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General and Gaming => Modern Video Games => Topic started by: bikingjahuty on February 23, 2014, 01:42:19 am
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I was at Best Buy today looking at TVs (my current TV's screen is slowly going out) and having my unhealthy obsession with video games, I had to wonder over to the game section of the store and browse. One thing I noticed as I wandered around the video game section at my local Best Buy was that the Wii, DS, 360 and PS3 sections have become noticeably smaller since I was last in about a month and a half ago. Perhaps for the first time since the new console generation started (Wii U, PS4, XBONE) I realized the 7th gen is quickly on its way out. I felt a sense of sadness and nostalgia upon this reality setting in. It seems like not that long ago that I was sitting in line in front of the same Best Buy back in 2005 with a friend of mine who had been camped out for 18-hours to be one of the few that got an XBOX 360 on launch day(I only camped with him for about 3-hours of that, but still crazy). Or when I picked up my Wii on launch day along with one of my most anticipated games of all time, Zelda: Twilight Princess. At the same time it does seem like forever ago, especially when considering how the feeling toward the 7th gen has gone from highly hyped to fading appeal.
While I do have many fond memories of the 7th gen, I also can't help but resent it a little, seeing how I feel it was in many ways the greatest generation of gaming ever, but also the worst, especially when viewing it from the point of view of the gaming industry as a whole. During no previous generation were there so many underhanded tactics and greedy cash grabs by gaming companies, as they seemed more interested in sucking the consumer dry than delivering a solid gaming experience. Of course there were many exceptions to this, and it was those exceptions that made this last generation great!
So instead of me rambling on, what do you remember most fondly and/or reluctantly about this now past generation of gaming? What memories do you have, and what did the 7th gen mean to you?
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I know this is out of left field, but I just got my 360, PS3 and my Wii U (plays my Wii games) all in this past December so I don't have any memories to share unfortunately. I will share a memory if I may, of the PS2, Gamecbue, Xbox era. Me and a friend of mine loved Driver 1 and 2 on the PlayStation so much. We stood up all night long calling wal mart over and over to see if they had the new Driver 3 out for the PS2. Well, Gamestop had it and we begged his mom to take us the next morning to the mall to grab it. We bought it, took it home, and it sucked so horribly lol. We were so disappointed and could not believe we stayed up over it. The worst experience ever. I want to go back and try it out but I remember then, it was awful.
I guess technically, the 7th generation while it was present, means nothing to me since I was still playing old skool games. I will say I do hate how the 7th generation has really began the start of internet first gaming consoles which is very sad to me. Some folks were upset that the Wii Mini does not have internet access which is a shame because in my personal opinion, if you want to use the internet, buy a computer or laptop. That's what they are for. A gaming console is a console, not a computer but that's just my point of view.
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Lets see....
When Xbox 360 was first released I didn't pick one up til about 3 months after launch. I had to replace or repair that console five times. It was the third system i played online, and yes I think the gaming industry is far to much into online and only add a tacked on single player. (I'm talking to you Call of Duty) This is also the Generation that started DLC, where you buy 80% of a game and have to pay for any extras. Also this Generation started releasing games before getting all the bugs out, now they can just add an update (assuming your online) I loved the achievement system and loved being able to play co-op games with friends.
When PS3 was released, I waited all night at a Toys R Us to get a pre-order, I remember being 3rd in line behind resellers. When I got my Backwards compatible PS3 80g (still works today) It was my first blueray player and I honestly only played PS3 Exclusive games on it. I mostly used my 360 for the 7th Gen. Mainly because I liked Microsoft's Online service and I hated how most games on the PS3 eat up your hard drive in order to play. (now with PS4 & XBone we're stuck with this)
I had a chance to buy a Wii on launch day, but bought the PS3 instead, I really didn't think the Wii was all that special. Then found out the Wii was sold out everywhere, where the PS3 sat on store shelves. I finally found one at a Target three months later and picked it up. At first EVERYONE wanted to play it, I used to drag that thing to parties all the time. Then no one cared about it real quick. I think the last game I was excited to play on it was Super Smash Bros. I hate Gimmicky games and the Wii was nothing but a big gimmick.
Then there's the Handhelds, I didn't get a PSP or a DS til much later. My 1st PSP was bought at a garage sale about 3 years ago. My 1st DS was given to me from a Friend who owed me money. lol
Let us remember the consoles that didn't survive the 7th Generation.
- Mattel Hyperscan
- ZapIt Game Wave
- Gizmondo (mainly released in Europe)
- Zeebo (only released in Brazil, Mexico & India)
- The Phantom (never released)
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MICROSOFT
While not as horrible as Wii's motion gaming, jelly buttons just did not work well with me. Overall, in my opinion, Xbox 360 was more tailored for shooter and racing titles. Rating: **
NINTENDO
Wii was a horrible piece of crap. Only liked several video games and motion control was horrible, for the most part. The DS was the redeeming value as the screens offered so much to gameplay, and a decent library of games. Rating: ***
SONY
Enjoyed DualShock since the original. Also collected a decent, moreover intimate, collection with the PlayStation 3 and PSP. PSP took a while getting used to with the controls, although it was a decent dive to portable gaming. Rating: ****
I admit I'm biased toward Sony and PC but at the very least I made an effort to try all of the consoles and/or their respective handhelds.
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Man, some of you really hated last gen. ;) I admit there were negatives, but IMO every gen has had those. I prefer to focus on the positives, and there were quite a few for me. Here's some off the top of my head:
* This was the gen I finally got into the Tales of... series, after trying since the PSOne. Vesperia just clicked with me, and I've absolutely loved every game since then (and am looking forward to picking up my Symphonia Chronicles CE this Tues!). Great games, and they're also finally getting a fair shake in the US with the next major title in the series being the first one that will release in the US & Japan at the same time.
* This gen could be described as the "rise of the indie". Independent devs have breathed fresh air into many stale or forgotten genres, and created many quirky games we never would have seen from major publishers. Games such as Braid, Super Stardust HD, Flower, Bastion, Limbo, Fez and the list goes on & on.
