Author Topic: Error Listings 2017  (Read 37320 times)

jjfly

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #240 on: September 06, 2017, 02:20:34 pm »
Two games in Jig-A-Pix games were named  Jig A Pix. Tried to correct them. Other got approved: https://vgcollect.com/item/89596 and other didn't: https://vgcollect.com/item/89597 .
Here list of other Jig-A-Pix games on site:
https://vgcollect.com/item/97888
https://vgcollect.com/item/100467
https://vgcollect.com/item/100469


Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #241 on: September 06, 2017, 05:17:54 pm »
https://vgcollect.com/item/132012
https://vgcollect.com/item/132013

So apparently, I'm not able to actually submit data to the site anymore- I've tried to do many photo edits which never materalize, and none of the info I typed into this listing actually went through, even when I switched browsers. So, yeah- these need to be deleted. (And if anyone has any idea why I can't submit anything anymore, I'd love to know!)
« Last Edit: September 06, 2017, 05:22:09 pm by hoshichiri »

desocietas

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #242 on: September 06, 2017, 05:27:24 pm »
https://vgcollect.com/item/132012
https://vgcollect.com/item/132013

So apparently, I'm not able to actually submit data to the site anymore- I've tried to do many photo edits which never materalize, and none of the info I typed into this listing actually went through, even when I switched browsers. So, yeah- these need to be deleted. (And if anyone has any idea why I can't submit anything anymore, I'd love to know!)

What size are the images that you're trying to submit? and what file format?
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Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #243 on: September 06, 2017, 10:10:59 pm »
What size are the images that you're trying to submit? and what file format?

All the images I've tried are JPEGs, 3-5 MB in size.

I also can't seem to do any text updates... I've tried to submit the text from the back of my Pac-Man homebrew on the Fairchild channel F to no avail. And the entirely of my last attempt to make a new listing (for the Pax West variant of Ys Origin) disappeared entirely, resulting in a blank entry.

tripredacus

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #244 on: September 07, 2017, 10:43:20 am »
What size are the images that you're trying to submit? and what file format?

All the images I've tried are JPEGs, 3-5 MB in size.

I also can't seem to do any text updates... I've tried to submit the text from the back of my Pac-Man homebrew on the Fairchild channel F to no avail. And the entirely of my last attempt to make a new listing (for the Pax West variant of Ys Origin) disappeared entirely, resulting in a blank entry.

Users have reported that they have issues like this when they try to make an entry and using a large image. So two things:
1. Create the entry with just text first. Then submit edit to add pictures
but really:
2. Resize the images before putting them to the site. Note that the site is going to resize to make the maximum horizontal being 200px. So there is a plateau for image quality or original image size that ends up not making a difference in the end when the site modifies the submitted image for an entry. I tend to keep all my images I put onto the site between 400px and 800px horizontal.

tripredacus

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #245 on: September 07, 2017, 10:48:28 am »
Two games in Jig-A-Pix games were named  Jig A Pix. Tried to correct them. Other got approved: https://vgcollect.com/item/89596 and other didn't: https://vgcollect.com/item/89597 .
Here list of other Jig-A-Pix games on site:
https://vgcollect.com/item/97888
https://vgcollect.com/item/100467
https://vgcollect.com/item/100469

Well it seems neither is correct? The box front has no spaces or hyphens between the words... and in the example of Pets from UK, it even says JIGAPIX as one word on the back:
http://www.mobygames.com/game/nintendo-ds/jig-a-pix-pets/cover-art/gameCoverId,353300/

I recommend title should be JIGAPIX and alt-name can have the name with (and without if you want) hyphens.
It seems odd that both Mobygames and Gamefaqs have this game title with hyphens in it, but the box does not.

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #246 on: September 09, 2017, 11:27:05 am »
What size are the images that you're trying to submit? and what file format?

All the images I've tried are JPEGs, 3-5 MB in size.

I also can't seem to do any text updates... I've tried to submit the text from the back of my Pac-Man homebrew on the Fairchild channel F to no avail. And the entirely of my last attempt to make a new listing (for the Pax West variant of Ys Origin) disappeared entirely, resulting in a blank entry.

Users have reported that they have issues like this when they try to make an entry and using a large image. So two things:
1. Create the entry with just text first. Then submit edit to add pictures
but really:
2. Resize the images before putting them to the site. Note that the site is going to resize to make the maximum horizontal being 200px. So there is a plateau for image quality or original image size that ends up not making a difference in the end when the site modifies the submitted image for an entry. I tend to keep all my images I put onto the site between 400px and 800px horizontal.

