Tuesday at 10 am?!? I'll be at work. I wonder if XBox knows that most people work... #DealWithIt
This post is so full of WIN!
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: jobocan on April 25, 2013, 09:21:23 am
10 am PDT... unless I'm forgetting something, that's 7 am over here... I'll be able to watch it before going to work, yay. My expectations are so low nothing they say will be able to hype me up :D
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on April 25, 2013, 11:25:12 am
I'm actually pretty excited about it. So far I have been underwhelmed with the next gen announcements. If they show a next gen Forza, I'm probably in. I'm also pretty certain that the no used games, always on DRM, XBox will become sentient and kill your puppy rumors to be false. I suspect it to always be on for friend alerts, behind the scenes updating, and the such. But I don't htink it will be anything like Diablo 3 or sim city. I just hope they actually roll out some strong franchises for the launch.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on April 25, 2013, 09:01:20 pm
I can wait for what ever is published about it on Youtube. Frankly my experience with the 360 has been a real disappointing experience. If wasn't for the great exclusive games, I would have sold it years ago. Microsoft does nothing that impresses me any more. Even their new console is another me-too console.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on April 25, 2013, 09:35:57 pm
EDIT: Reading over the post, it seems like this is directed at brunauss. It is not. More just the general feeling I get from multiple posts and such about being disappointed with the 360. brunauss just mentioned something I have seen a lot lately that I am confused by.
I'm surprised by all of the Microsoft hate. Am I the only person here who thinks that the 360 and the PS3 are essentially the same system? I know Mark of Classic Game Room has mentioned this several times. Same with Adam Koralik. But seriously, where does all the hate come from? Same games... same capabilities...
I can understand the hate of Microsoft as a company. I have been a linux or Apple user my whole life and really dislike Windows at a moral level. But I feel if you hate Microsoft you also should hate Sony. In my opinion, Sony is a much more evil company. Microsoft is just the lesser of two evils.
Moreover a lot of arguments I see are full of contradicting statements...
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Frankly my experience with the 360 has been a real disappointing experience.... Microsoft does nothing that impresses me any more.
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If wasn't for the great exclusive games, I would have sold it years ago.
Honestly, it just seems fashionable to hate the system right now.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: turf on April 25, 2013, 10:13:34 pm
I may be in the minority but I'm a Xbox fan. Sure, the 360 and PS3 do the same thing; but I like the 360 better. On top of that, Sony is the devil. As long as I can play used games and the games will play without being online, I'll get the next Xbox.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: jobocan on April 25, 2013, 11:02:30 pm
I'm surprised by all of the Microsoft hate. Am I the only person here who thinks that the 360 and the PS3 are essentially the same system?
That's my problem with that particular generation really, both of the "big" consoles were pretty much the exact same thing in regards to library, you could pick either of them and not really miss much of anything.
The only differences is that the 360's online was laggier, way overpriced and filled with ads, and I much prefer the PS3's controller (that horrible 360 d-pad made the simple task of navigating menus way more complicated than it needs to). The PS3 also had the more interesting exclusives (maybe I'm just saying that because of Disgaea and inFamous... and I'm not counting "equivalents" like Halo/Killzone, Gears/Uncharted, Forza/GT).
The only reason I have both is because of the bullet-hell shooters on the 360. Otherwise I'd have never touched the thing.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on April 26, 2013, 02:08:30 am
I'm not a hater and did not intend to be thought of as such. I'm disappointed in Microsoft Xbox because they can do better with the console itself and simply don't. The 360 completely depends on those exclusive games, online service and their marketing to carry it. But Microsoft makes these decisions, not me. I just don't want companies like Microsoft declaring foul, should a competitor come along with something that can carry itself unaided successfully. Sadly, I can see Microsoft being the first to attack said competitor.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on April 26, 2013, 02:29:51 am
I'm surprised by all of the Microsoft hate. Am I the only person here who thinks that the 360 and the PS3 are essentially the same system? I know Mark of Classic Game Room has mentioned this several times. Same with Adam Koralik. But seriously, where does all the hate come from? Same games... same capabilities...
I can understand the hate of Microsoft as a company. I have been a linux or Apple user my whole life and really dislike Windows at a moral level. But I feel if you hate Microsoft you also should hate Sony. In my opinion, Sony is a much more evil company. Microsoft is just the lesser of two evils.
I don't think anyone necessarily disagrees, and from my perspective, Sony, Microsoft, Apple, and Nintendo are equally guilty of doing evil shit over the years. So it really just comes down to precedent and personal preference. I've had overwhelmingly positive experiences with the PS1, PS2, and PS3, with each one offering up a great library of games and, barring my launch day PS2 developing disc read problems, the hardware has been solid and reliable. I also see them putting a lot of money and time into unusual stuff like Tokyo Jungle and LocoRoco, and whether those efforts are successful or not, I think it's a sign that they're at least trying.
By contrast, I've had good experiences with Nintendo hardware, and I especially love the DS and 3DS, but with their post-SNES consoles, I've been disappointed by a lot of their technical decisions, and have found it difficult at times to justify owning them, though there are some really great GameCube and Wii games out there. Even so, while I think their efforts are sometimes misguided, they do seem to be trying hard to become more well-rounded and in some ways, get back to their roots.
I don't have the first Xbox, but my experience with the Xbox 360 has soured me on Microsoft for a lot of reasons. My first system developed the red ring of death within the first three months, despite sitting on a fairly open air stand with no back or sides, and sounded like a jet engine when turned on. Before and after receiving the replacement from their support center, I had consistent issues where the disc suddenly seize up as unreadable while playing, even on completely brand new games. When I attempted to file a complaint with the BBB after the replacement started acting up, I received calls from Microsoft reps every single day, trying to get me to close it - I gave up after about a week or so, just so they would leave me alone, and the only thing ever offered was to send it to the same repair center I had before. Their cases used to be reasonably sturdy, but have now been changed to be as cheap and flimsy as possible. The user interface is crowded with ads and other nonsensical shit like Bing, to the extent that it's actually making it more of a pain in the ass to even get to game related things.
I could go on, but the point is, they had their shot to impress me, and they failed in virtually every way possible. I'm willing to give their next console a shot, but I need to see a lot more before I'm willing to give even an inch, and so far, the only semblance of PR that I've seen has been some prick of an executive telling people to "deal with" always-on gaming. That doesn't instill a lot of confidence. That's just my experience, though - I know plenty of people who absolutely love all things Xbox, and if my initial experience had been with the Slim model I currently have, my feelings might be a little more positive, too.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on April 26, 2013, 09:18:48 am
I love my 360. Love the controller, and the games and especially the ability to play a game without having to wait for it to install. The Live Arcade is awesome. I've never had a problem with their online speeds and they've always been stable. And if there was a problem, it was because of my friends crappy internet connection.
But once they started changing the user interface I slowly started disliking the presentation and emphasis on adverts. I was perfectly happy with the Blade interface and I liked the NXE interface. But the newest dashboard puts me off. It's horrible that in order to find my games, I have to sift through a bunch of bullshit. And the in tray game is delegated a tiny corner of the home screen.
All in all, I love the console, but dislike what they've done to it recently. There is too much emphasis on advertising and online features. And not enough on your games. Based on what I've seen on the direction the 360 is going and rumors of the next Xbox. I'm positive that my next console isn't going to be from Microsoft. I'm currently waiting to see what Sony does w/ the PS4 and whether or not the manage to screw up the launch of it.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: disgaeniac on April 26, 2013, 09:29:20 am
I don't hate the 360 at all - I just prefer the PS3 because it gets more of the games that I'm interested in (Niche/NIS RPG's, etc) -and- because, I personally very much prefer the controller.
Granted, I know that many people prefer the 360's controller, but, as a one-handed gamer...I find the ps3's controller easier & more comfortable to use.
Also...who knows...if my "formative" gaming years were on the X-Box instead of the ps1/ps2; and, I'd been playing w/ their controller for many years before losing my hand...maybe I would now find the 360's controller to be my preference.
At any rate - I have a *VERY* hard time tolerating people/discussions that are full of "fanboy/girl-ism"...IMHO...EVERYBODY should play WHATEVER games they like, on WHATEVER system(s) they like w/o ever thinking that they're the better for it -or- that others are the worse for liking/prefering something else.
/mini-rant :P
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: darko on April 26, 2013, 10:18:46 am
The biggest distinguishing factor this gen, for me, is the controller. I prefer the 360s, so I have more games for the system. Other than that - essentially the same thing when it comes to playing games.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: disgaeniac on April 26, 2013, 10:46:15 am
The biggest distinguishing factor this gen, for me, is the controller. I prefer the 360s, so I have more games for the system. Other than that - essentially the same thing when it comes to playing games.
Show-off :o
You made my point a lot quicker & w/ a lot less words ;)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on April 26, 2013, 11:14:22 am
I wasnt going to post here as everyone knows I hate Xbox systems. But I will give the main reason why and its simple : I have 3 broken xbox/360 systems in my house and no broken playstation systems.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on April 26, 2013, 11:20:12 am
I will mention that I have had 1 RROD 360 and 2 Disc read error PS2s. So any hardware has a chance to fail. All in all its like Ford and Chevy. You use what works for you. Which ever holds up best in each case is the one you stick with.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on April 26, 2013, 11:26:13 am
I wasnt going to post here as everyone knows I hate Xbox systems. But I will give the main reason why and its simple : I have 3 broken xbox/360 systems in my house and no broken playstation systems.
It must come down to personal experience. I have a pre HDMI 360 that I bought used that is still running strong. I just clean it of dust periodically. But I have had experience with 3 PS2s and all were horrible. One had faulty control ports, one had difficulty moving the laser. and one that someone I know has to play it upside down now. I always considered the PSX fairly rock solid. But after that the build quality was not the same. But I assume that is just the limited experience I have had with them.
But my dislike of Sony goes more toward the use of proprietary standards, advertising an open linux friendly system and taking it away, advertising backwards compatibility and taking it away, and so on, they are a very bait and switch company. I won't even mention the entertainment/music side of the company.
The XBox is just a PC. If anything goes wrong, it can be fixed easily. They released development tools, and the XBox has one of the best most lively mod scenes because of that. I think that is what I like about them.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: mchaso on April 26, 2013, 11:27:58 am
I wasnt going to post here as everyone knows I hate Xbox systems. But I will give the main reason why and its simple : I have 3 broken xbox/360 systems in my house and no broken playstation systems.
My xbox 360 is almost 2 years old and it hasn't broken down yet. I know some people whose xbox got a RRoD after one year. You just gotta take good care of it that's all.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on April 26, 2013, 11:32:53 am
Its also a Sony thing for me. I played Everquest for 11 years ... I love the RPG options on the PS1/2 ... I prefer the Playstation controller to the original Xbox football sized controller. Why do people hate certain football teams or whatever? Cause they are "mortal enemy" of the team they like. OU vs OSU ... Red sox vs Yankees ... cats vs dogs ... And as Scott said, Chevy vs Ford. I wont ever tell a person to never play an Xbox system, I just dont use them myself.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on April 26, 2013, 01:30:34 pm
I wasnt going to post here as everyone knows I hate Xbox systems. But I will give the main reason why and its simple : I have 3 broken xbox/360 systems in my house and no broken playstation systems.
Really? I'm on my 3rd PS2, and I know many people that have gone through more than one.
On the other hand I still have the same original XBox. And I have my original white model XBox 360 still (although it is getting pretty loud, it might not much have life left in it).
I also just replaced my Saturn and my Sega CD died a year back. So these things aren't just confined to one brand, anyways.
It's just crazy that you pick PlayStation systems as the most reliable when PS2s are notorious for going out.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: darko on April 26, 2013, 01:36:02 pm
I wasnt going to post here as everyone knows I hate Xbox systems. But I will give the main reason why and its simple : I have 3 broken xbox/360 systems in my house and no broken playstation systems.
Really? I'm on my 3rd PS2, and I know many people that have gone through more than one.
On the other hand I still have the same original XBox. And I have my original white model XBox 360 still (although it is getting pretty loud, it might not much have life left in it).
I also just replaced my Saturn and my Sega CD died a year back. So these things aren't just confined to one brand, anyways.
It's just crazy that you pick PlayStation systems as the most reliable when PS2s are notorious for going out.
I've had the same PS2 since the first year they launched and never had any issue with it. I've also had a 360 since the beginning and it's still going strong. The "THIS SYSTEM BREAKS DOWN MORE THAN THAT ONE" argument is frivolous and naive. All electronics hold the potential for issues. It's the nature of the beast. PS3s overheat, 360s overheat, etc, etc, etc. It's just not a valid argument in either direction and it amazes me that people still cling to it as a justification for their personal preference. You shouldn't need justification for a personal preference after you've made a decision.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on April 26, 2013, 01:46:52 pm
The 360 completely depends on those exclusive games, online service and their marketing to carry it.
I don't understand why these are complaints. These are things that all successful consoles do.
Because in the long term, it can be damaging, if they continue to bring nothing new to the table that actually pushes the console industry forward in these areas. Sony already has with Home and truly massive multiplayer online with its exclusive titles. Microsoft claimed their system was just as powerful, but have yet to yield an exclusive title capable of 64+ players in an arena.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on April 26, 2013, 01:49:55 pm
It's just crazy that you pick PlayStation systems as the most reliable when PS2s are notorious for going out.
While they may not be as reliable for some people, they are for me. I have my original PS1 and PSOne, PS2, and PS3. And as I mentioned before, its not my only defining reason, just one of many. I really dont want to get into a PS vs Xbox argument on this thread and hesitated to post at all. I dont expect anyone to jump on the Sony ship just cause of my recommendations and hope no one expects me to fly toward a Microsoft ship either.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on April 26, 2013, 02:15:19 pm
I wasnt going to post here as everyone knows I hate Xbox systems. But I will give the main reason why and its simple : I have 3 broken xbox/360 systems in my house and no broken playstation systems.
Really? I'm on my 3rd PS2, and I know many people that have gone through more than one.
On the other hand I still have the same original XBox. And I have my original white model XBox 360 still (although it is getting pretty loud, it might not much have life left in it).
I also just replaced my Saturn and my Sega CD died a year back. So these things aren't just confined to one brand, anyways.
It's just crazy that you pick PlayStation systems as the most reliable when PS2s are notorious for going out.
I've had the same PS2 since the first year they launched and never had any issue with it. I've also had a 360 since the beginning and it's still going strong. The "THIS SYSTEM BREAKS DOWN MORE THAN THAT ONE" argument is frivolous and naive. All electronics hold the potential for issues. It's the nature of the beast. PS3s overheat, 360s overheat, etc, etc, etc. It's just not a valid argument in either direction and it amazes me that people still cling to it as a justification for their personal preference. You shouldn't need justification for a personal preference after you've made a decision.
Which is why I threw that highlighted part of my post in there. All cd-based system eventually go out. I was just pointing out that PlayStation is far from innocent in that regard.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on April 26, 2013, 03:02:28 pm
Bringing this thread back around to the new Xbox...
Microsoft should seriously reconsider the always online feature. This is one industry push forward that will end up alienating a lot of gamers. My state is among those that will suffer in this department. The city I moved to was finally upgraded to fiber optics and thus the internet speed was boosted from 3 megs to 10 megs. My area isn't the only one however. There are many locations across the country that simply are not important enough to be upgraded. The situation gets worse should the new Xbox actually favor connection speeds greater than what I have now. This is one of many factors that hurt the upgraded Playstation Network during its first couple of years. The PS3 was simply too fickle about the connection. That and everyone finding out about the default NAT 3 setting being a problem in households with routers.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: turf on April 26, 2013, 03:34:18 pm
If any system depends on Internet speed to work, I'm out. I live in rural northern Arkansas. We don't have the luxury of speedy Internet. I have to upgrade to a higher speed just to use Netflix.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on April 26, 2013, 04:11:58 pm
If any system depends on Internet speed to work, I'm out. I live in rural northern Arkansas. We don't have the luxury of speedy Internet. I have to upgrade to a higher speed just to use Netflix.
My PS3 was probably laughing hysterically inside, after moving out to my new place last year, while attempting to connect online *L* The fiberoptic upgrade was completed only 4 months ago here.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on April 26, 2013, 04:54:42 pm
The "THIS SYSTEM BREAKS DOWN MORE THAN THAT ONE" argument is frivolous and naive. All electronics hold the potential for issues. It's the nature of the beast. PS3s overheat, 360s overheat, etc, etc, etc. It's just not a valid argument in either direction and it amazes me that people still cling to it as a justification for their personal preference.
It's not always frivolous and naive. The Jaguar CD was built poorly. Most models of 3DO were built poorly. The ribbons in the 32X are poorly set.
However, I definitely agree with your statement on the PS3 vs 360. Although, I would be tempted to say the old 360 is less reliable. From my experience it does have a fatal flaw in dust build up. Everything that works like a PC needs to be cleaned inside, but the XBox does have it more than the others. They also make it difficult to get inside (unless you have the tool or know where to pop the latches. If you know how to maintain the XBox 360, they are solid. But this is something that should not have been as bad as it was. I do not think the 360 is on the unreliable level of Jaguar CD or 3DO though.
But then there are the things that are somewhat unavoidable and just come with old age. For instance, lasers go out eventually. Most things are just maintenance issues. If you own a motorcycle, you have to do valve adjustments. You have to change the oil in your car or motorcycle. This is normal. A 1976 Pinto is not normal. This is the Jaguar CD.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: jobocan on April 26, 2013, 06:37:35 pm
I wasnt going to post here as everyone knows I hate Xbox systems. But I will give the main reason why and its simple : I have 3 broken xbox/360 systems in my house and no broken playstation systems.
This is funny because I only ever had one broken PS3, and it just fixed itself after I bought a replacement. No idea how that happened. No broken 360s yet, I just got rid of my first one because I didn't like it :P
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on April 27, 2013, 03:05:46 am
I have the 32X sin2beta. Are you game for giving some operating advice. Have a couple of games that aren't behaving properly.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on April 27, 2013, 12:06:40 pm
I have the 32X sin2beta. Are you game for giving some operating advice. Have a couple of games that aren't behaving properly.
If its a couple of games, it sounds like the system pins are dirty. Because some of the processing is done by the genesis, I would clean the genesis as well. There are four things you need to clean to be sure. 1) Genesis pins 2) 32x cartridge like bottom that goes into the Genesis 3) 32x pins 4) 32x game. Here is a video with a clean strategy for the 32x
You can also watch part 1 and see if that is a similar problem you are having.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on April 27, 2013, 02:02:52 pm
Hey I recognize that bloke's voice and modded original Xbox in the background. So he has a channel now AND I can get in touch with him again. I have some cook top cleaner for those more accessible contact points on the cartridges themselves. Thank you :)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 20, 2013, 10:44:36 pm
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: desocietas on May 21, 2013, 01:13:43 pm
"XBOX ONE"? Really?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 21, 2013, 01:16:06 pm
This is a joke announcement right? Its April 1st, right?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: desocietas on May 21, 2013, 01:21:23 pm
Too bad we have to wait another month to see what the PS4 looks like, though I suspect both will have a very similar looking "Kinect" add-on.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 21, 2013, 01:27:48 pm
It actually has been a pretty decent announcement this far. Mainly because there actually seems to be information on the system and interface. It looks nice. The dashboard looks good and fairly ad free.
