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General and Gaming => Modern Video Games => Topic started by: ancestralspirit on May 07, 2020, 09:50:28 am
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Apparently they've been blocking news sites from telling people that Streets of Rage 4 is getting a standard retail release, and a European Signature Edition to boot.
https://www.thexboxhub.com/physical-signature-edition-announced-for-streets-of-rage-4/
https://mynintendonews.com/2020/05/05/europe-a-retail-release-of-streets-of-rage-4-on-nintendo-switch-is-coming/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
So basically i paid $45 including shipping for a standard edition of a game from a country i don't live in, only to find out that i could have bought a European Signature edition with artbook, ost and the like for £45 with the potential for free shipping.
This is one of the shadier things LRG have done as of late.
Leading people on to increase their sales, and then blocking news sites of revealing info for other customers is an absolutely disgusting practice >:(
EDIT: They are also refusing refunds. At a time when people would rather not waste their money double dipping, this is a complete shit show :-\
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The standard retail release is from another publisher. Where is the source for the news blocking?
Ref: https://twitter.com/LimitedRunJosh/status/1257821196277690368
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Try selling it?
Their FAQ states that all sales are final so makes sense they would refuse refunds.
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The standard retail release is from another publisher. Where is the source for the news blocking?
Ref: https://twitter.com/LimitedRunJosh/status/1257821196277690368
On that Nintendo life blog i posted, the tweet in French is from a games journalist, he is the source.
It's easy enough the Google translate the tweets
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The standard retail release is from another publisher. Where is the source for the news blocking?
Ref: https://twitter.com/LimitedRunJosh/status/1257821196277690368
I don;t know if you read Josh's tweets further on in that thread, but it seems like he denies info one minutes and then counters his own argument in the next.
From what i'm seeing, they have a gag order in their contract until their sales are final.
Basically no one can announce their version until all sales are final with LRG's version, Josh basically states this in his next few tweets attached to the one you posted.
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Try selling it?
Their FAQ states that all sales are final so makes sense they would refuse refunds.
If you read other threads that LRG have posted, there are plenty of people that request refunds on there and LRG don't seem to have a problem with it.
Who's going to want to buy an overpriced version of the game, when it's getting a standard retail release cheaper, and a Signature Edition at a cheaper price with extra goodies to make it seem more enticing?
More to the point who wouldn't have already ordered the game if they wanted it considering the pre-orders have been open for so damn long, and you know there's already going to be a flood of them on eBay, it's gonna be neigh on impossible to get rid of the damn thing now :/
Believe me, i'll be trying to sell it if i buy the Signature Edition version, but i don't fancy my chances :-\
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Didn't stop me ordering from Signature, I bought the Standard Edition of Streets of Rage 4 - It's more than I'd have liked to pay for it but at least the postage to the UK is reasonable in comparison to LRG... I've said enough on my opinions of that company over the years :P
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From what i'm seeing, they have a gag order in their contract until their sales are final.
Basically no one can announce their version until all sales are final with LRG's version, Josh basically states this in his next few tweets attached to the one you posted.
Ok there is a contract, you realise that not only one company is on a contract right? Then why only complain about the one side? The terms were accepted by all parties, whoever those are besides the developer/rights holder and LRG, including the other publisher. The fact that news of the release hit is beyond that point, outside parties are not bound by the contract.
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From what i'm seeing, they have a gag order in their contract until their sales are final.
Basically no one can announce their version until all sales are final with LRG's version, Josh basically states this in his next few tweets attached to the one you posted.
Ok there is a contract, you realise that not only one company is on a contract right? Then why only complain about the one side? The terms were accepted by all parties, whoever those are besides the developer/rights holder and LRG, including the other publisher. The fact that news of the release hit is beyond that point, outside parties are not bound by the contract.
Then perhaps LRG should be more transparent as should others that sign contracts like these.
In order to have something like a gag order in place, you don't have to let other companies have a say in it, first come first served as it were.
So if LRG signed a contract that stated no one could announce the release of any other version, LRG had to knowingly sign that contract that they knew would stop others from talking.
Other companies would then sign contracts that state 'by the by, you're not allowed to talk about this game you're going to release, because this other company got there first'.
So when people were asking LRG if there was going to be anywhere else that was releasing it and LRG said 'no' that must have had some inclination that that wasn't going to be true, since they had to sign a contract that included a gag order against other companies.
