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Title: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 06:30:23 pm
The Wii U is a failure?
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: burningdoom on April 21, 2014, 06:51:31 pm
By Nintendo's normal standards, yes. Compared to other consoles on a whole, no. It's doing okay, but not great, from what I can tell. It's selling, but not like hotcakes like Nintendo is used to.
It seems to be enough to have Nintendo worried, though. They're looking to branch-out to smart-phone games, from what I've read.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 07:00:06 pm
By Nintendo's normal standards, yes. Compared to other consoles on a whole, no. It's doing okay, but not great, from what I can tell. It's selling, but not like hotcakes like Nintendo is used to.
It seems to be enough to have Nintendo worried, though. They're looking to branch-out to smart-phone games, from what I've read.
Smart phone games? Ohh god trainwreck, trainwreck.. They should be trying to get more games like bayonetta 2. I heard in the UK it's sales is less than 1% of what the ps4 sold.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: turf on April 21, 2014, 07:08:57 pm
By Nintendo's normal standards, yes. Compared to other consoles on a whole, no. It's doing okay, but not great, from what I can tell. It's selling, but not like hotcakes like Nintendo is used to.
It seems to be enough to have Nintendo worried, though. They're looking to branch-out to smart-phone games, from what I've read.
Smart phone games? Ohh god trainwreck, trainwreck.. They should be trying to get more games like bayonetta 2. I heard in the UK it's sales is less than 1% of what the ps4 sold.
Financial failure? Probably. Unless something drastic happens, it's a flop.
Failure as a system? Absolutely not. It's a real fun system. The gamepad is a cool feature that could be put to good use. I love mine. It gets way more playtime than my 360 or PS3.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: haloofthesun on April 21, 2014, 07:16:28 pm
By Nintendo's normal standards, yes. Compared to other consoles on a whole, no. It's doing okay, but not great, from what I can tell. It's selling, but not like hotcakes like Nintendo is used to.
It seems to be enough to have Nintendo worried, though. They're looking to branch-out to smart-phone games, from what I've read.
Smart phone games? Ohh god trainwreck, trainwreck.. They should be trying to get more games like bayonetta 2. I heard in the UK it's sales is less than 1% of what the ps4 sold.
Financial failure? Probably. Unless something drastic happens, it's a flop.
Failure as a system? Absolutely not. It's a real fun system. The gamepad is a cool feature that could be put to good use. I love mine. It gets way more playtime than my 360 or PS3.
Looked at the game lineup for this year. All i've seen as far as I know Super smash bros, and mario kart. Doesn't look like that's going to cut it. They're not even throwing punches back. Saturn put more games out than that.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: redblaze57 on April 21, 2014, 07:42:40 pm
I was going to write how I believe the Wii U is not a failure but ... FUCK IT
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: turf on April 21, 2014, 07:55:02 pm
By Nintendo's normal standards, yes. Compared to other consoles on a whole, no. It's doing okay, but not great, from what I can tell. It's selling, but not like hotcakes like Nintendo is used to.
It seems to be enough to have Nintendo worried, though. They're looking to branch-out to smart-phone games, from what I've read.
Smart phone games? Ohh god trainwreck, trainwreck.. They should be trying to get more games like bayonetta 2. I heard in the UK it's sales is less than 1% of what the ps4 sold.
Financial failure? Probably. Unless something drastic happens, it's a flop.
Failure as a system? Absolutely not. It's a real fun system. The gamepad is a cool feature that could be put to good use. I love mine. It gets way more playtime than my 360 or PS3.
Looked at the game lineup for this year. All i've seen as far as I know Super smash bros, and mario kart. Doesn't look like that's going to cut it. They're not even throwing punches back. Saturn put more games out than that.
It's no doubt that they're lacking games. I really think Nintendo dropped the ball. They have a solid system, but nothing to play on it. They do have a few games coming up that I'm interested in.
I still haven't picked up Donkey Kong: Tropic Freeze, but I will. I'll buy Smash Bros, and I can't wait for Mario Kart.
Child of Light: I'm not an RPG guy, but they claim this was inspired by FF6 and Chrono Trigger. I might be in.
Hyrule Warriors: Dynasty Warriors in the Zelda Universe? Sign me up
X (Monolith Soft game) : I'm out on this one, but folks are excited about it.
They do need more games, and nothing is a system seller; but I still like the console. Maybe these will keep me busy.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 07:58:40 pm
I was going to write how I believe the Wii U is not a failure but ... FUCK IT
The dreamcast story probably ended something like that I imagine, the house is on fire but lets sit here hopefully it'll burn out lol. Out of the 3 consoles I would probably want to go with the Wii U if they didn't keep releasing the same tired franchises, and for children at that.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: redblaze57 on April 21, 2014, 07:59:51 pm
By Nintendo's normal standards, yes. Compared to other consoles on a whole, no. It's doing okay, but not great, from what I can tell. It's selling, but not like hotcakes like Nintendo is used to.
It seems to be enough to have Nintendo worried, though. They're looking to branch-out to smart-phone games, from what I've read.
Smart phone games? Ohh god trainwreck, trainwreck.. They should be trying to get more games like bayonetta 2. I heard in the UK it's sales is less than 1% of what the ps4 sold.
Financial failure? Probably. Unless something drastic happens, it's a flop.
Failure as a system? Absolutely not. It's a real fun system. The gamepad is a cool feature that could be put to good use. I love mine. It gets way more playtime than my 360 or PS3.
Looked at the game lineup for this year. All i've seen as far as I know Super smash bros, and mario kart. Doesn't look like that's going to cut it. They're not even throwing punches back. Saturn put more games out than that.
It's no doubt that they're lacking games. I really think Nintendo dropped the ball. They have a solid system, but nothing to play on it. They do have a few games coming up that I'm interested in.
I still haven't picked up Donkey Kong: Tropic Freeze, but I will. I'll buy Smash Bros, and I can't wait for Mario Kart.
Child of Light: I'm not an RPG guy, but they claim this was inspired by FF6 and Chrono Trigger. I might be in.
Hyrule Warriors: Dynasty Warriors in the Zelda Universe? Sign me up
X (Monolith Soft game) : I'm out on this one, but folks are excited about it.
They do need more games, and nothing is a system seller; but I still like the console. Maybe these will keep me busy.
also Bayonetta 2
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 08:02:26 pm
By Nintendo's normal standards, yes. Compared to other consoles on a whole, no. It's doing okay, but not great, from what I can tell. It's selling, but not like hotcakes like Nintendo is used to.
It seems to be enough to have Nintendo worried, though. They're looking to branch-out to smart-phone games, from what I've read.
Smart phone games? Ohh god trainwreck, trainwreck.. They should be trying to get more games like bayonetta 2. I heard in the UK it's sales is less than 1% of what the ps4 sold.
Financial failure? Probably. Unless something drastic happens, it's a flop.
Failure as a system? Absolutely not. It's a real fun system. The gamepad is a cool feature that could be put to good use. I love mine. It gets way more playtime than my 360 or PS3.
Looked at the game lineup for this year. All i've seen as far as I know Super smash bros, and mario kart. Doesn't look like that's going to cut it. They're not even throwing punches back. Saturn put more games out than that.
It's no doubt that they're lacking games. I really think Nintendo dropped the ball. They have a solid system, but nothing to play on it. They do have a few games coming up that I'm interested in.
I still haven't picked up Donkey Kong: Tropic Freeze, but I will. I'll buy Smash Bros, and I can't wait for Mario Kart.
Child of Light: I'm not an RPG guy, but they claim this was inspired by FF6 and Chrono Trigger. I might be in.
Hyrule Warriors: Dynasty Warriors in the Zelda Universe? Sign me up
X (Monolith Soft game) : I'm out on this one, but folks are excited about it.
They do need more games, and nothing is a system seller; but I still like the console. Maybe these will keep me busy.
Child of light is out on every other system, and it's a download game only.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: redblaze57 on April 21, 2014, 08:04:23 pm
I have a Feeling this Thread was started just so someone could be a troll
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: burningdoom on April 21, 2014, 08:09:06 pm
I still want a Wii U based on the Mario games alone: Super Mario 3D World, New Super Mario Bros. U, and New Super Luigi U. Zombie U and NES Remix look cool. Looking forward to Hyrule Warriors and the upcoming Zelda game, too.
It's still a bit expensive, though. I know a price-drop has got to be coming soon, so I'm holding out.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 08:09:24 pm
I still want a Wii U based on the Mario games alone: Super Mario 3D World, New Super Mario Bros. U, and New Super Luigi U. Zombie U and NES Remix look cool. Looking forward to Hyrule Warriors and the upcoming Zelda game, too.
It's still a bit expensive, though. I know a price-drop has got to be coming soon, so I'm holding out.
Waiting for X, bayonetta 2, and that fire emblem game.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: redblaze57 on April 21, 2014, 08:11:53 pm
The dreamcast story probably ended something like that I imagine, the house is on fire but lets sit here hopefully it'll burn out lol. Out of the 3 consoles I would probably want to go with the Wii U if they didn't keep releasing the same tired franchises, and for children at that.
What kind of games would you like to see on the WiiU?
Nintendo makes Nintendo games. They are bought by Nintendo fans (read: people that like this type of game). Nintendo doesn't make Call of Duty, Gears of War, or Uncharted. It's a different product.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: burningdoom on April 21, 2014, 08:12:38 pm
I still want a Wii U based on the Mario games alone: Super Mario 3D World, New Super Mario Bros. U, and New Super Luigi U. Zombie U and NES Remix look cool. Looking forward to Hyrule Warriors and the upcoming Zelda game, too.
It's still a bit expensive, though. I know a price-drop has got to be coming soon, so I'm holding out.
Nintendo Refurbished units are $200 right now https://store.nintendo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=212209&catalogId=10001&storeId=10001
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 08:23:00 pm
The dreamcast story probably ended something like that I imagine, the house is on fire but lets sit here hopefully it'll burn out lol. Out of the 3 consoles I would probably want to go with the Wii U if they didn't keep releasing the same tired franchises, and for children at that.