Thanks for the advice! Shrinking the images has fixed my issues- I'll start on my backlog after work today!

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #247 on: September 15, 2017, 09:27:59 pm »
I thought my PS3 was a new variant but come to find out it isn't.  So can you please remove this error entry I created. 

https://vgcollect.com/item/132452



azure

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #248 on: September 16, 2017, 12:35:00 pm »
https://vgcollect.com/item/130804

https://vgcollect.com/item/130805

Both items are duplicates and are wrongly listed under "Official Release".

There are already two items in the database for both of the fan translations of Fire Emblem 6:

Binding Blade: https://vgcollect.com/item/85528

Sword of Seals: https://vgcollect.com/item/130801

pacpix

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #249 on: September 16, 2017, 06:23:32 pm »
I thought my PS3 was a new variant but come to find out it isn't.  So can you please remove this error entry I created. 

https://vgcollect.com/item/132452

Deleted

https://vgcollect.com/item/130804

https://vgcollect.com/item/130805

Both items are duplicates and are wrongly listed under "Official Release".

There are already two items in the database for both of the fan translations of Fire Emblem 6:

Binding Blade: https://vgcollect.com/item/85528

Sword of Seals: https://vgcollect.com/item/130801

Merged the duplicate entries
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empovyle

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #250 on: September 19, 2017, 07:23:22 am »
https://vgcollect.com/item/131649

I thought that the steelbook was its own product, but it was actually just a part of the Hardened Edition, though I did submit an edit to have its name changed to just "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Steelbook" - please delete it if it doesn't belong, unless it should be kept for people who bought it separately from the Hardened Edition.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2017, 07:27:01 am by empovyle »

tripredacus

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #251 on: September 19, 2017, 11:06:24 am »
It wouldn't be the first time there was such an entry. I changed the title formatting.

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #252 on: September 20, 2017, 03:56:24 pm »
I'm currently cleaning and completing a few entries in the Playstation 2 European section and i have a few questions before starting to submit a lot of (maybe) useless edits, i was wondering what to do with games that don't have any TLD in theirs titles, those games are usually the European version, like this one, if those version exist and if they don't, it's usually the UK variant that goes into those entries, right ?

Then what if i find a game that don't have a TLD in the title and is neither a UK or a EU variant ? Should i edit the name to add the TLD (even though most people that have it in their collection does probably not own that particular variant) or should i modify the item to become the UK variant (and then submit a new item for that variant) ?

Exemples:

.hack//Mutation Part 2
https://vgcollect.com/item/19562 -> title without TLD, have German front cover and UK back cover and doesn't have any barcode to identify what variant it really is.
https://vgcollect.com/item/56028 -> "PEGI Rating" suffix in title, have UK front and back cover (barcode confirm it too)

For that exemple should we edit item 19562 to become the German variant (since it already have the German front cover) and then remove the [PEGI Rating] from item 56028, or should we merge them together and create another item for the German variant ?

Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 2
https://vgcollect.com/item/66795 -> item without TLD, have a PEGI front cover (like many EU variant) and a French back cover, barcode is for the French version too.

In this case the item has been created to be the French variant but no TLD was added in the title so it would be simple to edit it to add a little [FR] but since the UK variant doesn't exist in the database i'm sure many people who added that item in their collection probably didn't have that particular variant (i'm sure most people doesn't check the data of the items, they only check the title and the front cover), so if we edit it they will now have a "Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 2 [FR]" in theirs collection.

Ar tonelico: Melody of Elemia
https://vgcollect.com/item/48934 -> item without TLD, have a PEGI Front cover (again like many EU variant) and a French back cover (edited after the creation of the item), the barcode is for the French variant (again edited).

This last exemple is the worst type of item for me, since it have been edited (even by me, i added the French box text since i've seen it was now the French variant) we don't know what was created to be the original item (does it have any barcode at first, what about the back cover...), should i re submit edit to make that item become the UK variant (which is not in the database) or simply add a [FR] at the end of the title (like in the previous exemple, many people will then have a [FR] title in their collection) then submit another item for the UK variant ?