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https://twitter.com/LimitedRunJosh/status/1258407706915897344
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https://twitter.com/LimitedRunJosh/status/1258407706915897344
Wondering if Josh bothered to read the report then, because that's not what they're talking about.
The tweet and report was about the blocking of other people from talking about the release of a different region version and that no one else could announce theirs until LRG had finished with their orders.
It doesn't say that LRG games are perpetually exclusive, and if it did that would be false information. However the information about LRG's contract having something put in place to stop others from announcing or talking about their version is the topic for discussion here.
Are you trying to mislead and misdirect the conversation or have i not explained my problem with this enough? I honestly don't know how else to explain the issue with this.
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no comment, at least you got the game, oh but you want to sell it for more money than what you paid for it. I don't feel sorry for you
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This is what LRG does, they side skirt the questions asked and try to make it sound like they aren't the bad guy by saying something not related that is true, but sounds related and isn't true if construed the way folks will actually take it.
LRG blocked the sale of Brigadine and River City Girls Asian releases to US addresses. Play-Asia reps came out and said directly that the publisher's agreement with another distributor blocked the sale of the product to other countries.
In this case... SoR4 is getting an ESRB retail release, but LRG's agreement with DotEmu/LizardCube made it such that Merge Games wasn't allowed to announce the US release until today. If your argument is that DotEmu/LizardCube should be getting the ire of the masses as well, you are correct. It's a scummy business tactic to trick consumers into paying more for less under the guise of "it's limited" when it really isn't and everyone involved knew this.
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no comment, at least you got the game, oh but you want to sell it for more money than what you paid for it. I don't feel sorry for you
A. I haven't got the game, i'm currently trying to cancel it since Josh tweeted me that he's not stopping people from cancelling it.
B. I never asked for sympathy.
C. As previously stated, good luck to anyone trying to sell that game for more than or equal to what they paid for it. Again if you wish to know why, i already stated my reasons in a previous post.
D. If i couldn't cancel it, yes i would sell it, and as long as i got back what i paid for i'd be happy. Please point out where i stated that i wanted to get more than what i paid for it, or wanted to charge an extortionate price.
EDIT: If anyone would like to use the tweet from Josh as to why they wish to cancel their order, please do so:
https://twitter.com/LimitedRunJosh/status/1258404126569967616
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ok sorry, I understand. I would just be happy to get the game, I hope you can at least get game, since you did already pay for it. I would be pissed too if I order something and didn't get it
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It doesn't say that LRG games are perpetually exclusive, and if it did that would be false information. However the information about LRG's contract having something put in place to stop others from announcing or talking about their version is the topic for discussion here.
Are you trying to mislead and misdirect the conversation or have i not explained my problem with this enough?
Ok but this is a common stipulation. All parties would accept this type of arrangement in order to secure sales for themselves. It seems to be a silly argument that companies should make their contracts public, that's a pipe dream. I can see the problem that has come up for the consumer, however it would be on the other publisher for either announcing or leaking the news of an upcoming product while in LRG's exclusivity period. If that other company was not responsible for that information, then there would be no fault with anyone involved that are following the schedules put forth by the agreement.
One thing to remember is that the machinations of the corporate world are not designed with the consumer in mind.
But holy cow, is this ever a first world problem. ::)
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ok sorry, I understand. I would just be happy to get the game, I hope you can at least get game, since you did already pay for it. I would be pissed too if I order something and didn't get it
Don;t get me wrong, i defo want the game.
However i live in the UK, and the Signature Edition would be better value for money for me and i wouldn't have to pay $15 in shipping for a single game like i have to with LRG's standard edition of Streets of Rage 4.
Plus it means i get an EU version of the game, and since DLC has already been announced, it makes more sense for me to have an EU version so i can get the DLC with my own PSN account, rather than using a dummy American one.
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It doesn't say that LRG games are perpetually exclusive, and if it did that would be false information. However the information about LRG's contract having something put in place to stop others from announcing or talking about their version is the topic for discussion here.
Are you trying to mislead and misdirect the conversation or have i not explained my problem with this enough?
