Denying correct database information

[mrfoxhound]

I've had this issue a couple times now and it looks like I have to submit information at certain times of day when a certain admin is on to approve correct information. There have been times when some of my stuff gets denied and it's correct information coming directly from my personal collection. Here are some examples:

1. I edited the Metal Gear Solid: The Legacy Collection item number from "BLUS 83009L" to "BLUS-83009L" as all entries are and it was denied.
2. I personally scanned the back of the box art for MGS: TLC and uploaded it to the database and it was denied.
3. I input the correct barcode from my personal copy of MGS: TLC (NTSC) and it was denied.
4. My description for Dragon Ball Z: Raging Blast 2 was denied - all I did was go into details about first print copies and second print copy differences and that was denied.
5. I edited the page I created of Dragon Ball Z: Raging Blast 2 to change the name to Dragon Ball Z: Raging Blast 2 (First print) because my personal copy and the details were for first print.
5. The item number for DBZ:RB2 was denied even though it came directly from my copy

EDIT: After doing some looking around it seems my DBZ:RB2 entry was deleted and replaced with another entry, I'll try uploaded the data there.

[desocietas]

I didn't work on any of those but just wanted to mention that we usually don't include variants for different printings unless there is a different artwork or if it's a launch bundle. If the first print includes something like a poster tucked into the case, I will just note that detail in the description field.

[telly]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we also allow different entries for physical variations of the media, no? (5 or 3 screw carts, yellow tabbed EA Genesis games, different disc colors, etc.)

[mrfoxhound]

I didn't work on any of those but just wanted to mention that we usually don't include variants for different printings unless there is a different artwork or if it's a launch bundle. If the first print includes something like a poster tucked into the case, I will just note that detail in the description field.

Well, in DBZ's case, first print has different music. Second print changed it due to a composer stealing music. I created a first print page for DBZ, so it'll have to be removed.

Now that the DBZ thing is settled, what's up with MGS?

[desocietas]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we also allow different entries for physical variations of the media, no? (5 or 3 screw carts, yellow tabbed EA Genesis games, different disc colors, etc.)

Correct usually if there's some sort of change to the cart/disc or other visual change, a variant is allowed. In regard to the music change, I'm not sure.

Only other thing I can think of is that if we're noting some sort of infringement in the description field, we want to make sure that it's worded in an objective way. Can say something like "First print copies include music later removed in later prints" or something like that, if it seems appropriate.

[mrfoxhound]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we also allow different entries for physical variations of the media, no? (5 or 3 screw carts, yellow tabbed EA Genesis games, different disc colors, etc.)

Correct usually if there's some sort of change to the cart/disc or other visual change, a variant is allowed. In regard to the music change, I'm not sure.

Only other thing I can think of is that if we're noting some sort of infringement in the description field, we want to make sure that it's worded in an objective way. Can say something like "First print copies include music later removed in later prints" or something like that, if it seems appropriate.

Yeah, I worded it as a scandal rather than flat out saying a composer stole the music. I'd like to hear why the MGS info was denied by whoever denied it. This would be easier if it said what staff approved or denied an entry with a reason other than a stock reason pointing you to the style guide.

[mrfoxhound]

Double post - remove this entry and just drop the original in my collection if the music thing could just be mentioned in the description: http://vgcollect.com/item/103216

[tripredacus]

I denied the Metal Gear edits because the info as presented in the database exists as an item. Your edits, if approved, would have changed that existing item into a different one. So the edits were rejected.

Metal Gear Solid Legacy Collection with artbook (in db) vs without artbook (what you tried to enter).

For the DB game (it is not titled DBZ), the one you did edits for was previously run through as a dupe. So the edits were rejected because they didn't apply to anything anymore. Now that the game is re-added, all if fine, although I do not like "first print" in the name. Is there no other physical difference on the case or disc to differentiate from the other version?

[mrfoxhound]

I denied the Metal Gear edits because the info as presented in the database exists as an item. Your edits, if approved, would have changed that existing item into a different one. So the edits were rejected.

Metal Gear Solid Legacy Collection with artbook (in db) vs without artbook (what you tried to enter).

For the DB game (it is not titled DBZ), the one you did edits for was previously run through as a dupe. So the edits were rejected because they didn't apply to anything anymore. Now that the game is re-added, all if fine, although I do not like "first print" in the name. Is there no other physical difference on the case or disc to differentiate from the other version?

I figured out the DBZ thing, that was my fault. I have the Metal Gear Solid Legacy Collection in my collection (without artbook, didn't even know a variant came with it), and I uploaded the back of the box art to that database. Not sure how that was wrong. I didn't upload any sort of artbook photo to an MGS Legacy Collection entry.

[karyann]

I've had this issue a couple times now and it looks like I have to submit information at certain times of day when a certain admin is on to approve correct information.