* Just when I had written off the Wii completely, along comes a little game called Xenoblade that became my favorite game of the gen. A fantastic game that showed that the JRPG can successfully borrow ideas from newer Western RPGs that work without losing their identity and uniqueness.
* I'm certainly not above a good AAA-game either, and we saw several new franchises this gen that I loved including Bioshock, Portal, Uncharted, inFamous, Assassin's Creed, the Batman: Arkham games, Resistance, Dead Space and Borderlands. Sure, there are some duds in some of those series, but there are also some of the best games I feel this gen had to offer.
* While I know this one especially will be somewhat controversial, for me trophies & achievements pushed me in many games to do things I never would have done otherwise. When done correctly, they provide a great way for a developer to help a player explore their games to the fullest.
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Being a pessimist I'll talk about all the stuff I loved to hate.
I fondly hated Mario Kart Wii. "Rubberbanding" AI, Bullet Bill returning from MKDS. The extra level of randomness from the added 4 racers on the track all shooting of blue/red shells, lightning. It was too easy to go from first place to tenth and then back up to first again.
Ohhhh boy, then there's the modern Call of Duty series basically ruining shooters for everyone else. COD is designed to make the player feel like they're always achieving something even if they're really not. Leveling up, Kill Streaks, Death Streaks, thrilling guitar rifts for stepping on a twig, etc. Then with this false sense of skill these players go play other shooters like Team Fortress 2 or Red Orchestra 2 where they flat out fail. Decided that it's the game fault and not themselves, they then b**ch about how the game isn't COD, hence no good. It's actually getting harder to market games that aren't COD-like.
EA Origin.
Nintendo's abysmal usage of online multiplayer.
The rise of Facebook games. The one thing I liked about FB games is that it gives Adobe Flash one last ray of hope. :P
The App Store. You might have spent a year developing a game or tool, but if it doesn't sell in the first few days it gets berried forever under an endless filth stream. I'm kind of afraid the same thing might happen to Steam with their intention of allowing anyone to sell anything through their store front. Now... it is really cool as a developer to have instant access to a huge install base to sell your game to but similar to App stores its also going to get very easy to get berried. Hopefully Valve will find a way to remedy that.
A lot of developers skipping out on PC ports. This might change in the newest generation since the major platforms are using x86 architectures.
The game Catherine. It's a puzzle game with a love triangle story attached. No need to freak out.
Piracy. Don't like always online and DRM? Than tell your friends to stop pirating games. It's not the "greedy" corporations; you only have the gaming community to blame.
GameStop trade-ins: what a rip-off.
And I also agree with what theflea said above about DLC. The kind of games where you buy about 80% of the game at launch and then have to pony-up an extra 10-20 dollars for the last 20% that probably should have been in the game in the first place.
Edit: And as mentioned bellow some publishers not creating physical manuals for their games anymore. :'(
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* While I know this one especially will be somewhat controversial(?), for me trophies & achievements pushed me in many games to do things I never would have done otherwise. When done correctly, they provide a great way for a developer to help a player explore their games to the fullest.
Why "controversial"?
I completely agree & feel the exact same way about the introduction of Trophies & Achievments.
I know that some gamers seem to *Literally* REALLY Hate on them...I don't understand why.
I mean - for those who enjoy & appreciate them = they're there...For those who don't like them, can't stand them, and want nothing to do with them; well...they can very easily just ignore them and turn off the "trophy notification" 'Chime' (that many give as their "Immersion-Breaking" reason/justification for hating on them.
As someone who appreciates logic & common sense - I've yet to understand how MORE options (as long as they're not forced on you, and you can just ignore them and/or turn them off) -and- As Long As They're Not At The Cost/Expense Of Anything Else...can EVER be seen or considered a "BAD" thing...by anybody :-\
I suppose that the parts of the gen that left the worst tastes in my mouth are:
- the whole 'push' to digitalize everything & try to move away from physical media (I have no problem with releasing both a physical AND a digital version of something, because...again...IMO, more consumer options ALWAYS = a "GOOD" thing.
- The over-abundance of shooting, action, and racing games along with the marked decrease in the number of RPG's & JRPG's (especially when compared/contrasted w/ the previous gen).
- The moving of (the majority) of JRPG's (Hell...J-Games in general) from consoles to handhelds, and
- Selling physical games w/o MANUALS :o
(cheap & lazy fuckers) >:(
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Time to start loading up on 360 games! I also need to bulk up my DS collection, a bit.
I completely missed the PS3 and PSP. Never had one (I plan on picking up a PSP at some point). But I do have a 360, a DS, and a Wii. I have no complaints about any of them.
360 really had a large and varied library that probably can give PS2 a run for it's money. Yeah there was a big focus on FPS and TPS from the media, but if you look, there's plenty more than that.
DS was a fan-freaking-tastic handheld that is still living on through my 3DS. Touch-screen controls are great when implemented well.
And the Wii, the black sheep of the 7th generation, was highly underrated. Yes, there was a lot of crappy shovelware on it, no doubt. But the Nintendo First-Party games were fantastic, as usual. Great light-gun shooters on it. It has a bit of hidden gems that most people don't know about (Pandora's Tower anyone?). And the Virtual Console is a godsend for those games that are just to expensive in physical form or too hard to find.
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I loved the 7th generation. It's probably my favorite after the 4th generation (Genesis/SNES). I actually consider them to be very similar. The 16-bit days were 2D gaming with worked to perfection. I feel like the 7th generation is finally 3D gaming done correctly. We've figured out how cameras work, etc.
I believe the 360 will be the Sega Genesis of my adult years.
And much like when the Saturn came out, I'm having too much fun with the system I currently have to feel like I'm missing out too much on the new generation... yet.
I've been buying XBox games and loving every bit of it. This will be a fun several years ahead of sweet gaming deals for a great generation of consoles.
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I particularly like the 7th gen. PS3 is the best system out atm. Ni no Kuni is the best game ever. I also really think the Wii wasnt given its respect that I feel it deserves. Motion controls are pretty silly but on a lot of games, it works. The DS/3DS is the best portable system of all time (I consider the DS and the 3DS the same thing).
The bad side of 7th gen. Xbox 360. Seriously, Microshaft needs to get out of the gaming world forever. That is all.
