Let's Name the Top 100 Sega Dreamcast Game Together!

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burningdoom:

--- Quote from: sin2beta on February 26, 2013, 05:07:46 pm ---
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--- Quote from: psydswipe on February 26, 2013, 10:50:09 am ---Are you guys running out of games? I'd say the list has at least a few weak games and a number of average games but we clearly all enjoy different types of games. I can probably add a few sequels to games already on the list, and there are other decent games that I might suggest simply because we're going to 100. I never did get too far in Metropolis Street Racer but I think it's a good game. There is one game I'm surprised hasn't made it to the list yet. I didn't play enough of it to suggest it, I just thought it was popular. Not saying what it is so that I don't influence someone's pick.

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Personally I think 100 games is overkill for a system that lasted less than two years. That's over 40% of the domestic library. I think 50 would have been more appropriate. However, I still have a few since imports are open. But "best" kind of loses its meaning when half the games are listed as the "best". Technically, this would be "above average". So, mathematically, this is the 100 above average Dreamcast games.
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But the difference with the Dreamcast vs. other short-lived consoles is that the Dreamcast had lots of support from both Sega and third-parties. It had a large library. And many companies continued to make games even after Sega had pulled the plug. Dreamcast has a VERY large library in comparison to other consoles of the same lifetime.

We're over 70 now, and we seem to be listing good games just fine. I don't see crap filling this list.

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The list of Dreamcast games is right around 250. Depending on how you count, there are between 241 and a little over 250 (comes from lordnikon from onlineconsoles, although I have never seen his list). This is a small library. It's a good library. But small for a top 100. This is the type of list that will list a lot of sequels. Sometimes it is appropriate. But when you have every Tony Hawk, every Resident Evil, every Capcom game, etc, there is not much room for the fun controversy of what games should have made the list. Now dipping into imports brings us to 361 titles. This was frowned upon in the other lists, but I feel is the right thing to do for this list.

I do agree that there is not a lot of junk. So far the list looks solid.
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According to Wikipedia, it had 720 games released for it. Yeah, it's not the PS2 or the Atari 2600 as far as game quantity. But considering the it was only 2 years and got that many games, is amazing. And we're not talking about other "lesser" systems like 3DO, CD-i, or Atari Jaguar here, which really did have miniscule game libraries.

1. Resident Evil: Code Veronica
2. Soul Calibur
3. Crazy Taxi
4. Shenmue
5. Power Stone 2
6. Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
7. Giga Wing 2
8. Jet Grind Radio
9. House of the Dead 2
10. Skies of Arcadia
11. Capcom Vs SNK
12. Maken X
13. Seaman
14. Under Defeat
15. Silent Scope
16. Phantasy Star Online
17. Marvel Vs. Capcom 2
18. Hydro Thunder
19. Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of the Super Heroes
20. Mars Matrix
21. Elemental Gimmick Gear
22. Border Down
23. Draconus: Cult of the Wyrm
24. Sega Bass Fishing
25. Resident Evil 2
26. Gunbird 2
27. Virtua Tennis
28. Spider-Man
29. Chu Chu Rocket
30. KISS Psycho Circus
31. Grandia II
32. Unreal Tournament
33. Dead or Alive 2
34. Resident Evil 3: Nemesis
35. Space Channel 5
36. Quake III: Arena
37. Cannon Spike
38. Toy Commander
39. Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
40. 18 Wheeler American Pro Trucker
41. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
42. Carrier
43. Ooga Booga
44. Sonic Adventure 2
45. Sega Smash Pack Vol. 1
46. Street Fighter Alpha 3
47. Dino Crisis
48. Tech Romancer
49. NFL 2K
50. Sakura Taisen 3
51. Project Justice
52. Giga Wing
53. Zero Gunner 2
54. Rayman 2
55. Worms Armageddon
56. Sonic Adventure
57. Illbleed
58. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
59. The Last Blade 2
60. Record of Lodoss War
61. Crazy Taxi 2
62. Sword of Berserk: Guts' Rage
63. Samba de Amigo
64. Dynamite Cop
65. NBA 2K
66. Zombie Revenge
67. Sega Rally 2
68. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
69. Metropolis Street Racer
70. Mr. Driller
71. Daytona USA
72. Shenmue 2

73. Virtua Cop 2

soera:
Wow 720 games? That has to include all regions. I cant see it having the same NTSC library size as the NES.

sin2beta:

--- Quote from: soera on February 26, 2013, 08:26:08 pm ---Wow 720 games? That has to include all regions. I cant see it having the same NTSC library size as the NES.

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The 720 is a horrible number. That includes all releases (kind of... it's horribly inconsistent), rather variant, region, special edition, or even web browser versions. There is a good topic on it here. http://dreamcast.onlineconsoles.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7855&sid=dd0892c6c720189f7c11c2752dcda55a

NTSC-U is looking at ~250 games. Not 720.

Here is an official from sega list of NTSC-U games
http://www.digitpress.com/lists/sega_dreamcast_games.pdf

EDIT: Here is a Cliffs Notes version of the topic on number of games.

--- Quote ---Do not trust Wikipedia. The information there is unsourced and usually incorrect.

The North American Dreamcast release list is a little over 250 games, not including variants (Midway HOT NEW covers, Sega Allstars, etc).

Now, just at a glance, what is this list supposed to cover? All unique releases? or all releases including variants and limited editions? This list is missing tons of limited edition japanese releases. So it either needs to add all of the Limited Editions and Variants, or remove titles like Sonic Adventure Limited Edition, and Sonic Adventure 2 Birthday Pack. Also, What's Shenmue is not an actual game release. It doesn't have a game catalog serial number. It has another type of catalog number that is comprised of single digits and no letters. What's Shenmue is actually considered a promo item; more along the lines of a Demo disc than an actual game release. It would go in a completly different listing. Also, notice that US Shenmue listed as a seperate entry than Shenmue, which in reality is the same exact game.

I could go on nitpicking all of the contradicting information in Wikipedia, but I think you get my point. The list on Wikipedia is not 100% correct. It is incomplete and has errors.
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burningdoom:
Wherever the number may land between 250 and 720, it's still plenty enough to do 100 good games and a whole lot more than other consoles with a comparable lifespan.

sin2beta:

--- Quote from: burningdoom on February 26, 2013, 10:08:45 pm ---Wherever the number may land between 250 and 720, it's still plenty enough to do 100 good games and a whole lot more than other consoles with a comparable lifespan.

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Agreed. Don't get me wrong. I love the dreamcast. I came in with the machismo of saying this list should be 200 long. The Dreamcast is the only system I am planning on pursuing a complete set of. But the top 100 will be a bit of overkill and have some good games. The SNES list for instance was pretty much all gems. That's my only point with the numbers.

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