Most importantly they are talking about internet services and such without any hiccups on the live stream.
Hopefully they show some games.
I also don't understand the name though.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 21, 2013, 01:41:40 pm
I stopped paying attention after the Kinect requirement.
I'm now just waiting on the PS4 announcement to see if I go Wii U, or hop back to PC gaming.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: desocietas on May 21, 2013, 01:43:29 pm
I don't mind the Kinect requirement, but I look forward to hearing about what's going on with internet requirements. Also... price point, of course!
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 21, 2013, 01:44:00 pm
NHL FIFA Madden UFC Forza 5 Quantum Break
15 exclusive games in first year with 8 new franchises.
The rest I will have to catch up on later. I like that they put an emphasis on mentioning exclusives and gave us a peek at one in Quantum Break (not much shown though).
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 21, 2013, 01:47:55 pm
Wait, so Madden is gonna be exclusive to the Xbox One? Oh man, is my cousin gonna be pissed off, haha.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 21, 2013, 01:51:46 pm
Wait, so Madden is gonna be exclusive to the Xbox One? Oh man, is my cousin gonna be pissed off, haha.
No. EA mentioned some deal with XBox. But it is only things like ultimate team mode for FIFA. EA should be on PS4
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 21, 2013, 01:54:19 pm
Ah, k. I thought it sounded strange.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: turf on May 21, 2013, 01:55:21 pm
Unless something badass happens at E3, I'm out. I'm gonna stick with my WiiU. I'm happy with it.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 21, 2013, 02:02:09 pm
Yeah, pretty much all of the announcements have gone pretty much expected so far. I think people who were looking at PS4 will get PS4 and those looking at XBox before the announcements will still go XBox. etc.
It really just seems to be a refinement of last gen. More polygons, more interconnectivity, and so on.
For me, it basically came down to Forza. I know I will miss that game if I go PS or Nintendo.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: turf on May 21, 2013, 02:16:50 pm
I may get one down the line, but you won't catch me standing in line. Anyone heard any prices?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: desocietas on May 21, 2013, 02:17:55 pm
yeah, the announcement was more of the same usual stuff from Microsoft:
- look, more pixels - look, you can still watch tv! - look, we like sports
Nothing really new, just refining and updating for the new technology. I was excited about my 360 when I initially got it, and even for the Kinect, but the last year it's been abandoned by both me and Microsoft, so I can't say I'm all that enthused about the One.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: disgaeniac on May 21, 2013, 02:25:29 pm
Yeah, pretty much all of the announcements have gone pretty much expected so far. I think people who were looking at PS4 will get PS4 and those looking at XBox before the announcements will still go XBox. etc.
It really just seems to be a refinement of last gen. More polygons, more interconnectivity, and so on.
I think so too...count me in the PS4 camp...for the moment, at least :)
Any confirmation/denial/explanation of the whole "Always On-line"/"#dealwithit" thing?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on May 21, 2013, 02:25:43 pm
i'm not sure what to say about xbox one other then it wasn't impressive
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: matt on May 21, 2013, 02:43:24 pm
While walking around Maker Faire this weekend, I kept looking over at the Nvidia booth (which had workshops on taking a computer apart and putting it back together again, I think?) and thinking, "Maybe I should just buy a new graphics card instead of a PS3/PS4/Wii U..."
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on May 21, 2013, 03:29:35 pm
i'm not sure what to say about xbox one other then it wasn't impressive
I agree. Too much non-gaming stuff was featured. I don't watch TV or care about Kinect or voice integration or any of that non-gaming shit.
E3 will show more xbox one games but to me it feels like games secondary to microsoft and everything else is comes first. they just went on and on about tv,voice and kinect integration and spend little time on the specs and games,
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: insektmute on May 21, 2013, 04:58:58 pm
scott, foxhack, and kimimi have already seen me rant away on twitter, so I'll summarize my thoughts as simple saying that locking games to individual user accounts is enough to make me not give a crap. The persistent focus on everything but video games isn't particularly encouraging either, so I think I'll be sticking with PC and PS4 for the anything 'next' gen.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 21, 2013, 06:05:10 pm
I don't recall them talking about locking games to individual accounts. Last I knew that was still in the rumor mill.
I actually liked the XBox press conference more than the others. We got to see a system, look at what we as users will see. We did not see much on games, but really, aside from seeing CG movies, no one showed much and I would not expect to see any.
I was expecting both Forza and Halo. Glad for Forza, surprised but glad there was no Halo (Halo 4 was just released after all).
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: thomascozine on May 21, 2013, 06:31:19 pm
I'm still looking forward to, and would rather get, a Wii U. Unless Microsoft can impress me at E3, with some killer games, I'm still gonna buy a Wii U first.
I'm a gamer first and foremost. I don't really care for all the bells and whistles the system can do so long as the games I play are fun. I don't care about graphic fidelity so much as I care about actual gameplay. That's why I have also waited to get a Wii U. There just hasn't been that killer app for it yet for me. But Nintendo is rolling out the games recently and that makes me want a Wii U first.
The PS4 and XBox One (Really hate that name by the way) have some great horsepower, but I see nothing that makes me go: "I want that system." They don't have enough focus on what I want...the games.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: tpugmire on May 21, 2013, 06:45:44 pm
Since I've only had my 360 for about a year and only own 3 games (2 of which were bundled with the console), I see no reason to be excited. It looks like its just an upgrade of the same thing I already have. I don't care about all the non-gaming stuff either. I may get one eventually, but there's no hurry for me.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on May 21, 2013, 07:37:13 pm
I just saw the photo of the thing.
THIS IS A FREAKIN' BETAMAX PLAYER.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 21, 2013, 08:21:15 pm
It does look like one doesn't it. I do kind of like the design though. Not my favorite design, but I like it. I would probably ooh and aah taking it out of the box. I won't lie about that.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 21, 2013, 08:23:31 pm
I lol'd
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 21, 2013, 08:29:28 pm
I'm starting to see the reaction and stories on youtube regarding that each gam is tied to an account and fees for used games (What insektmute was saying). I don't know how legit it is now. But it does not look good now. If this is the case, I may not be picking up Forza 5. This will give me lots of time to concentrate on the SEGA collection. Which in all honesty kind of excites me.
I'm starting to see the reaction and stories on youtube regarding that each game is tied to an account and fees for used games (What insektmute was saying). I don't know how legit it is now. But it does not look good now.
I'm starting to see the reaction and stories on youtube regarding that each game is tied to an account and fees for used games (What insektmute was saying). I don't know how legit it is now. But it does not look good now.
that is enough to make me say right now I'm not getting an Xbox One.
Not rude at all. Actually it was the Wired article that made me think it was still rumor. Everything providing quotes was just going to that article. It was not until I saw Larry "major Nelson" commenting on it that I figured it was legit. I tend to be skeptical of every news source quoting the exact same news source.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 21, 2013, 08:47:30 pm
I'd like to point out that today I also cancelled recurring billing on my XBL account.
I'm not doing it today. But I was thinking about looking at all SEGA collecting. It is taking pretty much all of my attention anyway. But I might very well cancel XBL very soon and focus that collection even more as I move to my new apartment.
The current XBox is still good. I'm just already on the fence of going all SEGA anyway for console. Switching to PC and emulation for everything else.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 21, 2013, 08:49:22 pm
The way I looked at it was, I don't game online with friends on it anymore. I'm not going for the Xbox One and I use the PS3 for Netflix/streaming anyway. So what's the point of keeping it?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: pacpix on May 21, 2013, 08:49:58 pm
@Scott Ha that video was awesome!
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on May 21, 2013, 09:01:42 pm
I'm pretty worried Microsoft might try to do something similar on PC. Which would suck for me. GFWL was bad enough!
I don't want any Windows 8 exclusive games... they already exist... :(
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: redblaze57 on May 21, 2013, 10:18:09 pm
I haven't even been on xbox live since before I got the Wii U, and right now my thought process as of late for multi-plat games has been Wii U>PS3>360
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on May 21, 2013, 10:57:09 pm
is it just me or dose it looks like almost no one wants the xbox one?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 21, 2013, 11:15:04 pm
I haven't even been on xbox live since before I got the Wii U, and right now my thought process as of late for multi-plat games has been Wii U>PS3>360
WiiU - Least evil of all. Fantastic system for a Nintendo fan. I'm just not a big modern Nintendo fan. The games are good. They just don't speak to me. I hope the WiiU wins.
PS4 - I dislike Sony controllers and the exclusives don't speak to me. I also think Sony is one of the most evil companies. I suspect they will follow Microsoft's route.
XBox|One - Would be my choice if not for the used game registering and fees. This by itself puts me in the pass category.
PC - Would be the way I will probably go, but suffers several problems. Windows suffers the same issue. You have to deal with Microsoft. Steam on Mac is pretty decent, but Mac hardware is annoying to keep up with. Steam Linux and the Steambox might get better... hopefully....
Also, PC is no better than XBox. The used game market has been dead on PC for a while. If I complain about the problems on XBox|One, can I go to PC gaming without being a hypocrite? XBox|One seems more liberal on used games and ownership of media than PC games.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 21, 2013, 11:15:40 pm
is it just me or dose it looks like almost no one wants the xbox one?
I would want one if not for the used game thing.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: mkarasch on May 21, 2013, 11:30:51 pm
It looks neat, and I'm guardedly optimistic about the kinect, the force feedback controller, and the menu integration (I mean, how long do we have to wait for someone to allow me to play another game while I wait for something in my primary game.)
However, I buy 9/10 games used, so yeah, that would also probably be a deal breaker for me, at least in the short run.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: kimimi on May 21, 2013, 11:32:21 pm
I really liked this presentation - it means I can happily continue buying Japanese Saturn games and know I'm not missing out on a single thing :)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 21, 2013, 11:35:27 pm
I really liked this presentation - it means I can happily continue buying Japanese Saturn games and know I'm not missing out on a single thing :)
I think you condensed my 6 posts in one sentence. SEGA collection for the win.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: kimimi on May 21, 2013, 11:45:57 pm
It's a shame it's true but I could pull any Sega game off my shelf and I guarantee I'd enjoy it more than all of those games they showed for the Xbox One yesterday :/
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on May 21, 2013, 11:49:56 pm
Just watched the new Xbox One press conference and have one final verdict. Everything that was spoken and shown felt like a repeat of the Xbox 360 press conference. All cosmetic differences aside, nothing felt any different or better than what Sony showed us with their system and games. The whole conference can be summed up into two words: Me Too.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: desocietas on May 22, 2013, 02:00:30 am
Just watched the new Xbox One press conference and have one final verdict. Everything that was spoken and shown felt like a repeat of the Xbox 360 press conference. All cosmetic differences aside, nothing felt any different or better than what Sony showed us with their system and games. The whole conference can be summed up into two words: Me Too.
Couldn't agree more. Said the same thing to Scott earlier tonight - nothing new, nothing innovative... all just floundering to "keep up" with whatever they think their market likes and getting it all wrong.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: theflea on May 22, 2013, 02:47:35 am
Well I for one will not buy this system (at least not at launch)as long as it has the feature of you have to be online and register all your games and you have to pay a fee to play used games. I'm not gonna invest $400-$600 on a console that within 10 years will be nothing but a big paperweight and its games coasters. And this is coming from a Xbox fanboy, I have over 400 games in my collection, (80% of them i bought new) I might pick one up after a few years and they drop the price, but only to play the few exclusives. I wont be buying many games for this, and not at full $60+ price.
I really hope theres a huge backlash from Xbox fans and maybe MS will listen, because if they do release the system with this feature, Sony is gonna kill em. I really want to get this system, but not with the online only and no used games feature. It's pointless to collect. So far I'm getting a PS4 and passing on the (god i hate this name) Xbox One.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: thomascozine on May 22, 2013, 03:05:43 am
After everything I've read I'm not interested at all in the XBox One. 3 main reasons. First, not backwards compatible. That's just bullshit in my opinion. Sure, the PS4 isn't either, but at least that's my only issue with it. Second, it does need to be internet connected. At least once every 24 hours. There are still places in America with dial-up! How can you think this was a good idea? Third, all games require an activation code. Games are tied to the system. How dare Microsoft implent such a thing. This makes future collecting for the system impossible.
To hell with the XBox One. Microsoft wants to treat their customers like potential pirates the fuck them.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: psydswipe on May 22, 2013, 06:36:00 am
I really liked this presentation - it means I can happily continue buying Japanese Saturn games and know I'm not missing out on a single thing :)
I think you condensed my 6 posts in one sentence. SEGA collection for the win.
And now Sega can make their return to the console business with a pure gaming machine! ;D Just kidding, I know that's not going to happen. With my limited time on the Wii U I didn't like it, the Xbox One's game activation codes turn me off, and the PS4 didn't show me anything yet. I would lean toward the PS4 though if I were to get a new console. Sega did put Valkyria Chronicles and Yakuza on PS3 so it seems likely if they ever make Shenmue III it will go to PS4 :D
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: disgaeniac on May 22, 2013, 09:52:33 am
@Desocietas -
So...how's that Ouya?!
Also, IMO, M$ & Sony are probably equally "evil" 8)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: turf on May 22, 2013, 10:59:08 am
The more I read about this and the more I think about it, there is only one thing that keeps me from being into the Xbox One.
The fact that this thing is going to be as useful as tits on a boar hog in 10 years. The internet connection and the fees for used games make this thing useless when the Xbox Pi (or whatever they want to call it.) comes out.
Like Flea said, I don't want to invest money in something that will be dead in a few years.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: insektmute on May 22, 2013, 12:47:12 pm
Not rude at all. Actually it was the Wired article that made me think it was still rumor. Everything providing quotes was just going to that article. It was not until I saw Larry "major Nelson" commenting on it that I figured it was legit. I tend to be skeptical of every news source quoting the exact same news source.
I'd seen the Wired article initially, but saw it echoed elsewhere a few hours after it made the rounds, including from MS sources like Larry Hryb. Definitely not something that's gonna fly with people as word gets out, I think.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on May 22, 2013, 12:55:42 pm
So I'm late to this, I know. I had to work, as I'm sure a lot of other people did at 1 in the afternoon.
But I really only have 2 things to say about it:
1. The hardware itself looks reminiscent of the original Xbox.
2. The only real upgrades I can see is that it plays live T.V., you can control it with your smart-phone, and you can record live gameplay.
Well, I can already watch live T.V. by simply turning off my XBox.
What's so hard about using a controller to control your Xbox? The smart-phone control upgrade really doesn't make sense to me.
Recording gameplay is admittedly pretty cool. But I'm not buying a whole new console just based on that.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on May 22, 2013, 01:02:00 pm
Well I for one will not buy this system (at least not at launch)as long as it has the feature of you have to be online and register all your games and you have to pay a fee to play used games. I'm not gonna invest $400-$600 on a console that within 10 years will be nothing but a big paperweight and its games coasters. And this is coming from a Xbox fanboy, I have over 400 games in my collection, (80% of them i bought new) I might pick one up after a few years and they drop the price, but only to play the few exclusives. I wont be buying many games for this, and not at full $60+ price.
I really hope theres a huge backlash from Xbox fans and maybe MS will listen, because if they do release the system with this feature, Sony is gonna kill em. I really want to get this system, but not with the online only and no used games feature. It's pointless to collect. So far I'm getting a PS4 and passing on the (god i hate this name) Xbox One.
Was once a Xbox fan boy meself. Then halfway through this generation I resigned with buying the PS3 and began migrating my gaming over to it, after dealing with shipping my Xbox in repeatedly for repairs. The final push was when Microsoft announced they had finally fixed all the hardware issues and unveiled the REdesigned Xbox. The only thing they had to change was that outside shell and ventilate it better. They didn't have to change just about everything on it.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: insektmute on May 22, 2013, 01:02:40 pm
Hard drives confirmed to be non-replaceable, according to an interview with Engadget - http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hard-drive. Looks like they're sticking with the Wii U approach on that.
It's worth noting that since game installs are locked to accounts, but you can install games to external hard drives, this also tells us that game installs are also locked to each individual console, too - not just the account.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on May 22, 2013, 01:10:11 pm
Hard drives confirmed to be non-replaceable, according to an interview with Engadget - http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hard-drive. Looks like they're sticking with the Wii U approach on that.
It's worth noting that since game installs are locked to accounts, but you can install games to external hard drives, this also tells us that game installs are also locked to each individual console, too - not just the account.
No replaceable hard drive? Are they ... yes, yes they are.
Idiots. IDIOTS.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on May 22, 2013, 01:11:30 pm
So then if I buy a launch console, and opt for a smaller hard-drive because the consoles are so expensive at launch; I can't replace it down the road with a larger hard-drive? I have to go buy a whole new console?! What a bunch of crap!
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on May 22, 2013, 01:12:21 pm
Hard drives confirmed to be non-replaceable, according to an interview with Engadget - http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hard-drive. Looks like they're sticking with the Wii U approach on that.
It's worth noting that since game installs are locked to accounts, but you can install games to external hard drives, this also tells us that game installs are also locked to each individual console, too - not just the account.
Microsoft is doing it again. Everything in the box. Live within the box. Don't go beyond the box, unless its connected to another box or the cloud. So this is what vindication feels like. I told people for years this is what Microsoft does. Now a sufficient number of people are finally seeing this and broadcasting it.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on May 22, 2013, 01:14:03 pm
So then if I buy a launch console, and opt for a smaller hard-drive because the consoles are so expensive at launch; I can't replace it down the road with a larger hard-drive? I have to go buy a whole new console?! What a bunch of crap!
"Don't mess with the box. The box is perfect." *L*
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: disgaeniac on May 22, 2013, 01:20:20 pm
So then if I buy a launch console, and opt for a smaller hard-drive because the consoles are so expensive at launch; I can't replace it down the road with a larger hard-drive? I have to go buy a whole new console?! What a bunch of crap!
Or, I guess, if the drive crashes; what, you'll need to buy another new console *instead* of just replacing it with a new/working drive? :o
How many models (different-sized hard drives) were announced -and- were any prices given?
Tbqh - I don't even care enough about it to look for/read about their presentation ;)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: desocietas on May 22, 2013, 01:52:58 pm
Also, IMO, M$ & Sony are probably equally "evil" 8)
Haha, I still haven't turned on my Ouya since that initial day after receiving it. It's certainly not going to affect the bigger consoles, and with its current interface, I will probably ignore it until its official launch. My other HUGE issue with it so far is that I didn't know that I wouldn't be able to play the games I already own on Android. Games that I can already play on a number of devices. I know I shouldn't whine as multi-platform purchases are newish and not the norm, but it's still a little annoying as I felt like they were advertising the idea of playing games on the tv that would normally only be on your phone.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on May 22, 2013, 01:53:20 pm
Or, I guess, if the drive crashes; what, you'll need to buy another new console *instead* of just replacing it with a new/working drive? :o
I'd suspect your warranty would cover it.