Ok but this is a common stipulation. All parties would accept this type of arrangement in order to secure sales for themselves. It seems to be a silly argument that companies should make their contracts public, that's a pipe dream. I can see the problem that has come up for the consumer, however it would be on the other publisher for either announcing or leaking the news of an upcoming product while in LRG's exclusivity period. If that other company was not responsible for that information, then there would be no fault with anyone involved that are following the schedules put forth by the agreement.
One thing to remember is that the machinations of the corporate world are not designed with the consumer in mind.
But holy cow, is this ever a first world problem. ::)
I understand your point :)
I think my real issue here is with the disingenuousness of it all. I mean LRG tout all their games as being 'exclusives' and they even state that as such. However the contract that they must have had with Streets of Rage 4 and its gag order, tells them that other companies will be producing it elsewhere.
So why the claim to be exclusive all the time, when you KNOW for a FACT that someone else will be publishing it?
Especially so, when that same game that you claim to be an exclusive is getting a standard retail release.
Like you said though, first world problems :D
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I found it weird they released that super expensive version a few weeks after the regular/limited editions. Seems like a good way to shoot yourself in the foot? :P
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I found it weird they released that super expensive version a few weeks after the regular/limited editions. Seems like a good way to shoot yourself in the foot? :P
They did the same with the Star Wars May the 4th editions, suppose it's a way to try and get people to double dip?
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https://twitter.com/LimitedRunJosh/status/1258429690018246657
You can cancel if you contact customer support. We typically allow cancelations of preorder items while the preorder window is still active, which is the case with Streets of Rage 4.
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So why the claim to be exclusive all the time, when you KNOW for a FACT that someone else will be publishing it?
Especially so, when that same game that you claim to be an exclusive is getting a standard retail release.
Exclusive is a marketing term and is subjective at that. You see it all the time where a publisher will say a game is an exclusive, when it is either not actually exclusive (such as it is available for computers) or is a limited time exclusive such as COD content which has PS4 exclusivity for 1 week to 1 month only. Since the tweet from Josh Fairhurst says that after their sales period is over, then rights go back to whoever they licensed them from and a game can be re-released... it means that ALL of LRG's releases are limited time exclusives.
Another way a product can be exclusive is based upon regions. This happens a lot in the retail industry, moreso in the past than now, where a product will be a store exclusive but in actuality it is only to a store in a specific region. The product could then be sold by other stores in other regions. A recent example came up on Twitter, where the Sega Genesis 3 was a TRU exclusive, but was also available at other stores outside of TRU's sales area, even those residing in the same area code. An item may be announced as a store or website exclusive for a specific country and the exclusivity does not apply in countries outside of that pervue.
So the one thing to remember is that the term "exclusive" is first and foremost a marketing or adveritsing term. It is not set in stone, but only applies at the specific time a product is marketed. And when LRG is selling something as an "Exclusive" they are specifically referring to the entire product as a whole, not the game data or any particular included component. If you read into some of those tweets that Josh Fairhurst put (it might have been in another thread tho) he does point out the exclusive portion of any of their products are the things they specifically include that would not be present if another company released a version later on.
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It's being listed on Amazon.co.uk in-case anyone is interested:
PS4 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08896QFXV/
Switch - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08897VJNK/
@ GAME too:
PS4 - https://www.game.co.uk/en/streets-of-rage-4-2749321
XBOX1 - https://www.game.co.uk/en/streets-of-rage-4-2749327
Switch - https://www.game.co.uk/en/streets-of-rage-4-2749324
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Glad I waited. LRG has gone down a slippery slope. I haven't ordered from them in almost a year. At this point with all these releases, limited run has lost all meaning.
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Glad I waited. LRG has gone down a slippery slope. I haven't ordered from them in almost a year. At this point with all these releases, limited run has lost all meaning.
I was never huge in LRG but I did buy Bloodstained from them cuz I really liked the game so I felt having a physical copy would be nice. Same with Streets Of Rage 4 however I am not the biggest fan of them. I understand selling physical copies of games that are digital only as a nice touch for those who want it but when decided to sell The Jak Trilogy which were basically the upscale PS4 releases of PS2 games I was like now hold up. Same thing with Star Wars Bounty Hunter, Indigo Prophecy as in all games that can already be obtained and not very pricey mind you elsewhere. Oh and dont get me started on Star Wars NES. Point is the whole point of LRG is being lost but hey as long as people are willing to buy, they will make more.
