Why do many retro gamers hate on the Xbox?

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Warmsignal:
Xbox is not so much ignored, as neglected. We haven't yet reached the age where the younger crowd are nostalgic for it. It was not my console of choice that generation, so I'll never feel much nostalgia for it myself. But I like the fact that it's a powerhouse, custom soundtracks and no memory cards are a thing on it, and that a lot of the shovel-ware stayed away from the console. Less shovel-ware overall, compared to the "massive" PS2 library. Sometime being the console that's best at certain things *cough* N64, is better than being the jack of many trades.... ;)

stealthrush:
The North American marketing & software developers did not appeal to me. I remember vividly deciding to buy a PS2 over XBOX. The only game I was interested in was Gunvalkyrie - but looking through the overall initial launch line-up it was clear the system wasn't for me.

Personally I am not (was not) a fan of Western developed games, First-Person shooters, "realistic" story-driven games, I rather play Japanese arcade-oriented games. It wasn't until years later I discovered SEGA developed games for the system, and the handful of imports that were worthwhile.

sworddude:

--- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 19, 2017, 07:40:45 pm ---Xbox is not so much ignored, as neglected. We haven't yet reached the age where the younger crowd are nostalgic for it. It was not my console of choice that generation, so I'll never feel much nostalgia for it myself. But I like the fact that it's a powerhouse, custom soundtracks and no memory cards are a thing on it, and that a lot of the shovel-ware stayed away from the console. Less shovel-ware overall, compared to the "massive" PS2 library. Sometime being the console that's best at certain things *cough* N64, is better than being the jack of many trades.... ;)

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shovelware should not be a concern at all if there is plenty of good stuff to be had. For ps2 I would estimate that for my personal taste there are around 400 450 good games imports included, to others 600 + if we include some genre's that I don't like including survival horror for ps2. I can't say the same for other consoles.

for rpg's I think many would consider the ps2 a master aside from being a jack of all trades, I will agree that N64 has some very strong points for party games and masters that very well aside from 3d platforming adventure collect a ton games.

kraussndhouse:

--- Quote from: burningdoom on December 05, 2017, 04:50:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: hexen on December 05, 2017, 04:13:43 pm ---Games for Xbox worth owning:
Halo
Halo 2
...
...
...

I'm exaggerating, but only a little. The Xbox had almost no unique library to speak of outside of Halo, Microsoft really needs to get on their knees and pray to Bungie every day for the existence of their brand. I don't think anyone really hates it, but it affords so much fewer options for collecting than the PS2 or Gamecube.

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There's some fantastic exclusive games on original XBox not named Halo. Here's a list off the top of my head.

-Arx Fatalis
-Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
-Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes
-Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (worth owning the system for this game alone, forget Halo)
-Fable
-Far Cry: Instinct
-Forza Motorsport
-Jade Empire (such an underrated and unique action-RPG)
-Oddworld: Munch's Odyssey
-Outrun II
-MechAssault 1 & 2
-Shenmue II
-Panzer Dragoon: Orta
-Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
-Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel Without a Pulse
-Yager

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Yager is incredible. It reminds of a more badass Snoopy vs The Red Baron. Stubbs is also amazing. Voodoo Vince (which was recently ported for the Xbox One, complete with Achievements) is game you could add to this list.

I like collecting for the OG Xbox because the games are affordable and it's a highly achievable collection to complete. I agree with the OP, it's an undervalued console and I also don't get the hate.

Warmsignal:

--- Quote from: sworddude on December 20, 2017, 03:13:19 am ---
--- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 19, 2017, 07:40:45 pm ---Xbox is not so much ignored, as neglected. We haven't yet reached the age where the younger crowd are nostalgic for it. It was not my console of choice that generation, so I'll never feel much nostalgia for it myself. But I like the fact that it's a powerhouse, custom soundtracks and no memory cards are a thing on it, and that a lot of the shovel-ware stayed away from the console. Less shovel-ware overall, compared to the "massive" PS2 library. Sometime being the console that's best at certain things *cough* N64, is better than being the jack of many trades.... ;)

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shovelware should not be a concern at all if there is plenty of good stuff to be had. For ps2 I would estimate that for my personal taste there are around 400 450 good games imports included, to others 600 + if we include some genre's that I don't like including survival horror for ps2. I can't say the same for other consoles.

for rpg's I think many would consider the ps2 a master aside from being a jack of all trades, I will agree that N64 has some very strong points for party games and masters that very well aside from 3d platforming adventure collect a ton games.

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600 worthwhile games on the PS2? That sounds like a stretch. I wouldn't know about imports, because I just don't import. The language barrier isn't worth it to me, and that's where I would roll out the argument that with all of the native releases I do have, why should I bide my time on imports that I can't really understand?

I've never found any console to have more than 200 games that really appeal to me and when I do, it's including titles of questionable quality. With certain genres excluded of course, like fighting, strategy, sports, and others that I don't really get into. I have just over 200 on PS2, and within the genres I do like there may be a dozen more I still feel are worth getting out of over 2,000 titles. There may be some I'm overlooking, but doubt that it's hundreds more.

Shovel-ware isn't really a concern so much but the more there is on a console, the more it obscures worthwhile titles. When I walk into my local game store, there is an entire room dedicated to PS2, but a lot of it is crap (and 10 copies each) and not necessarily the good titles everyone is after, because PS2 was very mainstream and many people bought crappy stuff on it. They have a separate glass case for the worthwhile PS2 games. The Xbox and GameCube selections are about 1/4th the size, but also with much less crap to filter through.

Wii is the same way. Wii library is massive, but most of it is crappy. Plenty of good ones if you dig, and do your homework. But there's something to said for consoles that don't have a bounty of shovel-ware on them at all.

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