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I think that if the item was edited after the creation we should re edit it to become the UK variant since we don't know what was the original data of the item but if the item was not edited in any way then we should respect what was added by the creator of the item and edit it to become the variant he added in the database, for case like item 19562 (the .Hack//Mutation with a front and back cover from two different variant) when we don't know what variant it really is, i think they should also been edited to become the UK variant (or merged together if the UK variant already exist), but that's only what i think and i will let the mods have the final words on items like those.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2017, 04:10:07 pm by metshael »

tripredacus

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #253 on: September 21, 2017, 10:38:51 am »
The number one rule on a category is that no two items should have the same title. So in a case where the only release of a game is limited to one country, it needs no TLD because there is no other version. For example, there are some instances of Nintendo platform games that only had 1 release in Germany and no other release in another European country. It needs no TLD because there are no other entries that you need to differentiate from.

For EU categories, ordering would work like this:

1. EU English release
2. UK English release gets [UK]
3. other countries get their TLD

or

1. UK English release
2. Other countries get their TLD

For editing entries, I would tend to go with the history of the item. For the Naruto example, since it has the correct back image (clearly see it is not English text) and barcode is present, it is clear to be the French version. It would be allowed to put [FR] onto that title as long as the other entry is added. You can think perhaps it is unfortunate that there would be at least 20 people who would then have the wrong game into their collection, but nothing would have changed really. The other side is that many people do not care about variants or the exact game they have, so they are not effected. This is a common thing in the EU category, where people do not seem to realise (or care) that there are many different versions, likely because most just have a different cover or manual and the disc is the same.

For Ar Tonelico example. A user changed the item to FR by adding the barcode and back version. It should be reverted to the EN/UK version if it already does not exist into the database by way of replace the back art and fix the barcode. Because of this type of edit, this is the type of item that should be put into Listing Errors because an admin may not allow that type of edit. I can take care of this entry now.
EDIT: I cannot find an English EU or UK release of this game. Only France and Italy.

For .hack, I changed the titles. It seems to be the intent, Check the entries and see what you think.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2017, 10:46:43 am by tripredacus »

Re: Error Listings 2017
« Reply #254 on: September 21, 2017, 12:44:07 pm »
The number one rule on a category is that no two items should have the same title. So in a case where the only release of a game is limited to one country, it needs no TLD because there is no other version. For example, there are some instances of Nintendo platform games that only had 1 release in Germany and no other release in another European country. It needs no TLD because there are no other entries that you need to differentiate from.

For EU categories, ordering would work like this:

1. EU English release
2. UK English release gets [UK]
3. other countries get their TLD

or

1. UK English release
2. Other countries get their TLD


Yeah i always tend to forgot that some games didn't get released in every country, so no TLD is needed when there is only one EU release, even trough it is not in English or if the title change between country, ok thank you.

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For editing entries, I would tend to go with the history of the item. For the Naruto example, since it has the correct back image (clearly see it is not English text) and barcode is present, it is clear to be the French version. It would be allowed to put [FR] onto that title as long as the other entry is added. You can think perhaps it is unfortunate that there would be at least 20 people who would then have the wrong game into their collection, but nothing would have changed really. The other side is that many people do not care about variants or the exact game they have, so they are not effected. This is a common thing in the EU category, where people do not seem to realise (or care) that there are many different versions, likely because most just have a different cover or manual and the disc is the same.

That is basically what i wanted to do, when i can see what variant that game is really is i edit the title to reflect it (if no drastic change have been made in the history tab) and add a new entry for the Uk/En variant.

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For Ar Tonelico example. A user changed the item to FR by adding the barcode and back version. It should be reverted to the EN/UK version if it already does not exist into the database by way of replace the back art and fix the barcode. Because of this type of edit, this is the type of item that should be put into Listing Errors because an admin may not allow that type of edit. I can take care of this entry now.
EDIT: I cannot find an English EU or UK release of this game. Only France and Italy.

And when an item have been edited to the point where we can't know what was the original item we revert it to the UK/EN variant (if such variant still doesn't exist in the database and if such variant exist of course...). That was pretty surprising for Ar Tonelico but i just made some research and yeah there isn't any English variant of that game, the game was only released in France, Italy and Spain so i will edit the actual entry we have in the database with a [FR] and add two another entry for the [IT] and [ES] variant (when i find them).

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For .hack, I changed the titles. It seems to be the intent, Check the entries and see what you think.

That's good for me, i will edit the, now, German variant with the actual German back cover and any data i can find about it.

Thank you for all your answers Tripredacus 8)