What kind of games would you like to see on the WiiU?
Nintendo makes Nintendo games. They are bought by Nintendo fans (read: people that like this type of game). Nintendo doesn't make Call of Duty, Gears of War, or Uncharted. It's a different product.
Strange they begged for call of duty practically on the system. I'm sorry but i'm going to be honest about it as I hold no bias for any system, and due to the Wii U failing on the market it's probably time to start asking questions, and what could be done to improve the situation, as the audience for the nintendo are fleeing right left and center after the Wii this is a fact. They need to take the example of what the 3DS is doing, and get the games out there. If they ported 3ds games to the Wii U that would be a good start such as the Atlus games, shin megami, fire emblem etc.. A price cut without the controller included, and get a hold of more exclusives such as shenmue, and localise the dragon warrior game. Get the pokemon franchise out of the damn system aswell.
Relying on the same old tired franchises is not enough. They need new ips that's the only thing that will turn things around, and more mature games, and it couldn't do them harm repairing there 3rd party support. A system lives and dies by it's 3rd party support.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: Warmsignal on April 21, 2014, 08:29:47 pm
Yeah, this thread exists on many forums across the internet. The Wii U, a failure?!? Not really. I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions. The Vita, neither. They both have great potential. Developers could do really cool things with the U pad, and the Vita too, but they're either too lazy or too broke to do them.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 08:37:53 pm
I have a Feeling this Thread was started just so someone could be a troll
Huh? Is that a personal attack on me, I don't believe I insulted you? :o
not an attack, just trends I've noticed
Ahh sorry.. I thought we had free speech. So negative none bias criticism of a company somehow gives you the right to insult someone who doesn't hold the same opinion as yourself? I just call it how I see it if giving an opinion backed by reason, and facts means trolling. And that offends you then why don't you go suck your thumb in a corner something if your going to attack me. I don't believe i've been disrespectful to you. :-\
Definitely.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 08:39:37 pm
Yeah, this thread exists on many forums across the internet. The Wii U, a failure?!? Not really. I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions. The Vita, neither. They both have great potential. Developers could do really cool things with the U pad, and the Vita too, but they're either too lazy or too broke to do them.
I really think the vita is bouncing back the playstation 4 is really helping it.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: turf on April 21, 2014, 08:42:32 pm
Yeah, they wanted Call of Duty on the system. They'd be stupid not to. It sells a lot of games. I said Nintendo MAKES Nintendo games.
I'm not entirely sure porting 3DS games on a home console is the answer. Publishers can get away with a less expensive game on a portable. People don't expect as big a game in a handheld. That's one reason so many more small publishers put games out on the 3DS. You can't do that on a full-sized console.
I don't think Nintendo fans are fleeing either. They lost a lot of them a long time ago. The Wii was a gimmick. A lot of grandmas bought a Wii solely for Wii Sports. That same audience isn't there this time. I fell off as Nintendo being my #1 console with the GameCube. I was an XBox fella. They lose fans as the fans mature and get "too big for kiddie games". Well, I grew up to realize a good game is a good game. It doesn't matter if it's bright and colorful or dark and gritty.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: Warmsignal on April 21, 2014, 08:47:07 pm
I have a Feeling this Thread was started just so someone could be a troll
Huh? Is that a personal attack on me, I don't believe I insulted you? :o
not an attack, just trends I've noticed
Ahh sorry.. I thought we had free speech. So negative none bias criticism of a company somehow gives you the right to insult someone who doesn't hold the same opinion as yourself? I just call it how I see it if giving an opinion backed by reason, and facts means trolling. And that offends you then why don't you go suck your thumb in a corner something if your going to attack me. I don't believe i've been disrespectful to you. :-\
Definitely.
Basically threads like this exist to kick things while they're down, and zero in on negativity. The Wii U's situation has not gone unnoticed by anyone. In the end, they are a hardheaded company and they will do what they want to do, not what people scream for them to do. Some people already enjoy the console, and given the sales and games it has, it's past reasonable to still be knocking it.
Those screaming "I'm sick of Mario, I'm tired Zelda, I'm too grown up for these kiddy IPs", well, why even talk about the Wii U then? Go play Xbox or something else. What, do we need another platform that has Battlefield and Grand Theft Auto on it? Are we short on those?
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: redblaze57 on April 21, 2014, 08:55:35 pm
I have a Feeling this Thread was started just so someone could be a troll
Huh? Is that a personal attack on me, I don't believe I insulted you? :o
not an attack, just trends I've noticed
Definitely.
Ahh sorry.. I thought we had free speech. So negative none bias criticism of a company somehow gives you the right to insult someone who doesn't hold the same opinion as yourself? I just call it how I see it if giving an opinion backed by reason, and facts means trolling. And that offends you then why don't you go suck your thumb in a corner something if your going to attack me. I don't believe i've been disrespectful to you. :-\
...wut?
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 09:12:54 pm
Yeah, they wanted Call of Duty on the system. They'd be stupid not to. It sells a lot of games. I said Nintendo MAKES Nintendo games.
I'm not entirely sure porting 3DS games on a home console is the answer. Publishers can get away with a less expensive game on a portable. People don't expect as big a game in a handheld. That's one reason so many more small publishers put games out on the 3DS. You can't do that on a full-sized console.
I don't think Nintendo fans are fleeing either. They lost a lot of them a long time ago. The Wii was a gimmick. A lot of grandmas bought a Wii solely for Wii Sports. That same audience isn't there this time. I fell off as Nintendo being my #1 console with the GameCube. I was an XBox fella. They lose fans as the fans mature and get "too big for kiddie games". Well, I grew up to realize a good game is a good game. It doesn't matter if it's bright and colorful or dark and gritty.
Well i'm not saying a half assed 3ds port they should upgrade them to take full advantage of the controller. There are plenty of games that would be at home on the wii u. Just look at the playstation 3 the nis america games, or aksys games. Games that should be at home on a portable but are still on the console either way. They should be working to bridge that gap by now anyway like the vita is doing remote play.
The 3ds should not be fighting the Wii U it should be working together in harmony with it. They will release super smash bros on the 3ds and wii u that's the right idea but it's far far to little. There on good terms with sega, and sega own atlus so they should make it happen, and start bulking up there library so they have a unique game library to have legs stand on people will shut up wii u bashing when a wii u owner can proudly say well I have shenmue 3, and X. Another thing they should also pay out of the ass for shenmue 3 I know that will turn things around in less than a week. Because right now nintendo are sitting there quelity dying, and so is the fanbase. As there either to stupid or blind to see it or there not going to have any nintendo console to play in the next decade sadly.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 09:16:47 pm
I have a Feeling this Thread was started just so someone could be a troll
Huh? Is that a personal attack on me, I don't believe I insulted you? :o
not an attack, just trends I've noticed
Definitely.
Ahh sorry.. I thought we had free speech. So negative none bias criticism of a company somehow gives you the right to insult someone who doesn't hold the same opinion as yourself? I just call it how I see it if giving an opinion backed by reason, and facts means trolling. And that offends you then why don't you go suck your thumb in a corner something if your going to attack me. I don't believe i've been disrespectful to you. :-\
...wut?
yeah wut? ??? Please if you have nothing to add to the topic please leave. :)
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: redblaze57 on April 21, 2014, 09:23:48 pm
Please if you have nothing to add to the topic please leave. :)
Haha funny guy comparing multi electronic gaint sony to little nintendo in fiscal years is amusing I must say, but holds no relevance. Gamecube isn't even a failure per say, nor the n64, but compared to nes, and snes it's a disaster. So do you have like your own opinion to add or just that regurgitated stuff by some cool guy in shades. 8)
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: bikingjahuty on April 21, 2014, 09:44:10 pm
The Wii U is no doubt a financial failure at the moment, especially by Nintendo's standards. However, many are preaching gloom and doom regarding Nintendo as a whole company. The company is sitting on a Mountain of cash from the DS and Wii from last gen, not to mention two decades of financially successful hardware and software. Nintendo could release three system bombs in a row before any serious talk of the company as a whole could seriously be brought up.
On that note, the Wii U is the only next gen system I have any plans of buying at the moment. Wonderful 101, New SMBU, Super Mario World 3D, and Pikmin 3 alone have me wanting the system. The only reason I have not bought one yet is I am waiting an official release date on Monolith's X. Once that thing is slated to come out I will be buying one.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: redblaze57 on April 21, 2014, 09:46:14 pm
and now I certain this is just a troll page
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 21, 2014, 09:50:53 pm
Could you drop the "Nintendo games are for kids" nonsense? Like the second time now I've seen you knock them for it for no good reason. So the games are colorful and fun for the family, so therefor are just for kids? I love more adult games like Fallout, STALKER, Metro 2033, games that are dark and gritty and full of violence, but I also enjoy Mario and Kart Racing games. Because they are fun and entertaining.
As for the Wii U, yeah it's not doing well and probably will just manage to scrape by for a few more years. I feel like if they had initially went about things differently, it would've left them in a better place, such as the name. The Wii U is kinda confusing as a name, it very much just seemed like an addon of sorts to those that didn't know any better. It wasn't advertised well. If it had been a new name entirely, it would've helped to show that this was a new console. Combine that with poor third party support and it's just not good at all.
Funny enough, with how poor the Wii U is doing, I'm way more interested in the system than I was the Wii. I like that motion control isn't a focus, it has a proper and cool controller, it's HD, and I have more games now for the system than I did the 2 or 3 years of the Wii's life that I had one before selling it off to a friend. I'm actually backed up a bit on Wii U games lol With Smash Bros and Mario Kart 8 coming up, those are two big games. There's Bayonetta 2 and X that look awesome, the Zelda Dynasty Warriors hybrid should be fun, and I'm sure at E3 this year we'll finally get our big Zelda reveal that I've been waiting on.