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More like LRL.
All I wanna say is thank god that a game like SoR4 physical isn't squandered as a gimmicky collector's trinket exclusively. How lame would that be? Streets of Rage for the masses!
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Well LRG just announced that basically they are going to make sure all future contracts are written with worldwide exclusivity atleast until they are ready to ship. ::)
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Streets of Rage 4 now available for pre-order on US Amazon
PS4: https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0889WWYS7/ref=nosim/cheapassgam08-20
Xbox: https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B088B46TX3/ref=nosim/cheapassgam08-20
Links are from cheapassgamer as I couldnt find them via search
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love LRG at some point, hate it on other point.
i badly want street of rage 4, but i'm so glad I didn't buy it from lrg (as I live in france, i'll get a EU version cheaper)
I don't care about limited game etc etc (I have plenty of LRG release, they are all open, and I played to all of them) but I care about getting a physical copy
I wish they'll get back less into making hard money, and more into getting physical games that NEED to be done physical (like street of rage : they was knowing for ure it would get retail release) (and yes, I know it is a "dream"
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I'm trying to get mine cancelled atm.
Josh said it would be fine to and to send him the number of my refund request and he'd get someone to look at it today.
Unfortunately all i've seen so far as that my ticket has been passed from one person to another, and i don't even know if they work on tickets during the weekend, and the sales seem to be final after sunday has passed when the pre-orders stop.
I'll give updates as things happen, but i'll be honest, it's not looking good :(
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I'm trying to get mine cancelled atm.
Josh said it would be fine to and to send him the number of my refund request and he'd get someone to look at it today.
Unfortunately all i've seen so far as that my ticket has been passed from one person to another, and i don't even know if they work on tickets during the weekend, and the sales seem to be final after sunday has passed when the pre-orders stop.
I'll give updates as things happen, but i'll be honest, it's not looking good :(
same. Im expecting them to make an ordeal after the preorder window closes.
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Last game I bought from LRG was Spelunky. Haven't really seen any releases that have been worthy buying for me.
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I'm trying to get mine cancelled atm.
Josh said it would be fine to and to send him the number of my refund request and he'd get someone to look at it today.
Unfortunately all i've seen so far as that my ticket has been passed from one person to another, and i don't even know if they work on tickets during the weekend, and the sales seem to be final after sunday has passed when the pre-orders stop.
I'll give updates as things happen, but i'll be honest, it's not looking good :(
same. Im expecting them to make an ordeal after the preorder window closes.
Tbh i'm expecting a 'sorry we couldn't fulfill your request in time, but it's too late now since the preorder windows have closed'.
What i don't understand is that other people who made a cancellation request AFTER i did have told me that their cancellations have gone through without a hitch :-\
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Well it's now sunday, and still no one has responded to my ticket that i posted on Friday the second i found out it was possible to cancel the order. I've resorted to sending a private message to Josh on twitter around 3 hours ago and have had no response from anyone, and the preorders close today :-\
EDIT: I'm starting to get the feeling i'm being completely ignored.
I added an extra message to my ticket on LRG support, i messaged Josh on twitter 6 hrs ago and he's been posting info to other people as of 3 hrs ago.
And i made a post about it to LRG official twitter.
No one has got back to me on it, and the time frame for cancelling it is getting closer and closer.
I honestly don't know what to do anymore. What's the point of telling me i can cancel something when the request is ignored, and if i want information no one is willing to talk to me? :(
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Never been a fan of LRG
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I’m a fan
They have done a lot to get smaller developers exposure. They’ve done a lot to let us have physical versions of games that would otherwise be digital only. The new preorder system makes it way easier to get the games you want.
LRG is pretty developer friendly. They give those developers the publishing rights back after their run of the game.
I really don’t see what’s not to like.
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Fortunatley, my refund went through and so should anyones who put the refund request in before the pre-orders ended. Phew!
I got mine and thank god that's over, though it has made me more wary of bigger titles LRG put out from this point forward :/
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I’m a fan
They have done a lot to get smaller developers exposure. They’ve done a lot to let us have physical versions of games that would otherwise be digital only. The new preorder system makes it way easier to get the games you want.
LRG is pretty developer friendly. They give those developers the publishing rights back after their run of the game.
I really don’t see what’s not to like.