Possibly.
And...if it crashes the day after the warranty expires = you're fucked; huh?!
Unless, you pay them more money for the extended warranty and don't forget to renew it every year. The warranty renewal costs the initial $110 and then $60 yearly to keep it valid.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on May 22, 2013, 05:15:56 pm
Or, I guess, if the drive crashes; what, you'll need to buy another new console *instead* of just replacing it with a new/working drive? :o
I'd suspect your warranty would cover it.
Possibly.
And...if it crashes the day after the warranty expires = you're fucked; huh?!
That's not any different than how things are right now.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 22, 2013, 06:31:09 pm
The hard drive doesn't bother me too much. It is fairly trivial to replace the hard drives on the current ones. And I mean this in the opening up the old style enclosure, taking the drive out to put in the new style enclosure and such.
Also, am I misreading the tied to a console aspect? Larry Hryb stated that you can bring your game to a friends house and play it. You just have to sign in to your account. This is done as a very transparent up sale as once you leave their house, the friend already has the game on their hard drive, they just have to pay the fee to get access from their account. It looks like games move from system to system very easily. Obviously in the hopes of more sales.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 22, 2013, 07:18:15 pm
I thought I read somewhere out there, that if you had a "used" game and installed it on your drive. That once you payed for the "used game tax" the game would activate on your console and deactivate on the originally installed console somehow.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on May 22, 2013, 07:34:45 pm
the best video a about the xbox one
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: thomascozine on May 22, 2013, 07:41:24 pm
I thought I read somewhere out there, that if you had a "used" game and installed it on your drive. That once you payed for the "used game tax" the game would activate on your console and deactivate on the originally installed console somehow.
I haven't heard of a "used game tax." Rather, according to everything said by Microsoft employees, it's repurchasing the activation code. Which will be the same price as a new game. Say, I had a XBox One game, hereafter referred to as XBone. If you wanted to play my copy on your XBone you would either have to play it with my profile, or buy the activation code to play it on your profile.
They claim that they will have a solution so you can sell used games that they will reveal later. Kotaku believes that this will be a un-consumer friendly process. Whereby you'd basically sell the activation code back though XBox LIVE or something.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 22, 2013, 08:07:30 pm
I thought I read somewhere out there, that if you had a "used" game and installed it on your drive. That once you payed for the "used game tax" the game would activate on your console and deactivate on the originally installed console somehow.
From what I read that is if you sell the game. So, someone with the actual disk can deactivate your copy. Seems to be an issue on theft. But as long as you have the original disk, you can reinstall on anything and have it on multiple as long as it does not go to a different account. That is my understanding.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 22, 2013, 08:11:26 pm
I thought I read somewhere out there, that if you had a "used" game and installed it on your drive. That once you payed for the "used game tax" the game would activate on your console and deactivate on the originally installed console somehow.
I haven't heard of a "used game tax." Rather, according to everything said by Microsoft employees, it's repurchasing the activation code. Which will be the same price as a new game. Say, I had a XBox One game, hereafter referred to as XBone. If you wanted to play my copy on your XBone you would either have to play it with my profile, or buy the activation code to play it on your profile.
They claim that they will have a solution so you can sell used games that they will reveal later. Kotaku believes that this will be a un-consumer friendly process. Whereby you'd basically sell the activation code back though XBox LIVE or something.
By used game tax, I meant the need to buy an activation code on a used game.
I thought I read somewhere out there, that if you had a "used" game and installed it on your drive. That once you payed for the "used game tax" the game would activate on your console and deactivate on the originally installed console somehow.
From what I read that is if you sell the game. So, someone with the actual disk can deactivate your copy. Seems to be an issue on theft. But as long as you have the original disk, you can reinstall on anything and have it on multiple as long as it does not go to a different account. That is my understanding.
Ya, but if you take your disc to a friends house, install it on his One and use your account, then leave (taking your account with you) Wouldn't the game still be installed on that One? Then if they buy a code to unlock it, it would possibly count it as a Used game scenario?
Either way, I don't really care what they have in mind for it. The One isn't the one for me.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on May 22, 2013, 08:13:46 pm
Ya, but if you take your disc to a friends house, install it on his One and use your account, then leave (taking your account with you) Wouldn't the game still be installed on that One? Then if they buy a code to unlock it, it would possibly count it as a Used game scenario?
Either way, I don't really care what they have in mind for it. The One isn't the one for me.
From what I understand, that is why most people think the used game fee is the full download fee. In all honesty, I think we will have to wait at least until June 11th to find out. Then we will find out the solid details with Microsoft (hopefully). We will also know something about the PS4 since very little detail was given. We know about the controller and that a friend can join your game.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: insektmute on May 22, 2013, 09:29:02 pm
Either way, I don't really care what they have in mind for it. The One isn't the one for me.
That about sums it up. The idiotic fees, mandatory installs, fixed hard drives, and Kinect requirement is just icing on the shit cake for me, and absolutely cements that no matter what they release, I won't be buying it, but it's the overwhelming focus on TV, voice commands, gestures, and all that other extraneous crap that turns me off just on general principle. It's cool if a console can do other things, like Netflix streaming or playing Blu-ray movies, but if that's the primary selling point, it's really kind of antithetical to why I buy game consoles in the first place.
People keep saying that this is supposed to be about the hardware, not the games, wait until E3, and on and on, but games and game consoles aren't mutually exclusive. Sony and Nintendo both made a sincere, and I think successful effort to emphasize that they want to turn the discussion back toward games. Yes, the hardware can do this and that, it's very powerful, but the reason is because it empowers developers and players alike. Their respective approaches were obviously different, but they're both trying, and I appreciate that.
Microsoft made me feel like a commodity. They got our money, they gained a lot of market share, and their investment in games is explicitly designed to be little more than a gateway into other content they want to sell us. Put simply, their entire presentation felt like a litany of pop-up ads, and somewhere underneath all that bullshit is a game or two that might be worth playing - but you only get to play it if you do what you're told.
People can argue that all these companies are evil - and they are, in various ways - but there's something to be said for at least trying to address the gaming community.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 22, 2013, 09:36:36 pm
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 22, 2013, 10:11:34 pm
Foxhack,
Caps. ::)
I did lol at that though. It's funny.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: exonerator on May 22, 2013, 11:17:23 pm
I told my 51 year old mother about the synopsis of Microsoft's shitty services with the One, and even she agreed that it's shitty. Since this looks like a VHS player, I made a video rental store analogy, since places like Blockbuster rent games. It's like if you bought a brand new movie, you could only watch it on one VHS player, and literally until you rewound it, you're the only one that can watch it. Which is archaic.
So if you were to rent the game out, people would have to fucking install the 15GB file, play it, uninstall it, and then the next person would do that same thing. The Xbox brand is fucking finished. And how fitting is it that the processor is codenamed the "Jaguar".
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: pacpix on May 23, 2013, 12:32:14 am
And how fitting is it that the processor is codenamed the "Jaguar".
Ha I did not know that!
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: blipcs76 on May 23, 2013, 09:59:01 am
My most anticipated console release of the year solidly remains...Retron5 Microsoft has some serious damage control ahead of them at E3, and I'd be surprised if they don't focus entirely on specs and games in their E3 press conference as a way of saying "we're still a game console everyone!"
But they've pretty much engineered my 'anti-console'; fees to register used games, games that require an online connection (which renders them dead once the servers are retired), forced Kinect functionality and the TV integration aspects. They've created a combination brobox-dvr, where you'll watch Game of Thrones and play Call of Duty. The games they showed looked only marginally better than stuff we have on current consoles.
Really not feeling it. My money's going to Hyperkin the day the Retron5 is released! And a Wii U once they get a decent library built up.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: disgaeniac on May 23, 2013, 10:30:19 am
Or, I guess, if the drive crashes; what, you'll need to buy another new console *instead* of just replacing it with a new/working drive? :o
I'd suspect your warranty would cover it.
Possibly.
And...if it crashes the day after the warranty expires = you're fucked; huh?!
That's not any different than how things are right now.
Sure it is...if it's just a bad hard drive, on the ps3, you could easily swap in a new/good one -or- even if you just wanted a bigger amount of memory - you could buy the drive you wanted and swap them.
Apparently, you won't be able to do this with the X-Box(D)one :P
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on May 23, 2013, 10:53:33 am
Sure it is...if it's just a bad hard drive, on the ps3, you could easily swap in a new/good one -or- even if you just wanted a bigger amount of memory - you could buy the drive you wanted and swap them.
Apparently, you won't be able to do this with the X-Box(D)one :P
I meant the Microsoft warranty on dying systems, not the hard drive.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: disgaeniac on May 23, 2013, 12:13:32 pm
So then if I buy a launch console, and opt for a smaller hard-drive because the consoles are so expensive at launch; I can't replace it down the road with a larger hard-drive? I have to go buy a whole new console?! What a bunch of crap!
Or, I guess, if the drive crashes; what, you'll need to buy another new console *instead* of just replacing it with a new/working drive? :o
Tbqh - I don't even care enough about it to look for/read about their presentation ;)
Fair enough, foxhack...I thought we were both talking about being stuck (*Permanently*) with the drive that's in the machine when you buy it.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: stethebubble on May 23, 2013, 12:32:14 pm
Im a huge Xbox fan. but MS you will not be getting any money off me for the Xbox one. i read the additional fee to play used games is going to be as much as the new game. always online never works. it plays TV. WHO CARES? you know what else plays TV? thats right my TV its what is was designed to do hence the name. i think im going to just get a gaming PC instead. what happens in 10 years when they release the next gen. are they going to keep the servers open? i doubt it. screw Xbox one.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on May 23, 2013, 06:22:01 pm
you know the worst part about the TV functionality on the next box is gonna be, it's going to require special set top box that supports the new xbox and you gonna have to buy that special set top box
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on May 23, 2013, 07:51:06 pm
So I have one question about this live T.V. thing.
Do you pay for the service through XBox Live and/or get it by being a Gold member? Or do you still have to have DirectTV, Charter Cable, or whatever service provider you already subscribe to?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 23, 2013, 08:19:50 pm
So I have one question about this live T.V. thing.
Do you pay for the service through XBox Live and/or get it by being a Gold member? Or do you still have to have DirectTV, Charter Cable, or whatever service provider you already subscribe to?
From what I've seen on Giant Bomb, it is still unknown. It is expected they are finally going to have to address the Silver/Gold plans and such.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: stethebubble on May 23, 2013, 08:38:15 pm
So I have one question about this live T.V. thing.
Do you pay for the service through XBox Live and/or get it by being a Gold member? Or do you still have to have DirectTV, Charter Cable, or whatever service provider you already subscribe to?
my guess would be that you only get the channels you have without the system. movies will be a fee per movie
thats just a guess.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on May 23, 2013, 08:47:44 pm
So I have one question about this live T.V. thing.
Do you pay for the service through XBox Live and/or get it by being a Gold member? Or do you still have to have DirectTV, Charter Cable, or whatever service provider you already subscribe to?
knowing how are cable and satellite works here in north america, you are more then likely gonna need cable or satellite subscription. companies like time warner and rogers communications are gonna make this such a pain in the a$$ and vary expensive for consumers
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 23, 2013, 08:52:46 pm
Oh, I misread his question. You will definitely need a cable subscription.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on May 23, 2013, 10:09:56 pm
Then you'd still need a cable box/satellite receiver either way, so it's not all in one at all.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 24, 2013, 09:41:57 am
Yeah, digital cable needs a decoder. I'm assuming this is proprietary to each company. I don't think Microsoft would have access to this. I'm assuming the all in one acts as a sort of all in one remote. Of course, Microsoft can't become the property owner of every service out there. But they can create a single user interface to interact with all of them at once.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: dstone on May 24, 2013, 10:20:57 am
It depends on if it has a CableCard slot. If so, your cable company "rents" a card to you that you install in the Xbox (similar to a PCMCIA card slot on a laptop) and boom, subscription cable TV.
Either that or it has a QAM tuner in it and it can only get stuff transmitted in the clear. Would probably be a good idea to slap an ATSC tuner in there as well if they're going for the "one-for-all" approach.
Although, if this thing doesn't have DVR capabilities, then what's the point?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 24, 2013, 11:27:13 am
Although, if this thing doesn't have DVR capabilities, then what's the point?
If it has a hard drive and an operating system, DVR capabilities are just an app away.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: dstone on May 24, 2013, 11:28:08 am
Yeah, but this is Microsoft we're talking about.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 24, 2013, 11:29:12 am
Ya but who will have spare space to DVR a bunch of shows, if they need all that space for retail games, plus XBLA games and such?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 24, 2013, 12:21:30 pm
To preface, I'm actually not planning on purchasing the system. As of now, I'm not planning on going next gen. However, I think a lot of people are mistaking the purpose of the XBox TV capabilities. I do not think it is designed to actually replace the hardware you have. From what I've seen on forums that seems to stem from people hating the name. "XBox One. It's not XBox one. Why can't it play all my old XBox games, replace my cable, and have speakers and a screen built in." It merely provides an interface that communicates with a number of devices. You can leave your XBox One on to play games, surf the web, watch TV. etc. Their goal is not that XBox replaces all the old equipment. Cable boxes already have a hard drive from Tivo. Why replace what is already there? In all honesty, that sounds like a bad business plan. Microsoft would have to keep releasing new hardware based on other companies business decisions. Microsoft only wants you to dominate the interface you use. They don't make money on replacing hardware. They make money on replacing the software you use with said hardware. This has always been Microsofts model. It is the defining difference between them and Apple for decades.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on May 24, 2013, 01:31:35 pm
To preface, I'm actually not planning on purchasing the system. As of now, I'm not planning on going next gen. However, I think a lot of people are mistaking the purpose of the XBox TV capabilities. I do not think it is designed to actually replace the hardware you have. From what I've seen on forums that seems to stem from people hating the name. "XBox One. It's not XBox one. Why can't it play all my old XBox games, replace my cable, and have speakers and a screen built in." It merely provides an interface that communicates with a number of devices. You can leave your XBox One on to play games, surf the web, watch TV. etc. Their goal is not that XBox replaces all the old equipment. Cable boxes already have a hard drive from Tivo. Why replace what is already there? In all honesty, that sounds like a bad business plan. Microsoft would have to keep releasing new hardware based on other companies business decisions. Microsoft only wants you to dominate the interface you use. They don't make money on replacing hardware. They make money on replacing the software you use with said hardware. This has always been Microsofts model. It is the defining difference between them and Apple for decades.
The Xbox and Microsoft haters exist, because the conditions are perfect for it. The PC platform is a mess to this day. Too much hardware is developed for the platform and Microsoft simply can't keep up and insure Windows total compatibility with all of it. On top of this, Microsoft simply doesn't work with IBM at the level they should, to bring stability back to the platform. I can only assume part of the Microsoft hate transplanted to the Xbox, when the second generation box came out and immediately had crippling problems much like any Windows PC would. That is all it took. Then Microsoft went about handling the whole situation just like they did with Windows problems. They patched and began planning a replacement, hoping it would make the problems simply go away. I even sent in a simple low-cost-solution-design-idea to correct their Red Ring problem. A new chassis with better ventilation. In a very nice way, with clever use of words, they said they already had a more viable solution under development and considered the existing design internally flawed. We all saw what that solution was. A redesigned console version that cost them another 500 million to develop and sent them that much further in dept. Last I checked, I redesigned chassis didn't cost that much to develop *LOL*
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 24, 2013, 01:59:26 pm
To preface, I'm actually not planning on purchasing the system. As of now, I'm not planning on going next gen. However, I think a lot of people are mistaking the purpose of the XBox TV capabilities. I do not think it is designed to actually replace the hardware you have. From what I've seen on forums that seems to stem from people hating the name. "XBox One. It's not XBox one. Why can't it play all my old XBox games, replace my cable, and have speakers and a screen built in." It merely provides an interface that communicates with a number of devices. You can leave your XBox One on to play games, surf the web, watch TV. etc. Their goal is not that XBox replaces all the old equipment. Cable boxes already have a hard drive from Tivo. Why replace what is already there? In all honesty, that sounds like a bad business plan. Microsoft would have to keep releasing new hardware based on other companies business decisions. Microsoft only wants you to dominate the interface you use. They don't make money on replacing hardware. They make money on replacing the software you use with said hardware. This has always been Microsofts model. It is the defining difference between them and Apple for decades.
The Xbox and Microsoft haters exist, because the conditions are perfect for it. The PC platform is a mess to this day. Too much hardware is developed for the platform and Microsoft simply can't keep up and insure Windows total compatibility with all of it. On top of this, Microsoft simply doesn't work with IBM at the level they should, to bring stability back to the platform. I can only assume part of the Microsoft hate transplanted to the Xbox, when the second generation box came out and immediately had crippling problems much like any Windows PC would. That is all it took. Then Microsoft went about handling the whole situation just like they did with Windows problems. They patched and began planning a replacement, hoping it would make the problems simply go away. I even sent in a simple low-cost-solution-design-idea to correct their Red Ring problem. A new chassis with better ventilation. In a very nice way, with clever use of words, they said they already had a more viable solution under development and considered the existing design internally flawed. We all saw what that solution was. A redesigned console version that cost them another 500 million to develop and sent them that much further in dept. Last I checked, I redesigned chassis didn't cost that much to develop *LOL*
I'm all for Microsoft hate. I think the current plan on used games is reason enough. Granted details aren't known. But it is enough for me to decide not to buy the system.
I also dislike Microsoft from being an Apple or linux fanboy for a few decades. There is plenty to dislike. But I just don't understand the "XBox One isn't replacing everything in my entertainment center". On one part, because this is exactly what a lot of people don't want. They want a game machine only. On a second part, creating a universal black box to take over every other companies various black boxes is ridiculous. Especially taking into account the future revisions any cable companies do.
The XBox One can become a black box that accepts output signals. In short, it can take all the signals a TV would take and be pretty well future proof. It also can act as a central hub (not a replacement) for all of these devices. This makes sense. And if a games machine can play games AND do this, that is pretty sweet.
I like Microsoft's approach for an entertainment hub. It seems to be the next natural progression. And this by itself, does not affect games. Microsoft's other policies affect games.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: varkias on May 24, 2013, 03:08:34 pm
I prefer the metal HTPC look to the current plastic toy-looking abominations under my TV.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 24, 2013, 03:59:16 pm
Good news guys!
They aren't making the distinction between retail, xbla and indie games on the One! So we don't have to worry about what goes where and get to have a jumbled mess of games in a single listing! Sweet.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: ffxik on May 24, 2013, 04:39:40 pm
They aren't making the distinction between retail, xbla and indie games on the One! So we don't have to worry about what goes where and get to have a jumbled mess of games in a single listing! Sweet.