And Nintendo consoles won't die off. There was an article recently where Nintendo could lose millions of dollars every year for the next 30 years and still be in business. They are much smarter about how they handle their company compared to everyone else that they won't just go the way of Sega. The 3DS for them is doing fantastically well which is a big part of their company, they are just gonna have to trudge things out for as long as they can with the Wii U, get out a few more of the big games, before they start looking to their next console that will have to probably come out quicker than the Wii U did after the Wii if they can't get out of this slump at all. The future for them does seem to be about interlinking the handheld with the console which is a good start for getting things on track, if not now, then for the next handheld and console.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 09:59:40 pm
Yeah please go troll elsewhere. Nintendo is failing sorry how else can I put this for you until you face the reality, are you on the nintendo shrooms or something? ;D
Yeah please go troll elsewhere. Nintendo is failing sorry how else can I put this for you until you face the reality, are you on the nintendo shrooms or something? ;D
I'm keeping an eye on this thread.
So keep it civil, please.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 10:17:29 pm
Could you drop the "Nintendo games are for kids" nonsense? Like the second time now I've seen you knock them for it for no good reason. So the games are colorful and fun for the family, so therefor are just for kids? I love more adult games like Fallout, STALKER, Metro 2033, games that are dark and gritty and full of violence, but I also enjoy Mario and Kart Racing games. Because they are fun and entertaining.
As for the Wii U, yeah it's not doing well and probably will just manage to scrape by for a few more years. I feel like if they had initially went about things differently, it would've left them in a better place, such as the name. The Wii U is kinda confusing as a name, it very much just seemed like an addon of sorts to those that didn't know any better. It wasn't advertised well. If it had been a new name entirely, it would've helped to show that this was a new console. Combine that with poor third party support and it's just not good at all.
Funny enough, with how poor the Wii U is doing, I'm way more interested in the system than I was the Wii. I like that motion control isn't a focus, it has a proper and cool controller, it's HD, and I have more games now for the system than I did the 2 or 3 years of the Wii's life that I had one before selling it off to a friend. I'm actually backed up a bit on Wii U games lol With Smash Bros and Mario Kart 8 coming up, those are two big games. There's Bayonetta 2 and X that look awesome, the Zelda Dynasty Warriors hybrid should be fun, and I'm sure at E3 this year we'll finally get our big Zelda reveal that I've been waiting on.
And Nintendo consoles won't die off. There was an article recently where Nintendo could lose millions of dollars every year for the next 30 years and still be in business. They are much smarter about how they handle their company compared to everyone else that they won't just go the way of Sega. The 3DS for them is doing fantastically well which is a big part of their company, they are just gonna have to trudge things out for as long as they can with the Wii U, get out a few more of the big games, before they start looking to their next console that will have to probably come out quicker than the Wii U did after the Wii if they can't get out of this slump at all. The future for them does seem to be about interlinking the handheld with the console which is a good start for getting things on track, if not now, then for the next handheld and console.
I'm not saying colourful video games are for kids i'm saying nintendo has a persona of being for kids as a family console please don't misquote me. There's video games that are for children. And video games that are for children, and adults. Just like the looney tune cartoons kids can watch but it's humour is very much adult in nature. I know people don't like hearing it but no one gives a shit about mario for the most part, and it's the truth. Except for the hardcore fanbase who grew up with the nes in the 80s. Are the same people who are buying it today. There's no nice way of putting it. The casual fanbase of the Wii have left the Wii U and moved on to there ps4's,xboxones, and the smartphone market. There more than happy to play angry birds over mario after they got there short kicks.
As for the Wii think the Wii was kind of a failure maybe short term big success, but long term a failure. Everyone I recall who owned a wii, and as well as online they all seemed to have sold there wii after letting it collect dust, and none of them really bought games for it. If i'm getting it right from what I heard they went for the casual fanbase, and more or less abandoned the hardcore audience with the wii except for a few jrpgs very late on. With the dwindling Wii sales they released the wii u.
The wii u can turn things around but 2 years on they haven't done much to turn things around. As you know first year there going up against xboxone, and ps4. The situation is bad, and I doubt any investor would want to back a company losing millions every year if that scenario happend.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 21, 2014, 10:36:37 pm
I know people don't like hearing it but no one gives a shit about mario for the most part, and it's the truth.
Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 have sold over 15 million copies combined. Super Mario 3D Land has done over 8 million in sales. Even with a struggling Wii U, Super Mario 3D World has done 2 million in sales. New Super Mario Bros U has done 4 million, though I'm sure a good bit of that was due to being a bundle package later on. I'm not denying that there is technically a bigger mobile market which is held together by half-assed free to play games that is easier to pull people in, but people still like Mario. The problem is that the average consumer just doesn't really understand the Wii U these days and Nintendo has struggled to really sell it to them. People owning a 3DS certainly love the crap out of Mario and that's the "truth".
I also didn't misquote you. You said that Nintendo "just puts out tired franchises, and for children at that"...That has nothing to do with Nintendo's "persona", which is that of family gaming. That's calling Nintendo games as childish. Sure, they don't have the more adult humor of your Loony Tunes example, but they are games made for everyone to enjoy, not just kids. It's kind of the usual remark you see from the hardcore crowd on other systems that only see Mario as mascot for a kiddy console.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: Warmsignal on April 21, 2014, 10:43:33 pm
People don't care about Mario, they buy the games for Toad! :P
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 21, 2014, 10:46:51 pm
People don't care about Mario, they buy the games for Toad! :P
Did you hear? That Toad explorer minigame that was in the 3D Mario games? Apparently it was so well received, they are gonna do more with him! SO MUCH HYPE!
:D
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dashv on April 21, 2014, 10:54:20 pm
I know people don't like hearing it but no one gives a shit about mario for the most part, and it's the truth.
Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 have sold over 15 million copies combined. Super Mario 3D Land has done over 8 million in sales. Even with a struggling Wii U, Super Mario 3D World has done 2 million in sales. New Super Mario Bros U has done 4 million, though I'm sure a good bit of that was due to being a bundle package later on. I'm not denying that there is technically a bigger mobile market which is held together by half-assed free to play games that is easier to pull people in, but people still like Mario. The problem is that the average consumer just doesn't really understand the Wii U these days and Nintendo has struggled to really sell it to them. People owning a 3DS certainly love the crap out of Mario and that's the "truth".
I also didn't misquote you. You said that Nintendo "just puts out tired franchises, and for children at that"...That has nothing to do with Nintendo's "persona", which is that of family gaming. That's calling Nintendo games as childish. Sure, they don't have the more adult humor of your Loony Tunes example, but they are games made for everyone to enjoy, not just kids. It's kind of the usual remark you see from the hardcore crowd on other systems that only see Mario as mascot for a kiddy console.
They were pack in games I remember seeing mario galaxy as a pack in game. And if yours didn't have it included I would say the only game most casuals would own for the Wii would be wii sports, and mario galaxy.
I see what you mean but realistically it's target audience is children, the father may join in and play with the son every full moon perhaps. But the reality of what adults are playing it isn't mario for the most part from the people i've known, and from polls. There's also adults that watch my little pony who will furiously defend it but it doesn't necessarily mean this is a regularity or change it's target audience. I feel people are just tired of seeing the same mascots selling there consoles. They thought they could try it again, and get away with it with the wii u but they walked into a sad awakening. Most people won't say it out loud, but looking around the internet with people who care more about saying what wants to be said than reality. Won't continue the dreamcast wasn't expecting to die as soon as it did either.
The mario games no doubt expertly designed, and highly creative but they still follow the same pattern as every other game. Most got tired of this along time ago except for the diehard nintendo fanatics that still refuse to get with the times, and Nintendo still operating like it's the 1980s. Always mario mario mario some people can't stand those games.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: Warmsignal on April 21, 2014, 10:58:56 pm
People don't care about Mario, they buy the games for Toad! :P
Did you hear? That Toad explorer minigame that was in the 3D Mario games? Apparently it was so well received, they are gonna do more with him! SO MUCH HYPE!
:D
For real, that guy is underrated. He deserves his own chance in the spotlight, not to be some afterthought in the script of that narcissistic plumber. Toad Adventures U, I'm calling it right now. That just might move some consoles.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dashv on April 21, 2014, 11:00:59 pm
The Wii U is no doubt a financial failure at the moment, especially by Nintendo's standards. However, many are preaching gloom and doom regarding Nintendo as a whole company. The company is sitting on a Mountain of cash from the DS and Wii from last gen, not to mention two decades of financially successful hardware and software. Nintendo could release three system bombs in a row before any serious talk of the company as a whole could seriously be brought up.
Nailed it.
If Virtual Boy didn't kill them. The Wii U certainly won't.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: sin2beta on April 21, 2014, 11:14:37 pm
The Wii U is no doubt a financial failure at the moment, especially by Nintendo's standards. However, many are preaching gloom and doom regarding Nintendo as a whole company. The company is sitting on a Mountain of cash from the DS and Wii from last gen, not to mention two decades of financially successful hardware and software. Nintendo could release three system bombs in a row before any serious talk of the company as a whole could seriously be brought up.
Nailed it.
If Virtual Boy didn't kill them. The Wii U certainly won't.
The latest episode of RadioFreeNintendo actually debated what is the biggest failure: the virtual boy or the WiiU. It's fairly interesting. Well worth a listen. It's a question at the end.
A recent number floating around is that the Dreamcast outsold the WiiU in the current timeframe. http://o.canada.com/technology/gaming/segas-failed-dreamcast-actually-outsold-the-wii-u/
The WiiU is strange territory for Nintendo. They almost never lose money on a system. However, they take a loss on each WiiU system sold. There is decent news though. They make a profit if that user buys two disc games or buys one digital game. This seems like a guarantee. I suspect the WiiU is going to be "break even" ground for Nintendo.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dashv on April 21, 2014, 11:19:47 pm
The Wii U is no doubt a financial failure at the moment, especially by Nintendo's standards. However, many are preaching gloom and doom regarding Nintendo as a whole company. The company is sitting on a Mountain of cash from the DS and Wii from last gen, not to mention two decades of financially successful hardware and software. Nintendo could release three system bombs in a row before any serious talk of the company as a whole could seriously be brought up.
