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| dashv:
Sworddude: There is affordability and value. While there are some that I’m sure are still avoiding due to raw price I agree most folks probably aren’t avoiding it because it’s $10. More because it’s “not worth their $10” for the reasons you mentioned. They don’t want to make space, step out of comfort zone, they don’t want to spend any money on a dirty used console that old when they already have a PS2 that still works, etc. AvP was a jag exclusive title and a great title. But I don’t think it’s $200 great (cost of console and game). I meant no other console could do the complex 3D with texture mapped environments and true transparency let alone at the framerate and resolution the Jag pumped it out. The other consoles just didn’t have that kind of horsepower. Remember they were competing with SNES, Genesis, and 3DO at the time and they were half the cost of a 3DO. Gotta admit that’s technically freaking impressive. :) Warmsignal: Totally get it. And you are right it’s bigger than gaming. It’s typical now days for folks to have the attitude “I feel this way about blah for my own personal reasons.” Therefore logic, facts, common sense, and everything else aside... blah is stupid as is anyone who likes blah.” |
| burningdoom:
--- Quote from: dashv on December 16, 2017, 12:56:56 pm --- --- Quote from: burningdoom on December 16, 2017, 09:54:22 am --- --- Quote from: sworddude on December 16, 2017, 12:17:35 am --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 15, 2017, 08:46:56 pm ---I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already. Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games. Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox. It's just fanboyism really. --- End quote --- not fanboyism really The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate. As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent. That's the main reason if you would ask me time. --- End quote --- That is the the most generic argument ever That could apply to ANY console with that logic, hardly just Xbox. What if I was a Nintendo fanboy with a huge backlog? Should I not play PlayStation because of it? B.S. --- End quote --- I think their point was, popularity wise, if most people have a PS 2 (It did sell way more consoles) and a backlog for that system that’s a big enough investment to deter them from seeking out another console that will grow that backlog and delay them finishing the one they already have on their console of choice. Like if my lease hasn’t expired on my current car and it’s getting the job done... why even explore getting another just yet? I kinda get it. --- End quote --- I understood that fine, I just think it's a stupid argument. That's a personal problem, not an XBox as a brand or a console problem. Your backlog is your fault, not XBox's. |
| sworddude:
--- Quote from: burningdoom on December 19, 2017, 01:49:12 pm --- --- Quote from: dashv on December 16, 2017, 12:56:56 pm --- --- Quote from: burningdoom on December 16, 2017, 09:54:22 am --- --- Quote from: sworddude on December 16, 2017, 12:17:35 am --- --- Quote from: Warmsignal on December 15, 2017, 08:46:56 pm ---I didn't read through the entire thread, so this probably has been said already. Xbox as a brand is seen as the late comer. Microsoft was once seen as a greedy company bent on world-domination that already held too much market-share in other areas (although Sony was the same story) breaking into the games business trying to make a buck, while seemingly not having anything special to offer. Then, there is the fact of the matter that generally, niche Japanese developers don't market their games on Xbox very often. The majority of OG Xbox games are "American" or European in game style, lots of action-based games. Also due to a lot of willful ignorance, many naysayers don't adequately research the library and just assume there are no games that are exclusive, when in fact, there are many if you count games that were on Windows, but not PS2 or GameCube. Plenty of games that you've probably not heard of unless you were big into PC games in the early 2000s, and you most likely won't ever, unless they happen to show up on Steam or something. Not to mention several Dreamcast projects ended up coming to OG Xbox. It's just fanboyism really. --- End quote --- not fanboyism really The title of this thread is also kinda wrong I would rather say ignore xbox not hate. As far as ignorance go, many have a big back log as it is for playing them games that they already own, why would some even consider starting to collect for xbox if other consoles are far more superior as it is in both options and quality. Time is also something that can be a rarity to some better use it on the better consoles just saying. Some barely have time to play some games when that's the case it would not be wise to go to xbox unless you have nostalgia for the system or have some nice time to spent. That's the main reason if you would ask me time. --- End quote --- That is the the most generic argument ever That could apply to ANY console with that logic, hardly just Xbox. What if I was a Nintendo fanboy with a huge backlog? Should I not play PlayStation because of it? B.S. --- End quote --- I think their point was, popularity wise, if most people have a PS 2 (It did sell way more consoles) and a backlog for that system that’s a big enough investment to deter them from seeking out another console that will grow that backlog and delay them finishing the one they already have on their console of choice. Like if my lease hasn’t expired on my current car and it’s getting the job done... why even explore getting another just yet? I kinda get it. --- End quote --- I understood that fine, I just think it's a stupid argument. That's a personal problem, not an XBox as a brand or a console problem. Your backlog is your fault, not XBox's. --- End quote --- you must be quite the xbox fanboy ::) Besides I think the biggest reason is not only back log but just time. Time in general. Why would you spend your time on xbox if you could spend it on games of the 8 or 16 bit era. Or those arcade games. Or maybe those early 3d days with ps1 or n64 wich have great party titles with friends. old pc games many classics. I'm pretty sure many hardcore xbox collector or players have nostalgia for the system but for those nintendo sega or even sony players xbox has little to offer. Between sega sony and nintendo there are tons of games that many of different groups can enjoy since they mix or the same series or have allot similarities in gameplay, I can't say the same for xbox. Gamecube and ps2 have many gems or even wii aside from many excellent games plenty of master pieces to actually go to such consoles wich xbox has none off. Shenmue II is not an xbox game it's a dreamcast game people will play the dreamcast version even though it might be superior on xbox. I have played plenty of xbox many of the better titles not lacking to much interesting stuff really. In my opinion Xbox is a good console it has some good games but It's not a super great console and it most definitly does not have superb master pieces like many other consoles aside from lacking excellent games in general. Back in the day it was a number 1 or number 2 console it was life for many but just like most of It's mainstream library the actual mainstream crowd has moved on from xbox and play xbox one or ps4 games now. However for the crowd that plays older games Xbox has not much to offer and therefore is ignored. In those era of consoles gamecube and ps2 actually do have many memorable master pieces aside from tons of excellent games. it's really nice and all that xbox is so cheap to collect for but if it lacks interesting stuff compared to other consoles not to mention for many of those xbox exclusive good games you do not pay low dollar prices if you want them right now that is. So really super cheap it is not to collect for xbox for the stuff that might lure people in who play old sony sega or nintendo games to grab an xbox. |
| burningdoom:
I'm an XBox fanboy? It's not that you seem to have an illogical hate for XBox? Because you've replied to every positive reply in this thread with a wall of text. You are the type of person this thread is exactly about. I own consoles from all major companies. I'm not a fanboy of any one of them, in particular. And the only major console maker I dislike is Atari. |
| sworddude:
--- Quote from: burningdoom on December 19, 2017, 03:47:18 pm ---I'm an XBox fanboy? It's not that you seem to have an illogical hate for XBox? Because you've replied to every positive reply in this thread with a wall of text. You are the type of person this thread is exactly about. I own consoles from all major companies. I'm not a fanboy of any one of them, in particular. And the only major console maker I dislike is Atari. --- End quote --- Me hate for xbox? I own 70 + xbox games and have played many of the xbox classics except halo you serious man ::) Just saying it is not a super great console compared to others wich is the reason why many people ignore it that's all. Just stating some facts why many people might not chose to invest time in xbox. not to mention I only reacted to pretty much your comments exclusively since in my opinion they are far from correct, it is a discussion post after all. |
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