That's freaking awesome. ::)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: insektmute on May 24, 2013, 05:13:18 pm
It merely provides an interface that communicates with a number of devices. You can leave your XBox One on to play games, surf the web, watch TV. etc. Their goal is not that XBox replaces all the old equipment. Cable boxes already have a hard drive from Tivo. Why replace what is already there? In all honesty, that sounds like a bad business plan. Microsoft would have to keep releasing new hardware based on other companies business decisions. Microsoft only wants you to dominate the interface you use. They don't make money on replacing hardware. They make money on replacing the software you use with said hardware. This has always been Microsofts model. It is the defining difference between them and Apple for decades.
I don't think anyone's confused as to its purpose. We get that it's intended as a hub interface for all sorts of difference devices, but the fact that it doesn't replace any of them makes it utterly redundant in living rooms that are already filled with electronics. It's one more step to take before accessing something, one more box cluttering things up, and while people aren't necessarily opposed to that, it's a value proposition. Does this do encourage or inhibit my ability to relax and have fun?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on May 24, 2013, 05:17:03 pm
They aren't making the distinction between retail, xbla and indie games on the One! So we don't have to worry about what goes where and get to have a jumbled mess of games in a single listing! Sweet.
Well, there's not going to be any indie games on the console anyway!
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 24, 2013, 05:21:05 pm
Oh good, that's one less thing we need to worry about! Yay!
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: atariboy on May 24, 2013, 07:13:07 pm
This article seems to report on how the used market will be played out on the XBOX ONE. http://www.oxmonline.com/report-trade-process-xbox-one-revealed. Sounds to complicated to me, not that I have ever sold off any of my games to any used store.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 24, 2013, 07:57:40 pm
It merely provides an interface that communicates with a number of devices. You can leave your XBox One on to play games, surf the web, watch TV. etc. Their goal is not that XBox replaces all the old equipment. Cable boxes already have a hard drive from Tivo. Why replace what is already there? In all honesty, that sounds like a bad business plan. Microsoft would have to keep releasing new hardware based on other companies business decisions. Microsoft only wants you to dominate the interface you use. They don't make money on replacing hardware. They make money on replacing the software you use with said hardware. This has always been Microsofts model. It is the defining difference between them and Apple for decades.
I don't think anyone's confused as to its purpose. We get that it's intended as a hub interface for all sorts of difference devices, but the fact that it doesn't replace any of them makes it utterly redundant in living rooms that are already filled with electronics. It's one more step to take before accessing something, one more box cluttering things up, and while people aren't necessarily opposed to that, it's a value proposition. Does this do encourage or inhibit my ability to relax and have fun?
I guess I'm mistaken on what people are saying. If it is the "it's another box" argument, it just seems odd that it didn't come up on PS4 or WiiU. Why doesn't the PS4 or the WiiU replace the cable box? Because they are not made by Time Warner/Cox/Comcast/etc. Same with XBox.
Honestly, I think there is so much unknown right now that rumors are flying, fanboys and hateboys are abound. I'm planning on waiting until E3 before really starting the complaining. But then, I'll probably be right with everyone on the high Microsoft hate.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on May 24, 2013, 08:46:51 pm
This article seems to report on how the used market will be played out on the XBOX ONE. http://www.oxmonline.com/report-trade-process-xbox-one-revealed. Sounds to complicated to me, not that I have ever sold off any of my games to any used store.
WOW, they really want to kill used game sales.
Disgusting.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: atariboy on May 24, 2013, 08:54:24 pm
This article seems to report on how the used market will be played out on the XBOX ONE. http://www.oxmonline.com/report-trade-process-xbox-one-revealed. Sounds to complicated to me, not that I have ever sold off any of my games to any used store.
WOW, they really want to kill used game sales.
Disgusting.
Yup! looks like Microsoft is getting into the used game store business, and you guys think Micro$oft is evil! pfft!
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: insektmute on May 24, 2013, 09:08:56 pm
I guess I'm mistaken on what people are saying. If it is the "it's another box" argument, it just seems odd that it didn't come up on PS4 or WiiU. Why doesn't the PS4 or the WiiU replace the cable box? Because they are not made by Time Warner/Cox/Comcast/etc. Same with XBox.
Honestly, I think there is so much unknown right now that rumors are flying, fanboys and hateboys are abound. I'm planning on waiting until E3 before really starting the complaining. But then, I'll probably be right with everyone on the high Microsoft hate.
I think it's more a question of intent. Sony's been pushing an 'entertainment console' concept for awhile, but for the most part, those efforts have been mutually beneficial for gaming and multimedia purposes. With the PS4, they were quick to highlight it as a powerful system for developers and gamers alike. Sure, it plays Blu-ray movies, and you can watch stuff on Netflix and YouTube, but that's not the driving force behind the console's existence.
Similarly, Nintendo has consistently emphasized that the Wii U is about finding ways for developers to create new experiences with the gamepad. While I have a rather low opinion of the system, and find a lot of their efforts are misdirected, it's still clear that they're interested in gaming, first and foremost.
As a lot of people have already touched on, it was the exact opposite with Microsoft. They focused on voice commands, sensors, gestures, watching TV, watching movies, listening to music, and gaming was just a tiny fragment of what they're aiming for, which is the exact opposite of what should happen when presenting a game console. In their own way, Microsoft's basically trying to pull a Wii, by trying to step away from their existing userbase and appeal to people who would have otherwise never bought a game console. They want to sell this thing to Mom, Dad, and Grandma, so they can break free of all those pesky, complicated devices, and drink deeply from the Microsoft cup of designer living - who needs a bunch of fickle, often angry gamers when you've got an untapped market of millions?
I don't think it's as simple as whining fanboys. People are seeing the Xbox One as a threat to video games, and for a variety of reasons, but distaste for this thing is one of the biggest rallying points I've seen among gamers in quite awhile.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on May 24, 2013, 09:47:57 pm
Xbox One's Poor Reception Blasts Wii U Sales By 220% (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Poor-Reception-Blasts-Wii-U-Sales-By-220-56021.html)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 24, 2013, 09:52:59 pm
Xbox One's Poor Reception Blasts Wii U Sales By 220% (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Poor-Reception-Blasts-Wii-U-Sales-By-220-56021.html)
That's hilarious. I can't say I'm surprised. I started looking at the WiiU after the used game announcement and most importantly the checking into the database (I don't mind giving money to developers but a possible paperweight in 10 years with dead servers is too much). I just don't like Nintendo games much personally. If I could use an XBox controller on the PS4, I think I would be sold.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on May 25, 2013, 03:14:13 am
Xbox One's Poor Reception Blasts Wii U Sales By 220% (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Poor-Reception-Blasts-Wii-U-Sales-By-220-56021.html)
That's hilarious. I can't say I'm surprised. I started looking at the WiiU after the used game announcement and most importantly the checking into the database (I don't mind giving money to developers but a possible paperweight in 10 years with dead servers is too much). I just don't like Nintendo games much personally. If I could use an XBox controller on the PS4, I think I would be sold.
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Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: ffxik on May 26, 2013, 09:51:15 pm
I was talking to a buddy about this today. We came up with a great conspiracy theory. Hang on. This may get deep.
Ok, Microsoft starts all these rumors about always on DRM and no used games.
They have this big press conference showing the new system.
People get pissed and grab the pitchforks.
Microsoft comes back at E3 and says they have heard the voice of the people.
They announce that the bad stuff won't be part of Xbox One.
They come out looking like a hero and get my $500 for a new system that plays The Price is Right.
Or end up a dedicated customer, paying them warranty money yearly to keep the thing running. That lasted for about 4 years and then I had enough. The 250 GB PS3 had just come out and it was looking like a much more attractive package.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: disgaeniac on May 27, 2013, 09:37:56 am
They come out looking like a hero and get my $500 for a new system that plays The Price is Right.
I've also considered this, but I've noticed that news tends to filter out very slowly among large groups. A lot of people still don't know much about the DRM aspects of the system, or the US-centric nature of services, so I keep seeing the occasional comment about how we all need to quit griping about games and wait until E3, as if that's the only thing people are upset about.
I don't see MS pulling back from this, though. They have a pretty consistent record of sticking with dead projects for years after release, no matter how it's being received - Zune, Windows ME, Windows Vista, Windows 8, Games for Windows LIVE, Silverlight, etc.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on May 28, 2013, 04:37:05 pm
They come out looking like a hero and get my $500 for a new system that plays The Price is Right.
I've also considered this, but I've noticed that news tends to filter out very slowly among large groups. A lot of people still don't know much about the DRM aspects of the system, or the US-centric nature of services, so I keep seeing the occasional comment about how we all need to quit griping about games and wait until E3, as if that's the only thing people are upset about.
I don't see MS pulling back from this, though. They have a pretty consistent record of sticking with dead projects for years after release, no matter how it's being received - Zune, Windows ME, Windows Vista, Windows 8, Games for Windows LIVE, Silverlight, etc.
Honestly, I see Microsoft sticking it out just fine. I say this because of EA. If you want to know where evil is follow EA.
EA stopped online passes for all future games. This is after making between 10 and 15 million in the first year from online passes. (reference http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/15/ea-online-pass-ends/ )
EA stops support of Nintendo but for a handful of titles. Citing problems with porting their game engine frostbite 3. (ref http://www.techhive.com/article/2039520/ea-retracts-wii-u-snub-says-its-brewing-nintendo-games-on-the-backburner.html )
EA is supporting both PS4 and XBox One both of which have heavy DRM possibilities. XBox One has mandatory installs requiring some sort of authentication (ref http://blastmagazine.com/the-magazine/gaming/xbox-one-will-not-need-always-online-connection-will-require-mandatory-installs-and-fees-for-used-games/ ) PS4 is emphasizing the freemium model. (http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2012/07/30/ea-the-future-is-about-freemium/) Which of course EA loves. Freemium does not necessarily state DRM. But it does allow a company to do whatever on authentication due to the infrastructure. For instance Final Fight Double Impact is DRM heavy on the PS3 already. Singstar is another. Sony has already started the DRM race. In all honesty they did from the very beginning. Anyone notice how much harder it is to record PS3 gameplay than 360 gameplay? I'm close to swearing off Microsoft due to DRM (depends on E3). But Sony lost me last generation due to DRM.
Many analysts and reports state that SONY will have the same DRM. Honestly, do you think one company will have it but not the other? (ref http://www.computerandvideogames.com/409184/ps4-to-regulate-used-games-like-xbox-one/ )
In short, EA is happily supporting both XBox and PS4. EA is also slowly taking away their own draconian DRM methods. It only makes sense to me that DRM is heavy on both for EA to use Sony and Microsofts system. Microsoft has announced authentication. SONY has happily done DRM under the radar for years. Unfortunately, I don't think many people care about Nintendo right now. At least not enough to change course. And Sony and Microsoft both are happy to support DRM. My projection is that Sony and Microsoft will be on top of the market this next generation as well.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: insektmute on May 31, 2013, 11:00:48 am
Many analysts and reports state that SONY will have the same DRM. Honestly, do you think one company will have it but not the other? (ref http://www.computerandvideogames.com/409184/ps4-to-regulate-used-games-like-xbox-one/ )
In short, EA is happily supporting both XBox and PS4. EA is also slowly taking away their own draconian DRM methods. It only makes sense to me that DRM is heavy on both for EA to use Sony and Microsofts system. Microsoft has announced authentication. SONY has happily done DRM under the radar for years. Unfortunately, I don't think many people care about Nintendo right now. At least not enough to change course. And Sony and Microsoft both are happy to support DRM. My projection is that Sony and Microsoft will be on top of the market this next generation as well.
I'm inclined to agree, which is a big part of why I've been making such a heavy shift toward PC gaming lately. The closed nature of the PS3, 360, and Wii are making me very nervous about continued access to patches, DLC, digital-only games, and so on. By contrast, while some people may dislike services like Steam, and even GOG, there *are* options that don't exist on consoles, simply because the PC is an open platform - hardware upgrades don't impact ownership, servers don't get shut down from generation to generation (and there really ARE no generations), I can set things to be played offline, backup my games, move them around freely to different hard drives, even install everything to an external drive if I want.
Every console eventually becomes "obsolete" and I can accept that, but I really dislike that obsolescence is starting to include the games themselves, and my ability to play them.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on May 31, 2013, 11:54:35 am
Ya, which is why I'm waiting to see what the PS4 is about. At this point I've pretty much decided that I'll be getting the Wii U 1st though, mainly because of that Monolith RPG, Zelda and the ability to buy used games for it w/o getting dicked.
Other than that, I'm really thinking I should just upgrade my PC and move to PC gaming as well.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: insektmute on May 31, 2013, 02:44:19 pm
Yeah, I've gone from "Ooh, PS4!" to "Let me know when there's some non-douchebag confirmation." I'm pretty sure I'll grab a Wii U eventually, just on general principle, and Bayonetta 2.
In the meantime, I've upgraded just about everything in my gaming desktop. Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z, AMD FX-8320, Asus GeForce 660 Ti, 8GB G.Skill DDR3-1866, Corsair AX760 PSU, and a Samsung 840 Pro SSD. Only things left to do are some larger hard drives for me to install all my games, Noiseblocker BlackSilentPro fans, and some other stuff I find some excuse or other to buy because hardware tinkering kicks ass. Absolutely phenomenal performance so far :)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: madmax on June 04, 2013, 09:01:55 pm
If the PS4 can be priced at $399, I think the Xbox is gonna be the "loser" in this round of console wars. An important concept that I've learned in buisness school is that there can only be 2 main competitors in each area in the end. Each round, one competitor is gonna take big losses until eventually someone drops out. The thing is that Sony and Microsoft have other things to fall back onto, Nintendo is a giant with a lot of branding power).
Regardless, this is an interesting battle of consoles, all of them have different things keeping them in the race.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 04, 2013, 11:05:00 pm
If the PS4 can be priced at $399, I think the Xbox is gonna be the "loser" in this round of console wars. An important concept that I've learned in buisness school is that there can only be 2 main competitors in each area in the end. Each round, one competitor is gonna take big losses until eventually someone drops out. The thing is that Sony and Microsoft have other things to fall back onto, Nintendo is a giant with a lot of branding power).
Regardless, this is an interesting battle of consoles, all of them have different things keeping them in the race.
Why $399? Does either console have a price yet?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 05, 2013, 01:46:47 am
So, I'm a little late to this news, but we know that Rare is bringing back one of their old IP games to the XboxOne. But... Microsoft obtained the rights to the killer instinct name from Fox back in April.
Holy crap... if Killer Instinct and Forza 5 (confirmed) comes out (plus, I do like Halo) ... I don't know.... I would love it though.
I do realize Rare is not the same company anymore. It'd probably be "Killer Instinct avatars with kinect". But I am looking forward to E3, for this, and the unusually large SEGA booth. It seems SEGA might be up to something more interesting than 3 sonic games and football manager.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 05, 2013, 08:28:34 am
Ya I'm interested in what SEGA is doing. But I've pretty much given up on the Xbox One.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: mchaso on June 05, 2013, 06:47:23 pm
Ya I'm interested in what SEGA is doing. But I've pretty much given up on the Xbox One.
I heard SEGA might announce a new console at E3.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: jobocan on June 05, 2013, 06:56:18 pm
Every time I hear something about the Xbox One it sounds worse and worse.
The latest info is that the GPU is underclocked (partly for heat issues) and the eSRAM is causing major functional issues to the console, and the OS that was shown at the reveal was a fake and works a lot worse on the current console, and that the console is being rushed out because they didn't think the PS4 was coming out this year.
Add to that the mandatory Kinect, the mandatory DRM and possible extra fee for used games (which SUCKS for out-of-print games), the "basically always online", the shitty attitude about all of this, the fact that they refuse to clear up anything... Microsoft aren't doing themselves any favors with this whole thing.
I hope good games get revealed for this at E3, but even that doesn't remove all the bad things that will make me not buy it.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21 underclocked
Post by: htimreimer on June 05, 2013, 07:19:17 pm
Every time I hear something about the Xbox One it sounds worse and worse.
The latest info is that the GPU is underclocked (partly for heat issues) and the eSRAM is causing major functional issues to the console, and the OS that was shown at the reveal was a fake and works a lot worse on the current console, and that the console is being rushed out because they didn't think the PS4 was coming out this year.
Add to that the mandatory Kinect, the mandatory DRM and possible extra fee for used games (which SUCKS for out-of-print games), the "basically always online", the shitty attitude about all of this, the fact that they refuse to clear up anything... Microsoft aren't doing themselves any favors with this whole thing.
I hope good games get revealed for this at E3, but even that doesn't remove all the bad things that will make me not buy it.
here is the list of the problems with next box so far
underclocked GPU SRAM issues OS issues heating issues mandatory kinect mandatory DRM possible fee for used games
the next box sound like its being rushed to market even more then the wii u was and the bad PR is helping at all
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: insektmute on June 05, 2013, 08:10:20 pm
The latest info is that the GPU is underclocked (partly for heat issues) and the eSRAM is causing major functional issues to the console, and the OS that was shown at the reveal was a fake and works a lot worse on the current console, and that the console is being rushed out because they didn't think the PS4 was coming out this year.
If there are actual concerns about the chips overheating, it demonstrates a complete and utter ineptitude on Microsoft's part, considering the AMD APU's are designed to be comparatively low cost, low power, low heat alternatives to the upper end FX-series, and even those don't run all that hot. Even the A10-5800k Trinity only hits around 58c when running a heavy duty benchmark like prime95, and that's with stock cooling - http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2047/16 - but the chips used in the XB1 and PS4 are both noted as being essentially tweaked versions of the more laptop-oriented Jaguar series.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: redblaze57 on June 05, 2013, 09:15:16 pm
Ya I'm interested in what SEGA is doing. But I've pretty much given up on the Xbox One.
I heard SEGA might announce a new console at E3.
if your talking about the spectrum my guess is that is actually going to be their own game engine or possibly a new arcade board
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 05, 2013, 09:20:49 pm
Oh ya. I'm pretty sure SEGA wouldn't be throwing their hats in the console race again. Especially when they have a bunch of games coming out for competing hardware.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: redblaze57 on June 05, 2013, 09:36:01 pm
Oh ya. I'm pretty sure SEGA wouldn't be throwing their hats in the console race again. Especially when they have a bunch of games coming out for competing hardware.
not to mention after having an exclusive deal to release a few games on the Wii U and 3DS
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21 underclocked
Post by: mchaso on June 06, 2013, 12:46:55 pm
Every time I hear something about the Xbox One it sounds worse and worse.
The latest info is that the GPU is underclocked (partly for heat issues) and the eSRAM is causing major functional issues to the console, and the OS that was shown at the reveal was a fake and works a lot worse on the current console, and that the console is being rushed out because they didn't think the PS4 was coming out this year.
Add to that the mandatory Kinect, the mandatory DRM and possible extra fee for used games (which SUCKS for out-of-print games), the "basically always online", the shitty attitude about all of this, the fact that they refuse to clear up anything... Microsoft aren't doing themselves any favors with this whole thing.
