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dhaabi:

--- Quote from: puddingm on January 09, 2024, 05:26:52 am ---
--- Quote ---Traditionally, and with good reason, the budget for any Secret Santa event is encouraged to be adhered to, as it ensures every participant is both receiving and giving items of near equal value which prevents participants from feeling like their gift to give was worth more than the gift they received
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The above was my understanding, it's a minimum and a guide. People can exceed that budget if they choose to but not to the extent where we need to use the word "excessively" exceeding = no hard feelings from anyone.

In my view, there is a difference between exceeding the budget 'within a reasonable range' vs exceeding the budget 'excessively'. Hope it makes sense ::)
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For gift-exchanging events like these, there is sometimes allowance for the budget to be exceed upon to a minor degree. However, not all events abide to that outlook while instead strictly enforcing the limit. The feedback form certainly could have been re-worded to define "excessively," as the term is obviously up for interpretation. For instance, some may consider totals more than 10% or higher to be excessive, while some consider it to be 20% or higher. Of course, that is something we as a group could define together.

To better put things in perspective to this question: in recent past years, the budget has been set at $60 USD. However, some Santas have willingly spent more than double than that budget, even before shipping costs. While some may think, wow, how thoughtful!, others will also think, gee, why didn't my Santa spend that much on me? or if the budget was $XX, why did that person spend so much? Should I have too?

NickAwesome:
The only expectation any recipient should have is that you are guaranteed to receive at least $60 worth of videogames or videogame related items before shipping that is not a duplicate of anything you own on your vgcollect profile, is in the region you prefer, and is on your wishlist if that is what you express to the organizer. 

If a Secret Santa wants to exceed the $60 threshold- they should be free to do so- but the expectation should not be that everyone has to do so- otherwise what's the point of even having a minimum. 

ignition365:
Yeah, the excessively part can make it easy to misinterpret.  Some folks might genuinely feel stick to it, and some might feel it's no pressure to stick to it, but don't send a thousand dollars worth of stuff.

I'm not your mom do what you want, but sending out a thousand dollars worth of stuff, no matter how generous the thought might be, might make the receiver feel guilty for only doing or staying near the limit and it can make the other gifters feel similarly.  I don't think this has really been a problem before on the high end, but it's worth noting that might be the interpretation of excessively.

I will say I have seen in previous years folks not sticking to it as a minimum though.

sworddude:

--- Quote from: dhaabi on January 09, 2024, 09:58:16 am ---
--- Quote from: puddingm on January 09, 2024, 05:26:52 am ---
--- Quote ---Traditionally, and with good reason, the budget for any Secret Santa event is encouraged to be adhered to, as it ensures every participant is both receiving and giving items of near equal value which prevents participants from feeling like their gift to give was worth more than the gift they received
--- End quote ---

The above was my understanding, it's a minimum and a guide. People can exceed that budget if they choose to but not to the extent where we need to use the word "excessively" exceeding = no hard feelings from anyone.

In my view, there is a difference between exceeding the budget 'within a reasonable range' vs exceeding the budget 'excessively'. Hope it makes sense ::)
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For instance, some may consider totals more than 10% or higher to be excessive, while some consider it to be 20% or higher. Of course, that is something we as a group could define together.
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10% is only 6$ though. you gotto try hard on average to spot that difference I feel even with 20% tbh which is 10ish$. I assume this is not the issue cause ye gotto try hard to spot a difference in this case. it's within the 60$ ball park in that scenario.

The bigger difference might be how people value that 60$ limit. is it their actual costs (excluding shipping) or the average market value.

2nd hand prices aren't that stable. Perhaps someone only has acces to retro stores or ebay and got stuff at a subpar price, while somebody else got stuff at a really sharp price great acces to games, or sniped a great ebay auction while not exceeding the budget to much or at all in which the average market value might be higher but their cost basis is within that 60$ ball park.

even with new stuff deal hunting, clearances black friday etc the price differences will be notable compared to buying it as usual.

Differences will always exist I feel. it depends on the person how they look at that 60$ limit aside from especially older stuff varying in price big time.

puddingm:

--- Quote ---10% is only 6$ though. you gotto try hard on average to spot that difference I feel even with 20% tbh which is 10ish$. I assume this is not the issue cause ye gotto try hard to spot a difference in this case. it's within the 60$ ball park in that scenario.
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Yeah - %s probably not the best reference (visually on its own makes it 'look excessive' but not in reality by $ :P) to be used for that 'range/excessive'.

i.e. If the budget is $60 and someone spends say $80-100 - the majority will probably see that as being a 'reasonable range' (once again views can differ).
However, if someone spends say $560 instead - then that's probably something different.

Regardless, hence why I mentioned originally that people can interpret/read the question and/or choices differently.

Where for example, I agree with the question statement on its own but then at the same am not sure what we are referring to when we say exceeding "excessively" when I was selecting the choices.
My interpretation of exceeding excessively was going way over the value to sort of degree where it just doesn't seem to be sensible - which ends up putting me in the "I agree and I do not agree" basket where at the end of the day I have to select one of the choices which neither really fully fits :-\. This could also lead to one of the reasons for the discrepancies in this question.

Maybe I was just overthinking ;D.

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