Nailed it.
If Virtual Boy didn't kill them. The Wii U certainly won't.
The latest episode of RadioFreeNintendo actually debated what is the biggest failure: the virtual boy or the WiiU. It's fairly interesting. Well worth a listen. It's a question at the end.
A recent number floating around is that the Dreamcast outsold the WiiU in the current timeframe. http://o.canada.com/technology/gaming/segas-failed-dreamcast-actually-outsold-the-wii-u/
The WiiU is strange territory for Nintendo. They almost never lose money on a system. However, they take a loss on each WiiU system sold. There is decent news though. They make a profit if that user buys two disc games or buys one digital game. This seems like a guarantee. I suspect the WiiU is going to be "break even" ground for Nintendo.
Plays old wii games. Check. Plays old virtual console purchases. Check. Has more decent games than Virtual Boy. Check. Has a sweet Metriod game... Crap.
Guys, we just found the problem. :-) somebody call nintendo!
Seriously though. It might be a bigger bomb for the big N financially, but I'm with redblaze. It's got enough solid games under it already that folks that bought it are in better shape than folks that bought into the Virtual Boy.
Also to assume Nintendo might fail as a company because of WiiU failing as a console ignores bikingjahuty's point. Nintendo has massive cash reserves.
Sega did not. Sega needed Dreamcast to be big because they were running on fumes.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 21, 2014, 11:28:34 pm
Most people won't say it out loud, but looking around the internet with people who care more about saying what wants to be said than reality. Won't continue the dreamcast wasn't expecting to die as soon as it did either
Most people have and agree the Wii U is in a troubling place. You aren't hear spouting off the "untold truth" and opening the minds of folks to something they are just failing to realize. Everyone sees that Nintendo is having trouble with the Wii U. Well regarded fact for abit now, especially after the successful launches of both the Xbone and PS4. At this point and with what we know of the company, Nintendo isn't in any real danger right now of losing their hardware business. At the most, we'll just see a shorter life cycle between the Wii U and the next system.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 21, 2014, 11:34:53 pm
Most people won't say it out loud, but looking around the internet with people who care more about saying what wants to be said than reality. Won't continue the dreamcast wasn't expecting to die as soon as it did either
Most people have and agree the Wii U is in a troubling place. You aren't hear spouting off the "untold truth" and opening the minds of folks to something they are just failing to realize. Everyone sees that Nintendo is having trouble with the Wii U. Well regarded fact for abit now, especially after the successful launches of both the Xbone and PS4. At this point and with what we know of the company, Nintendo isn't in any real danger right now of losing their hardware business.
decline is nothing to be proud about, real danger no, but danger yes they should be concerned about it. It's like wearing flower glases or something. Before things get worse nows the time people should speak up about it. Unless they want to talk about the good old days when the wii u still had a future, and what went wrong a decade from now.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: sin2beta on April 21, 2014, 11:35:40 pm
The Wii U is no doubt a financial failure at the moment, especially by Nintendo's standards. However, many are preaching gloom and doom regarding Nintendo as a whole company. The company is sitting on a Mountain of cash from the DS and Wii from last gen, not to mention two decades of financially successful hardware and software. Nintendo could release three system bombs in a row before any serious talk of the company as a whole could seriously be brought up.
Nailed it.
If Virtual Boy didn't kill them. The Wii U certainly won't.
The latest episode of RadioFreeNintendo actually debated what is the biggest failure: the virtual boy or the WiiU. It's fairly interesting. Well worth a listen. It's a question at the end.
A recent number floating around is that the Dreamcast outsold the WiiU in the current timeframe. http://o.canada.com/technology/gaming/segas-failed-dreamcast-actually-outsold-the-wii-u/
The WiiU is strange territory for Nintendo. They almost never lose money on a system. However, they take a loss on each WiiU system sold. There is decent news though. They make a profit if that user buys two disc games or buys one digital game. This seems like a guarantee. I suspect the WiiU is going to be "break even" ground for Nintendo.
Plays old wii games. Check. Plays old virtual console purchases. Check. Has more decent games than Virtual Boy. Check. Has a sweet Metriod game... Crap.
Guys, we just found the problem. :-) somebody call nintendo!
Seriously though. It might be a bigger bomb for the big N financially, but I'm with redblaze. It's got enough solid games under it already that folks that bought it are in better shape than folks that bought into the Virtual Boy.
Also to assume Nintendo might fail as a company because of WiiU failing as a console ignores bikingjahuty's point. Nintendo has massive cash reserves.
Sega did not. Sega needed Dreamcast to be big because they were running on fumes.
Being able to sustain something does not exclude it from being a failure. Cash reserves state nothing regarding current success.
The point of the RFN question is as follows: The WiiU might be a bigger failure than the virtual boy due to its expectations and marketing. The WiiU is fairly conservative and came off of the Wii's success. The Wii was huge. Sold like crazy. The WiiU is, without question, meant to be riding that. Just look at its name and design. However, it has sold horribly. While the virtual boy was extremely radical. It looked like it was going to fail. It was never meant to be Nintendo's next big console. Nintendo had the ability to ditch it as it had another home console and portable. The virtual boy was neither a home console or a portable. It was an attempt to create a third platform. This, by definition, should be niche. The virtual boy, in a lot of ways, is a failed experiment. Not bad. While the WiiU is a failed conservative attempt at one of their main markets. Signs of major trouble.
It could be argued that the WiiU is the bigger failure. I'm not saying it is. But it could be argued.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 21, 2014, 11:47:51 pm
decline is nothing to be proud about, real danger no, but danger yes they should be concerned about it. It's like wearing flower glases or something. Before things get worse nows the time people should speak up about it. Unless they want to talk about the good old days when the wii u still had a future, and what went wrong a decade from now.
Speak up about what? What are you even going on about? Nintendo has shown plenty of concern for the system for a while now and made decisions to show how they think about it such as Iwata taking a huge pay cut over the troubles with the system. No one is denying that Nintendo is struggling, or that the Wii U isn't hurting them because of poor sales. The only thing I'm seeing in the conversations any more are two things. People worried about the system, but excited for some upcoming titles, and those who are foolishly calling this the end of Nintendo's hardware career. Their handheld business is massively successful, the Wii U is nothing more than a bump in the road for them. I would say their future lies more on the next system and how well it can compete with other consoles as being a much bigger decider on their LONG term future, but I think at the very worst, it would only end up with Nintendo focusing on their handheld market instead.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: turf on April 22, 2014, 12:17:35 am
You aren't hear spouting off the "untold truth" and opening the minds of folks to something they are just failing to realize.
I beg to differ. Because of this, I now hate everything Nintendo. It is a child's toy that is doomed to fail. I'm glad someone brought me to the light before I enjoyed something.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 22, 2014, 12:25:28 am
You aren't hear spouting off the "untold truth" and opening the minds of folks to something they are just failing to realize.
I beg to differ. Because of this, I now hate everything Nintendo. It is a child's toy that is doomed to fail. I'm glad someone brought me to the light before I enjoyed something.
I want your collection of Nintendo games cleaned out by the morning!
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: foxhack on April 22, 2014, 12:27:13 am
You aren't hear spouting off the "untold truth" and opening the minds of folks to something they are just failing to realize.
I beg to differ. Because of this, I now hate everything Nintendo. It is a child's toy that is doomed to fail. I'm glad someone brought me to the light before I enjoyed something.
I want your collection of Nintendo games cleaned out by the morning!
I'll take them and give them a proper ... disposal.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: turf on April 22, 2014, 12:49:51 am
You aren't hear spouting off the "untold truth" and opening the minds of folks to something they are just failing to realize.
I beg to differ. Because of this, I now hate everything Nintendo. It is a child's toy that is doomed to fail. I'm glad someone brought me to the light before I enjoyed something.
I want your collection of Nintendo games cleaned out by the morning!
I'll take them and give them a proper ... disposal.
I burned all of them with my arcade cabinets, systems, Nintendo Powers, and childhood just as soon as I saw the Truth.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 01:01:06 am
You aren't hear spouting off the "untold truth" and opening the minds of folks to something they are just failing to realize.
I beg to differ. Because of this, I now hate everything Nintendo. It is a child's toy that is doomed to fail. I'm glad someone brought me to the light before I enjoyed something.
Oh dear what have you been reading?, posts that are not postive about holy nintendo? This can't be this is sacrilege! You're more than free to religiously worship the church of nintendo if you so do wish. If you feel so strongly about it still you can give me all your nintendo games, and i'll send you the wii u that my friend is using a door-stop free of charge.
Oh dear what have you been reading?, posts that are not postive about holy nintendo? This can't be this is sacrilege! You're more than free to religiously worship the church of nintendo if you so do wish. If you feel so strongly about it still you can give me all your nintendo games, and i'll send you the wii u that my friend is using a door-stop free of charge.
Not trashing Nintendo doesn't mean that anyone here is thinking the opposite, that Nintendo is put onto this pedestal that can never be touched or criticized, but this idea that Nintendo MUST be called out, that you are the only one willing to stand up to Nintendo, is just pointless. Seems to be a common thread with you and your posting. The thread at this point really just feels like you wanted an argument rather than a discussion.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: Warmsignal on April 22, 2014, 01:19:15 am
I've worshiped in the Holy Church of Nintendo since Bible Adventures. This is religious persecution I tell ya.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 01:27:15 am
Oh dear what have you been reading?, posts that are not postive about holy nintendo? This can't be this is sacrilege! You're more than free to religiously worship the church of nintendo if you so do wish. If you feel so strongly about it still you can give me all your nintendo games, and i'll send you the wii u that my friend is using a door-stop free of charge.
Not trashing Nintendo doesn't mean that anyone here is thinking the opposite, that Nintendo is put onto this pedestal that can never be touched or criticized, but this idea that Nintendo MUST be called out, that you are the only one willing to stand up to Nintendo, is just pointless. Seems to be a common thread with you and your posting. The thread at this point really just feels like you wanted an argument rather than a discussion.
