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| dreama1:
--- Quote from: dreama1 on May 19, 2016, 09:18:08 pm --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on May 19, 2016, 09:58:11 am --- --- Quote from: sworddude on May 19, 2016, 09:25:39 am --- --- Quote from: marvelvscapcom2 on May 18, 2016, 10:53:58 pm ---I think 360 and PS3 are in the purgatory that every previous gen console gets stuck in. It isn't nostalgic yet and it isn't new and flashy. Not enough time has passed to make us miss It but In 10 years it will be nostalgic and collectible and we will love it again. But right now its all about PS4 and One. Which are pretty much 360 and PS3 with better graphics in all honesty. And it doesn't help that One and PS4 are rereleasing a lot of the gems from last gen on the next gen consoles. It limits are reasons to go back. --- End quote --- What about the wii? Same period, same gen yet way more games that are actually memorable and definitely raising in price big time. PS3 And xbox 360 overall just inferior games of ps4 etc. Way less memorable unique games. Titles like the last of us or GTA will never be memorable on those inferior systems and games like journey or certain rpg's are already rising in value. Nothing will chance there aren't to many interesting titles out there anyway for these systems. Your logic does not make any sense I highly doubt we will see a grow in prices of xbox 360 and ps3 except for the few unique titles and special CE. If it actually was the case than it should have been the same as wii wich it is not. --- End quote --- I somewhat agree. The same way the Xbox and PS2 really aren't rising in value like GameCube, other than some niche games. Wii was my favorite, and I think it'll definitely be the tougher console to track down in the future by a lot, as will the Wii U. --- End quote --- I have to agree as well. The ps2 game market is rather stone cold at the moment to be fair compared to the gamecube in general, a part from the horror and jrpg games of course. I think that much is clear. Do you guys remember some months ago; some no name user on here with zero posts was trying to sell ps2 game discs that he had stored from blockbusters or something? Don't think he was able to sell a single one. I'm guessing they still cover his house. I think he would of done better for himself I he grabbed game cube discs instead. The reasons have already been stated as sworddude said. --- End quote --- |
| dreama1:
--- Quote from: gf78 on May 19, 2016, 05:26:57 pm --- --- Quote from: desocietas on May 19, 2016, 05:09:53 pm ---Well, to get back on-topic, sworddude finds last gen to be boring while gf78 does not. Cool beans; good talk, folks :) --- End quote --- Yeah. I think it's over --- End quote --- I checked your games gf78, you seem heavily invested in the ps2 and ps3, and nothing else really to be fair. Not trying to be mean or anything but I think you were projecting on him a little calling him a fanboy, and bias, and whatever else. His collection seems well balanced. It's not focused on playstation only. Just saying before you throw blows at anyone and cry fanboy on someone. You should consider you own exposition. I think you bet on the wrong horse by any leap of the imagination if you gambled everything on sony games only, if you were offended when game value was brought into the equation. But it's certainly an interesting one and It seems off topic mentioning game price/value but not totally. It seems to overlap a little. I think what he was trying to lead onto is that it goes hand in hand game quality/value from Nintendo"in general"with "exceptions" like everything else in the known universe. "exceptions to the rule" but it doesn't make it invalid. And they're also the last real game company if you like it or not. Also maybe you should be reminded despite Nintendo's failings right now. They're brought out the "most" and "best" exclusives of this generation at 1080p 60fps, and touched upon concepts that not even Microsoft or sony would dare touch even with the funding of gods behind them. Their games are holding value. Low demand = Lack of interest /boring/was fun but no one cares about anymore - disposable entertainment/sports/shovel ware/Not art High demand = High quality /classic/considered art/timeless game play, and replay value/ This seems to be the formula. There's one more part to it but I'm to lazy bring in quantity vs quality, and more complicated. but it is why you can have great games at a low price or bad games at a high price in some cases. But it seems like abnormalities. And more often than not. You also seemed keen to mention you can emulate all sega genesis/megadrive games for about 50 dollars. Fair enough. Yet still the value continues to rise. While sadly on the other hand the fact is most of the PS2 generation of games and beyond are worth less than Ugandan toilet paper, and less by each passing day as opposed to the Sega or Nintendo "as a whole". It's just the truth. For why that is is open to debate. And to be fair you wanted to bring up uncharted? It's nothing but a glorified tomb raider with a gears of war cover system thrown in and that's not my words it was exactly the sentiment and what people were saying back in 2007/2008. And it was true enough. Half of its success was probably the lack of good tomb raider game since the ps2 games. Through for me the comments made weren't so harsh the games ranged from okay to good. But the uncharted games would of made far far better movies than games, sorry. From memory the game consisted of a monkey climbing sequence, a shooting sequence, a puzzle sequence, then a cut scene sequence in a loop. If I wanted to be really cold I could say that makes it shit, but no to me it makes it good for one play-through at the most. Disposable. Then never touching the game again. He said he rather dump it, than let it sit on his shelf and collect dust. Probably because the game is almost unsalable, common and most of all the demand is low. That's why dumping it seemed like a viable option rather than just hoarding junk with no replay value, nor will it ever more than likely. They lack any imagination to create anything above average. (Bloodborne seemed to be the only killer app.) As he said why the hell play/watch a ultra realistic corridor shooter cinematic game when you could