I hope good games get revealed for this at E3, but even that doesn't remove all the bad things that will make me not buy it.
here is the list of the problems with next box so far
underclocked GPU SRAM issues OS issues heating issues mandatory kinect mandatory DRM possible fee for used games
the next box sound like its being rushed to market even more then the wii u was and the bad PR is helping at all
+ mandatory installing of games to the HDD + can't replace HDD + no backwards compatibility (although you don't really need this) ... the list goes on and on
Seriously, I haven't heard nothing but negative things about the xbone since the conference, so unless M$ justifies all this at E3, I'll skip this one. Sad thing is, this console will probably sell well because of the xbox fanboys and "bro gamers" who only care about sports and CoD.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: blipcs76 on June 06, 2013, 04:38:14 pm
I get the feeling that Microsoft is right now where Sony was in 2006. They were cocky and assumed that no matter what they released, the brand name would sell the system. They priced it at $600 and assumed it would fly off the shelves, until they got a cold dose of reality after the early adopters had faded. Most core gamers are not that brand loyal, so if all of this negative stuff surrounding XBox One is true, gamers are gonna buy a PS4 instead. We're also in a recession, so next-gen systems might not sell that well compared to past launches anyway. Will gamers hold onto their current systems longer since graphics are still pretty fantastic and paying $500 for a new system with slightly better graphics (and might cut out used games) doesn't seem that enticing?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 06, 2013, 05:09:54 pm
I get the feeling that Microsoft is right now where Sony was in 2006. They were cocky and assumed that no matter what they released, the brand name would sell the system. They priced it at $600 and assumed it would fly off the shelves, until they got a cold dose of reality after the early adopters had faded. Most core gamers are not that brand loyal, so if all of this negative stuff surrounding XBox One is true, gamers are gonna buy a PS4 instead. We're also in a recession, so next-gen systems might not sell that well compared to past launches anyway. Will gamers hold onto their current systems longer since graphics are still pretty fantastic and paying $500 for a new system with slightly better graphics (and might cut out used games) doesn't seem that enticing?
Sadly my suspicion is that Microsoft is not really cocky. I think it is worse. If Microsoft were cocky or arrogant, then things could change. Unfortunately, XBoxOne smells of design by committee. The original XBox had a bunch of employees from SEGA of America and a lot of other greats of the business. They have left. Now the XBox division is being ran by businessmen rather than people in the gaming industry. These new employees are more likely to come from Pepsi Co than a gaming background. These are the people who test market that the target demographic of 16-34 males love fantasy football. So, strike a deal with the NFL. Halo is a big series. So, strike a deal for a tv show. We need third party titles especially from EA. So, help EA out with DRM. They are businessmen striking business deals. Tis is worse than being cocky or arrogant, because this won't be fixed. Once a business or department goes down the beauracratic business road, it is almost impossible to turn around.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: insektmute on June 06, 2013, 06:54:08 pm
Sadly my suspicion is that Microsoft is not really cocky. I think it is worse. If Microsoft were cocky or arrogant, then things could change. Unfortunately, XBoxOne smells of design by committee. The original XBox had a bunch of employees from SEGA of America and a lot of other greats of the business. They have left. Now the XBox division is being ran by businessmen rather than people in the gaming industry. These new employees are more likely to come from Pepsi Co than a gaming background. These are the people who test market that the target demographic of 16-34 males love fantasy football. So, strike a deal with the NFL. Halo is a big series. So, strike a deal for a tv show. We need third party titles especially from EA. So, help EA out with DRM. They are businessmen striking business deals. Tis is worse than being cocky or arrogant, because this won't be fixed. Once a business or department goes down the beauracratic business road, it is almost impossible to turn around.
Pretty much hits it on the head, though I would dispute that this is a rash of new employees coming in. Microsoft's always been about reacting to existing ideas, selling people on solutions to problems that don't really exist, and trying to bludgeon the market into adopting the outcome as standard. The Xbox One just strikes me as the culmination of a planned outcome; bring in people who can build credibility for the brand, even if it means operating at a loss, and turn that into a competitive advantage that forces the market to acquiesce.
I don't think they're arrogant, but they do lack perspective, and they greatly underestimate how quickly "loyalty" can appear and disappear when it comes to video games. Shit, look at Square - they're a walking case study on how to fuck up decades of goodwill in the blink of an eye.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: jobocan on June 06, 2013, 08:08:55 pm
Well they entirely confirmed a bunch of bad things. http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main
The anti-used games thing is confirmed to be terrible. You CAN play the games you own on up to 10 Xbox Ones that you register your account on which is fine (though obviously only useable on one Xbox One at a time)... BUT EVERYTHING ELSE SUCKS. You can't actually sell your games properly. The person you're selling it to needs to be on your friend list for at least 30 days, and then you have to transfer the license for the game to them... and that's the last time it can be transferred ever (so he can't sell it again, it won't work). Some games might be completely disabled from being sold used at all too, the publisher chooses that. Otherwise, you can sell your game to a retailer. A SPECIFIC retailer that is allowed to sell Xbox One games, not just any random mom and pop store.
The "sort of always online" is true. Basically the system checks on you every 24 hours, and if somehow your internet is off when the check happens you're locked out of playing games until the next check, and if you play one of your games on another person's Xbox One it checks on you once every hour.... because? Obviously this means that, if you're part of the ~25% of Americans (more of Canadians, not sure for Europeans) that don't have any internet, you can't play games on the Xbox One, at all.
And the Kinect is mandatory (if it's not hooked up, the Xbox One doesn't function), but you can turn it off/pause it. Microsoft say that, in that case, the microphone only waits for the "Xbox On" voice command... but that still means the microphone is open and might be listening to you all the time. Hard to say until the thing comes out and people verify what data goes out during the daily check.
I don't think any company has ever gone into E3 in such a bad state so far. Even Sony's PSN hacking issue wasn't THIS bad. No wonder Microsoft is paying off publishers to not show PS4 versions of multiplat games at E3 (another rumor from insiders on NeoGaf... but at this point I'm willing to believe it), they want to get as much press as they can in hopes of making people forget about the crap.
Sony better not screw up that much, otherwise I'll be very sad.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 06, 2013, 09:51:31 pm
Well they entirely confirmed a bunch of bad things. http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main
The anti-used games thing is confirmed to be terrible. You CAN play the games you own on up to 10 Xbox Ones that you register your account on which is fine (though obviously only useable on one Xbox One at a time)... BUT EVERYTHING ELSE SUCKS. You can't actually sell your games properly. The person you're selling it to needs to be on your friend list for at least 30 days, and then you have to transfer the license for the game to them... and that's the last time it can be transferred ever (so he can't sell it again, it won't work). Some games might be completely disabled from being sold used at all too, the publisher chooses that. Otherwise, you can sell your game to a retailer. A SPECIFIC retailer that is allowed to sell Xbox One games, not just any random mom and pop store.
The "sort of always online" is true. Basically the system checks on you every 24 hours, and if somehow your internet is off when the check happens you're locked out of playing games until the next check, and if you play one of your games on another person's Xbox One it checks on you once every hour.... because? Obviously this means that, if you're part of the ~25% of Americans (more of Canadians, not sure for Europeans) that don't have any internet, you can't play games on the Xbox One, at all.
And the Kinect is mandatory (if it's not hooked up, the Xbox One doesn't function), but you can turn it off/pause it. Microsoft say that, in that case, the microphone only waits for the "Xbox On" voice command... but that still means the microphone is open and might be listening to you all the time. Hard to say until the thing comes out and people verify what data goes out during the daily check.
I don't think any company has ever gone into E3 in such a bad state so far. Even Sony's PSN hacking issue wasn't THIS bad. No wonder Microsoft is paying off publishers to not show PS4 versions of multiplat games at E3 (another rumor from insiders on NeoGaf... but at this point I'm willing to believe it), they want to get as much press as they can in hopes of making people forget about the crap.
Sony better not screw up that much, otherwise I'll be very sad.
To be honest, I'm somewhat torn between ending my purchasing of Microsoft game systems (I don't buy any other Microsoft products). Or buying a system day one so I can have a early model, waiting for hackers to break the system one month after release, and then hacking the f^&k out of my system. Then, I will have all the gamez! and a xboxone that connects to a dummy server. It's a win-win scenario where I win and don't care about whether microsoft wins or not.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: blipcs76 on June 07, 2013, 10:32:52 am
I'm 100% certain I'm not buying Xbox One. When games rely on servers to function, once those servers go offline the game is essentially destroyed. There is no reason to collect games for Xbox One if ten years from now the servers go dark and your entire collection is rendered unplayable. Horrible decision and one that is going to alienate a TON of potential customers. Not to mention that if you don't have Internet in your home, you simply cannot use an XBox One.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: disgaeniac on June 07, 2013, 11:54:14 am
I'm 100% certain I'm not buying Xbox One. When games rely on servers to function, once those servers go offline the game is essentially destroyed. There is no reason to collect games for Xbox One if ten years from now the servers go dark and your entire collection is rendered unplayable. Horrible decision and one that is going to alienate a TON of potential customers. Not to mention that if you don't have Internet in your home, you simply cannot use an XBox One.
I agree -and- you've summed it up nicely :)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 07, 2013, 12:11:45 pm
What if you're a kid like I was. And you went on vacation and were allowed to bring one game system with you in the RV? Can't take the Xbox One, not unless you have some kind of wireless hotspot available.
All the info that's come out so far leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There is no way I am buying that pos. Now, if Sony pulls something similar, I know I'll be going Wii U and retro games this gen, for sure.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 07, 2013, 12:19:52 pm
All the info that's come out so far leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There is no way I am buying that pos. Now, if Sony pulls something similar, I know I'll be going Wii U and retro games this gen, for sure.
I really hope it doesnt get to this point ... but if it does, I 100% agree. I have plenty of games already in my backlog to last me for a long time if I dont buy the next gen system anyhow.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 07, 2013, 01:52:30 pm
Can you imagine the price of out of print sealed games for this thing? Resellers could end up having a field day.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 07, 2013, 02:06:27 pm
Can you imagine the price of out of print sealed games for this thing? Resellers could end up having a field day.
I don't think it would rise too much. Because you can sell the games. The only really bad thing that I see from the system is that it has to check online every 24 hours. This begs the question of what happens in 8 years?
Here is a decent reading of the recent Xbox game selling.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on June 07, 2013, 07:33:41 pm
Can you imagine the price of out of print sealed games for this thing? Resellers could end up having a field day.
I don't think it would rise too much. Because you can sell the games. The only really bad thing that I see from the system is that it has to check online every 24 hours. This begs the question of what happens in 8 years?
Here is a decent reading of the recent Xbox game selling.
the guy in the video doesn't seem to see the big picture of all of this, in the next 7 to 11 years the xbox will be nothing more paper weight and all the money you spent on the console and on the games will down the drain because the servers for the 24 hour DRM have been shut down
another thing about this 24 hour DRM, if you live apartment or a housing community like i do, you will not get a good experience with xbox because constantly getting internet interference and outages and if you live on a farm,developing country or a rural town, good luck using the xbox
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 07, 2013, 09:03:16 pm
the guy in the video doesn't seem to see the big picture of all of this, in the next 7 to 11 years the xbox will be nothing more paper weight and all the money you spent on the console and on the games will down the drain because the servers for the 24 hour DRM have been shut down
another thing about this 24 hour DRM, if you live apartment or a housing community like i do, you will not get a good experience with xbox because constantly getting internet interference and outages and if you live on a farm,developing country or a rural town, good luck using the xbox
For most people this doesn't matter. I am the only person I know (outside of my retro gaming groups) with an old system hooked up. Or even in the house. When a system gets old it is already a paper weight to most people. When the guy in the video said that it doesn't affect him in the slightest, he means it.
To be honest, I'm kind of that way too. I collect old SEGA stuff. But I don't enjoy modern games as much as I want to. I enjoy them when they first come out. But after that, I can't be bothered with them. Looking at my XBox collection, there is not a single game I have replayed (minus Shenmue 2, but I consider that Dreamcast). There is a collector in me, but that collector is very much rooted in the 90s. The modern gamer just likes to be included in the now.
Having said that, Microsoft has gone very nazi. Just because it really doesn't affect too many people. It does affect some, but sadly Microsoft doesn't care about these people. It reminds me why I've never had a version of windows installed on my computers. But I also realize that despite all the dealbreakers Windows has for me. It still is probably a good operating system for most people. I don't know why... but it does seem to fit their usage. If someone came up to me and asked what system would be best for them, and they like to play the newest Madden game with their friends, I would probably suggest the XBox. I don't think this policy would affect them much.
Now, for me and the users of this site, it is an instantaneous deal breaker. The fact that it becomes a paper weight is the big picture. But for most people I know, it isn't even a footnote.
Now, I'm not sure if Microsoft will recover from all the bad press though.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 07, 2013, 09:12:34 pm
Definitely NSFW. But certainly funny and will speak to most of us. Contrasting opinion from the first video. For those of you wondering since a few of my posts may seem schizo, I fall on the alphaomegasin side.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 07, 2013, 09:53:28 pm
I agree with pretty much everything in that video, lol.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on June 07, 2013, 10:39:50 pm
I agree with him
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 07, 2013, 11:31:23 pm
I actually thought that was me talking in that video the whole time. I dont think I would have added or changed any single piece of it.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: turf on June 07, 2013, 11:34:33 pm
I'm with him 100%, but someone needs to give that dude a hug.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 07, 2013, 11:40:58 pm
I'm with him 100%, but someone needs to give that dude a hug.
I know right! Part of his schtick is that he is angry. But this video was one of the few times where he honestly just seemed angry.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on June 08, 2013, 12:18:47 am
one thing i agree with him is why dose the kinect need to be plug in if it not watching or listening to you
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: ffxik on June 08, 2013, 02:24:20 am
He was. Alpha is of course very passionate about gaming. To see a company blatantly take advantage of people is just sickening.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: stethebubble on June 09, 2013, 01:31:10 pm
i personally will not be buying the Xbox One. and i will also be telling all my friends and family to do the same. i dont like being treat like a criminal because some people copy games. i can see people turning to piracy to chipping the xbox 1 to avoid the DRM. i hope that all of this ontop of windows 8 will kill microsoft. they have taken advantage of the costumer for far to long. if they do not wish to listen to the people then i dont think they are a company i want to stick with. so much for the customer is always right. (Microsoft's only customer is EA) i agree with alpha that anyone who buys this should never be allowed to complain about the state of games again.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: disgaeniac on June 09, 2013, 02:22:10 pm
i personally will not be buying the Xbox One. and i will also be telling all my friends and family to do the same. i dont like being treat like a criminal because some people copy games. i can see people turning to piracy to chipping the xbox 1 to avoid the DRM. i hope that all of this ontop of windows 8 will kill microsoft. they have taken advantage of the costumer for far to long. if they do not wish to listen to the people then i dont think they are a company i want to stick with. so much for the customer is always right. (Microsoft's only customer is EA) i agree with alpha that anyone who buys this should never be allowed to complain about the state of games again.
This post is 100% Disgaeniac-approved ;)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 09, 2013, 02:25:42 pm
I recently signed up to be the game master of my wife's church. Right now, they have a Wii U, 3 Wiis, a PS3, and a 360. They will not be getting an XboxNone though! Ill probably spread the word to the entire line of churches (its a pretty big church that is in multiple states).
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: disgaeniac on June 09, 2013, 04:09:40 pm
I recently signed up to be the game master of my wife's church. Right now, they have a Wii U, 3 Wiis, a PS3, and a 360. They will not be getting an XboxNone though! Ill probably spread the word to the entire line of churches (its a pretty big church that is in multiple states).
PREACH ON, brother B. Rad!
(Even if you are only "preaching to the choir" here) 8)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: stethebubble on June 09, 2013, 05:00:05 pm
One of my friends is such an xbox fanboy. he is going to get this opening day. nothing i say will change this.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: jobocan on June 09, 2013, 06:26:19 pm
One of my friends is such an xbox fanboy. he is going to get this opening day. nothing i say will change this.
I'd go with the "kick him in the balls repeatedly" approach.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 09, 2013, 06:43:50 pm
Have him watch that Omega Sin video ... after that, there is no way anyone would be interested in the XboxNone.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 09, 2013, 07:47:32 pm
There is also a great video from Giant Bomb trying to break down what the DRM means. It's fairly funny. It also is humorous that it takes about 40 minutes. I also enjoy that they do mention the similarities to the types of DRM that Sony has been doing since the PS2. Most people seem to forget all of that stuff.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 10, 2013, 04:01:28 pm
The XBox One is $500. Pretty expensive for a video game rental service.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on June 10, 2013, 04:23:03 pm
microsoft at e3 was so uninteresting and one or two game's that were interesting are not enough to get me to buy it especially at the 500 dollar price point
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 10, 2013, 05:05:26 pm
I'll give credit where credit is due... Forza 5 and Killer Instinct have me VERY interested. But all the BS surrounding the system trumps all interest.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on June 10, 2013, 05:15:37 pm
I'll give credit where credit is due... Forza 5 and Killer Instinct have me VERY interested. But all the BS surrounding the system trumps all interest.
even if the xbox didn't have the DRM and the other crap, 2 or 3 games are not enough for me to buy $500 console
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: pacpix on June 10, 2013, 05:31:47 pm
Yeah its too bad Killer Instinct will be an exclusive...
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 10, 2013, 05:34:31 pm
I'll give credit where credit is due... Forza 5 and Killer Instinct have me VERY interested. But all the BS surrounding the system trumps all interest.
even if the xbox didn't have the DRM and the other crap, 2 or 3 games are not enough for me to buy $500 console
That's fair. But at least for an initial unveiling for a launch. The amount of titles I find interesting are quite high. Most system launches don't have a high number of good games. Hell, the N64 launched with only 2 games. I don't know what is launch and what isn't yet. But for a system that isn't even out, Killer Instinct and Forza would be enough for me.
Honestly, I wish Microsoft did not do the DRM and not just because of its effects on the industry. The bottom line is, if it did not have the DRM, I would buy the system for Killer Instinct and Forza 5. These would tide me over as the library rises. But it also looks like a Dead Rising 3, Watch Dogs, Halo, Quantum Break, Metal Gear Solid, and a game the HappyConsoleGamer mentioned Titanfall. I won't pretend everything about the XBoxOne is bad. For my tastes, the games look good. If not for DRM, it would be my system of choice so far.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: jobocan on June 10, 2013, 06:25:31 pm
The only interesting in their conference was KI3... until I learned it's being made by Double Helix. But I'm willing to give it a chance eventually. I actually also really liked the teaser for Sunset Overdrive, but that was just a pre-rendered CG cinematic, not enough to get an ounce of my interest. At least both interesting-ish games are published by Microsoft, which means I'll be able to buy them used.
Nothing else was interesting, it's all stuff I can play identical games for on current consoles. Forza 5 sounds interesting, but to me I'll get the exact same experience with Forza 3 or 4, so whatever.