Not really I wanted truthful discussion, and insight about the direction the wii u is heading without the sentimental bullshit but that seems to much to hear reality. "The wii u is failing but I won't say anything because I don't want to upset the fanboys", sorry for my bluntness. Not to be name called, and ganged up by you, and your friends like a bunch of tribal folk. But I don't mind. A console originally called the nintendo "family" entertainment system it was targeted for kids that still resides today. Why so much aggression that it's fundamentally a childrens toy. Doesn't mean it's bad.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 22, 2014, 01:42:02 am
Not really I wanted truthful discussion, and insight about the direction the wii u is heading without the sentimental bullshit but that seems to much to hear reality. "The wii u is failing but I won't say anything because I don't want to upset the fanboys", sorry for my bluntness. Not to be name called, and ganged up by you, and your friends like a bunch of tribal folk. But I don't mind. A console originally called the nintendo "family" entertainment system it was targeted for kids that still resides today. Why so much aggression that it's fundamentally a childrens toy.
I didn't see any super serious fanboys in this thread, just pointing out where you might be wrong and even agreeing with you on the issues of the system. At the very most were a few people like me very interested in some of the games coming up, but none of us are blind to the situation the Wii U is in. You are arguing without anything to argue about because there's no one to take the bait. You see the Wii U as a failure, others just see it struggling, but we've seen how things have gone bad for Nintendo before and they've recovered, or it was just a loss and they made it up the next time around. The 3DS was being called a failure too and that is now doing fantastic. I don't think that's the future for the Wii U though, but there are still some great looking games coming up.
I've only been here around 3 days longer than you, but with the vibe about this place compared to other forums I visit, it's a very chill place. People aren't wanting to argue about stuff like that in particular. It's all very goofy and half-serious, none of the console war type stuff you get in game threads elsewhere, not much of the foaming at the mouth fanboy stuff. It's not about unconditional love for Nintendo or some thing else, it just seems mostly unnecessary to get confrontational about this stuff.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 02:00:18 am
Not really I wanted truthful discussion, and insight about the direction the wii u is heading without the sentimental bullshit but that seems to much to hear reality. "The wii u is failing but I won't say anything because I don't want to upset the fanboys", sorry for my bluntness. Not to be name called, and ganged up by you, and your friends like a bunch of tribal folk. But I don't mind. A console originally called the nintendo "family" entertainment system it was targeted for kids that still resides today. Why so much aggression that it's fundamentally a childrens toy.
I didn't see any super serious fanboys in this thread, just pointing out where you might be wrong and even agreeing with you on the issues of the system. At the very most were a few people like me very interested in some of the games coming up, but none of us are blind to the situation the Wii U is in. You are arguing without anything to argue about because there's no one to take the bait. You see the Wii U as a failure, others just see it struggling, but we've seen how things have gone bad for Nintendo before and they've recovered, or it was just a loss and they made it up the next time around. The 3DS was being called a failure too and that is now doing fantastic. I don't think that's the future for the Wii U though, but there are still some great looking games coming up.
We will see. But the lose of 3rd party support, and EA sport games is big blow. And only 3 games this year are due for release that mean anything. And in my opinion I never thought the 3ds was a failure, and it's a handheld anyway not a console. But maybe your right, but the wii u here is dead, and no one cares they care about there xbox one, and ps4's. Asked a friend if he's heard of a wii u his response was wtf is a wii u. I think that's all I needed to hear. Only people who even play wii u are hardcore collectors who buy everything, and every console anyway. Probably never even play it either, but defend it fanatically. You know it's true.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 22, 2014, 02:05:42 am
We will see. But the lose of 3rd party support, and EA sport games is big blow. And only 3 games this year are due for release that mean anything. And in my opinion I never thought the 3ds was a failure, and it's a handheld anyway not a console. But maybe your right, but the wii u here is dead, and no one cares they care about there xbox one, and ps4's. Asked a friend if he's heard of a wii u his response was wtf is a wii u. I think that's all I needed to hear.
Certainly agree that a lack of third party is not good and they need to announce more game dates for stuff. I was just pointing out that the 3DS was getting called out for its lack of games and that it was failing, but it came back also and the Wii U has that chance if it can get more people on board, but it's not very likely.
I think the biggest factor is that the basic consumer just doesn't understand the Wii U, purely because Nintendo failed. They gambled that calling it the Wii U would make folks think of the good selling Wii before, but people thought it was too much Wii and therefore didn't think it was anything that big of a deal. I really wonder if they had called it something else entirely and then acknowledged it's backwards compatibility with the Wii afterwards, if it would've done better to be more obvious to consumers that it was a new system, and not just a tablet addon to the Wii.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 02:12:51 am
We will see. But the lose of 3rd party support, and EA sport games is big blow. And only 3 games this year are due for release that mean anything. And in my opinion I never thought the 3ds was a failure, and it's a handheld anyway not a console. But maybe your right, but the wii u here is dead, and no one cares they care about there xbox one, and ps4's. Asked a friend if he's heard of a wii u his response was wtf is a wii u. I think that's all I needed to hear.
Certainly agree that a lack of third party is not good and they need to announce more game dates for stuff. I was just pointing out that the 3DS was getting called out for its lack of games and that it was failing, but it came back also and the Wii U has that chance if it can get more people on board, but it's not very likely.
I think the biggest factor is that the basic consumer just doesn't understand the Wii U, purely because Nintendo failed. They gambled that calling it the Wii U would make folks think of the good selling Wii before, but people thought it was too much Wii and therefore didn't think it was anything that big of a deal. I really wonder if they had called it something else entirely and then acknowledged it's backwards compatibility with the Wii afterwards, if it would've done better to be more obvious to consumers that it was a new system, and not just a tablet addon to the Wii.
The console looks to much like the Wii as well. I hate to bitch about graphics but I also hear it's underpowered. Really wish they would just ditch the controller, and release some rpgs. I would really wanna pick the wii u out of all the consoles but it's just not doing enough. The ps4 already has more games than it.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 22, 2014, 02:22:06 am
The console looks to much like the Wii as well. I hate to bitch about graphics but I also hear it's underpowered. Really wish they would just ditch the controller, and release some rpgs. I would really wanna pick the wii u out of all the consoles but it's just not doing enough. The ps4 already has more games than it.
I hear it's actually a lot stronger than people think it is, certainly more than the 360/PS3, but obviously not as much as the PS4 or Xbone. I finally picked the Wii U up this year as I thought there were plenty of good games for it and a lot coming out this year.
What does the PS4 have out now that is actually good? Everything I've seen come out for it so far has just been rather lukewarm. Just going on exclusives, I heard Infamous was fine, Knack wasn't that good, Killzone was okay...and that is kinda it. The rest is all multiplatform stuff which I don't take into consideration for consoles anymore. And I'm certainly not knocking the system, it's still in launch mode, but I haven't seen anything enticing on it at all yet or even coming up other than maybe The Order and whatever Deep Down turns out to be.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: blipcs76 on April 22, 2014, 10:19:50 am
I think a lot of people are sitting by and waiting for Mario Kart 8 to release next month before they invest in the Wii U. Mario Kart Wii was the biggest selling game on the system (not including Wii Sports), selling over 35 MILLION copies. Lots of people love Mario Kart and will pick up a Wii U for that game alone.
That being said, Mario Kart 8 is a band aid for a much bigger problem. There is simply no software coming out this year that anyone is discussing other than Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Bayonetta 2, X and Watch Dogs. There's apparently over 100 downloadable games in development for Wii U, but indie games don't sell systems, AAA titles do. They need to put the 3DS on autopilot and focus on getting games out for the Wii U. They have billions of dollars in the bank, so I have no idea why they passed on acquiring Atlus.
Nintendo refuses to acknowledge there are gamers out there who want to play stuff like Bioshock, Fallout, Borderlands, Mass Effect, Dead Space and Dead Rising. At this point, buying a Wii U is like buying a Blu-ray player that only reads Disney blu-rays. Most of Nintendo's audience has been with them for several generations -- they're adults and want new, more mature experiences to go along with the nostalgia trifecta of Mario, Zelda and Metroid.
Where are the new IPs? As much as we love these franchises, they're starting to get a bit stale. It's time for something new. There is so much potential with the gamepad that is being overlooked. Imagine how AMAZING a new Fatal Frame title would be on Wii U, when you actually have to hold up and use the gamepad to photograph the ghosts! But Nintendo is stubborn and continues to think that cranking out incremental updates to Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing and Wii Sports is going to sell systems. It's not. While that might be enough for Nintendo fanboys, it's not enough for the modern gamer.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: turf on April 22, 2014, 10:38:21 am
At this point, buying a Wii U is like buying a Blu-ray player that only reads Disney blu-rays.
It's more like buying a Blu-ray player that only plays Disney movies, but those movies can only be played on that player.
They do need more original IPs. Did creativity die? It seems like they are playing it a little too safe with new ideas. I would love to see some new ideas come out of Nintendo. Take a chance. Give me a little something that I might like. Wonderful 101 was a breath of fresh air even if it wasn't developed by Nintendo. Give me more stuff like that.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: tpugmire on April 22, 2014, 11:11:41 am
I'm enjoying my Wii U more than my 360. Does that make me a fanboy? It's all about perspectives. From a business standpoint, Nintendo is in trouble with the Wii U, there is no disputing that. I think it's too early to call it a failure. They may be able to turn it around, and they may not. From my own personal point of view, if I enjoy it, it's not a failure. If it fails to entertain me, THEN it's a failure. And that goes for any console, from any manufacturer.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: burningdoom on April 22, 2014, 01:19:13 pm
We will see. But the lose of 3rd party support, and EA sport games is big blow. And only 3 games this year are due for release that mean anything. And in my opinion I never thought the 3ds was a failure, and it's a handheld anyway not a console. But maybe your right, but the wii u here is dead, and no one cares they care about there xbox one, and ps4's. Asked a friend if he's heard of a wii u his response was wtf is a wii u. I think that's all I needed to hear.
