Author Topic: Listing Errors 2016  (Read 50612 times)

tripredacus

Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #240 on: May 30, 2016, 10:49:52 am »
Hello, I'm new to the site. I update my collection and try to add as many informations as possible for each game so I edit a lot and I create some new entries too. One edit I've made has been rejected cos "Information Already on File" but it was not.

It is the first Grandia II Dreamcast (EU) that was on the site. It was empty so I added all the informations for the [UK] version including pictures, as I supposed it was the 'main' version for most people here before but the name edit has been rejected : http://vgcollect.com/item/46736

Those are the different versions I created btw : http://vgcollect.com/item/105261 (Grandia II [DE]) & http://vgcollect.com/item/105262 (Grandia II [FR])

Can people/admins tell me if it's fine to leave it that way without the [UK] in the name ? (cos it now has the uk number and barcode I added)

PS : I wasn't sure if I had to post this here or in the 'duplicate' thread

I rejected your edit to add [UK] to the title. For an EU category, a game's English release will not have a [UK] in the title unless there is an English EU version that exists also.

Also, I did reject 1 artwork change, as you have been putting spines in the back artwork image. The others that were permitted were due to no back artwork being on the entry already. In the future, make sure to upload back images without the spine if possible.

tripredacus

Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #241 on: May 30, 2016, 11:02:14 am »
There were two versions of Ico that had the "PlayStation the Best release" in Japan. I didn't know how to distinguish the two so I tried to make one as "Gray Border" and one as "White Border". Let me know if I did that wrong; since the Gray border is considered a reprint, I could have designated the two entries that way instead.

Gray (Has yet to be accepted/denied for edits) http://vgcollect.com/item/85323
Image from GameFaqs - http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/367472-ico/images/156331

White (the entry I just made) http://vgcollect.com/item/105323

EDIT: I resubmitted the edit because I spelt Gray wrong the first time. And sorry for all the edits, admins, I probably submitted too many at a time  :-[

1. Gray Border is often called online as "Reprint" as can be seen here:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/367472-ico/data
The origin of this term, I cannot say. It is possible that it came from Gamefaqs themselves. Either way, for the gray border, you could put in "Ico - The Best reprint" in the alt-name field. Both game versions (per that list) have different release dates, barcodes and item numbers.

2. The release dates match up with this logo entry, where the blue backed logo was earlier and the coin logo was later:
http://logos.wikia.com/wiki/PlayStation_the_Best

telly

Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #242 on: May 30, 2016, 03:28:06 pm »
Also the CERO rating is only on the Gray bordered release which makes sense if it came out later. Thanks for the clarification! :) I think I will resubmit the names of the items so they read as:

"Ico - PlayStation 2 the Best Reprint" for the gray border
http://vgcollect.com/item/85323

and simply

"Ico - PlayStation 2 the Best" for the white border
http://vgcollect.com/item/105323

And I'll keep that in mind for other games that are like this in the database
« Last Edit: May 30, 2016, 03:30:23 pm by telly »
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Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #243 on: May 31, 2016, 09:43:38 am »
And I'll keep that in mind for other games that are like this in the database

Make sure to only use "reprint" on instances where both releases exist.

telly

Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #244 on: June 01, 2016, 12:25:26 pm »
And I'll keep that in mind for other games that are like this in the database

Make sure to only use "reprint" on instances where both releases exist.

Yep, I've been doing it that way. :)
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Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #245 on: June 02, 2016, 12:56:15 pm »
I rejected your edit to add [UK] to the title. For an EU category, a game's English release will not have a [UK] in the title unless there is an English EU version that exists also.

Also, I did reject 1 artwork change, as you have been putting spines in the back artwork image. The others that were permitted were due to no back artwork being on the entry already. In the future, make sure to upload back images without the spine if possible.

I saw your reply yesterday, thank you for explaining to me. I'll remember that.

I have one more question cos I tried to update 2 front covers that got rejected :

Toh Shin Den S http://vgcollect.com/item/42171 the cover has a spine card so I wanted to edit with a 798x798 .jpg scan 266ko (without spine)
Virtua Fighter Kids http://vgcollect.com/item/19253 the cover is the whole jewel case, I thought it would be better with a 1396x1396 .jpg 880ko scan (without spine again)
« Last Edit: June 02, 2016, 01:27:50 pm by tripredacus »

tripredacus

Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #246 on: June 02, 2016, 01:26:42 pm »
I saw your reply yesterday, thank you for explaining to me. I'll remember that.