And I thought 500$ was a joke, considering the massive intrusive DRM crap. That confirms my plan with the Xbox One, buy both the consoles and the games used (if said games are buy-able used), I'm fine with waiting a year or 4 (and blocking out the Kinect's microphone with a recording of me saying "boobs" in a loop). MS isn't getting anymore of my money.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 10, 2013, 06:35:07 pm
and blocking out the Kinect's microphone with a recording of me saying "boobs" in a loop
Man that's all my kinect would hear anyways, no recording needed. "XBox One... Boobs"
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on June 10, 2013, 11:23:27 pm
you know, i understand why companies like ea and microsoft are shoving DRM down are throat, its because there losing money on games and the reason why there losing money is not because of piracy or used games, it the fact they are spending too much money on graphics, cutscenes and story. there trying to turn the gaming industry in to hollywood and they don't seem to see that it will never be hollywood but they don't want to hear that, so they blame it on piracy, game rentals and used games and continue to spend way to much on games
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 10, 2013, 11:48:41 pm
Story is just as important as gameplay. Its not the days of 30 min long platformers and puzzle games anymore.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: jobocan on June 11, 2013, 12:12:51 am
Story is just as important as gameplay. Its not the days of 30 min long platformers and puzzle games anymore.
I'll say it this way: if the gameplay isn't good, the story doesn't matter a single bit. Yes story has relevance and by theming properly can impact the gameplay positively, but the story only matters if the game is fun to play.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 11, 2013, 12:15:30 am
Story is just as important as gameplay. Its not the days of 30 min long platformers and puzzle games anymore.
I am definitely an old fogey (the insanely old age of 26) but part of me just wants a game with two dinosaurs beating each other up.
But the movie video games are the natural progression. And they are damn good. I've said it before, but Final Fantasy 13 is one of my favorite movies.
And honestly, EA and other publishers are probably losing money. let's try some back of the envelope calculations and try to Carl Sagan this mother. The fact that they made 15 million from online passes in its first year means that at least 1.5 million used purchases were made of their games. What fraction of those people would buy it new if not for used games? Let's say one-fifth. Seems reasonable to me. Now the game would not cost $50 for all of those purchases. But let's assume an average of $35. This is the midpoint of $20 and $50. That means possible lost sales are somewhere around 35 * .3 million = 10.5 million. This is also not counting the people who would purchase a game who did not buy online passes. So, that 10.5 million is probably low. It also doesn't count forces in the other direction. New games are usually purchased with seemingly artificial money from trade ins. This creates a rather fascinating economy existing only in gaming... but I don't imagine this force being too powerful.
The bottom line is, they are losing some money through used games. But that is part of the business. And sometimes you can alter yourself out of the business itself if you try to control the invisible hand of economics too much.
EDIT: I find it interesting that my low-end figure of 10.5 million is at the low-end of EAs range of 10-15 million sales. This makes me think that the person at EA doing cost analysis actually did the cost analysis and did not just say $10 per pass randomly. It also makes the mathematician in me happy. Thank you Fermi, Feynman, and Sagan!
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on June 11, 2013, 01:11:48 am
Story is just as important as gameplay. Its not the days of 30 min long platformers and puzzle games anymore.
But the movie video games are the natural progression. And they are damn good. I've said it before, but Final Fantasy 13 is one of my favorite movies.
i have to disagree with you on natural progression of games, i'm not a fan of the story of skyrim but the way they integrated the story in gameplay was perfect and a great example on how it should done. you learn about the world and people that live in the world through books and notes, you talk to people and you learn about them and the world and not like they cant do this, we see bookcases,desks,boxes and other items through out games. if i wanted a movie, i would watch a movie. if i wanted game, i would like it to tell the story by using its environment
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on June 12, 2013, 01:49:15 pm
MICROSOFT IS DONE
IT'S FUCKING DONE
Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 12, 2013, 02:08:55 pm
Wow. That is fucking retarded!
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 12, 2013, 03:47:13 pm
I assume from reading that just means it is region locked. But it seems it also means, I can't take my american console to Japan for a semester abroad or such. Honestly, a lot of the language seems purposefully vague.
I'd agree that the XBoxOne is probably going to have a Sega Saturn esque life span. I assume it will last longer than the virtual boy... but who knows. I say two years.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on June 12, 2013, 04:02:27 pm
I assume from reading that just means it is region locked. But it seems it also means, I can't take my american console to Japan for a semester abroad or such. Honestly, a lot of the language seems purposefully vague.
I'd agree that the XBoxOne is probably going to have a Sega Saturn esque life span. I assume it will last longer than the virtual boy... but who knows. I say two years.
Microsoft has a history of continually pushing things that don't work. Zune, Windows 7, etc.; and they have the money to keep pushing. I have a feeling we'll be seeing Xbox One for even longer than 2 years, even though it should die before that.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: pacpix on June 12, 2013, 04:32:31 pm
I assume from reading that just means it is region locked. But it seems it also means, I can't take my american console to Japan for a semester abroad or such. Honestly, a lot of the language seems purposefully vague.
I'd agree that the XBoxOne is probably going to have a Sega Saturn esque life span. I assume it will last longer than the virtual boy... but who knows. I say two years.
Microsoft has a history of continually pushing things that don't work. Zune, Windows 7, etc.; and they have the money to keep pushing. I have a feeling we'll be seeing Xbox One for even longer than 2 years, even though it should die before that.
I think Windows 7 is a nice operating system. What do you not like about it?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on June 12, 2013, 04:49:50 pm
I assume from reading that just means it is region locked. But it seems it also means, I can't take my american console to Japan for a semester abroad or such. Honestly, a lot of the language seems purposefully vague.
I'd agree that the XBoxOne is probably going to have a Sega Saturn esque life span. I assume it will last longer than the virtual boy... but who knows. I say two years.
Microsoft has a history of continually pushing things that don't work. Zune, Windows 7, etc.; and they have the money to keep pushing. I have a feeling we'll be seeing Xbox One for even longer than 2 years, even though it should die before that.
I think Windows 7 is a nice operating system. What do you not like about it?
It's incompatible with sooooo much stuff. And Internet Explorer loves to crash on it. I was forced to move to FireFox because of it.
Not that Windows 8 is any better with either problem, though.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on June 12, 2013, 04:50:21 pm
I don't think they'll get fired for this. These definitely seem aimed at press a bit more than just getting in a twitter war and creating a spectacle for fans. But this does show a lot of the attitude that Microsoft has.
Now they may get fired when Microsoft closes the XBox line, or at least downsizes it dramatically.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: jobocan on June 12, 2013, 07:12:28 pm
So the Best Buy event to play Wii U games is stupid. At least at my Best Buy.
There's one demo unit, and you had to sign in to play a game, and if you get in an hour late because you were working (see: like me) then you can't play games at all.
Good preview event, making sure no one can play.
.... at least the games were pretty, especially Mario Kart.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 12, 2013, 10:30:37 pm
So, I'm just halfway through this now. But it is fantastic. Adam Koralik rants about the XBox One. But he does it very intelligently and not just being angry. I also like how he breaks up the types of gamers. Anyways, it is a good video to just listen to in the background. Watching isn't really needed.
UPDATE @26:30 he states my opinion very well on Sony and Microsoft.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on June 13, 2013, 02:11:49 pm
Microsoft should hire us. We'd know how to make one kick-ass console! 8)
What would you guys do if you were to design the XBox One?
What I would want on it:
-No fees of used games -No need for online "check-ins" -Full backwards compatibility (not emulation) for both XBox 360 and the original XBox. -Steam support. -Make Cloud gaming optional, and still support hard drive and flash drive use. -Wave the XBox Gold requirement for multiplayer (XBox is the only one doing this) and instead give premium support and services for the XBox Gold price. -Pack-in a Halo title with every console (remember pack-in games?). -Create a classic controller for Xbox Live Arcade games.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 13, 2013, 05:07:58 pm
Microsoft should hire us. We'd know how to make one kick-ass console! 8)
What would you guys do if you were to design the XBox One?
What I would want on it:
-No fees of used games -No need for online "check-ins" -Full backwards compatibility (not emulation) for both XBox 360 and the original XBox. -Steam support. -Make Cloud gaming optional, and still support hard drive and flash drive use. -Wave the XBox Gold requirement for multiplayer (XBox is the only one doing this) and instead give premium support and services for the XBox Gold price. -Pack-in a Halo title with every console (remember pack-in games?). -Create a classic controller for Xbox Live Arcade games.
I agree for the most part. But doesn't Sony now charge if you want to play multiplayer with PS4? In all honesty, I don't mind paying a small fee for an online multiplayer server. It does cost money and as long as a decent amount of that fee does actually go to the server, that's something I am willing to pay for.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: ffxik on June 14, 2013, 08:05:23 am
Microsoft should hire us. We'd know how to make one kick-ass console! 8)
What would you guys do if you were to design the XBox One?
What I would want on it:
-No fees of used games -No need for online "check-ins" -Full backwards compatibility (not emulation) for both XBox 360 and the original XBox. -Steam support. -Make Cloud gaming optional, and still support hard drive and flash drive use. -Wave the XBox Gold requirement for multiplayer (XBox is the only one doing this) and instead give premium support and services for the XBox Gold price. -Pack-in a Halo title with every console (remember pack-in games?). -Create a classic controller for Xbox Live Arcade games.
Nope. PS+ is now required for multiplayer on the PS4 @ $5/month
I'm guessing a lot of people aren't really in the know of what it takes to make a console genuinely backwards compatible. Versus the alternate route of emulation which at best is slip shod, yet more cost effective.
The only other problem I have is the Halo game. I have never been a fan of the series so.... A pack in title would be the bee's knees though.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: blipcs76 on June 14, 2013, 10:32:18 am
Great video. I watch/listened to the whole thing. He points out everything that frustrates me about the XBone.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 14, 2013, 12:20:35 pm
I watched the entire thing too. Very spot on. I still cant believe that Microshaft has not come back and decided to change their minds but that shows just how either 1) oblivious, 2) stubborn, or 3) moronic they are.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on June 14, 2013, 12:43:16 pm
I watched the entire thing too. Very spot on. I still cant believe that Microshaft has not come back and decided to change their minds but that shows just how either 1) oblivious, 2) stubborn, or 3) moronic they are.
there desperate. look at win8,win8 phones and look at the UI of both Xboxes, they are trying to be apple, there trying to be trendy and there trying not to become irrelevant and lose money.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: stethebubble on June 14, 2013, 12:48:18 pm
i've never wanted a game console to fail until now. if this xbox one fails then that might open the game publishers and console publishes eyes. WE ARE THE CUSTOMERS! without us you are nothing, give us what we want and not what will make you more money.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: blipcs76 on June 14, 2013, 02:20:49 pm
i've never wanted a game console to fail until now.
My thoughts exactly. I've always been a Nintendo fan, but I never actively rooted against a console manufacturer. The more options for games we have, the better it is for gamers. The XBox One is a huge step backwards for the rights of gamers as consumers. If it succeeds, it will set the precedent that Sony and Nintendo will likely follow and shows we, as consumers, don't really care if we own what we buy. It makes the medium of games 'disposable', which is currently happening with DVDs due to the success of Netflix and other streaming services. My pawn shop has thousands of DVDs for sale and I see huge collections of DVDs at garage sales since people have moved to the convenience of streaming over the certainty and freedom of physical ownership.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: ffxik on June 15, 2013, 03:38:47 am
i've never wanted a game console to fail until now. if this xbox one fails then that might open the game publishers and console publishes eyes. WE ARE THE CUSTOMERS! without us you are nothing, give us what we want and not what will make you more money.
I'm with you there.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: ffxik on June 16, 2013, 03:44:52 am
Personal story read if you wish. :P
Earlier today I decided I needed to get out and head to my local independent game shop. I didn't make it before they closed. Because we blew a tire on the way and was two hours getting it taken care of. :'(
So after plunking down monies for a new tire. I decided to do something stupid. A very reckless decision. I decided to go to Gamestop, the forbidden ground I hadn't walked in years. Knowing full well they would be open. Curious to see the hubbub around the new console generation launch. There must have been an e-mail that circulated because they were pushing the One like no other. Flat out calling the bad press it received lies posted by Sony employees
I asked about the PS4 and by either happenstance or other worldly intervention they were not taking pre-orders for that console at the moment. They told me they had taken all they could but still had plenty of Xbox Ones to get me into the next generation. That they would be able to sell the used games for the One no problem. I noted the expression when I told him I'm not fond of shopping here simply because I'm not a fan of this places business practices.
Needless to say I got kicked out again. I left with a smile on my face. ;D
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 16, 2013, 08:57:16 am
Heh that sounds awesome. I think on my next day out, Im going to go there and see what kind of shit I can start. :D
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: disgaeniac on June 16, 2013, 10:04:40 am
Earlier today I decided I needed to get out and head to my local independent game shop. I didn't make it before they closed. Because we blew a tire on the way and was two hours getting it taken care of. :'(
So after plunking down monies for a new tire. I decided to do something stupid. A very reckless decision. I decided to go to Gamestop, the forbidden ground I hadn't walked in years. Knowing full well they would be open. Curious to see the hubbub around the new console generation launch. There must have been an e-mail that circulated because they were pushing the One like no other. Flat out calling the bad press it received lies posted by Sony employees
I asked about the PS4 and by either happenstance or other worldly intervention they were not taking pre-orders for that console at the moment. They told me they had taken all they could but still had plenty of Xbox Ones to get me into the next generation. That they would be able to sell the used games for the One no problem. I noted the expression when I told him I'm not fond of shopping here simply because I'm not a fan of this places business practices.
Needless to say I got kicked out again. I left with a smile on my face. ;D
Left w/ a smile on your face, and made me smile, too :)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 16, 2013, 02:41:50 pm
They kicked you out, just for saying you're not a fan of how they operate. Wow
I went into a GameStop yesterday and it was the complete opposite. They were pushing PS4 and dogging on the One hard core.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on June 16, 2013, 02:43:02 pm
They kicked you out, just for saying you're not a fan of how they operate. Wow
If he got kicked out, I'm sure it was more than just an underhanded comment. I'd imagine he got a little angry. If not, then yeah, that's ridiculous.
Reading between the lines. The guy wouldn't leave me alone about it. I got called a gullible idiot for "believing the lies online". That snapped the camels back. I went off on him. Granted this was after I stated I wasn't interested in the One, and wouldn't be as long as some corporation dictated what I could and couldn't do with my personal property.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: pceslayer on June 17, 2013, 02:37:06 pm
this thread saddens me... I personally hope the XboxOne does well!
I already have both nextgen systems pre-ordered with 2 games and an extra controller.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: turf on June 17, 2013, 03:19:29 pm
this thread saddens me... I personally hope the XboxOne does well!
I already have both nextgen systems pre-ordered with 2 games and an extra controller.
What saddens me is that this thread has to exist. Is the XBone hate a little excessive? Maybe. Should they be doing stuff to piss off their customers? No. Will I be getting one? Not with these policies in place.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 17, 2013, 03:58:26 pm
I still play my old NES games and that is like 30 years old. But when the Xbox One turns 30, it'll be a long forgotten metal and plastic box that serves no purpose. And that's the problem with digital and cloud computing. Once the servers shut down, the system will die and your games won't be playable any longer. Especially if it's no longer able to hit the check-in server. Or if it's games are using the cloud servers to process parts of the game, what happens if the servers vanish?
Look at EA's sports games. They release a new one every year. Do you think they'll leave the cloud servers running for each individual release? For some reason I doubt it. Not with their track record of shutting down servers for previous editions almost as soon as the next year's version releases.
I wanted to like the One. But, after everything they have announced there is no way they are getting my money. I love my 360. I actually expected to buy heir next gen console too. But once all their bad choices came out with the DRM, Kinect and other crap. There was no way I was jumping on that boat.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: turf on June 17, 2013, 04:09:37 pm
I wanted to like the One. But, after everything they have announced there is no way they are getting my money. I love my 360. I actually expected to buy heir next gen console too. But once all their bad choices came out with the DRM, Kinect and other crap. There was no way I was jumping on that boat.
This^^ I simply do not like the Playstation. I don't know why. It may have been leftover console war stuff from the N64 era. I don't know. Anyway, I'm buying a PS4 this time around because I like the big name games. I'm going to try to wait for the first price drop. I don't know if I'll make it though.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: pceslayer on June 17, 2013, 04:20:14 pm
this thread saddens me... I personally hope the XboxOne does well!
I already have both nextgen systems pre-ordered with 2 games and an extra controller.
What saddens me is that this thread has to exist. Is the XBone hate a little excessive? Maybe. Should they be doing stuff to piss off their customers? No. Will I be getting one? Not with these policies in place.
I don't understand the hate personally... what part of what they say is making people so butthurt? The used games? I'm pretty sure Sony is doing the same thing as MS by leaving DRM up to the publishers. Not to mention no more free online play.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on June 17, 2013, 04:51:46 pm
this thread saddens me... I personally hope the XboxOne does well!
I already have both nextgen systems pre-ordered with 2 games and an extra controller.
What saddens me is that this thread has to exist. Is the XBone hate a little excessive? Maybe. Should they be doing stuff to piss off their customers? No. Will I be getting one? Not with these policies in place.
I don't understand the hate personally... what part of what they say is making people so butthurt? The used games? I'm pretty sure Sony is doing the same thing as MS by leaving DRM up to the publishers. Not to mention no more free online play.
1. An activation fee required to play used games. Absolutely they pisses people off. And no, Sony is not doing it.
2. You have to have permission to lend a game to someone, and it can only be done once, and it can only be done with someone from your friends list.
3. Required internet connection. What if you have a crappy connection? What if you live in rural area? What if you live in a country with crappy internet in general? Or, my situation, what if you take the Xbox 360 to your man cave so your wife can use the living room T.V., and the modem is in the living room?
4. The Kinnect is built in, has a camera that follows you, and can even scan your biorhythms. Talk about big brother.
5. Killer Instinct. From what I understand, when you get the game you only get 1 freaking character to play as. If you want more, you have to pay for each individual character. Let's hope this is not a sign of things to come.
These are greedy and invasive policies. People have all the reason in the world to hate Microsoft for what they're doing. When you pay for property, you should have the right to use it as you please. We don't need big brother checking up on us to be sure we aren't lending games or heaven forbid play a used game without their precious "activation fee." And why does Microsoft think they're special with the used market. There has always been a used market out there for anything: Books, music, movies, furniture, cars, houses, etc. You don't see anyone else taking such drastic measures against it.
Microsoft is alienating themselves from the rural market, and from entire countries due to the internet policy; and from the lower-income fanbase that buys used.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 17, 2013, 04:54:38 pm
There is a lot going on with the Xbox None. First off, the constant online check. Say your home is like mine. I have a cable modem hooked up to my computer. I dont bother with routers cause I honestly dont need one. With the Xbox None, I would have to disconnect my modem and run a cord to my system every day in case the chance I wanted to play it the next day was there (I say the next day cause I would have probably missed the online check the day of). If you miss that check in, your system is worthless till then next check in ... Once the servers are down, there will never be another check in and you will never be able to use your system again. Also if you happen to not live in the 20 or so countries that are Microshaft approved, you cant play the system anyhow cause Xbox live will not be available there so no server checks at all.