Certainly agree that a lack of third party is not good and they need to announce more game dates for stuff. I was just pointing out that the 3DS was getting called out for its lack of games and that it was failing, but it came back also and the Wii U has that chance if it can get more people on board, but it's not very likely.
I think the biggest factor is that the basic consumer just doesn't understand the Wii U, purely because Nintendo failed. They gambled that calling it the Wii U would make folks think of the good selling Wii before, but people thought it was too much Wii and therefore didn't think it was anything that big of a deal. I really wonder if they had called it something else entirely and then acknowledged it's backwards compatibility with the Wii afterwards, if it would've done better to be more obvious to consumers that it was a new system, and not just a tablet addon to the Wii.
The console looks to much like the Wii as well. I hate to bitch about graphics but I also hear it's underpowered. Really wish they would just ditch the controller, and release some rpgs. I would really wanna pick the wii u out of all the consoles but it's just not doing enough. The ps4 already has more games than it.
So you already told us you're sick of Nintendo's quote "kiddie games". Now you don't like the way the console looks, and you don't like the controller.
It really sounds like you want an entirely different console, and not a Nintendo console at all...so buy a PS4 or Xbox One then.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 02:09:01 pm
We will see. But the lose of 3rd party support, and EA sport games is big blow. And only 3 games this year are due for release that mean anything. And in my opinion I never thought the 3ds was a failure, and it's a handheld anyway not a console. But maybe your right, but the wii u here is dead, and no one cares they care about there xbox one, and ps4's. Asked a friend if he's heard of a wii u his response was wtf is a wii u. I think that's all I needed to hear.
Certainly agree that a lack of third party is not good and they need to announce more game dates for stuff. I was just pointing out that the 3DS was getting called out for its lack of games and that it was failing, but it came back also and the Wii U has that chance if it can get more people on board, but it's not very likely.
I think the biggest factor is that the basic consumer just doesn't understand the Wii U, purely because Nintendo failed. They gambled that calling it the Wii U would make folks think of the good selling Wii before, but people thought it was too much Wii and therefore didn't think it was anything that big of a deal. I really wonder if they had called it something else entirely and then acknowledged it's backwards compatibility with the Wii afterwards, if it would've done better to be more obvious to consumers that it was a new system, and not just a tablet addon to the Wii.
The console looks to much like the Wii as well. I hate to bitch about graphics but I also hear it's underpowered. Really wish they would just ditch the controller, and release some rpgs. I would really wanna pick the wii u out of all the consoles but it's just not doing enough. The ps4 already has more games than it.
So you already told us you're sick of Nintendo's quote "kiddie games". Now you don't like the way the console looks, and you don't like the controller.
It really sounds like you want an entirely different console, and not a Nintendo console at all...so buy a PS4 or Xbox One then.
The xboxone I won't even mention just expected more from nintendo. I'm tired of the same old mario games, and games targeted at children when I said that. Most would agree if there not total pacifists about facts. You really need to read properly what I said I said it looks far to much like the Wii adding to the confusion. Not everyone is a diehard nintendo boy like yourself. If they don't know what a Wii U is, or if it's different from the wii it's not going to sell is it brainiac? The controller has made things into a super niche for some reason. And it's battery life is like 5 minutes.
We will see. But the lose of 3rd party support, and EA sport games is big blow. And only 3 games this year are due for release that mean anything. And in my opinion I never thought the 3ds was a failure, and it's a handheld anyway not a console. But maybe your right, but the wii u here is dead, and no one cares they care about there xbox one, and ps4's. Asked a friend if he's heard of a wii u his response was wtf is a wii u. I think that's all I needed to hear.
Certainly agree that a lack of third party is not good and they need to announce more game dates for stuff. I was just pointing out that the 3DS was getting called out for its lack of games and that it was failing, but it came back also and the Wii U has that chance if it can get more people on board, but it's not very likely.
I think the biggest factor is that the basic consumer just doesn't understand the Wii U, purely because Nintendo failed. They gambled that calling it the Wii U would make folks think of the good selling Wii before, but people thought it was too much Wii and therefore didn't think it was anything that big of a deal. I really wonder if they had called it something else entirely and then acknowledged it's backwards compatibility with the Wii afterwards, if it would've done better to be more obvious to consumers that it was a new system, and not just a tablet addon to the Wii.
The console looks to much like the Wii as well. I hate to bitch about graphics but I also hear it's underpowered. Really wish they would just ditch the controller, and release some rpgs. I would really wanna pick the wii u out of all the consoles but it's just not doing enough. The ps4 already has more games than it.
So you already told us you're sick of Nintendo's quote "kiddie games". Now you don't like the way the console looks, and you don't like the controller.
It really sounds like you want an entirely different console, and not a Nintendo console at all...so buy a PS4 or Xbox One then.
The xboxone I won't even mention just expected more from nintendo. I'm tired of the same old mario games, and games targeted at children when I said that. Most would agree if there not total pacifists about facts. You really need to read properly what I said I said it looks far to much like the Wii adding to the confusion. Not everyone is a diehard nintendo boy like yourself. If they don't know what a Wii U is, or if it's different from the wii it's not going to sell is it brainiac?
I'm a diehard Nintendo fan? Huh, funny since I have more PS1 and PS2 games than any other systems.
I don't think the problem is that I'm a diehard Nintendo fan, I think it's that you're dieheard anti-Nintendo. More than a few troll threads have been started by you showing this.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 02:30:50 pm
We will see. But the lose of 3rd party support, and EA sport games is big blow. And only 3 games this year are due for release that mean anything. And in my opinion I never thought the 3ds was a failure, and it's a handheld anyway not a console. But maybe your right, but the wii u here is dead, and no one cares they care about there xbox one, and ps4's. Asked a friend if he's heard of a wii u his response was wtf is a wii u. I think that's all I needed to hear.
Certainly agree that a lack of third party is not good and they need to announce more game dates for stuff. I was just pointing out that the 3DS was getting called out for its lack of games and that it was failing, but it came back also and the Wii U has that chance if it can get more people on board, but it's not very likely.
I think the biggest factor is that the basic consumer just doesn't understand the Wii U, purely because Nintendo failed. They gambled that calling it the Wii U would make folks think of the good selling Wii before, but people thought it was too much Wii and therefore didn't think it was anything that big of a deal. I really wonder if they had called it something else entirely and then acknowledged it's backwards compatibility with the Wii afterwards, if it would've done better to be more obvious to consumers that it was a new system, and not just a tablet addon to the Wii.
The console looks to much like the Wii as well. I hate to bitch about graphics but I also hear it's underpowered. Really wish they would just ditch the controller, and release some rpgs. I would really wanna pick the wii u out of all the consoles but it's just not doing enough. The ps4 already has more games than it.
So you already told us you're sick of Nintendo's quote "kiddie games". Now you don't like the way the console looks, and you don't like the controller.
It really sounds like you want an entirely different console, and not a Nintendo console at all...so buy a PS4 or Xbox One then.
The xboxone I won't even mention just expected more from nintendo. I'm tired of the same old mario games, and games targeted at children when I said that. Most would agree if there not total pacifists about facts. You really need to read properly what I said I said it looks far to much like the Wii adding to the confusion. Not everyone is a diehard nintendo boy like yourself. If they don't know what a Wii U is, or if it's different from the wii it's not going to sell is it brainiac?
I'm a diehard Nintendo fan? Huh, funny since I have more PS1 and PS2 games than any other systems.
I don't think the problem is that I'm a diehard Nintendo fan, I think it's that you're dieheard anti-Nintendo. More than a few troll threads have been started by you showing this.
Haha no sorry try again. I like nintendo very much the super famicom is my 2nd largest collection, and is my 2nd fravourite console next to saturn. I won't mention microsoft as there a lost cause. I mention nintendo because I like them very much, and it would be sad to see them head the same direction as sega. Studying history of failed consoles i'm noticing nintendo is starting to make those same classic mistakes as those consoles in the past, and I feel ignoring it it could pretty decremental if you want to keep playing nintendo games in the future. I different direction needs to be taken, and playing around with smartphone games isn't that direction either, even if you do not agree to this. I believe more games for a mature audience from 1st party games, aswell as supporting the old franchises, plus more exclusives, and as well as fixing 3rd party support, losing the controller for a price cut would be a good start.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: blipcs76 on April 22, 2014, 02:31:35 pm
Imagine how AMAZING a new Fatal Frame title would be on Wii U, when you actually have to hold up and use the gamepad to photograph the ghosts!
Yes, I'm quoting myself, but it's totally relevant. Ask and ye shall receive! http://gematsu.com/2014/04/new-fatal-frame-announced-wii-u (http://gematsu.com/2014/04/new-fatal-frame-announced-wii-u)
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 02:39:49 pm
Imagine how AMAZING a new Fatal Frame title would be on Wii U, when you actually have to hold up and use the gamepad to photograph the ghosts!
Yes, I'm quoting myself, but it's totally relevant. Ask and ye shall receive! http://gematsu.com/2014/04/new-fatal-frame-announced-wii-u (http://gematsu.com/2014/04/new-fatal-frame-announced-wii-u)
"Guys remember Fatal Frame 4, we never got that, don't get your hopes up so quickly" What happend to that gamecube horror game that was suppose to be coming. Get excited when it has a release date TBA basically means fuck you in polite terms. But this is good.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 22, 2014, 03:28:49 pm
Fatal Frame is perfect for the Wii U and I'm still hoping they do a new Pokemon Snap, cause it makes a lot of sense with the system.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 03:37:10 pm
Fatal Frame is perfect for the Wii U and I'm still hoping they do a new Pokemon Snap, cause it makes a lot of sense with the system.
A new pokemon snap would go together like bread, and butter with the controller. There really letting it pass by not announcing any pokemon games for wii u.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: 90snostalga on April 22, 2014, 04:16:18 pm
I just spent a good amount of time reading this post. Very interesting.
The only thing I will say is that I do not like the Xbox One but I will not be so negative on every post about all the down falls of it. I'm sure its like everything. There is a good and a bad to the system.