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I particularly like the 7th gen. PS3 is the best system out atm. Ni no Kuni is the best game ever. I also really think the Wii wasnt given its respect that I feel it deserves. Motion controls are pretty silly but on a lot of games, it works. The DS/3DS is the best portable system of all time (I consider the DS and the 3DS the same thing).
The bad side of 7th gen. Xbox 360. Seriously, Microshaft needs to get out of the gaming world forever. That is all.
Really?!
While I'll admit that the 3DS has the bigger & better library - after seeing/playing games on a Vita + the Vita's cross-play & functionality with both the PS3 and the PS4...and, did I mention that amazingly amazing-looking sweet, sweet OLED screen & how exquisitely beautiful everything looks on it :o
We're almost always on the same page, buddy -but- I've gotta' say that, IMO, the Vita is hands down & by far the best hand-held ever...it just doesn't have the greatest library (although, if you count all of the Vita, PS1, PS2, PS3, AND PS4 games that you can play on it...it's far from a *small* library, too:) ;D
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I really liked the DS, too. But best of all-time? Nah, I'd give that to the GBA-SP.
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I really liked the DS, too. But best of all-time? Nah, I'd give that to the GBA-SP.
"Best" in what way(s)?
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The 7th Gen console generation was a big deal for me, just not the way most would think. Especially in terms of the PS4. Unknown to most everyone in the industry, Sony was actually having trouble with keeping the size of their console down and was new to the reality of so many CPUs sharing the space with the GPU. Frankly it had not been done before. After following Mark's postings online, I decided to jump in and lend some advice and tips from my own Cerberus project. The engineers actually thought clustering all the processors together would cook the console as much if not more than the PS3. People forget half the heat produced in a computer system comes from the circuit pathways connecting the components. Cut down the distance... reduce the heat. A LOT. Clustering also makes the entire system more efficient. I even sent them PDFs on how the existing PS3 could have been designed the same way. The second part of my contribution was suggesting they implement the same cooling architecture as Apple has been using on their laptops for over a decade now.
Of course I thought it fair to recommend the same things to Microsoft. They were short and not as receptive to me. In fact, in their own kind business way, they told me to piss off and stick to what I know and leave the designing to actual qualified engineers. They also said no one would listen to the likes of me, with something so basic. Well here we are now and the new xbox is this huge hulking console, that requires ventilation all over the box to keep it cool. Meanwhile Mark and Sony actually thanked me for the input and rewarded me with PlayStation store credits.
Of course you can see the PS4 is a much more attractive and cooler running machine too.
Cheers.
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I've historically never been much of a handheld gamer, but I currently own both a 3DS & Vita and wouldn't part with either. The 3DS wouldn't have as big of an appeal if it wasn't for the DS library, but since I never played the majority of that it gives the system a big boost for me.
But as far as which is technically better there's no contest - the Vita is an amazing piece of hardware that's incredibly powerful and comfortable to use. It also has a really good and growing library of games, especially if you like more niche Japanese stuff. The PS4 remote play functionality is just icing on the cake. If I *had* to part with one, it would be the 3DS - but again, I don't plan on losing either system.
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I really liked the DS, too. But best of all-time? Nah, I'd give that to the GBA-SP.
"Best" in what way(s)?
Best library of games with the mixture of great original titles and re-release/remakes of 8-bit and 16-bit classics, IMO; plus the even more expanded library of original & Color Game Boy titles w/the backwards compatibility. And the backlit screen was great-looking. Still the best-looking way to play Game Boy games on-the-go (GB Player for GC has it beat for at home, though). Plus the clamshell design protected that great screen from scratches. The battery-life is like forever, and they're rechargeable, so that's a big plus too. It's quite portable, being pocket-sized and all, too.
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*Is Drooling in anticipation of the Vita TV launching here in the West* ???
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We're almost always on the same page, buddy -but- I've gotta' say that, IMO, the Vita is hands down & by far the best hand-held ever...it just doesn't have the greatest library (although, if you count all of the Vita, PS1, PS2, PS3, AND PS4 games that you can play on it...it's far from a *small* library, too:) ;D
Don't forget the PSP, also. May not be UMD backwards-compatible, but digitally available.
* While I know this one especially will be somewhat controversial(?), for me trophies & achievements pushed me in many games to do things I never would have done otherwise. When done correctly, they provide a great way for a developer to help a player explore their games to the fullest.
Why "controversial"?
I completely agree & feel the exact same way about the introduction of Trophies & Achievments.
I know that some gamers seem to *Literally* REALLY Hate on them...I don't understand why.
I mean - for those who enjoy & appreciate them = they're there...For those who don't like them, can't stand them, and want nothing to do with them; well...they can very easily just ignore them and turn off the "trophy notification" 'Chime' (that many give as their "Immersion-Breaking" reason/justification for hating on them.
As someone who appreciates logic & common sense - I've yet to understand how MORE options (as long as they're not forced on you, and you can just ignore them and/or turn them off) -and- As Long As They're Not At The Cost/Expense Of Anything Else...can EVER be seen or considered a "BAD" thing...by anybody :-\
I suppose that the parts of the gen that left the worst tastes in my mouth are:
- the whole 'push' to digitalize everything & try to move away from physical media (I have no problem with releasing both a physical AND a digital version of something, because...again...IMO, more consumer options ALWAYS = a "GOOD" thing.
- Selling physical games w/o MANUALS :o
(cheap & lazy fuckers) >:(
This too.
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I agree with a lot of what you said. Im not sure, however, that there is going to be anything anytime soon to push the Vita past the DS/3DS for me. The library is pretty small for a system that, as of yesterday, has been out for a full 2 years. What is there is just re-releases of games that are already on the PS3.
This is not saying that I will not ever get one. Im sure down the line I will get one and probably enjoy it. But, at the time of this posting, I think the 3DS is superior. :)
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The DS/3DS is the best portable system of all time (I consider the DS and the 3DS the same thing).
The bad side of 7th gen. Xbox 360. Seriously, Microshaft needs to get out of the gaming world forever. That is all.
Second...