just watch a movie instead? These games are more like movies than games? But thats just my opinion if someone enjoys that, but it seems distant from the core beliefs of what gaming was. It should of existed but it should have never been dominated by this genre today, and exterminate other genres off the face of the map. I don't know what else to say about it. Other than it's a elephant in the room, but Nintendo seemed to have somewhat stuck to the core beliefs. As for game uncharted just like many others is just like a movie, the movie is fun once maybe twice then its over. It's not crafted or designed to by anything more than that. It's price and value reflects that in the passing of time. I rather have game with the best game play on the planet that's fun than the most realistic game on the planet. Last note. "If not for PlayStation, we wouldn't have great games like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Silent Hill or Tomb Raider." Not true really. Tomb raider started out on the sega saturn, and resident evil was planned first on the sega saturn. but the original build was cancelled from international jewry from sony probably or whatever lol. And silent hill? Well.. True but I don't want to open up any old wounds or anything from those still moaning but we don't have the franchise anymore. It could of easily ended up on saturn if things played out slightly different anyway. The rant is over kind regards gf78 |
| Flashback2012:
--- Quote from: dreama1 on May 20, 2016, 01:48:29 am ---"If not for PlayStation, we wouldn't have great games like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Silent Hill or Tomb Raider." Not true really. Tomb raider started out on the sega saturn, and resident evil was planned first on the sega saturn. but the original build was cancelled from international jewry from sony probably or whatever lol. And silent hill? Well.. True but I don't want to open up any old wounds or anything from those still moaning but we don't have the franchise anymore. It could of easily ended up on saturn if things played out slightly different anyway. --- End quote --- The Wiki entry for Tomb Raider seems to back up what you're saying but the Resident Evil/Biohazard claim doesn't seem to check out. You make it sound like Sony waived some $$$ at Capcom but the more likely scenario is the PS1 was/is better at handling 3D graphics than the Saturn and by default was the premier console of choice to put their killer app on. Don't misinterpret that as Sony fanboyism, I prefer my Saturn 11 times out of 10 over my PS1 but I always did feel that 3D games looked inferior on that system. |
| dreama1:
--- Quote from: Flashback2012 on May 20, 2016, 02:06:57 am --- --- Quote from: dreama1 on May 20, 2016, 01:48:29 am ---"If not for PlayStation, we wouldn't have great games like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Silent Hill or Tomb Raider." Not true really. Tomb raider started out on the sega saturn, and resident evil was planned first on the sega saturn. but the original build was cancelled from international jewry from sony probably or whatever lol. And silent hill? Well.. True but I don't want to open up any old wounds or anything from those still moaning but we don't have the franchise anymore. It could of easily ended up on saturn if things played out slightly different anyway. --- End quote --- The Wiki entry for Tomb Raider seems to back up what you're saying but the Resident Evil/Biohazard claim doesn't seem to check out. You make it sound like Sony waived some $$$ at Capcom but the more likely scenario is the PS1 was/is better at handling 3D graphics than the Saturn and by default was the premier console of choice to put their killer app on. Don't misinterpret that as Sony fanboyism, I prefer my Saturn 11 times out of 10 over my PS1 but I always did feel that 3D games looked inferior on that system. --- End quote --- Resident evil was delayed on saturn but the superior version probably it had more content as well. It's worth mentioning resident evil 2 was in the works by the war years already at 1997/1998 It was cancelled with many other titles. The 3D debate is also highly controversial. And i'm not a expert to talk about it but the 3D wasn't always superior. The Saturns potential was only just starting to be unlocked when they pulled the plug. I don't believe it hit it's limits. Panzer dragoon saga for example is one of the only games to use all 3 processors? Check out the games by lobotomy those 3d games are superior on Saturn anyway. This guy seems to explain it quite well maybe you'll find value. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_OchOV_WDg |
| Flashback2012:
--- Quote from: dreama1 on May 20, 2016, 02:18:59 am ---Resident evil was delayed on saturn but the superior version probably it had more content as well. It's worth mentioning resident evil 2 was in the works by the war years already at 1997/1998 It was cancelled with many other titles. --- End quote --- This is from the RE Wiki article: "Almost all development was done on Silicon Graphics hardware using the software program Soft Image. The PlayStation was chosen as the lead platform because the development team felt it was the most appropriate for the game in terms of things such as the amount of polygons." There's a footnote that cites an article from an issue of EGM where they apparently interviewed the development team. --- Quote from: dreama1 on May 20, 2016, 02:18:59 am ---The 3D debate is also highly controversial. And i'm not a expert to talk about it but the 3D wasn't always superior. The Saturn's potential was only just starting to be unlocked when they pulled the plug. I don't believe it hit it's limits. Panzer dragoon saga for example is one of the only games to use all 3 processors? Check out the games by lobotomy those 3d games are superior on Saturn anyway. This guy seems to explain it quite well maybe you'll find value. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_OchOV_WDg --- End quote --- I watched that whole thing and what he covers makes a lot of sense. It's that "AHA!" moment in that he does a good job explaining the subtle yet important difference between the PS1 and Saturn. That video contains a WEALTH of good information and I thank you for linking it. ;D |
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