Next is the way the games actually work. You put the game into your system and it downloads the entire game. Once its done downloading, you dont even touch the disk again. While this sounds cool, the underlying fact is the game itself becomes worthless. It is then registered to your system. If you get bored of the game, you can only sell it to participating Microshaft approved resellers. Once someone else registers the game, the one you have becomes nothing. Once the game has been registered twice, it can no longer be registered again. So if you buy a used game for your Xbox None, you better love that fucker cause you cant resell it again.
Next is the kinect issue. Your kinect must be connected at all times as well as the microphone for the system. Its not just a one way set up. Microshaft can and will use those to see what is going on in your house for specific reasons. For example : You rent a movie through your system. You inform the system that 4 people are going to be watching and you pay for the movie. They have the ability to look and see if its actually 4 people watching. If the number is 5 or more, they will shut off your movie until you pay for the additional people.
Im sure there is some other stuff I am not totally thinking of right now but you can get the drift from that. Basically nothing you buy for the system including the system itself is actually yours to use as you see fit as long as you want. For $500 plus the cost of whatever games you buy, you are getting a limited rental of the items.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: pceslayer on June 17, 2013, 05:05:10 pm
this thread saddens me... I personally hope the XboxOne does well!
I already have both nextgen systems pre-ordered with 2 games and an extra controller.
What saddens me is that this thread has to exist. Is the XBone hate a little excessive? Maybe. Should they be doing stuff to piss off their customers? No. Will I be getting one? Not with these policies in place.
I don't understand the hate personally... what part of what they say is making people so butthurt? The used games? I'm pretty sure Sony is doing the same thing as MS by leaving DRM up to the publishers. Not to mention no more free online play.
1. An activation fee required to play used games. Absolutely they pisses people off. And no, Sony is not doing it.
2. You have to have permission to lend a game to someone, and it can only be done once, and it can only be done with someone from your friends list.
3. Required internet connection. What if you have a crappy connection? What if you live in rural area? What if you live in a country with crappy internet in general? Or, my situation, what if you take the Xbox 360 to your man cave so your wife can use the living room T.V., and the modem is in the living room?
4. The Kinnect is built in, has a camera that follows you, and can even scan your biorhythms. Talk about big brother.
5. Killer Instinct. From what I understand, when you get the game you only get 1 freaking character to play as. If you want more, you have to pay for each individual character.
These are greedy and invasive policies. People have all the reason in the world to hate Microsoft for what they're doing. When you pay for property, you should have the right to use it as you please. We don't need big brother checking up on us to be sure we aren't lending games or heaven forbid play a used game without their precious "activation fee." And why does Microsoft think they're special with the used market. There has always been a used market out there for anything: Books, music, movies, furniture, cars, houses, etc. You don't see anyone else taking such drastic measures against it.
Microsoft is alienating themselves from the rural market, and from entire countries due to the internet policy; and from the lower-income fanbase that buys used.
1) completely up to the publisher 2)What about this? http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/54648/ms-confirms-xbox-one-family-sharing-feature-allows-up-to-any-ten-people 3)non issue... really... built in wifi 4)I'll give you that... I dont care for kinect 5)wrong wrong wrong... http://www.polygon.com/e3-2013/2013/6/14/4420310/defending-killer-instinct
The XboxOne's policies dont make sense because it still takes Discs... Just pretend for a moment it is a discless system then you'll understand a little better of what they are trying to accomplish.
I am an avid game collector and don't like the idea that physical media is going to the wayside, but at the same time I am a gamer first and foremost so I will go where the games are.
How many of you guys have $500+ cell phones that have a lifespan of less thans 2 years?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: pceslayer on June 17, 2013, 05:09:21 pm
There is a lot going on with the Xbox None. First off, the constant online check. Say your home is like mine. I have a cable modem hooked up to my computer. I dont bother with routers cause I honestly dont need one. With the Xbox None, I would have to disconnect my modem and run a cord to my system every day in case the chance I wanted to play it the next day was there (I say the next day cause I would have probably missed the online check the day of). If you miss that check in, your system is worthless till then next check in ... Once the servers are down, there will never be another check in and you will never be able to use your system again. Also if you happen to not live in the 20 or so countries that are Microshaft approved, you cant play the system anyhow cause Xbox live will not be available there so no server checks at all.
Next is the way the games actually work. You put the game into your system and it downloads the entire game. Once its done downloading, you dont even touch the disk again. While this sounds cool, the underlying fact is the game itself becomes worthless. It is then registered to your system. If you get bored of the game, you can only sell it to participating Microshaft approved resellers. Once someone else registers the game, the one you have becomes nothing. Once the game has been registered twice, it can no longer be registered again. So if you buy a used game for your Xbox None, you better love that fucker cause you cant resell it again.
Next is the kinect issue. Your kinect must be connected at all times as well as the microphone for the system. Its not just a one way set up. Microshaft can and will use those to see what is going on in your house for specific reasons. For example : You rent a movie through your system. You inform the system that 4 people are going to be watching and you pay for the movie. They have the ability to look and see if its actually 4 people watching. If the number is 5 or more, they will shut off your movie until you pay for the additional people.
Im sure there is some other stuff I am not totally thinking of right now but you can get the drift from that. Basically nothing you buy for the system including the system itself is actually yours to use as you see fit as long as you want. For $500 plus the cost of whatever games you buy, you are getting a limited rental of the items.
So youve used one? No? So all of these are assumptions then? I see...
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 17, 2013, 05:33:34 pm
Definitely NSFW. But certainly funny and will speak to most of us. Contrasting opinion from the first video. For those of you wondering since a few of my posts may seem schizo, I fall on the alphaomegasin side.
Watch this again ...
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 17, 2013, 05:34:06 pm
So, I'm just halfway through this now. But it is fantastic. Adam Koralik rants about the XBox One. But he does it very intelligently and not just being angry. I also like how he breaks up the types of gamers. Anyways, it is a good video to just listen to in the background. Watching isn't really needed.
UPDATE @26:30 he states my opinion very well on Sony and Microsoft.
Also ... watch this ...
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 17, 2013, 05:34:37 pm
Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions.
This article seems to report on how the used market will be played out on the XBOX ONE. http://www.oxmonline.com/report-trade-process-xbox-one-revealed. Sounds to complicated to me, not that I have ever sold off any of my games to any used store.
Yet one more thing to watch.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: redblaze57 on June 17, 2013, 06:29:22 pm
3. Required internet connection. What if you have a crappy connection? What if you live in rural area? What if you live in a country with crappy internet in general? Or, my situation, what if you take the Xbox 360 to your man cave so your wife can use the living room T.V., and the modem is in the living room?
5. Killer Instinct. From what I understand, when you get the game you only get 1 freaking character to play as. If you want more, you have to pay for each individual character.
These are greedy and invasive policies. People have all the reason in the world to hate Microsoft for what they're doing. When you pay for property, you should have the right to use it as you please. We don't need big brother checking up on us to be sure we aren't lending games or heaven forbid play a used game without their precious "activation fee." And why does Microsoft think they're special with the used market. There has always been a used market out there for anything: Books, music, movies, furniture, cars, houses, etc. You don't see anyone else taking such drastic measures against it.
Microsoft is alienating themselves from the rural market, and from entire countries due to the internet policy; and from the lower-income fanbase that buys used.
The XboxOne's policies dont make sense because it still takes Discs... Just pretend for a moment it is a discless system then you'll understand a little better of what they are trying to accomplish.
I am an avid game collector and don't like the idea that physical media is going to the wayside, but at the same time I am a gamer first and foremost so I will go where the games are.
How many of you guys have $500+ cell phones that have a lifespan of less thans 2 years?
3)ok how about solder's being stationed somewhere the xbox one is not supported? shouldn't they be able to enjoy the games also?
5) how about the fact that double helix is making it? Known for making G.I. Joe rise of cobra, Green Lanturn: Rise of the Manhunters, and Battleship.
and how about when the servers shut down? whether it's because it's not supported anymore or someone hacks it like they did Sony a few years ago... your basically left with a brick
also the most I ever paid for a cell phone is $50... because my sister washed the phone I had and I wasn't due for an upgrade anytime soon. I also still use my last cell phone as an alarm clock.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 17, 2013, 06:49:05 pm
I'm a gamer first and foremost as well and I'm in the hobby for my own enjoyment. There are a few reasons why I'll never buy a Xbox One.
1. Used Games - I buy a lot of used games. I can't really afford to buy every release as they come out and so I end up looking for a used copy after the fact. Plus, if they are limiting used game sales to "approved retailers" that cuts out a lot of mom & pop stores. I run a mom & pop store and it's hard to compete w/ big boys on a lot of stuff. Now, with Microsoft basically saying "fuck you little shops, we want only these 'approved people' to sell used games" that cuts out an entire product line for these stores to carry, which will make it harder for them to stay open.
2. Always Online/ Mandatory Check-Ins - Over the course of my gaming life, I've been known to take game consoles w/ me on vacations or to other places where I can't connect to the internet. We rarely stayed in hotels and instead stayed in campers and motorhomes. If I have to have an always on/ check-in w/ a console, then I can't take it w/ me. Because if the console won't let you play games when you're not connected to the internet, it's pointless to take it with you anywhere, ever. It's the same problem a lot of service members are saying. If they go on tour, then they can't take their console with them to game on. Cause out in the boonies there is no internet. Hell, 10 miles north of my house you can't get cable. I know people who have taken Xboxes and PS2s to Iraq and it was one of the only things to keep them sane. Now if they go off anywhere, they can't take the One with them to play their hot new system while they are serving.
3. The Fucking Cloud - If they are using the "cloud" to process sections of their games, rather than the hardware. It essentially makes the games worthless in 20 years when all the processing servers shut down. These are not things that can be left running indefinitely due to costs. So when the system has run it's course, wave goodbye to your games, or at least the exclusives you liked. Then go buy a PS4 and repurchase all the multiplatform titles you enjoyed.
4. Non-Upgradeable HDD - Seriously, you have this system that requires you to install everything you play onto the hard drive and then you don't allow it to be upgradeable at all? Really? That's retarded. Especially considering the size of games now a days. If it's ripping an entire blu-ray disc to the HDD, that's a lot of info. Sooner, rather than later, you're going to run out of room. But, no, you can't put in a 3TB drive or something lots larger.
The Kinect is getting rammed down our throats, the discs are basically disc-based key codes and everything else involved with the system is so anti-consumer that it's ridiculous.
Like I said, I love my 360. I wanted to love the One. But unfortunately Microsoft has come up with this, thing, that from where I'm standing looks like it's going to do more harm to the industry than help it. When the 360 launched, Microsoft stole me away from the Sony crowd. But come release time, I'm going back to Sony and my wallet is voting PS4.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 17, 2013, 07:33:57 pm
From a gamer perspective, and not a collector perspective. The only thing I personally would have a problem with is the connecting online once every 24 hours. But even as a gamer, the fact that the system becomes a paperweight once it is obsolete upsets me. It may not if Microsoft had a better track record. But as of now the only game that is essentially unplayable is Phantasy Star Online for the XBox. The other versions (dreamcast, Gamecube, PC) are fine. But XBox's infrastructure killed it. Moreover, the XBLA games from 360 won't go to the XBox One. This is understandable due to the different architectures. But nevertheless, it reinforces the fact that these games will be unplayable in the future.
I'm actually all for having a discless system. I live in a fairly small apartment. I intend to for some time. I don't need another system to collect for. But I would not buy digital content from Nintendo or Microsoft. Their systems are either lacking or not set up to get games back when the next system comes out (Microsoft) or your console breaks (Nintendo). Steam is all fine and dandy if you swap to a new PC. They have a good model. Sony's seems decent albeit slow.
I also would not buy a phone for $500. In fact, the US market isn't set up for those prices anyway. We get massive discounts on hardware for signing a contract. As much as it got panned, if Microsoft did something similar to the phone and the other designed obsolescence businesses and discounted the hardware due to some commitment, I think I would accept it better. But the fact is: the XBox one has a congenital and intentional death note. And it costs $100 more than a very comparable machine that will last indefinitely (as far as we know).
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: burningdoom on June 17, 2013, 08:11:36 pm
this thread saddens me... I personally hope the XboxOne does well!
I already have both nextgen systems pre-ordered with 2 games and an extra controller.
What saddens me is that this thread has to exist. Is the XBone hate a little excessive? Maybe. Should they be doing stuff to piss off their customers? No. Will I be getting one? Not with these policies in place.
I don't understand the hate personally... what part of what they say is making people so butthurt? The used games? I'm pretty sure Sony is doing the same thing as MS by leaving DRM up to the publishers. Not to mention no more free online play.
1. An activation fee required to play used games. Absolutely they pisses people off. And no, Sony is not doing it.
2. You have to have permission to lend a game to someone, and it can only be done once, and it can only be done with someone from your friends list.
3. Required internet connection. What if you have a crappy connection? What if you live in rural area? What if you live in a country with crappy internet in general? Or, my situation, what if you take the Xbox 360 to your man cave so your wife can use the living room T.V., and the modem is in the living room?
4. The Kinnect is built in, has a camera that follows you, and can even scan your biorhythms. Talk about big brother.
5. Killer Instinct. From what I understand, when you get the game you only get 1 freaking character to play as. If you want more, you have to pay for each individual character.
These are greedy and invasive policies. People have all the reason in the world to hate Microsoft for what they're doing. When you pay for property, you should have the right to use it as you please. We don't need big brother checking up on us to be sure we aren't lending games or heaven forbid play a used game without their precious "activation fee." And why does Microsoft think they're special with the used market. There has always been a used market out there for anything: Books, music, movies, furniture, cars, houses, etc. You don't see anyone else taking such drastic measures against it.
Microsoft is alienating themselves from the rural market, and from entire countries due to the internet policy; and from the lower-income fanbase that buys used.
1) completely up to the publisher 2)What about this? http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/54648/ms-confirms-xbox-one-family-sharing-feature-allows-up-to-any-ten-people 3)non issue... really... built in wifi 4)I'll give you that... I dont care for kinect 5)wrong wrong wrong... http://www.polygon.com/e3-2013/2013/6/14/4420310/defending-killer-instinct
The XboxOne's policies dont make sense because it still takes Discs... Just pretend for a moment it is a discless system then you'll understand a little better of what they are trying to accomplish.
I am an avid game collector and don't like the idea that physical media is going to the wayside, but at the same time I am a gamer first and foremost so I will go where the games are.
How many of you guys have $500+ cell phones that have a lifespan of less thans 2 years?
1. So what if it's up to the publisher? It's still an incredibly crappy policy that limits people on a budget. And why? Nearly everything has a used market, and you don't see other industries taking such drastic measures against it.
Nintendo put it best in a recent interview. I don't remember the exact wording, but basically they said they aren't worried about the used game market because they make quality games that people hold on to and want to play over and over again. If Microsoft was so worried about it, then they need focus on making better quality games rather than trying to put restrictive policies on people for a few more $.
2. I bought the property. It's mine to do with what I want. If I want to lend the game to 11 friends and family members, that's my game to do with what I want. Microsoft has no business telling me what I can or can't do with my property.
3. What do you mean "non issue?" To you personally, maybe. But to all those other people I already pointed out in my original post, what about them?
5. I stand corrected then. That was my understanding of it.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: redblaze57 on June 17, 2013, 08:19:49 pm
ok Don Mattrick is really starting to get on my nerves http://asia.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-defends-xbox-one-500-price-point-were-over-delivering-value-6410352?tag=nl.e513&s_cid=e513&ttag=e513
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 17, 2013, 08:25:27 pm
1. So what if it's up to the publisher? It's still and incredibly crappy policy that limits people on a budget. And why? Nearly everything has a used market, and you don't see other industries taking such drastic measures against it.
Nintendo put it best in a recent interview. I don't remember the exact wording, but basically they said they aren't worried about the used game market because they make quality games that people hold on to and want to play over and over again. If Microsoft was so worried about it, then they need focus on making better quality games rather than trying to put restrictive policies on people for a few more $.
The up to the publisher is a bit scary as well. This is what I dislike Sony for in the past. Part of me really thinks it will just get worse this generation with Sony's DRM. Sony has had a long history of forcing DRM in the backdoor whether it is in the music business or through HDMI. The put it on the publishers seems to be there newest move.
During follow-up interviews, Sony America chief executive Jack Tretton said that "the DRM decision is going to have to be answered by the third parties, it's not something we're going to control or dictate or mandate or implement." In other words: publishers will be able to use their own DRM implementations to block sale or rental of disc-based games, despite Sony's assurances to the contrary.
He basically says they won't have DRM on sony first-party games. No mention of second party or third party. He does go out of his way to mention "first-party" will not have DRM. But third party has already had DRM for PS2 and PS3. Albeit in small numbers.
Nintendo still seems to have the best policy (for my personal preference)
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 17, 2013, 08:26:40 pm
ok Don Mattrick is really starting to get on my nerves http://asia.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-defends-xbox-one-500-price-point-were-over-delivering-value-6410352?tag=nl.e513&s_cid=e513&ttag=e513
Agreed.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 17, 2013, 08:27:11 pm
Wonder if he actually believes the bullshit that he is spewing.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: pceslayer on June 17, 2013, 08:47:35 pm
1. So what if it's up to the publisher? It's still and incredibly crappy policy that limits people on a budget. And why? Nearly everything has a used market, and you don't see other industries taking such drastic measures against it.
Nintendo put it best in a recent interview. I don't remember the exact wording, but basically they said they aren't worried about the used game market because they make quality games that people hold on to and want to play over and over again. If Microsoft was so worried about it, then they need focus on making better quality games rather than trying to put restrictive policies on people for a few more $.
The up to the publisher is a bit scary as well. This is what I dislike Sony for in the past. Part of me really thinks it will just get worse this generation with Sony's DRM. Sony has had a long history of forcing DRM in the backdoor whether it is in the music business or through HDMI. The put it on the publishers seems to be there newest move.
During follow-up interviews, Sony America chief executive Jack Tretton said that "the DRM decision is going to have to be answered by the third parties, it's not something we're going to control or dictate or mandate or implement." In other words: publishers will be able to use their own DRM implementations to block sale or rental of disc-based games, despite Sony's assurances to the contrary.
He basically says they won't have DRM on sony first-party games. No mention of second party or third party. He does go out of his way to mention "first-party" will not have DRM. But third party has already had DRM for PS2 and PS3. Albeit in small numbers.
Nintendo still seems to have the best policy (for my personal preference)
This is exactly what I was talking about! Sony seems to be doing almost the same thing as MS... Its just that Sony words it differently and adds that Sony spin we all love (not!). The only real difference I see at this point between the two consoles is the $100 and the 24hr check in.
Thats not enough for me to bring out the pitchforks and torches.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: pceslayer on June 17, 2013, 09:31:47 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syQDMEFq3H4
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 17, 2013, 10:14:08 pm
That was a nice video. I like how bland his point was and how far people took it. He basically said, "hey we don't know too much yet. You might consider not preordering anything yet." Some of the comments seemed to think Adam said that the PS4 and XBox are doing the same thing and both suck. Silly people.