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this may be controversial but this is for one of the worst generations in long time, i'm not saying there's nothing good about 7th but the bad outweighs the good, here is some of the bad
style over substance gameplay
story over gameplay
bad DLC policies
too high of a focus on multiplayer
bad customer service
over bloated egos
bad company policies
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this may be controversial but this is for one of the worst generations in long time, i'm not saying there's nothing good about 7th but the bad outweighs the good, here is some of the bad
style over substance gameplay
story over gameplay
bad DLC policies
too high of a focus on multiplayer
bad customer service
over bloated egos
bad company policies
Good:
-HD Graphics
-2-D Games have made a comeback.
-Prevalence of Indie and Small-Studio Games thanks to Online Game Networks
-Ease of access of some previously hard-to-find retro-games thanks to services like Steam, GoG, Virtual Console, and PSN.
-Good DLC (Shivering Isles on Oblivion for example)
-Downloadable Games (I prefer a physical copy, but it's nice to have the option if you can't find it or it's a digital-only release)
-Ease of Console Online Multiplayer
-Touch-Screen Controls on Handhelds (when used right, it's great)
-Netflix on Consoles
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For me this was a sad sad generation to be a gamer. To me it ushered in the beginning of the end of video games as I know and love them. Soon, very soon we will live in an all digital world and it's just not a world I care to game in. Sure its fine for Indie games, but even those I find difficult to purchase at rock bottom prices because I can't actually OWN them.
Game developers are becoming so stagnant and afraid to take any chances because of the bottom line. $$$$. You know, I haven't listened to new music (with a few exceptions) and movies literally do nothing for me since the 90s. So stale and tired. They just bore me to tears. Every time I watch a movie I can't help but think I've seen all of this before. Its just the same stuff rehashed over and over and over again.
Now I see games headed down the same path and It saddens me greatly. At the same time, I totally get why the younger generation thinks this generation was great. My son is 11 and he loves him some xbox 360 and PS3. If I hadn't lived through the prime of the NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, TG-16, Sega Saturn generation I prolly Would've loved this gen too.
Lastly, Although I was certainly no huge fan of the wii, if nintendo dies soon gaming will truly be dire. I hear all of this hate on Nintendo lately, some of it warranted some of it not. Just know this, nintendo's death would be a true tragedy for the gaming industry, one that I think eventually may bring the whole console industry down. I still love nintendo. It seems like they're the only company that knows how to make a video game any more. NOT a interactive movie, or a game that takes itself way too seriously, or a gritty war shooter, but a video game. The type of game that makes me feel like a kid again............A link between worlds was a masterpiece IMO........Sigh.
Any how thats my 2 cents, sorry it was so depressing.........
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I agree with a lot of what you said. Im not sure, however, that there is going to be anything anytime soon to push the Vita past the DS/3DS for me. The library is pretty small for a system that, as of yesterday, has been out for a full 2 years. What is there is just re-releases of games that are already on the PS3.
This is not saying that I will not ever get one. Im sure down the line I will get one and probably enjoy it. But, at the time of this posting, I think the 3DS is superior. :)
Right.
You're saying the DS is the best because of its software - I'm saying that, games aside, strictly judging the best hand-held subjectively (power, specs, and capabilities) that the Vita's the top dog ;)
Let's just leave it at we're both right ;D
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I agree with a lot of what you said. Im not sure, however, that there is going to be anything anytime soon to push the Vita past the DS/3DS for me. The library is pretty small for a system that, as of yesterday, has been out for a full 2 years. What is there is just re-releases of games that are already on the PS3.
This is not saying that I will not ever get one. Im sure down the line I will get one and probably enjoy it. But, at the time of this posting, I think the 3DS is superior. :)
Right.
You're saying the DS is the best because of its software - I'm saying that, games aside, strictly judging the best hand-held subjectively (power, specs, and capabilities) that the Vita's the top dog ;)
Let's just leave it at we're both right ;D
I'm sorry Disgaeniac, what's the Vita??????? ;) lol
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I agree with a lot of what you said. Im not sure, however, that there is going to be anything anytime soon to push the Vita past the DS/3DS for me. The library is pretty small for a system that, as of yesterday, has been out for a full 2 years. What is there is just re-releases of games that are already on the PS3.
This is not saying that I will not ever get one. Im sure down the line I will get one and probably enjoy it. But, at the time of this posting, I think the 3DS is superior. :)
Right.
You're saying the DS is the best because of its software - I'm saying that, games aside, strictly judging the best hand-held subjectively (power, specs, and capabilities) that the Vita's the top dog ;)
Let's just leave it at we're both right ;D
I'm sorry Disgaeniac, what's the Vita??????? ;) lol
Por que no sabes sobre mi Vita Loca ;)
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Por que no sabes sobre mi Vita Loca ;)
I've been livin' la vita loca for years. I'm gonna say it's overrated.
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Por que no sabes sobre mi Vita Loca ;)
I've been livin' la vita loca for years. I'm gonna say it's overrated.
Yeah, sometimes it's overrated and sometimes it's just plain, old fun 8)
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For me this was a sad sad generation to be a gamer. To me it ushered in the beginning of the end of video games as I know and love them. Soon, very soon we will live in an all digital world and it's just not a world I care to game in. Sure its fine for Indie games, but even those I find difficult to purchase at rock bottom prices because I can't actually OWN them.
Game developers are becoming so stagnant and afraid to take any chances because of the bottom line. $$$$. You know, I haven't listened to new music (with a few exceptions) and movies literally do nothing for me since the 90s. So stale and tired. They just bore me to tears. Every time I watch a movie I can't help but think I've seen all of this before. Its just the same stuff rehashed over and over and over again.
Now I see games headed down the same path and It saddens me greatly. At the same time, I totally get why the younger generation thinks this generation was great. My son is 11 and he loves him some xbox 360 and PS3. If I hadn't lived through the prime of the NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, TG-16, Sega Saturn generation I prolly Would've loved this gen too.
