Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?

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Warmsignal:

--- Quote from: sworddude on December 16, 2017, 12:17:35 am ---
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 15, 2017, 08:46:56 pm ---I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.

Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.

Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.

It's just fanboyism really.

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not fanboyism really

The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.

As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.

That's the main reason if you would ask me time.

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I wouldn't consider other consoles superior, unless your sole determining factor is genre and you specifically want certain types of games that the Xbox doesn't have, like JRPGs. It's also difficult to fault any 6th gen console for lacking in 2D games, during the height of 3D game popularity. You might say the same about N64, which had few 2D style games and lacked in several genres. But for me, it was an excellent console, with plenty of greats within the genres I enjoy so there's no sense in me complaining that it wasn't more well rounded. I like 3D games just fine, so again can't complain about the lull during the late 90s / early 2000s.

I picked up most of my Xbox games years ago, mostly between $3 - $5 each, so it was no big deal for me to invest in an Xbox collection. Many of the games I got were not on PS2, although it's widely believed that most which are, actually look and play better on Xbox. Xbox supports 480p a lot more often than PS2, I believe. Xbox is most worthwhile if you enjoy games from the early 2000s, if you were big into PC games at that time, or were disappointed when Dreamcast came to an end. If you aren't nostalgic for that era, then maybe not. But if you're a gamer/collector with a broad focus and interest on console gaming, then Xbox is a relatively low price of admission you can't go wrong with.

On the other hand, Atari Jaguar, you can go wrong with. You can pay steep price for the console, and find out there were about 70 games. Most of which aren't exactly cheap, many of which were not exclusive, and the rest of which are of questionable quality at best. Xbox is not Atari Jaguar.

dashv:

--- Quote from: burningdoom on December 16, 2017, 09:54:22 am ---
--- Quote from: sworddude on December 16, 2017, 12:17:35 am ---
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 15, 2017, 08:46:56 pm ---I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.

Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.

Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.

It's just fanboyism really.

--- End quote ---

not fanboyism really

The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.

As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.

That's the main reason if you would ask me time.

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That is the the most generic argument ever
That could apply to ANY console with that logic, hardly just Xbox. What if I was a Nintendo fanboy with a huge backlog? Should I not play PlayStation because of it? B.S.

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I think their point was, popularity wise, if most people have a PS 2 (It did sell way more consoles) and a backlog for that system that’s a big enough investment to deter them from seeking out another console that will grow that backlog and delay them finishing the one they already have on their console of choice.

Like if my lease hasn’t expired on my current car and it’s getting the job done... why even explore getting another just yet?

I kinda get it.

sworddude:

--- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 16, 2017, 12:48:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: sworddude on December 16, 2017, 12:17:35 am ---
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 15, 2017, 08:46:56 pm ---I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already.

Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games.

Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox.

It's just fanboyism really.

--- End quote ---

not fanboyism really

The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate.

As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent.

That's the main reason if you would ask me time.

--- End quote ---

I wouldn't consider other consoles superior, unless your sole determining factor is genre and you specifically want certain types of games that the Xbox doesn't have, like JRPGs. It's also difficult to fault any 6th gen console for lacking in 2D games, during the height of 3D game popularity. You might say the same about N64, which had few 2D style games and lacked in several genres. But for me, it was an excellent console, with plenty of greats within the genres I enjoy so there's no sense in me complaining that it wasn't more well rounded. I like 3D games just fine, so again can't complain about the lull during the late 90s / early 2000s.

I picked up most of my Xbox games years ago, mostly between $3 - $5 each, so it was no big deal for me to invest in an Xbox collection. Many of the games I got were not on PS2, although it's widely believed that most which are, actually look and play better on Xbox. Xbox supports 480p a lot more often than PS2, I believe. Xbox is most worthwhile if you enjoy games from the early 2000s, if you were big into PC games at that time, or were disappointed when Dreamcast came to an end. If you aren't nostalgic for that era, then maybe not. But if you're a gamer/collector with a broad focus and interest on console gaming, then Xbox is a relatively low price of admission you can't go wrong with.

On the other hand, Atari Jaguar, you can go wrong with. You can pay step price for the console, and find out there were about 70s games. Most of which aren't exactly cheap, many of which were not exclusive, and the rest of which are of questionable quality at best. Xbox is not Atari Jaguar.

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your right atari jaguar only has very few good games not even super outstanding ones let alone the high prices sure xbox is better than that console.

dashv:
Jaguar is a tough cat to love.

Very expensive. But it does have its gems:

Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)

Off the top of my head.

There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.

Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.

sworddude:

--- Quote from: dashv on December 16, 2017, 01:04:50 pm ---Jaguar is a tough cat to love.

Very expensive. But it does have its gems:

Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time)
Doom (best console version out at the time)
Alien vs Predator
NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect)
Rayman
Tempest 2000
Iron Soldier
Total carnage (Arcade perfect)

Off the top of my head.

There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox.

Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing.

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Fair enough personally no experience with the jaguar so who am I to judge.

As far as xbox goes

coin ops is pretty good for those arcade game and console emulators, doesn't help the xbox library though as far as this topic goes.

That being said allot of people use a retro pi or something for emulating arcade games and such but the xbox is a cheaper option.

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