Me personally, I have enjoyed my Wii U for the most part especially the game "Zombie U". In my opinion, it's a fantastic game! and I am looking forward to Mario Kart 8 that I have on pre-order. :D
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 09:38:46 pm
I just spent a good amount of time reading this post. Very interesting.
The only thing I will say is that I do not like the Xbox One but I will not be so negative on every post about all the down falls of it. I'm sure its like everything. There is a good and a bad to the system.
Me personally, I have enjoyed my Wii U for the most part especially the game "Zombie U". In my opinion, it's a fantastic game! and I am looking forward to Mario Kart 8 that I have on pre-order. :D
DRM that's all that needs to be said. I'm failing to understand why anyone would get behind them after they tried to screw there customers on every occasion possible it truly blows my mind. How does one go about getting shaked upside down to empty there pockets still come back to them? Stockholm syndrome.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: sin2beta on April 22, 2014, 09:44:20 pm
I just spent a good amount of time reading this post. Very interesting.
The only thing I will say is that I do not like the Xbox One but I will not be so negative on every post about all the down falls of it. I'm sure its like everything. There is a good and a bad to the system.
Me personally, I have enjoyed my Wii U for the most part especially the game "Zombie U". In my opinion, it's a fantastic game! and I am looking forward to Mario Kart 8 that I have on pre-order. :D
With everything I've said, the WiiU is still the most likely nextgen console purchase for me. It may not sell a lot, but it looks fun.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: 90snostalga on April 22, 2014, 11:18:04 pm
I just spent a good amount of time reading this post. Very interesting.
The only thing I will say is that I do not like the Xbox One but I will not be so negative on every post about all the down falls of it. I'm sure its like everything. There is a good and a bad to the system.
Me personally, I have enjoyed my Wii U for the most part especially the game "Zombie U". In my opinion, it's a fantastic game! and I am looking forward to Mario Kart 8 that I have on pre-order. :D
With everything I've said, the WiiU is still the most likely nextgen console purchase for me. It may not sell a lot, but it looks fun.
It is man. It's hard for me to imagine the Sega Guru getting into the land of the Nintendo wii u tho' ;) lol. But you will enjoy it. And who knows?! We may get our Shenmue 3 for the Wii U!!!! Okay I'll drop the Shenmue thought lol :)
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 22, 2014, 11:46:15 pm
I just spent a good amount of time reading this post. Very interesting.
The only thing I will say is that I do not like the Xbox One but I will not be so negative on every post about all the down falls of it. I'm sure its like everything. There is a good and a bad to the system.
Me personally, I have enjoyed my Wii U for the most part especially the game "Zombie U". In my opinion, it's a fantastic game! and I am looking forward to Mario Kart 8 that I have on pre-order. :D
With everything I've said, the WiiU is still the most likely nextgen console purchase for me. It may not sell a lot, but it looks fun.
It is man. It's hard for me to imagine the Sega Guru getting into the land of the Nintendo wii u tho' ;) lol. But you will enjoy it. And who knows?! We may get our Shenmue 3 for the Wii U!!!! Okay I'll drop the Shenmue thought lol :)
Why? Sega is like nintendo's rentboy these days, "there working very close" quote according to sega. Just throw money at them like bayonetta 2, and job done. Really wish nintendo would start fighting back against sony, and microsoft instead of this pussy gandhi approach to things as of recent when people are leaving in the dozens to the playstation 4, and they don't even see it, when did they stop wanting to be top dog. I think hiroshi yamauchi was a no bullshit person, and someone who had balls to get the job done for nintendo in my opinion anyways.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: sin2beta on April 22, 2014, 11:55:48 pm
I just spent a good amount of time reading this post. Very interesting.
The only thing I will say is that I do not like the Xbox One but I will not be so negative on every post about all the down falls of it. I'm sure its like everything. There is a good and a bad to the system.
Me personally, I have enjoyed my Wii U for the most part especially the game "Zombie U". In my opinion, it's a fantastic game! and I am looking forward to Mario Kart 8 that I have on pre-order. :D
With everything I've said, the WiiU is still the most likely nextgen console purchase for me. It may not sell a lot, but it looks fun.
It is man. It's hard for me to imagine the Sega Guru getting into the land of the Nintendo wii u tho' ;) lol. But you will enjoy it. And who knows?! We may get our Shenmue 3 for the Wii U!!!! Okay I'll drop the Shenmue thought lol :)
I started off as a Nintendo guy. I wouldn't mind having a sweet NES/SNES/Game Boy/Virtual Boy/Nintendo Power collection. Or pick up a system and a flashcart. I mainly just want to play them. Collecting is separate from playing in my opinion. Helps on space too. I'd actually rather have a complete Nintendo Power set and flashcarts to be honest.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: instantreplay on April 23, 2014, 12:45:57 am
I'd say the biggest problem is that the Wii U lacks games that appeal to hardcore gamers. Sure there are a few good titles but most of the stuff that's out is the same regurgitated crap that Nintendo has been recycling for the past two decades.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: burningdoom on April 23, 2014, 02:00:47 pm
If Nintendo dropped its franchises, and focused on so-called hardcore games like some of you guys are saying, then they wouldn't be Nintendo at all, they would just be another Xbox or PlayStation.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 23, 2014, 03:49:02 pm
If Nintendo dropped its, franchises and focused on so-called hardcore games like some of you guys are saying, then they wouldnt be Nintendo at all, they would just be another Xbox or PlayStation.
Yeah if Nintendo didn't have its franchises on the system, I wouldn't have much of a reason to buy a Nintendo console lol A third party lineup to bolster the system is needed, but it isn't generally what I always want.
Also, you know it isn't very good when the Wii U is underselling even the Gamecube :\ http://wiiudaily.com/2014/04/wii-u-gamecube-sales-compared/
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: burningdoom on April 23, 2014, 04:22:50 pm
Yeah, in addition to would be great. I could just buy a Nintendo system and be done. But I definetly dont want to see Nintendo franchises go.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dashv on April 23, 2014, 11:11:30 pm
If Nintendo dropped its, franchises and focused on so-called hardcore games like some of you guys are saying, then they wouldnt be Nintendo at all, they would just be another Xbox or PlayStation.
Yeah if Nintendo didn't have its franchises on the system, I wouldn't have much of a reason to buy a Nintendo console lol A third party lineup to bolster the system is needed, but it isn't generally what I always want.
Also, you know it isn't very good when the Wii U is underselling even the Gamecube :\ http://wiiudaily.com/2014/04/wii-u-gamecube-sales-compared/
Nintendo's biggest blessing and curse every generation has been the fact that they make their own AAA titles. As a 3rd party developer it's easy to feel like anything you are doing is taking a back seat to them.
For many of the consoles they build they have one or more games specifically in mind from the start. The console is then built around what those games need to become reality. After that the hope is that other 3rd party developers will get inspired and catch the vision. But make no mistake Nintendo is cranking out the console to sell their own games first.
I remember reading a Nintendo Power where Nintendo talked about wanting the SNES console to be powerful enough to let Mario ride a dinosaur. Wii came to be because Nintendo wanted to make Wii Sports.
I think one of the reasons the SNES CD never became a reality was because Nintendo couldn't figure out what to do with it. I could be way wrong but think about it... what epic 1st party launch title did you ever hear announced for the SNES CD?
Now all this said. These are the best games I have played prior to the latest generation that were either only available on a Nintendo console OR were only enjoyable to me because of something specific to their release on the Nintendo console (for example Wii controls).
Super Mario Galaxy - Wii (shaddap haters) Resident Evil 4 - Wii Legend of Zelda the Windwaker - GC Metriod Prime Trilogy - Wii Metriod Prime 1 - GC Metriod Prime 2 - GC Resident Evil 0 - GC Resident Evil 1 - GC Bully - Wii Madden 09 - Wii Punch Out - Wii Tiger Woods 12 - Wii Every Trauma Center made - Wii Raving Rabbids - Wii
I bought Metriod Prime 1 and 2 for GameCube and 3 for the Wii. I liked the Wii controls so much I purchased Metriod Trilogy just so I could replay the first 2 games with Wii controls!
Tiger Woods 12 (the best version released for the Wii). Never had interest in golf games until I played TW on the Wii. Madden 09... No interest in football games until I played it on the wii.
Capcom's Resident Evil 5 Gold Edition for PS3 beats Resident Evil 4 Wii as my favorite Resident Evil game of all time only because the PS Move control scheme was blatantly ripped off from the Wii edition. It was only after I learned that (and after it was made free to PS Plus Subscribers) that I picked it up. I played the non-move enabled demo and hated the controls so much that I wrote it off in spite of the amazing graphics.
My point being that when Nintendo and 3rd parties both see the potential of the console pretty awesome stuff results. The problem is treading uncharted territory is a risky proposition if all you care about is lining the bank vault in another layer of Benjamins.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dashv on April 23, 2014, 11:19:35 pm
I guess a shorter way to say what I said above would be this.
I have fewer Nintendo games than I do games for any other console.
But I have more Nintendo consoles than any other platform.
A majority of my favorite games are either made by Nintendo or are only available in the form I enjoy most on a Nintendo system.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 24, 2014, 12:14:49 am
If Nintendo dropped its, franchises and focused on so-called hardcore games like some of you guys are saying, then they wouldnt be Nintendo at all, they would just be another Xbox or PlayStation.
Yeah if Nintendo didn't have its franchises on the system, I wouldn't have much of a reason to buy a Nintendo console lol A third party lineup to bolster the system is needed, but it isn't generally what I always want.
Also, you know it isn't very good when the Wii U is underselling even the Gamecube :\ http://wiiudaily.com/2014/04/wii-u-gamecube-sales-compared/
Nintendo's biggest blessing and curse every generation has been the fact that they make their own AAA titles. As a 3rd party developer it's easy to feel like anything you are doing is taking a back seat to them.
For many of the consoles they build they have one or more games specifically in mind from the start. The console is then built around what those games need to become reality. After that the hope is that other 3rd party developers will get inspired and catch the vision. But make no mistake Nintendo is cranking out the console to sell their own games first.