Lastly, Although I was certainly no huge fan of the wii, if nintendo dies soon gaming will truly be dire. I hear all of this hate on Nintendo lately, some of it warranted some of it not. Just know this, nintendo's death would be a true tragedy for the gaming industry, one that I think eventually may bring the whole console industry down. I still love nintendo. It seems like they're the only company that knows how to make a video game any more. NOT a interactive movie, or a game that takes itself way too seriously, or a gritty war shooter, but a video game. The type of game that makes me feel like a kid again............A link between worlds was a masterpiece IMO........Sigh.
Any how thats my 2 cents, sorry it was so depressing.........
This is super depressing. Just seems like a really sad outlook to have.
For the record, I'm going on 39 so this isn't an age thing, my first "console" was a Pong machine.
Saying everything is a gritty shooter or overly serious is turning a blind eye towards a TON of great games that have come out this gen. Then again...if you haven't enjoyed a single movie since the 90's, I doubt there's anything I can say that will change your mind on the state of gaming.
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For me this was a sad sad generation to be a gamer. To me it ushered in the beginning of the end of video games as I know and love them. Soon, very soon we will live in an all digital world and it's just not a world I care to game in. Sure its fine for Indie games, but even those I find difficult to purchase at rock bottom prices because I can't actually OWN them.
Game developers are becoming so stagnant and afraid to take any chances because of the bottom line. $$$$. You know, I haven't listened to new music (with a few exceptions) and movies literally do nothing for me since the 90s. So stale and tired. They just bore me to tears. Every time I watch a movie I can't help but think I've seen all of this before. Its just the same stuff rehashed over and over and over again.
Now I see games headed down the same path and It saddens me greatly. At the same time, I totally get why the younger generation thinks this generation was great. My son is 11 and he loves him some xbox 360 and PS3. If I hadn't lived through the prime of the NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, TG-16, Sega Saturn generation I prolly Would've loved this gen too.
Lastly, Although I was certainly no huge fan of the wii, if nintendo dies soon gaming will truly be dire. I hear all of this hate on Nintendo lately, some of it warranted some of it not. Just know this, nintendo's death would be a true tragedy for the gaming industry, one that I think eventually may bring the whole console industry down. I still love nintendo. It seems like they're the only company that knows how to make a video game any more. NOT a interactive movie, or a game that takes itself way too seriously, or a gritty war shooter, but a video game. The type of game that makes me feel like a kid again............A link between worlds was a masterpiece IMO........Sigh.
Any how thats my 2 cents, sorry it was so depressing.........
This is super depressing. Just seems like a really sad outlook to have.
For the record, I'm going on 39 so this isn't an age thing, my first "console" was a Pong machine.
Saying everything is a gritty shooter or overly serious is turning a blind eye towards a TON of great games that have come out this gen. Then again...if you haven't enjoyed a single movie since the 90's, I doubt there's anything I can say that will change your mind on the state of gaming.
You pretty much said what I was thinking.
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Sad how you lived up to your username in this thread, grimhope.
Technically, the 7th generation isn't over yet considering that I heard that the PS3, maybe in extension the Xbox 360, will still be supported. Arguably, some of the games may be watered-down versions in comparison to the new 8th generation version but there are also some games still exclusive to them. Since this year is still not the end for current systems, honoring the 7th generation as if developer/publisher support has gone away is still a wee bit pre-mature.
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This last generation was all over the place for me.
-I hated the Nintendo Wii. I still think the Wiimote is an awful controller. Functionally fine (once it got the motion plus), but I hated the gimmick. I bought it at launch after waiting in the cold car for a few hours, got Twilight Princess, and while I enjoyed it, to me it just wasn't very good control wise. It didn't get much better as I felt it didn't have alot of great games for awhile and eventually I sold it off to a friend with the 3 or 4 games I had on it. There are good games on the system, some I'm gonna be picking up now and playing properly, or that I missed, but it was a downer of a system. I still need to give some games a fair shake, like Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 I lightly played, but was rather underwhelmed by. I did love Skyward Sword, aside from minor issues, and while it played well, the whole time I just did not want to play with the wiimote controls. The whole time, it just felt like I would enjoy this more with a regular controller.
-The 360 was my next buy, but that didn't happen till Dead Rising came out. That was the system seller for me. I actually quite supported the 360 for awhile, was definitely pro-microsoft, but the past 3 or 4 years, it waned hard. There were still games I liked, but I disliked the XBL more and once I focused entirely on PC shooters over console ones, I had little reason to ever play the system online. I still have my 360 and the biggest reason I kept it, was that I'm collecting now, and it still has all of my Guitar Hero and Rock Band stuff on it. Lots and lots of music lol I only had one issue with the system, which was when my first one died a few years later with the disk drive, so I bought an arcade and I've had that for the past 4 years now I believe.
-The PS3 I didn't get into until the past 2 or 3 years. I had played the PS3 at my friends place, but I wasn't very impressed with its selection of games. Uncharted was a good series for the most part, MGS4 was good, a couple others here and there, The Last of Us funny enough, my last game I played on it, though I still have more to play, but I still don't play it a ton, it mostly just became a blu-ray player with minimal play. Exclusive wise, I didn't feel it was strong and kinda neither was the 360.
-The last console generation I think I got overwhelmed by the PC for me. Some of my straight up favorite games released during that time. Team Fortress 2, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, the STALKER series, the Metro series, these are forever favorites of mine. While I faded from 360, I grew in the PC. I have a huge selection of games on Steam and my most played games are there.
Overall, some great games came out in the last cycle, but the console cycle wasn't quite as good as I feel the last few were. With how much I ragged on Nintendo and their great selling console from last gen, I'm far more excited by the Wii U, which is sucking hard lol It still needs a proper 3D Mario game, a real good and adventurous one that isn't just rehashing what has been over-rehashed before, and of course it's proper new Zelda, which is taking forever to come out.
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Overall, some great games came out in the last cycle, but the console cycle wasn't quite as good as I feel the last few were. With how much I ragged on Nintendo and their great selling console from last gen, I'm far more excited by the Wii U, which is sucking hard lol It still needs a proper 3D Mario game, a real good and adventurous one that isn't just rehashing what has been over-rehashed before, and of course it's proper new Zelda, which is taking forever to come out.
Have you played Super Mario 3D World? It's fantastic.