I have one more question cos I tried to update 2 front covers that got rejected :

Toh Shin Den S http://vgcollect.com/item/42171 the cover has a spine card so I wanted to edit with a 798x798 .jpg scan 266ko (without spine)
Virtua Fighter Kids http://vgcollect.com/item/19253 the cover is the whole jewel case, I thought it would be better with a 1396x1396 .jpg 880ko scan (without spine again)

Those two are a case, a judgement call. Some times it would be accepted, sometimes not. Here is the reason.

First, the image size you pick gets shrunk by the website. So 200x200 is the maximum size. Admins can compare the 2 images (old and new) in the small size and if there is little or no difference, it can be rejected. Sometimes people will try to put in new image that is just bigger and is exactly the same afterwards. So the original file size doesn't matter in the end.

In the 2 examples posted Toshinden S the image you chose to upload show less of the front than the existing ones. It is fine to have a photo with the spine card showing. This is part of the original package and should be in the image we use.

Virtua Fighter Kids front includes the spine part of the jewel case. You can see that it is clear and it says the game name in there. It is important for this to be visible in the front image. The same is true for US Dreamcast games, where 2 different versions cannot be determined by the manual, but what the jewel case edge has on it. Full front image is better to keep in this case of Virtua Fighter Kids rather than just what the manual/jewel case insert looks like.

Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #247 on: June 02, 2016, 03:50:37 pm »
Those two are a case, a judgement call. Some times it would be accepted, sometimes not. Here is the reason.

First, the image size you pick gets shrunk by the website. So 200x200 is the maximum size. Admins can compare the 2 images (old and new) in the small size and if there is little or no difference, it can be rejected. Sometimes people will try to put in new image that is just bigger and is exactly the same afterwards. So the original file size doesn't matter in the end.

In the 2 examples posted Toshinden S the image you chose to upload show less of the front than the existing ones. It is fine to have a photo with the spine card showing. This is part of the original package and should be in the image we use.

Virtua Fighter Kids front includes the spine part of the jewel case. You can see that it is clear and it says the game name in there. It is important for this to be visible in the front image. The same is true for US Dreamcast games, where 2 different versions cannot be determined by the manual, but what the jewel case edge has on it. Full front image is better to keep in this case of Virtua Fighter Kids rather than just what the manual/jewel case insert looks like.

Thank you for taking the time again, I appreciate. As you previously told me in this thread about the back cover to upload without spine card, i wrongly assumed that was also the case for front covers. I get it.

But it also depends if the jewel case is "clear" or not then ? I don't want to annoy you and other admins with future unecessary image edits so I prefer to make it clear.

I did test everything at 200x200 with Virtua Fighter Kids & Toh Shin Den S and that's what we get. So you actually prefer to display the covers in that order, right ?

#1 > #2 > #3

...but Toh Shin Den S doesn't have a "clear" jewel case with text or information so the spine of the case isn't interesting, right ?

#1 > #2 > #3

Sorry, I know I can be a nerd sometimes !

tripredacus

Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #248 on: June 02, 2016, 07:05:11 pm »
Spine cards are usually quite important for those who collect Japanese CDs (not just games, but music CDs are this way too) so yes the Spine card should be there if we can get it. But it is also understandable that sometimes we cannot find a good picture of a game with the spine card in, or we may have games without them (I know I certainly do).

I would say the appropriate image types would go in this priority:
1. Image of front including spine card. This is how a sealed game would look.
2. Image of front including full jewel case if the plastic jewel case inlay is *not* plain black plastic (or the standard release container)
3. Image of the front insert/manual

The above is true for most game releases including things like PS2, Nintendo 3DS or whatever. We would want a full front shot for PS2 games that did not come in the black case (blue EU releases, red Greatest Hits, etc), Nintendo 3DS had some games that came in a red case, etc. Or Dreamcast games that were released under the All-Stars imprint where the manuals are the same as the normal release.

