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| dashv:
--- Quote from: sworddude on December 16, 2017, 01:13:25 pm --- --- Quote from: dashv on December 16, 2017, 01:04:50 pm ---Jaguar is a tough cat to love. Very expensive. But it does have its gems: Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time) Doom (best console version out at the time) Alien vs Predator NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect) Rayman Tempest 2000 Iron Soldier Total carnage (Arcade perfect) Off the top of my head. There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox. Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing. --- End quote --- Fair enough personally no experience with the jaguar so who am I to judge. As far as xbox goes coin ops is pretty good for those arcade game and console emulators, doesn't help the xbox library though as far as this topic goes. That being said allot of people use a retro pi or something for emulating arcade games and such but the xbox is a cheaper option. --- End quote --- You are totally right the Jag is not worth it for all but die hard collectors. I just wanted to provide the list of golden oldies for folks still thinking of jumping into it. Just curious why how easy the Xbox console is to open up and play retro games on via emulation is not fair game/criteria in a discussion about how retro gamers feel about it? It’s literally the only console from that generation capable of emulating: Mame Genesis Game gear Atari ColecoVision Master system Nes Snes N64 PlayStation 1 Many of the above in 720p, full speed, with filters. Also direct (PC accurate) homebrew ports of Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Beats of Rage. No hardware mods required. It’s honestly the retro gamers holy grail and the console is still dirt cheap and easy to find. |
| Warmsignal:
--- Quote from: dashv on December 16, 2017, 01:04:50 pm ---Jaguar is a tough cat to love. Very expensive. But it does have its gems: Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time) Doom (best console version out at the time) Alien vs Predator NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect) Rayman Tempest 2000 Iron Soldier Total carnage (Arcade perfect) Off the top of my head. There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox. Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing. --- End quote --- Those are some perfectly acceptable games sure, but I think they're all available elsewhere for cheaper, and on consoles with better controllers (now). So that is how one could go wrong, in theory. My premise is that you can't go wrong with Xbox, well unless you're after JRPGs. I just get tired of trying to explain how the Xbox is actually quite good. It seems obvious. There's a lot of aversion to it, that doesn't need to be. You can still find an OG Xbox really cheap, so the excuse of money or backlog seems petty to me. When mine died last year, I picked up another unit for $10. I got many of my games on the cheap as well, I'll get around to playing them all someday. They aren't going anywhere. If people actively want to ignore or dislike it, just out of need to oppose something or be on a team, that's their thing I guess. |
| dashv:
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 16, 2017, 01:39:16 pm --- --- Quote from: dashv on December 16, 2017, 01:04:50 pm ---Jaguar is a tough cat to love. Very expensive. But it does have its gems: Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time) Doom (best console version out at the time) Alien vs Predator NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect) Rayman Tempest 2000 Iron Soldier Total carnage (Arcade perfect) Off the top of my head. There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox. Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing. --- End quote --- Those are some perfectly acceptable games sure, but I think they're all available elsewhere for cheaper, and on consoles with better controllers (now). So that is how one could go wrong, in theory. My premise is that you can't go wrong with Xbox, well unless you're after JRPGs. I just get tired of trying to explain how the Xbox is actually quite good. It seems obvious. There's a lot of aversion to it, that doesn't need to be. You can still find an OG Xbox really cheap, so the excuse of money or backlog seems petty to me. When mine died last year, I picked up another unit for $10. I got many of my games on the cheap as well, I'll get around to playing them all someday. They aren't going anywhere. If people actively want to ignore or dislike it, just out of need to oppose something or be on a team, that's their thing I guess. --- End quote --- I agree with you on all counts. (I actually own 10 original Xbox consoles because I keep finding them for $10 and can’t help myself). I also see and understand other folks feeling differently. Depending on the game/experience I’m looking for $10 is not a big deal to me. I own many copies of several games across platforms. Sometimes I get them as an homage to the accomplishment. There is no practical reason to own a Jaguar. As you said, better cheaper alternatives exist for all but AvP and Iron Soldier. But I respect the American made console and what it managed to get right at the time and want to own that part of history. I wonder what might have been if their original plan to have AvP available at launch had panned out. It’s damn impressive for the time. No other console could even come close to reproducing that game at the time. Some folks don’t want to/can’t part with $1. Depending on their budget/circumstances that’s entirely legitimate. So each purchase is a careful choice for them that has to fall in their comfort zone. |
| sworddude:
--- Quote from: dashv on December 16, 2017, 01:49:04 pm --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 16, 2017, 01:39:16 pm --- --- Quote from: dashv on December 16, 2017, 01:04:50 pm ---Jaguar is a tough cat to love. Very expensive. But it does have its gems: Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time) Doom (best console version out at the time) Alien vs Predator NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect) Rayman Tempest 2000 Iron Soldier Total carnage (Arcade perfect) Off the top of my head. There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox. Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing. --- End quote --- Those are some perfectly acceptable games sure, but I think they're all available elsewhere for cheaper, and on consoles with better controllers (now). So that is how one could go wrong, in theory. My premise is that you can't go wrong with Xbox, well unless you're after JRPGs. I just get tired of trying to explain how the Xbox is actually quite good. It seems obvious. There's a lot of aversion to it, that doesn't need to be. You can still find an OG Xbox really cheap, so the excuse of money or backlog seems petty to me. When mine died last year, I picked up another unit for $10. I got many of my games on the cheap as well, I'll get around to playing them all someday. They aren't going anywhere. If people actively want to ignore or dislike it, just out of need to oppose something or be on a team, that's their thing I guess. --- End quote --- I agree with you on all counts. (I actually own 10 original Xbox consoles because I keep finding them for $10 and can’t help myself). I also see and understand other folks feeling differently. Depending on the game/experience I’m looking for $10 is not a big deal to me. I own many copies of several games across platforms. Sometimes I get them as an homage to the accomplishment. There is no practical reason to own a Jaguar. As you said, better cheaper alternatives exist for all but AvP and Iron Soldier. But I respect the American made console and what it managed to get right at the time and want to own that part of history. I wonder what might have been if their original plan to have AvP available at launch had panned out. It’s damn impressive for the time. No other console could even come close to reproducing that game at the time. Some folks don’t want to/can’t part with $1. Depending on their budget/circumstances that’s entirely legitimate. So each purchase is a careful choice for them that has to fall in their comfort zone. --- End quote --- I highly doubt it is the price that can prevent people from buying one. You also have to consider that it takes up space, an xbox console is quite the heavy beast, also if you go and buy a stack of games that will also fill up those shelves pretty well and if you don't use them it can be annoying to some. If you dislike or plan to not really use an item, it will only take up space wich in turn can make people decide not to collect for xbox. Also as far as atari jaguar goes alien vs predator on the jaguar was an exclusive if i am not mistaken if not to wich console was it ported to, or are we just talking about steam or emulators. |
| Warmsignal:
--- Quote from: dashv on December 16, 2017, 01:49:04 pm --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 16, 2017, 01:39:16 pm --- --- Quote from: dashv on December 16, 2017, 01:04:50 pm ---Jaguar is a tough cat to love. Very expensive. But it does have its gems: Wolfenstein (best console version out at the time) Doom (best console version out at the time) Alien vs Predator NBA Jam (nearly Arcade perfect) Rayman Tempest 2000 Iron Soldier Total carnage (Arcade perfect) Off the top of my head. There is absolutely no comparison between it and the original Xbox. Also as was mentioned before softmoding an original Xbox is very easy. Totally reversible and the emulation and homebrew available for it is amazing. --- End quote --- Those are some perfectly acceptable games sure, but I think they're all available elsewhere for cheaper, and on consoles with better controllers (now). So that is how one could go wrong, in theory. My premise is that you can't go wrong with Xbox, well unless you're after JRPGs. I just get tired of trying to explain how the Xbox is actually quite good. It seems obvious. There's a lot of aversion to it, that doesn't need to be. You can still find an OG Xbox really cheap, so the excuse of money or backlog seems petty to me. When mine died last year, I picked up another unit for $10. I got many of my games on the cheap as well, I'll get around to playing them all someday. They aren't going anywhere. If people actively want to ignore or dislike it, just out of need to oppose something or be on a team, that's their thing I guess. --- End quote --- I agree with you on all counts. (I actually own 10 original Xbox consoles because I keep finding them for $10 and can’t help myself). I also see and understand other folks feeling differently. Depending on the game/experience I’m looking for $10 is not a big deal to me. I own many copies of several games across platforms. Sometimes I get them as an homage to the accomplishment. There is no practical reason to own a Jaguar. As you said, better cheaper alternatives exist for all but AvP and Iron Soldier. But I respect the American made console and what it managed to get right at the time and want to own that part of history. I wonder what might have been if their original plan to have AvP available at launch had panned out. It’s damn impressive for the time. No other console could even come close to reproducing that game at the time. Some folks don’t want to/can’t part with $1. Depending on their budget/circumstances that’s entirely legitimate. So each purchase is a careful choice for them that has to fall in their comfort zone. --- End quote --- That's a perfectly fine point to make, actually. It's just that people seem to try and rationalize it differently, by saying things like "I don't have an Xbox because it pretty much sucks". That's just being all around dishonest. Why build an excuse for not having it, to elevate yourself as being above having it? People do that kind of thing all of the time, and not just regarding game consoles. I agree, if you're a hardcore game collector. I totally get the desire to collect Jaguar, even above many other consoles. I went into it blindly thinking it would be a practical type of console to play, and was sorely mistaken. I didn't realize the extent to which it doesn't hold up today, when I bought mine. But as a piece of gaming history, it would be really neat to collect for. |
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