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I would argue that the PS3's exclusives have been incredibly strong, but then again it all depends on what you're looking for. If you're just interested in shooters then no, probably not. Around 1/3 of my PS3 library is exclusives, and that's not counting HD collections or marginally improved ports like Star Ocean.
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I would argue that the PS3's exclusives have been incredibly strong, but then again it all depends on what you're looking for. If you're just interested in shooters then no, probably not. Around 1/3 of my PS3 library is exclusives, and that's not counting HD collections or marginally improved ports like Star Ocean.
Agree 100%
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I would argue that the PS3's exclusives have been incredibly strong, but then again it all depends on what you're looking for. If you're just interested in shooters then no, probably not. Around 1/3 of my PS3 library is exclusives, and that's not counting HD collections or marginally improved ports like Star Ocean.
Agree 100%
Most (all that I bought new) of my PS3 collection is exclusives. I like the 360 better, so all of my multiplatform stuff is for that. As far as exclusives, PS3 won that hands down. I was really kicking around getting a PS3 just for God of War. Then I found a PS3 at yard sale and had to get some games! ;D
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Have you played Super Mario 3D World? It's fantastic.
It's fun and I'm greatly enjoying it, but it's just too much the same stuff they were doing with the new super mario bros, it's nothing in the same vein as Super Mario 64, Sunshine or Galaxy. It's essentially just a 2D game that happens to be 3D, rather than being a 3D game that really benefits from it. I want to see Mario have a big adventure like he use to and really utilizing the hardware with some epic worlds, new and interesting bosses, and a proper hub world since they abandoned that with Super Mario Galaxy. I just want to see Super Mario 64, but doubled or tripled in size lol
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Have you played Super Mario 3D World? It's fantastic.
It's fun and I'm greatly enjoying it, but it's just too much the same stuff they were doing with the new super mario bros, it's nothing in the same vein as Super Mario 64, Sunshine or Galaxy. It's essentially just a 2D game that happens to be 3D, rather than being a 3D game that really benefits from it. I want to see Mario have a big adventure like he use to and really utilizing the hardware with some epic worlds, new and interesting bosses, and a proper hub world since they abandoned that with Super Mario Galaxy. I just want to see Super Mario 64, but doubled or tripled in size lol
I'm of the complete opposite opinion. I think Super Mario 3D Land and World are exactly what Super Mario Bros. in 3D should have always been. It feels like you're exploring the mushroom kingdom from the days of the Super Mario Bros. series, in 3D. I love it!
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Have you played Super Mario 3D World? It's fantastic.
It's fun and I'm greatly enjoying it, but it's just too much the same stuff they were doing with the new super mario bros, it's nothing in the same vein as Super Mario 64, Sunshine or Galaxy. It's essentially just a 2D game that happens to be 3D, rather than being a 3D game that really benefits from it. I want to see Mario have a big adventure like he use to and really utilizing the hardware with some epic worlds, new and interesting bosses, and a proper hub world since they abandoned that with Super Mario Galaxy. I just want to see Super Mario 64, but doubled or tripled in size lol
I'm of the complete opposite opinion. I think Super Mario 3D Land and World are exactly what Super Mario Bros. in 3D should have always been. It feels like you're exploring the mushroom kingdom from the days of the Super Mario Bros. series, in 3D. I love it!
Nothing wrong with that, but to me it's just more of what we've always had with Super Mario and there's a bajillion of them, with all of them basically rehashing Super Mario 3, where as we've only had like 2 3D free roaming Mario games and Sunshine was just only okay to me. Even with the name "World" on the new one, it seems less like Super Mario World and still more like Super Mario 3. I will always enjoy 2D Mario, but my favorite platforming stuff is the N64 era games with Mario, Banjo-Kazooie, and Donkey Kong, along with some others from other gens like Jak & Daxter on the PS2. We don't get much of that anymore and there's even less of it with how many 2D platformers are being made now. It's why I'm super excited for the Kickstarted "A Hat in Time" which is bringing back that classic N64 platformer feel.
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I would argue that the PS3's exclusives have been incredibly strong, but then again it all depends on what you're looking for. If you're just interested in shooters then no, probably not. Around 1/3 of my PS3 library is exclusives, and that's not counting HD collections or marginally improved ports like Star Ocean.
This last generation was all over the place for me.
-I hated the Nintendo Wii. I still think the Wiimote is an awful controller. Functionally fine (once it got the motion plus), but I hated the gimmick. I bought it at launch after waiting in the cold car for a few hours, got Twilight Princess, and while I enjoyed it, to me it just wasn't very good control wise. It didn't get much better as I felt it didn't have alot of great games for awhile and eventually I sold it off to a friend with the 3 or 4 games I had on it. There are good games on the system, some I'm gonna be picking up now and playing properly, or that I missed, but it was a downer of a system. I still need to give some games a fair shake, like Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 I lightly played, but was rather underwhelmed by. I did love Skyward Sword, aside from minor issues, and while it played well, the whole time I just did not want to play with the wiimote controls. The whole time, it just felt like I would enjoy this more with a regular controller.
-The last console generation I think I got overwhelmed by the PC for me. Some of my straight up favorite games released during that time. Team Fortress 2, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, the STALKER series, the Metro series, these are forever favorites of mine. While I faded from 360, I grew in the PC. I have a huge selection of games on Steam and my most played games are there.
These are sentiments I am able to agree and relate with on the 7th generation.
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Most (all that I bought new) of my PS3 collection is exclusives. I like the 360 better, so all of my multiplatform stuff is for that. As far as exclusives, PS3 won that hands down. I was really kicking around getting a PS3 just for God of War. Then I found a PS3 at yard sale and had to get some games! ;D
Yeah I'd probably agree with this generally. I liked the 360 more for multiplatform stuff, I had it first, and therefore had less of a reason to get a PS3, but the PS3 might've had better exclusives.
PS3 Exclusives I liked...3D Dot Game Heroes, God of War 3, Infamous (And sorta 2, though I never beat it), mostly the concept of MAG, MGS4, The Last of Us, and the Uncharted series (Haven't finished 3).
360 Exclusives I liked...Chromehounds, Crackdown, Gears of War 1, Halo 3, Dead Rising, Saints Row 1, and that was pretty much it.