I personally have held off on preordering. But mainly because I just don't really like Nintendo games enough to get a WiiU. I don't trust nor like Sony... yet. Microsoft has lost my business. As of now I am looking at both Sony and Nintendo a bit. But honestly it all relies on SEGA. Yakuza... Valkyria Chronicles....
But my nextgen purchase will probably be a few years out. I'm going to let other people be the test audience.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: blipcs76 on June 18, 2013, 10:54:30 am
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Microsoft is alienating themselves from the rural market, and from entire countries due to the internet policy; and from the lower-income fanbase that buys used.
20% of the US population lives in rural areas and much of that has spotty or slow Internet speeds. My dad and brother are farmers and can only get about a 1MB connection, so my brother simply does not have the option to get an XBox One system. So they're completely writing off about 1/5th of the country due to their requirements. Not everyone lives in urban/suburban areas with access to reliable, fast broadband, and they just showed they don't care one bit about gamers who live out in the country.
There's also millions of households that just don't have Internet access in their homes for one reason or another (use Internet at work, get it on their phone, cannot afford it, etc.).
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: ffxik on June 19, 2013, 02:29:05 am
Well from what I am understanding both companies have left the DRM thing up to the publisher. However because of the vitriol that this has produced the publishers are unsure if they want to proceed. If one publisher does the lock down especially on a game that had a monstrous budget. It more than likely isn't going to sell very well. The though of that alone has given them pause.
So there is the answer to the problem. Wait for the publisher to make the first move then sink the boat. Can't make any money off what doesn't sell. The only reason EA and Activision got as far as they did is because people went out and still bought their games.
Regardless to what nonsense they want to spew about what is hurting the industry the most. It's not the used game sales. It's not the pirates. It's the budget bloat. When you spend 5-8 million dollars to make a game that for one reason or another does not sell, or conversely that sells well but not up to what you had projected. you're pretty much boned.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on June 19, 2013, 06:41:01 pm
Look at all that backtracking.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update
TL;DR Games are no longer region locked, untradable, or unplayable on any consoles that aren't your own. Digital stuff still is, but that's digital stuff so it's not important.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: tpugmire on June 19, 2013, 06:44:14 pm
Still not buying one, the damage is done.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: jobocan on June 19, 2013, 06:48:34 pm
Now they just need to remove the Kinect requirement (IE make a bundle without it) and reduce the price to actual reasonable levels....
They still insulted all of the gaming fanbase, but at least they're doing something mildly good.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 19, 2013, 07:31:54 pm
Nope still not buying it. Cya MS.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 19, 2013, 07:39:01 pm
My guess is that their preorders were REALLY low. Looking at Amazons top sellers the XBox one is now in first place. However, Sony has 5 different launch packages of PS4 in the top 10. My guess (which I'm sure I share with a lot of people) is that XBox is going to be playing catch up this generation.
There are not many people I really dislike without having met. But Don Mattrick is one of those people.
This is good news though. Hopefully, it will squash some of these practices due to how big of a failure this was. Gaming will still change. But this will be when physical media completely goes away.
I wonder if the games still have to be installed to the hard drive. I'd assume so, and you just have to pop in the disc if not online... ?
I want to see how everything is implemented. But honestly, I might be onboard. Forza is one of the franchises I really like. And, I'll be honest, I really like Halo. Plus, I do like the set top features. I might be the only one. But I like turning on NHL game center, youtube, or netflix on XBox while surfing on my laptop.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: turf on June 19, 2013, 07:54:02 pm
Is the damage done? I don't know. Gamers are a fickle bunch. They may promise a boycott, but the launch isn't until fall. We'll have to wait and see. I'm glad Microsoft heard our voice (read: lack of preorders), but it may be too little too late.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 19, 2013, 08:21:23 pm
I find their backtracking to be a smart move ... but I definitely agree with the majority here : the damage is done. The snobbish attitude that they showed earlier with stuff like if you cant connect every day, buy a 360 really put a ton of people off. And whose to say that they wont go back to their bullshit once people get the system in their houses.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: redblaze57 on June 19, 2013, 08:47:28 pm
I'm still going to go with the PS4 for this gen, will I get an Xbone down the road...Maybe if they release one with a bigger hard drive cause let's face it 500gb is not going to be enough with mandatory install. Also NO KINECT PLEASE.
while writing this, a video popped up on my youtube feed and he's got a good point.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: jobocan on June 19, 2013, 08:54:49 pm
They're just doing the obvious move. The smart move would have been to not reveal these policies in the first place, meaning Sony would have revealed something similar first and gotten all the flak, instead of letting them just get all the gamers' respect like that :P
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21 They have lost my trust.
Post by: htimreimer on June 19, 2013, 09:19:54 pm
here is the backtracking statement from microsoft
"Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console — there will be no regional restrictions.These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year."
still not buying one, they have lost my trust.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 19, 2013, 09:20:06 pm
Its only a smart move now ... it shouldnt have been necessary to begin with honestly.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on June 19, 2013, 09:30:10 pm
Its only a smart move now ... it shouldnt have been necessary to begin with honestly.
If they'd have paid attention and done this before E3, it would have been a smart move. If it had come out the E3 press conference, Sony's big announcement would have lost a lot of steam.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 19, 2013, 10:36:16 pm
Its only a smart move now ... it shouldnt have been necessary to begin with honestly.
its a smart move but would you pay $499 for it?
Oh its not going to change my preference this gen or any other generation. Ive been a Sony fan boy for years. PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP, and 11 years of Everquest.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: stethebubble on June 19, 2013, 10:40:01 pm
This is a good day for gamers. hopefully these huge companies now see that WE are the customer. i will still buy both a ps4 and a wiiu before i look at the xboxone but at least now i will look at getting this in the future.
when i was listening to the forza 5 reveal and the guy was saying that you have to be online for the AI i was confused. WHY do you not have standard AI and then if you go online it updates. it made no sense saying that was the reason you had to be online.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: insektmute on June 19, 2013, 10:43:33 pm
As others have said, they've already burned their bridges. Between all the pre-slim 360 issues, the ads, the nickel and diming, and all that other shit, they were already on my bad side. So I waited, and watched, hoping they'd see where they went wrong and make an honest effort to do better. Their response was to show that not only did they learn absolutely nothing, but their sole interest was to try and gouge gamers to such an extent that if they were to succeed, they would almost certainly do irreversible damage to the entire industry.
Gamers are fickle as hell, and there are plenty of people who will switch their pre-orders over from a PS4, but I'm not letting them sweep this shit under the carpet just because their plans didn't work out.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 19, 2013, 10:47:22 pm
Its only a smart move now ... it shouldnt have been necessary to begin with honestly.
If they'd have paid attention and done this before E3, it would have been a smart move. If it had come out the E3 press conference, Sony's big announcement would have lost a lot of steam.
Agreed.
I like the XBox systems. I was surprised at how much I liked the original XBox. Back in 2001 for an Apple fanboy,n Microsoft was the enemy. But I went to the dark side for Shenmue 2, Panzer Dragoon, Jet Set Radio, etc. I actually played through these games, never touched another XBox game and sold the system. I wanted to play the SEGA games but did not want a Microsoft system.
Fast forward to 2011ish. I really want to play Marvel Vs. Capcom 3. I decide to purchase a used XBox 360 with MvC3, and once tired of the game, sell it again. But I freakin fell in love with the system. Went to the original XBox again and discovered Halo. I found out this game I always thought was a complete Bro game still kept the insanely sic-fi nerd aspect of its Marathon roots. Seriously, that game is like a Battlestar Galactica/Arthur C. Clarke love child.
Anyways, XBox won me over. I was really planning on preordering the XBox One. Then all the rumors came true. There was no way I'm getting the machine. Even with everything "reversed" (for now). I'm going to have to wait it out a few years. I want to see exactly how the system is. Microsoft has done two things: 1) made a lot of fans for Sony and Nintendo 2) made a lot of diehard fans want to wait it out. This could be a real rocky start for the system because of these two things.
Definitely should have been done before E3. I want an XBox One that can play disc games offline. I want Forza, Halo, Dead Rising 3, etc. But I'm willing to wait now.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: htimreimer on June 19, 2013, 11:12:57 pm
now that the DRM is gone, is the xbox worth $499?
for me its not, microsoft are sill gonna have ads all over the place and all of its selling features (aka non gaming stuff) are available on smart tv's, smart phone's and pc's, the hardware is mid range pc as of now and low range pc by next year and most of the exclusive games will be the same old bro games. there's nothing that makes me want to buy it
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: stethebubble on June 19, 2013, 11:15:11 pm
Its only a smart move now ... it shouldnt have been necessary to begin with honestly.
If they'd have paid attention and done this before E3, it would have been a smart move. If it had come out the E3 press conference, Sony's big announcement would have lost a lot of steam.
Agreed.
I like the XBox systems. I was surprised at how much I liked the original XBox. Back in 2001 for an Apple fanboy,n Microsoft was the enemy. But I went to the dark side for Shenmue 2, Panzer Dragoon, Jet Set Radio, etc. I actually played through these games, never touched another XBox game and sold the system. I wanted to play the SEGA games but did not want a Microsoft system.
Fast forward to 2011ish. I really want to play Marvel Vs. Capcom 3. I decide to purchase a used XBox 360 with MvC3, and once tired of the game, sell it again. But I freakin fell in love with the system. Went to the original XBox again and discovered Halo. I found out this game I always thought was a complete Bro game still kept the insanely sic-fi nerd aspect of its Marathon roots. Seriously, that game is like a Battlestar Galactica/Arthur C. Clarke love child.
Anyways, XBox won me over. I was really planning on preordering the XBox One. Then all the rumors came true. There was no way I'm getting the machine. Even with everything "reversed" (for now). I'm going to have to wait it out a few years. I want to see exactly how the system is. Microsoft has done two things: 1) made a lot of fans for Sony and Nintendo 2) made a lot of diehard fans want to wait it out. This could be a real rocky start for the system because of these two things.
Definitely should have been done before E3. I want an XBox One that can play disc games offline. I want Forza, Halo, Dead Rising 3, etc. But I'm willing to wait now.
i couldn't agree more. the xbox 360 is my second fave system after the ps2. and the 360 controller is BY FAR the best controller ive ever used. i even got a wired one for my PC. one issue i did have with the 360 is all the advertisements on the home screen, Why was the first AD bigger than the game button?
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: stethebubble on June 19, 2013, 11:15:33 pm
for me its not, microsoft are sill gonna have ads all over the place and all of its selling features (aka non gaming stuff) are available on smart tv's, smart phone's and pc's, the hardware is mid range pc as of now and low range pc by next year and most of the exclusive games will be the same old bro games. there's nothing that makes me want to buy it
and thats why i just got a gaming laptop
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: blipcs76 on June 20, 2013, 01:03:18 am
Too little, too late. You've played your hand MS and it's obvious where you intend to take gaming in the future. I will not support what you plan to do to this industry.
I fully think MS was just testing the waters to see what they could get away with:
- If we revolted, they would announce these policies were overturned because they're listening to their customers, and act like they made the change out of respect for us. - If we didn't, they'd forge ahead with their anti-consumer, online required, DRM-laden BS.
We threw a fit and they quickly scrambled to overturn these policies. Six months from now, most gamers will have forgotten this debacle. But I won't. You've lost my trust and the allegience of the thousands of XBox owners who've already laid down the cash to preorder a PS4. Sony will have the install base advantage, the raw power advantage and the price advantage on day 1.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: thomascozine on June 20, 2013, 01:59:34 am
The Kinect, with it's always on, still freaks me out. The fact you can't turn it completely off, or unplug it for that matter, is just stupid.
And don't get me started on this bullshit: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa
I'm definitely gonna wait a long while before I really consider getting an XBone.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 20, 2013, 07:35:01 pm
The Kinect, with it's always on, still freaks me out. The fact you can't turn it completely off, or unplug it for that matter, is just stupid.
And don't get me started on this bullshit: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa
I'm definitely gonna wait a long while before I really consider getting an XBone.
Patents are really "patent everything you can for the company that way we cover ourselves for as much as possible in the future". I worked in labs for years, we were always told to patent any idea we had, and even had to sign paperwork stating that if anything in terms of inventing or developing was done in the area of the company's work, we needed to go through the company and work on a patent. We were expected to do this. Then I taught. Now I'm back in a lab environment. And last Monday when filling out the HR paperwork, guess what, I had to sign the patent expectation paperwork. Patents filed by a company mean nothing.
I'm also not too worried about the kinect spying on me. I understand the fears. But honestly, if Microsoft wants to watch me watching old reruns of the Fresh Prince, well... I guess they can go for it. And if you are concerned, put a post it on the camera and put sound dampening foam on the microphone. It will be on, but will just assume no one is there. Or option 2, let microsoft watch and listen to you as you watch Carlton dance to Tom Jones.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: thomascozine on June 20, 2013, 07:42:49 pm
The Kinect, with it's always on, still freaks me out. The fact you can't turn it completely off, or unplug it for that matter, is just stupid.
And don't get me started on this bullshit: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa
I'm definitely gonna wait a long while before I really consider getting an XBone.
Patents are really "patent everything you can for the company that way we cover ourselves for as much as possible in the future". I worked in labs for years, we were always told to patent any idea we had, and even had to sign paperwork stating that if anything in terms of inventing or developing was done in the area of the company's work, we needed to go through the company and work on a patent. We were expected to do this. Then I taught. Now I'm back in a lab environment. And last Monday when filling out the HR paperwork, guess what, I had to sign the patent expectation paperwork. Patents filed by a company mean nothing.
I'm also not too worried about the kinect spying on me. I understand the fears. But honestly, if Microsoft wants to watch me watching old reruns of the Fresh Prince, well... I guess they can go for it. And if you are concerned, put a post it on the camera and put sound dampening foam on the microphone. It will be on, but will just assume no one is there. Or option 2, let microsoft watch and listen to you as you watch Carlton dance to Tom Jones.
Haha. In this case I think I'll end up going with option 3. Not buying an XBox One. ;D Only time will tell.
I get what you're saying. A patent may just be a patent. But it's up to the consumer to make their voices heard to ensure that it stays just a patent. And I for one will not stay quiet about it. 1984 was not an instruction manual. >:(
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 20, 2013, 08:05:13 pm
I was reading the comments on TrueAchievements' latest news post and I found it kinda funny.
A bunch of people are complaining that Microsoft caved and "set us back 6 years" thanks to the complainers and bed wetters. And they are all under the impression that the Family Sharing plan would have let them buy a game and share it among 10 friends allowing them all access to the game at the same time.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: blipcs76 on June 21, 2013, 10:53:00 am
I was reading the comments on TrueAchievements' latest news post and I found it kinda funny.
A bunch of people are complaining that Microsoft caved and "set us back 6 years" thanks to the complainers and bed wetters. And they are all under the impression that the Family Sharing plan would have let them buy a game and share it among 10 friends allowing them all access to the game at the same time.
Those are the type of gamers who play stuff like COD/Halo/Madden and consider games to be disposable entertainment, to be forgotten when the next thing comes along or "Steam gamers", who want instant delivery of games and don't want to leave their house to get them.
I honestly don't understand either groups. Morons who only play stuff like the annual Call of Duty release complain that Nintendo only has Mario games, when there as many COD games released on the 360 alone than every primary series Mario release dating back to the NES.
Core Mario releases: SMB1 SMB2 SMB3 SMB World Mario 64 Mario Sunshine Mario Galaxy Mario Galaxy 2
Core COD releases on the 360: COD2 COD3 COD Modern Warfare COD Modern Warfare 2 COD Modern Warfare 3 COD Black Ops COD Black Ops 2 COD World At War
And the previous gen is was Tom Clancy games: Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon saw a ton of releases on the XBox: Tom Clancy's Classic Trilogy Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 2 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 2: Summit Strike Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Island Thunder Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Black Arrow Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Critical Hour Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Lockdown Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: foxhack on June 21, 2013, 12:44:05 pm
Whoa whoa hold it right there, you can't lump in the Splinter Cell games in with the other generic Tom Clancy shooters. That's a separate series and it was stealth, not strategy / FPS / whatever. And it's been around since the Xbox days. :P
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on June 21, 2013, 10:21:52 pm
I thought I would add Adam Koralik's new XBox One video since a few people seemed to like the first one. First I like his shirt choices. XBox One rant = red ring shirt. Microsoft remove DRM = Happy Console Gamer shirt. Nice!
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: blipcs76 on June 24, 2013, 09:58:11 am
Whoa whoa hold it right there, you can't lump in the Splinter Cell games in with the other generic Tom Clancy shooters. That's a separate series and it was stealth, not strategy / FPS / whatever. And it's been around since the Xbox days. :P
That's a fair objection, but at the same time Nintendo haters lump Mario platformers, Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf and Mario party together even though they're all distinctly different types of games.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: jobocan on June 24, 2013, 10:43:19 am
Whoa whoa hold it right there, you can't lump in the Splinter Cell games in with the other generic Tom Clancy shooters. That's a separate series and it was stealth, not strategy / FPS / whatever. And it's been around since the Xbox days. :P
Well Conviction was basically just a shooter, I'd lump that one in with the rest of the Tom Clancy games. The rest of Splinter Cell not so much, of course.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: soera on June 24, 2013, 11:20:33 am
I just watched the second video. I agree with basically everything other than I dont think Microshaft is going to catch up at all. The damage is done and people simply arent going to support the system at all regardless of what changes now. They will obviously get more systems sold now than they would have with all the restrictions but its not going to be anywhere close to what it could have if they released the system the way it should have been. Im also expecting that the limitations on used games from third party companies is going to be gone on all systems. If Sony did implement it, they would be shooting themselves in the foot with Microshaft's gun and that just doesnt make any sense at all.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on June 24, 2013, 12:53:37 pm
I'd say it's still too early to call, as far as if Xbox One will catch up. But I was at a game store this weekend talking to people and a lot of the gamers there still have a bad taste in their mouths from the original announcement. A few of them even went so far as to say they will never consider buying a One at all.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: brunauss on September 18, 2013, 02:31:43 pm
Just logged in on 360 and got bugged with more security crap. Microsoft is going way too far with this and frankly it will cripple any chance of bringing in new gamers on the XboxOne. Using Kinect 2.0 as part of the security isn't a solution either.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: scott on September 23, 2013, 08:49:55 am
Ya Microsoft asked me to give them 2 emails and my phone number to make my account "more secure". I hit cancel, which still let me fully log into Xbox Live, then I went to Billing and canceled recurring payments.
Title: Re: New XBox Reveal on May 21
Post by: sin2beta on September 23, 2013, 09:48:37 pm
Ya Microsoft asked me to give them 2 emails and my phone number to make my account "more secure". I hit cancel, which still let me fully log into Xbox Live, then I went to Billing and canceled recurring payments.
;D It's such a weird security setup. Because, I tried doing it legit once. Didn't work. And for months have just been hitting cancel and signing in by hitting the home button. It's pathetically ridiculous.