the original game data is good and uncorrupted it should play, look, and sound identical to what you'd be playing if you were using an original disc drive and disc. Emulation on the other hand is attempting to clone the original hardware of a console all in software. Especially with older consoles, emulation has come a long, long way and in most cases plays, looks, and sounds virtually identical to playing the game on original hardware. However, no matter how good the emulation is, it'll never be 100% accurate since its approximating the hardware in software to play on a PC. I'd say consoles like the SNES, Genesis, or TG16 are 99.7% the same as original hardware at this point, console like the Dreamcast, PS2, or Gamecube, vary between 90% and 98% depending on the emulator and game. However, modding a console with an ODE is 100% accurate since the game is still running off original hardware, unless of course you want to argue that the faster loading times create an inaccurate experience. Sorry for the long winded explanation, but that is the difference between the two and why many opt for modding a console rather than just firing up their PC. At least for me I feel way more motivated to play games on the original hardware hooked up to my TV rather than on a PC with a USB controller. It really captures the experience of playing old games on a console even though they're being read off an SD card that also contains every PS1 or Saturn game ever made. You'll have no idea though once you're actually playing a game :) |
| Warmsignal:
I've got some conflicted feelings on it. I won't lie, it does kind of irritate me to think that people do modding and hacking of current gen game consoles, in order to essentially get everything free instead of paying for their games. That's scummy, you should just support the entertainment you consume. Don't be a leech. If you can't afford it, fix your life, or find something else to do that you can afford. It also kind of irritates me that people have already made Nintendo Switch emulators, while it's still a console that's on the market. You have sites like Polygon touting the PC emulated version of Metroid Dread the day it comes out. If you're gonna do that, you should own the damn hardware, and the game first. Again, don't be a leech; support the things you enjoy instead of stealing them. As for legacy hardware and off-market software, I don't really care what people do with their own stuff. I personally don't own any sort of ROM flash card for any of my consoles. I feel like it kind of defeats the point of my past decade long saga in collecting physical games. I own thousands of games, I don't need even more at my disposal. I don't find pulling a game off of my shelf and putting into a console to be too terrible inconvenient of a task, that I would need redundant ROMs of games which I already own put onto an SD card. Not saying I won't ever own or use one, but currently I've just no interest in it. I've got loads of physical copy games to play; and those which I can no longer afford to buy, don't really matter a whole lot to me in the grand scheme. I'm not convinced that just because it's super expensive and has hype surrounding it, that I must experience that game. I'm pretty well set. If others wanna go that route, it's fine by me. It's just not my thing. I could only see myself bothering to play ROMs, if it were for a console I'd never collected for and wanted to mess around with, such as the TG-16 or something, which I have no interest in collecting for and currently own nothing for. Although I've contemplated just buying the SNK endorsed emulation box they put out a few years ago. |
| sworddude:
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on November 30, 2021, 01:19:01 pm --- As for legacy hardware and off-market software, I don't really care what people do with their own stuff. I personally don't own any sort of ROM flash card for any of my consoles. I feel like it kind of defeats the point of my past decade long saga in collecting physical games. I own thousands of games, I don't need even more at my disposal. I don't find pulling a game off of my shelf and putting into a console to be too terrible inconvenient of a task, that I would need redundant ROMs of games which I already own put onto an SD card. Not saying I won't ever own or use one, I'm pretty well set. --- End quote --- Totally agree with you there, seen quite some people do it that way I get games that ones would never own or fan translations etc but games that one already has , kinda pointless to collect physical at that point than. but that's all subjective opinions exist regarding this matter. |
| justin8301:
I'm pretty much on the same page as most of you. As far as modding hardware I can dig it; especially things like screen or hdmi output mods. Trying to get the best possible picture quality out of original hardware has been a bit of a personal crusade of mine recently. When it comes to roms, my view is if i can get the game legitimately on a current gen console, i will absolutely do that first; but if the game is no longer being sold in some way, and I have to resort to paying ebay prices I'll just load it up on my retropie.. |
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