Looking at those two, the stronger ones would be PS3 definitely.
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I jumped into the 7th gen scene about mid-way through, and yeah, it is kind of bittersweet to see it going. It was an especially long-winded generation, with lots of memorable new franchises and games. It was the first gen that I really followed closely through the years, I know the libraries inside and out.
What's funny is how hard the retail market wants to kick these consoles to the curb, when 8th gen is sooo slow coming in to it's own. Usually previous generations hang on in the retail market for a few years after the next gen starts. Microsoft and Sony have even vowed to keep 360 and PS3 relevant for a few more years, yet retail really wants rid of it.
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Have you played Super Mario 3D World? It's fantastic.
It's fun and I'm greatly enjoying it, but it's just too much the same stuff they were doing with the new super mario bros, it's nothing in the same vein as Super Mario 64, Sunshine or Galaxy. It's essentially just a 2D game that happens to be 3D, rather than being a 3D game that really benefits from it. I want to see Mario have a big adventure like he use to and really utilizing the hardware with some epic worlds, new and interesting bosses, and a proper hub world since they abandoned that with Super Mario Galaxy. I just want to see Super Mario 64, but doubled or tripled in size lol
I'm of the complete opposite opinion. I think Super Mario 3D Land and World are exactly what Super Mario Bros. in 3D should have always been. It feels like you're exploring the mushroom kingdom from the days of the Super Mario Bros. series, in 3D. I love it!
It's not bad, but it's a diversion away from the natural progression of Mario games as we knew them. I absolutely loved 64, Sunshine, and the Galaxy games, and thought they were some of the best 3D platform adventure games ever. Super Mario 3D Land / Word is not that kind of game. In an era where nonlinear 3D platforming is nearly dead, I'm hoping the Mario franchise hasn't also abandon it. I'm really not sure what point "New" Super Mario Bros serves now, it's become redundant.
Aside from this, the 3D Land / World games are incredibly short and small, and easy. You can beat the whole game in an hour, okay maybe two. Nintendo doesn't care anymore, they're like anybody else, they are just waiting to release DLC that they should have included in the game. These games are okay, but in my opinion the Mario franchise has been wrecked and I'm thoroughly disappointed.
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Have you played Super Mario 3D World? It's fantastic.
It's fun and I'm greatly enjoying it, but it's just too much the same stuff they were doing with the new super mario bros, it's nothing in the same vein as Super Mario 64, Sunshine or Galaxy. It's essentially just a 2D game that happens to be 3D, rather than being a 3D game that really benefits from it. I want to see Mario have a big adventure like he use to and really utilizing the hardware with some epic worlds, new and interesting bosses, and a proper hub world since they abandoned that with Super Mario Galaxy. I just want to see Super Mario 64, but doubled or tripled in size lol
I'm of the complete opposite opinion. I think Super Mario 3D Land and World are exactly what Super Mario Bros. in 3D should have always been. It feels like you're exploring the mushroom kingdom from the days of the Super Mario Bros. series, in 3D. I love it!
It's not bad, but it's a diversion away from the natural progression of Mario games as we knew them. I absolutely loved 64, Sunshine, and the Galaxy games, and thought they were some of the best 3D platform adventure games ever. Super Mario 3D Land / Word is not that kind of game. In an era where nonlinear 3D platforming is nearly dead, I'm hoping the Mario franchise hasn't also abandon it. I'm really not sure what point "New" Super Mario Bros serves now, it's become redundant.
Aside from this, the 3D Land / World games are incredibly short and small, and easy. You can beat the whole game in an hour, okay maybe two. Nintendo doesn't care anymore, they're like anybody else, they are just waiting to release DLC that they should have included in the game. These games are okay, but in my opinion the Mario franchise has been wrecked and I'm thoroughly disappointed.
So short = bad? There's a whole lot of short games out there I adore.
Greatest game ever made is Super Metroid (that's science!), and it's around 2 hours long.
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Have you played Super Mario 3D World? It's fantastic.
It's fun and I'm greatly enjoying it, but it's just too much the same stuff they were doing with the new super mario bros, it's nothing in the same vein as Super Mario 64, Sunshine or Galaxy. It's essentially just a 2D game that happens to be 3D, rather than being a 3D game that really benefits from it. I want to see Mario have a big adventure like he use to and really utilizing the hardware with some epic worlds, new and interesting bosses, and a proper hub world since they abandoned that with Super Mario Galaxy. I just want to see Super Mario 64, but doubled or tripled in size lol
I'm of the complete opposite opinion. I think Super Mario 3D Land and World are exactly what Super Mario Bros. in 3D should have always been. It feels like you're exploring the mushroom kingdom from the days of the Super Mario Bros. series, in 3D. I love it!
It's not bad, but it's a diversion away from the natural progression of Mario games as we knew them. I absolutely loved 64, Sunshine, and the Galaxy games, and thought they were some of the best 3D platform adventure games ever. Super Mario 3D Land / Word is not that kind of game. In an era where nonlinear 3D platforming is nearly dead, I'm hoping the Mario franchise hasn't also abandon it. I'm really not sure what point "New" Super Mario Bros serves now, it's become redundant.
Aside from this, the 3D Land / World games are incredibly short and small, and easy. You can beat the whole game in an hour, okay maybe two. Nintendo doesn't care anymore, they're like anybody else, they are just waiting to release DLC that they should have included in the game. These games are okay, but in my opinion the Mario franchise has been wrecked and I'm thoroughly disappointed.
So short = bad? There's a whole lot of short games out there I adore.
Greatest game ever made is Super Metroid (that's science!), and it's around 2 hours long.
Sure, because it's over and I want to play more. They didn't put enough content in the game yet we paid $60 for it, there's no excuse for it nowadays other than a DLC scam. If that isn't enough to gripe about, it's basically the same thing as NSMBU from the year before, but with depth. The environments are small, unimpressive to look at, and lack the element of exploration. It's fairly obvious they were oriented towards family / casual multi-player and that's why so little went into them.
I wouldn't call them bad, but I could take or leave them, much like the NSMB franchise.