Now for identification purposes, many people are not aware there are different versions of a game, or a person may think we have the wrong picture if they do not have or know what the spine card is for. It may be worth noting on the Virtua Fighter Kids item Description field that the jewel case has a clear inlay and it says Virtua Fighter Kids in the insert which is viewable on the front edge. Toshinden S has the black inlay, which is common and doesn't need to be noted.

Regarding the back cover image, the pictures you have been uploading are what the back cover were to look like if it was removed from the jewel case and flattened. It shows the edge parts. This is fine for an entry where no picture exists, but if one already exists (and is correct) it should not be replaced with one showing the edges. I said "spine" to mean the portions of the physical back cover that appears on the spines of the jewel case, not the spine-card itself.

PS: for anyone reading these posts and wonder about a spine card. In Japan, a piece of printed paper is put onto the edges of a CD sold at retail containing the product name, sometimes the price and usually the barcode. This is why you find a lot of Japanese CD games not having a barcode on the back, because it would have been on the spine-card. For collector's purposes, the spine may or may not have been glued onto the jewel case at manufacture, so if a new item is removed from shrink-wrap, the spine card may also fall away. It is easy to be damaged or lost, which is why you will find CD releases with a spine card to often be sold or worth more than ones without. Spine-cards were also used on some Japanese LaserDiscs and perhaps other media types as well.

Flashback2012

Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #249 on: June 03, 2016, 12:46:14 am »
I dunno if these really count as Listing Errors but

http://vgcollect.com/helmut822016/magazine

The punctuation fluctuation makes my OCD go ballistic.  :o

tripredacus

Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #250 on: June 03, 2016, 09:45:40 am »
I dunno if these really count as Listing Errors but

http://vgcollect.com/helmut822016/magazine

The punctuation fluctuation makes my OCD go ballistic.  :o

Many types of items have no current title standardization. It is not a listing error per-se. Someone will eventually have to take the time to go through and fix all those titles up for magazines.

Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #251 on: June 05, 2016, 05:09:47 am »
Spine cards are usually quite important for those who collect Japanese CDs (not just games, but music CDs are this way too) so yes the Spine card should be there if we can get it. But it is also understandable that sometimes we cannot find a good picture of a game with the spine card in, or we may have games without them (I know I certainly do).

I would say the appropriate image types would go in this priority:
1. Image of front including spine card. This is how a sealed game would look.
2. Image of front including full jewel case if the plastic jewel case inlay is *not* plain black plastic (or the standard release container)
3. Image of the front insert/manual

The above is true for most game releases including things like PS2, Nintendo 3DS or whatever. We would want a full front shot for PS2 games that did not come in the black case (blue EU releases, red Greatest Hits, etc), Nintendo 3DS had some games that came in a red case, etc. Or Dreamcast games that were released under the All-Stars imprint where the manuals are the same as the normal release.

Now for identification purposes, many people are not aware there are different versions of a game, or a person may think we have the wrong picture if they do not have or know what the spine card is for. It may be worth noting on the Virtua Fighter Kids item Description field that the jewel case has a clear inlay and it says Virtua Fighter Kids in the insert which is viewable on the front edge. Toshinden S has the black inlay, which is common and doesn't need to be noted.

Regarding the back cover image, the pictures you have been uploading are what the back cover were to look like if it was removed from the jewel case and flattened. It shows the edge parts. This is fine for an entry where no picture exists, but if one already exists (and is correct) it should not be replaced with one showing the edges. I said "spine" to mean the portions of the physical back cover that appears on the spines of the jewel case, not the spine-card itself.

PS: for anyone reading these posts and wonder about a spine card. In Japan, a piece of printed paper is put onto the edges of a CD sold at retail containing the product name, sometimes the price and usually the barcode. This is why you find a lot of Japanese CD games not having a barcode on the back, because it would have been on the spine-card. For collector's purposes, the spine may or may not have been glued onto the jewel case at manufacture, so if a new item is removed from shrink-wrap, the spine card may also fall away. It is easy to be damaged or lost, which is why you will find CD releases with a spine card to often be sold or worth more than ones without. Spine-cards were also used on some Japanese LaserDiscs and perhaps other media types as well.