Physical versions of games we wouldn't otherwise see physically without companies like LRG is a great idea on paper.
Unfortuantely, some of the decisions LRG has made over the past few years have shown that when it comes to customers, a lot of the time it's either them not knowing what people want or simply not caring.
The removal of the hold order system was a big one for people over seas (like myself), since now every game you buy, even if it's a single game costs $15 in shipping every time. Let's say you have to pick up 2 games on the one day, and one sells out in the morning but you put the order in for the other game in the afternoon. They won't combine your morning and afternoon order, i know this after experiencing it myself a couple of times. That means you pay for the two games and two lots of $15 shipping, only to then receive both the games in the same package, again i know this because it's happened to me personally :/
Then there's the over saturation. The sheer amount of games that LRG put out in a year, exceeds EVERY publisher of games on the planet. Remember when there were loads of LRG full setters? I wonder how many of them there are now, given that CE's can cost anywhere between $50-$150+ now, and almost every single week there's at least 1 new game.
Let's not forget odd decisions like Lawbreakers, an entirely online based game printed on disc? Only to have certain people receive their games AFTER the servers went down, and ended up with a very pretty coaster.
Then games like Aaero having a price increase and only mentioning why AFTER the game went on sale.
They may be good for developers, but not so much for customers honestly.
Though i will admit, i do think they're doing a little better with the pre-orders lasting 4 weeks or more now.
Far more savvy business decision, and way better for the customers planning to make a larger order.
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I’m a fan
They have done a lot to get smaller developers exposure. They’ve done a lot to let us have physical versions of games that would otherwise be digital only. The new preorder system makes it way easier to get the games you want.
LRG is pretty developer friendly. They give those developers the publishing rights back after their run of the game.
I really don’t see what’s not to like.
Physical versions of games we wouldn't otherwise see physically without companies like LRG is a great idea on paper.
Unfortuantely, some of the decisions LRG has made over the past few years have shown that when it comes to customers, a lot of the time it's either them not knowing what people want or simply not caring.
The removal of the hold order system was a big one for people over seas (like myself), since now every game you buy, even if it's a single game costs $15 in shipping every time. Let's say you have to pick up 2 games on the one day, and one sells out in the morning but you put the order in for the other game in the afternoon. They won't combine your morning and afternoon order, i know this after experiencing it myself a couple of times. That means you pay for the two games and two lots of $15 shipping, only to then receive both the games in the same package, again i know this because it's happened to me personally :/
Then there's the over saturation. The sheer amount of games that LRG put out in a year, exceeds EVERY publisher of games on the planet. Remember when there were loads of LRG full setters? I wonder how many of them there are now, given that CE's can cost anywhere between $50-$150+ now, and almost every single week there's at least 1 new game.
Let's not forget odd decisions like Lawbreakers, an entirely online based game printed on disc? Only to have certain people receive their games AFTER the servers went down, and ended up with a very pretty coaster.
Then games like Aaero having a price increase and only mentioning why AFTER the game went on sale.
They may be good for developers, but not so much for customers honestly.
Though i will admit, i do think they're doing a little better with the pre-orders lasting 4 weeks or more now.
Far more savvy business decision, and way better for the customers planning to make a larger order.
The sheer amount of games that they release might be a blessing though, if people remembered the early lrg days, them games where scalped like crazy. nowadays way less of that and more people that just buy the games when they actually want them.
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The move to open preorder for a lot of their titles was also a big help imo.
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I cant stop thinking that other reason because they didnt tried to bring their forum back is for avoid future controversial subjects like this one lol
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I cant stop thinking that other reason because they didnt tried to bring their forum back is for avoid future controversial subjects like this one lol
More than likely, which is unfortunate imo.
Would have been nice to have some warning it was shutting down though, rather than trying to visit and being met with a wall of txt that basically says 'nothin to see here bro'.
@sworddude
That is true, plus the more LRG release it seems the less interested i am in a lot of their later titles. I had noticed quite a few of their games don't quite fetch the price they do on the after market these days, so you may have a point there.
@telly
This has been a god send! Don't get me wrong, the P&P has gone up again which has ticked me off a little, but the fact that i can hold off on purchases for 4 weeks or more, has defo helped me on the P&P front and being able to manage my money a lot better. Defo grateful for the open pre-order system that seems to be attached to most of their games now :)