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I would argue that the PS3's exclusives have been incredibly strong, but then again it all depends on what you're looking for. If you're just interested in shooters then no, probably not. Around 1/3 of my PS3 library is exclusives, and that's not counting HD collections or marginally improved ports like Star Ocean.
Agree 100%
I like the 360 better, so all of my multiplatform stuff is for that.
This made me update my wish list on multiplaform games...
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Have you played Super Mario 3D World? It's fantastic.
It's fun and I'm greatly enjoying it, but it's just too much the same stuff they were doing with the new super mario bros, it's nothing in the same vein as Super Mario 64, Sunshine or Galaxy. It's essentially just a 2D game that happens to be 3D, rather than being a 3D game that really benefits from it. I want to see Mario have a big adventure like he use to and really utilizing the hardware with some epic worlds, new and interesting bosses, and a proper hub world since they abandoned that with Super Mario Galaxy. I just want to see Super Mario 64, but doubled or tripled in size lol
I'm of the complete opposite opinion. I think Super Mario 3D Land and World are exactly what Super Mario Bros. in 3D should have always been. It feels like you're exploring the mushroom kingdom from the days of the Super Mario Bros. series, in 3D. I love it!
It's not bad, but it's a diversion away from the natural progression of Mario games as we knew them. I absolutely loved 64, Sunshine, and the Galaxy games, and thought they were some of the best 3D platform adventure games ever. Super Mario 3D Land / Word is not that kind of game. In an era where nonlinear 3D platforming is nearly dead, I'm hoping the Mario franchise hasn't also abandon it. I'm really not sure what point "New" Super Mario Bros serves now, it's become redundant.
Aside from this, the 3D Land / World games are incredibly short and small, and easy. You can beat the whole game in an hour, okay maybe two. Nintendo doesn't care anymore, they're like anybody else, they are just waiting to release DLC that they should have included in the game. These games are okay, but in my opinion the Mario franchise has been wrecked and I'm thoroughly disappointed.
So short = bad? There's a whole lot of short games out there I adore.
Greatest game ever made is Super Metroid (that's science!), and it's around 2 hours long.
If you are beating Super Metroid in 2 hours, you are not giving the entire map a full run. You should be able to put in a lot more than 2 hours on it. But it is definitely one of the greatest games ever made, no doubt about it.
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Have you played Super Mario 3D World? It's fantastic.
It's fun and I'm greatly enjoying it, but it's just too much the same stuff they were doing with the new super mario bros, it's nothing in the same vein as Super Mario 64, Sunshine or Galaxy. It's essentially just a 2D game that happens to be 3D, rather than being a 3D game that really benefits from it. I want to see Mario have a big adventure like he use to and really utilizing the hardware with some epic worlds, new and interesting bosses, and a proper hub world since they abandoned that with Super Mario Galaxy. I just want to see Super Mario 64, but doubled or tripled in size lol
I'm of the complete opposite opinion. I think Super Mario 3D Land and World are exactly what Super Mario Bros. in 3D should have always been. It feels like you're exploring the mushroom kingdom from the days of the Super Mario Bros. series, in 3D. I love it!
It's not bad, but it's a diversion away from the natural progression of Mario games as we knew them. I absolutely loved 64, Sunshine, and the Galaxy games, and thought they were some of the best 3D platform adventure games ever. Super Mario 3D Land / Word is not that kind of game. In an era where nonlinear 3D platforming is nearly dead, I'm hoping the Mario franchise hasn't also abandon it. I'm really not sure what point "New" Super Mario Bros serves now, it's become redundant.
Aside from this, the 3D Land / World games are incredibly short and small, and easy. You can beat the whole game in an hour, okay maybe two. Nintendo doesn't care anymore, they're like anybody else, they are just waiting to release DLC that they should have included in the game. These games are okay, but in my opinion the Mario franchise has been wrecked and I'm thoroughly disappointed.
So short = bad? There's a whole lot of short games out there I adore.
Greatest game ever made is Super Metroid (that's science!), and it's around 2 hours long.
If you are beating Super Metroid in 2 hours, you are not giving the entire map a full run. You should be able to put in a lot more than 2 hours on it. But it is definitely one of the greatest games ever made, no doubt about it.
Not the first time, for sure. But once you know where things are at and how to approach bosses, it gets a lot faster.
Even the first time around, though. It wasn't like some long RPG, or open-world GTA length game.
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Some games are really good and should be short. Their just different. Short narrative games are usually not the best. Some notable exceptions such as Gone Home come to mind. But some games are really good due to their shortness. I'm not a big iOS game player, but JetPack Joyride is delightful and lasts a matter of minutes. Bigger console releases are Lollipop Chainsaw, which is one of my favorites this generation.
One of my all time favorite games is Comix Zone, it is approximately 45 minutes long. There is no backtracking, you can not extend the playtime much without just standing around. It's fantastic!
I think the crux of the argument relies on the fact that gaming, in general has changed. The release of the XBox and PS2 marked an intense movement to narrative based gameplay. This narrative existed before, but was rare outside of RPGs. But, just compare the cinematic nature between FPS games. Halo is a cinematic game. For comparison, look at the king of Console FPS before, GoldenEye. Hell, even compared to Marathon Halo is a movie. Marathon kept all of the story in text found on consoles.
This move to a cinematic narrative has created an impression that length equals quality.
Although I think this is just half of it. The Playstation craze created a RPG craze. I remember a time when playtime was advertised along side the game. Sad times.
But some games are meant to be replayed. If Mario 3D World is a 2-hour 1-play-through experience, then it is a bad deal for $60 to me. For some people, that's what the game is. But for some people, Mario 3D World is a 60+ hour game. Comix Zone for me, is a 100+ hour game... even though it takes 45 minutes to beat. Hell StarCraft's playtime for me may be measured in the months. But this time certainly does not include the single player campaign.
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That's like Team Fortress 2 for me. It's only usually played in 30 min bursts, or maybe longer. But I've got over 100 hours into it, other have possibly thousand + hours into it. I can beat Castlevania in about 45 mins or better usually, but it's like Sin2Beta said about Comix Zone, it's easily a 100 hour game for me, due to replayability.