Sometimes, someone's intention behind an update isn't 100% clear. It's not your fault or the admin's. We currently don't have a field for users to input information about their intention, so unfortunately for now we have to talk about it on the forums like you did now. It's a feature that will eventually come, though.

[tripredacus]

I figured out the DBZ thing, that was my fault. I have the Metal Gear Solid Legacy Collection in my collection (without artbook, didn't even know a variant came with it), and I uploaded the back of the box art to that database. Not sure how that was wrong. I didn't upload any sort of artbook photo to an MGS Legacy Collection entry.

Artbook version and w/o have different part numbers and barcodes.

[mrfoxhound]

I figured out the DBZ thing, that was my fault. I have the Metal Gear Solid Legacy Collection in my collection (without artbook, didn't even know a variant came with it), and I uploaded the back of the box art to that database. Not sure how that was wrong. I didn't upload any sort of artbook photo to an MGS Legacy Collection entry.

Artbook version and w/o have different part numbers and barcodes.

I submitted all information from my "without artbook" copy to the entry that doesn't have the art book as well as the correct photos. Still not sure what was incorrect about it since I was editing the right entry with a game from my personal collection. Didn't get the info online.

[tripredacus]

This topic is moot now, because the original record has been changed!

The original record had barcode 083717202721, which indicated it was the version with artbook. Then mrfoxhound tried to change the barcode to 083717202950 which I rejected. It was rejected because 083717202721 was not wrong. In this situation, a user should not change an existing item to become a different one. They should instead leave that record be and create a new one. If anything, the original record should have its title and description changed to accurately reflect what it is.

So what has happened now is that 250 users may now have the wrong item in their collection because it was changed from one thing to another.

I have removed the back image and reverted the barcode back to 083717202721.
Item record: http://vgcollect.com/item/45466

[ignition365]

This topic is moot now, because the original record has been changed!

The original record had barcode 083717202721, which indicated it was the version with artbook. Then mrfoxhound tried to change the barcode to 083717202950 which I rejected. It was rejected because 083717202721 was not wrong. In this situation, a user should not change an existing item to become a different one. They should instead leave that record be and create a new one. If anything, the original record should have its title and description changed to accurately reflect what it is.

So what has happened now is that 250 users may now have the wrong item in their collection because it was changed from one thing to another.

I have removed the back image and reverted the barcode back to 083717202721.
Item record: http://vgcollect.com/item/45466

Woaaaaaaah

http://vgcollect.com/item/98087 <-- Launch edition
http://vgcollect.com/item/45466
http://vgcollect.com/item/103649

http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,6934.0.html

I just did a quick check, and I'll verify with my own copy as well.

It appears that there are multiple UPC for the Legacy collection.  If you check ebay there are at least 3 different UPC.  I have seen copies that don't include the artbook with the same UPC as the artbook, but that might not mean anything.

He listed 083717202950 which I've seen.  But I've also seen 083717202943.  And I've seen 083717202721 with launch material and without.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Metal-Gear-Solid-The-LEGACY-Collection-Game-PS3-10-Games-FREE-Fast-Ship-/171976213400?hash=item280a94c398:g:oQQAAOSwo6lWKKUL

http://mlm-s1-p.mlstatic.com/metal-gear-solid-the-legacy-collection-1987-2012-art-book-427801-MLM20410748796_092015-F.jpg  <-- this one is NFR

[mrfoxhound]

This topic is moot now, because the original record has been changed!

The original record had barcode 083717202721, which indicated it was the version with artbook. Then mrfoxhound tried to change the barcode to 083717202950 which I rejected. It was rejected because 083717202721 was not wrong. In this situation, a user should not change an existing item to become a different one. They should instead leave that record be and create a new one. If anything, the original record should have its title and description changed to accurately reflect what it is.

So what has happened now is that 250 users may now have the wrong item in their collection because it was changed from one thing to another.

I have removed the back image and reverted the barcode back to 083717202721.
Item record: http://vgcollect.com/item/45466

Woaaaaaaah

http://vgcollect.com/item/98087 <-- Launch edition
http://vgcollect.com/item/45466
http://vgcollect.com/item/103649

http://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,6934.0.html

I just did a quick check, and I'll verify with my own copy as well.

It appears that there are multiple UPC for the Legacy collection.  If you check ebay there are at least 3 different UPC.  I have seen copies that don't include the artbook with the same UPC as the artbook, but that might not mean anything.

He listed 083717202950 which I've seen.  But I've also seen 083717202943.  And I've seen 083717202721 with launch material and without.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Metal-Gear-Solid-The-LEGACY-Collection-Game-PS3-10-Games-FREE-Fast-Ship-/171976213400?hash=item280a94c398:g:oQQAAOSwo6lWKKUL

http://mlm-s1-p.mlstatic.com/metal-gear-solid-the-legacy-collection-1987-2012-art-book-427801-MLM20410748796_092015-F.jpg  <-- this one is NFR

I'm not stressing it anymore, I just created a new entry for it.