Thanks for the clarification

mrfoxhound

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Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #252 on: June 06, 2016, 06:05:33 pm »
I created a Yooka-Laylee listing (http://vgcollect.com/item/102887) as a PS4 [NA] physical copy and it was changed by karyann to a PSN version. The reason I listed it as a physical copy is because it is being published by Team17 who will most probably release physical copies according to these articles here:

1. http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/team17-will-publish-yooka-laylee-and-eyes-retail-release/0153431
2. http://nintendoeverything.com/yooka-laylee-is-getting-a-physical-release-being-published-by-team17/

The game is still under "Unreleased but official", so I don't think leaving it as PS4 [NA] is too farfetched.

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Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #253 on: June 07, 2016, 12:45:24 pm »
I created a Yooka-Laylee listing (http://vgcollect.com/item/102887) as a PS4 [NA] physical copy and it was changed by karyann to a PSN version. The reason I listed it as a physical copy is because it is being published by Team17 who will most probably release physical copies according to these articles here:

1. http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/team17-will-publish-yooka-laylee-and-eyes-retail-release/0153431
2. http://nintendoeverything.com/yooka-laylee-is-getting-a-physical-release-being-published-by-team17/

The game is still under "Unreleased but official", so I don't think leaving it as PS4 [NA] is too farfetched.

They seem to be a lot more on the Nope than on the Yup side, even according to those two articles. I changed the category since there wasn't a PSN listing anyway. Personally I think it's more trouble to create listings for unanounced things and then have to remember to delete them if they don't come true  ??? but if you really want to have one go ahead. Please just remember to ask for a deletion next year if there's no physical release!

mrfoxhound

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Re: Listing Errors 2016
« Reply #254 on: June 09, 2016, 02:16:29 am »
I created a Yooka-Laylee listing (http://vgcollect.com/item/102887) as a PS4 [NA] physical copy and it was changed by karyann to a PSN version. The reason I listed it as a physical copy is because it is being published by Team17 who will most probably release physical copies according to these articles here:

1. http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/team17-will-publish-yooka-laylee-and-eyes-retail-release/0153431
2. http://nintendoeverything.com/yooka-laylee-is-getting-a-physical-release-being-published-by-team17/

The game is still under "Unreleased but official", so I don't think leaving it as PS4 [NA] is too farfetched.

They seem to be a lot more on the Nope than on the Yup side, even according to those two articles. I changed the category since there wasn't a PSN listing anyway. Personally I think it's more trouble to create listings for unanounced things and then have to remember to delete them if they don't come true  ??? but if you really want to have one go ahead. Please just remember to ask for a deletion next year if there's no physical release!

I would have changed it or asked for it to be deleted if there was an absolute no to the physical copy thing as I meticulously add/edit/remove items from my wishlist to keep track of what I plan to buy and to make sure everything on my list has correct data. This doesn't sound like a strong no to me: “Playtonic took the decision not to include this in the Kickstarter for the very reason that it could impact on development and at the time of their Kickstarter it would have been a big risk. Team17 has lots of experience in physical and will share ideas and opportunities with Playtonic - so absolutely we will be looking into it.”

Now, I have to accept that my created page has been pretty much hijacked for a different platform and recreate an entirely new page for a physical copy? I also created/edited that PS4 Yooka-Laylee boxart image myself as a place holder and no longer have it on my computer. Would there even be a way to transfer the same boxart to the physical copy listing? Not cool.  :-\

The articles are based on some speculating and comment(s) from the publisher. I think that alone holds enough weight to warrant a page as an unreleased possibility just as people created pages for games that are rumored to be coming out and only have a possible ESRB rating created for it and no other information but that, and if that isn't how the "Unreleased but official" thing works than I've taken some liberties to keep track of things. At least that's what I've done a few times to keep track of games I'm interested in and it's been accepted. I did it with Batman: Return to Arkham (PS4) and that was announced just days after my entry, but someone created a new page with the correct name and mine was deleted before I could get on and edit the entry. I don't typically create pages unless I have a decent amount of sources that show it to be a likely possibility.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 02:45:18 am by mrfoxhound »

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