I remember reading a Nintendo Power where Nintendo talked about wanting the SNES console to be powerful enough to let Mario ride a dinosaur. Wii came to be because Nintendo wanted to make Wii Sports.
I think one of the reasons the SNES CD never became a reality was because Nintendo couldn't figure out what to do with it. I could be way wrong but think about it... what epic 1st party launch title did you ever hear announced for the SNES CD?
Now all this said. These are the best games I have played prior to the latest generation that were either only available on a Nintendo console OR were only enjoyable to me because of something specific to their release on the Nintendo console (for example Wii controls).
Super Mario Galaxy - Wii (shaddap haters) Resident Evil 4 - Wii Legend of Zelda the Windwaker - GC Metriod Prime Trilogy - Wii Metriod Prime 1 - GC Metriod Prime 2 - GC Resident Evil 0 - GC Resident Evil 1 - GC Bully - Wii Madden 09 - Wii Punch Out - Wii Tiger Woods 12 - Wii Every Trauma Center made - Wii Raving Rabbids - Wii
I bought Metriod Prime 1 and 2 for GameCube and 3 for the Wii. I liked the Wii controls so much I purchased Metriod Trilogy just so I could replay the first 2 games with Wii controls!
Tiger Woods 12 (the best version released for the Wii). Never had interest in golf games until I played TW on the Wii. Madden 09... No interest in football games until I played it on the wii.
Capcom's Resident Evil 5 Gold Edition for PS3 beats Resident Evil 4 Wii as my favorite Resident Evil game of all time only because the PS Move control scheme was blatantly ripped off from the Wii edition. It was only after I learned that (and after it was made free to PS Plus Subscribers) that I picked it up. I played the non-move enabled demo and hated the controls so much that I wrote it off in spite of the amazing graphics.
My point being that when Nintendo and 3rd parties both see the potential of the console pretty awesome stuff results. The problem is treading uncharted territory is a risky proposition if all you care about is lining the bank vault in another layer of Benjamins.
I don't that was the reason, they dropped the cd add on over royalities. They made the N64DD afterall.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: badATchaos on April 24, 2014, 09:40:56 pm
I a huge fanboy and love the console although there are a few shortcomings.
I've said it before but the Virtual Console selection is pathetic. It seems to me it should have been relatively easy to get the games they had already prepared on the Wii Virtual Console a few years ago because a lot of the leg-work had already been done. Weird that they're only doing NES, SNES and GBA games so far. No N64, no GAMECUBE? Another thing that annoys me is that purchases from 3DS don't rollover to Wii U (presuming the game is on both systems), or vice-versa. At least they were nice enough to allow my old Wii purchases to rollover.
This brings up something else. The way they handle Wii games/content is kinda half@ssed. It almost feels like an emulated system the way you have to boot up the Wii OS. When you pop-in a Wii game you first have to load up the Wii OS theeeeen you can play your game. It takes a while to load too the OS too.
No analog trigger buttons. This has it's roots in court-case they lost over analog button patent. (Which if you look at the patent it's quite bogus. The designs illustrated are not that similar.) This loss is why they stopped making the first Classic Controller and started producing the Classic Pro. If you think about it all silly because Nintendo had analog triggers on the GameCube. -So does the 360 and PS3! But yeah, Analog triggers on Game Pad and Pro controller would have been nice.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 24, 2014, 09:50:53 pm
I a huge fanboy and love the console although there are a few shortcomings.
I've said it before but the Virtual Console selection is pathetic. It seems to me it should have been relatively easy to get the games they had already prepared on the Wii Virtual Console a few years ago because a lot of the leg-work had already been done. Weird that they're only doing NES, SNES and GBA games so far. No N64, no GAMECUBE? Another thing that annoys me is that purchases from 3DS don't rollover to Wii U (presuming the game is on both systems), or vice-versa. At least they were nice enough to allow my old Wii purchases to rollover.
This brings up something else. The way they handle Wii games/content is kinda half@ssed. It almost feels like an emulated system way you have to boot up the Wii OS. When you pop-in a Wii game you first have to load up the Wii OS theeeeen you can play your game. It takes a while to load too the OS too.
No analog trigger buttons. This has it's roots in court-case they lost over analog button patent. (Which if you look at the patent it's quite bogus. The designs illustrated are not that similar.) This loss is why they stopped making the first Classic Controller and started producing the Classic Pro. If you think about it all silly because Nintendo had analog triggers on the GameCube. -So does the 360 and PS3! But yeah, Analog triggers on Game Pad and Pro controller would have been nice.
It's very complicated. And I heard n64 emulation was very poor.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: badATchaos on April 24, 2014, 10:09:48 pm
Not on the Wii. The five or so N64 games I played on the Wii were perfect facsimiles .
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 24, 2014, 10:21:16 pm
Yeah, this thread exists on many forums across the internet. The Wii U, a failure?!? Not really. I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions. The Vita, neither. They both have great potential. Developers could do really cool things with the U pad, and the Vita too, but they're either too lazy or too broke to do them.
I really think the vita is bouncing back the playstation 4 is really helping it.
I kinda wish people stop saying that.... "Vita bouncing back because Playstation 4 is helping" No. >.< THAT IS So UNTRUE.
Reason why PS Vita is bouncing back. have you read/heard about the list of Announced/Released PS Vita games for this year SO FAR... IT AMAZING!!!!. It like if you combined last three years of PS3 JRPG games and released them all IN 1 year.
That why PS Vita is going crazy in number of sales.... in last 4 months they announced over 10+ JRPGs
Remote Control is just a plus for PS Vita. The Real reason more PS Vita just doubled in last couple months is the announcements for releases of alot of japanes games that should had been imported over 1-2 years ago
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dashv on April 27, 2014, 01:08:55 pm
Yeah, this thread exists on many forums across the internet. The Wii U, a failure?!? Not really. I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions. The Vita, neither. They both have great potential. Developers could do really cool things with the U pad, and the Vita too, but they're either too lazy or too broke to do them.
I really think the vita is bouncing back the playstation 4 is really helping it.
I kinda wish people stop saying that.... "Vita bouncing back because Playstation 4 is helping" No. >.< THAT IS So UNTRUE.
Reason why PS Vita is bouncing back. have you read/heard about the list of Announced/Released PS Vita games for this year SO FAR... IT AMAZING!!!!. It like if you combined last three years of PS3 JRPG games and released them all IN 1 year.
That why PS Vita is going crazy in number of sales.... in last 4 months they announced over 10+ JRPGs
Remote Control is just a plus for PS Vita. The Real reason more PS Vita just doubled in last couple months is the announcements for releases of alot of japanes games that should had been imported over 1-2 years ago
It also doesn't hurt that when I buy (or get free from ps plus) a PS3 game they often come with the PSVita version for free.
I currently have 12 vita games and I don't even own the system!
These are good games too (at least on PS3). I've been seriously considering getting a vita just because of the number of games I already have for it.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: lordsofskulls on April 27, 2014, 01:12:16 pm
Yeah, this thread exists on many forums across the internet. The Wii U, a failure?!? Not really. I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions. The Vita, neither. They both have great potential. Developers could do really cool things with the U pad, and the Vita too, but they're either too lazy or too broke to do them.
I really think the vita is bouncing back the playstation 4 is really helping it.
I kinda wish people stop saying that.... "Vita bouncing back because Playstation 4 is helping" No. >.< THAT IS So UNTRUE.
Reason why PS Vita is bouncing back. have you read/heard about the list of Announced/Released PS Vita games for this year SO FAR... IT AMAZING!!!!. It like if you combined last three years of PS3 JRPG games and released them all IN 1 year.
That why PS Vita is going crazy in number of sales.... in last 4 months they announced over 10+ JRPGs
Remote Control is just a plus for PS Vita. The Real reason more PS Vita just doubled in last couple months is the announcements for releases of alot of japanes games that should had been imported over 1-2 years ago
It also doesn't hurt that when I buy (or get free from ps plus) a PS3 game they often come with the PSVita version for free.
I currently have 12 vita games and I don't even own the system!
These are good games too (at least on PS3). I've been seriously considering getting a vita just because of the number of games I already have for it.
Exactly the Playstation + is the best thing ever created. I get free games on PS4/PS3/PS Vita but best part of this as well. Is that i can hold off on buying physical copy for lil bit longer >.> but i buy one eventually, most likely when it at lowest cost possibile.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 27, 2014, 03:26:08 pm
Yeah, this thread exists on many forums across the internet. The Wii U, a failure?!? Not really. I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions. The Vita, neither. They both have great potential. Developers could do really cool things with the U pad, and the Vita too, but they're either too lazy or too broke to do them.
I really think the vita is bouncing back the playstation 4 is really helping it.
I kinda wish people stop saying that.... "Vita bouncing back because Playstation 4 is helping" No. >.< THAT IS So UNTRUE.
Reason why PS Vita is bouncing back. have you read/heard about the list of Announced/Released PS Vita games for this year SO FAR... IT AMAZING!!!!. It like if you combined last three years of PS3 JRPG games and released them all IN 1 year.
That why PS Vita is going crazy in number of sales.... in last 4 months they announced over 10+ JRPGs
Remote Control is just a plus for PS Vita. The Real reason more PS Vita just doubled in last couple months is the announcements for releases of alot of japanes games that should had been imported over 1-2 years ago
Well it was a combined attack for sony. With the remote play, and pack in vita bundle with the ps4. Aswell as the recent push in games for the vita. It's still not even close to the 3ds.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: stuntman64 on April 27, 2014, 10:12:02 pm
By Nintendo's normal standards, yes. Compared to other consoles on a whole, no. It's doing okay, but not great, from what I can tell. It's selling, but not like hotcakes like Nintendo is used to.
It seems to be enough to have Nintendo worried, though. They're looking to branch-out to smart-phone games, from what I've read.
Smart phone games? Ohh god trainwreck, trainwreck.. They should be trying to get more games like bayonetta 2. I heard in the UK it's sales is less than 1% of what the ps4 sold.
Financial failure? Probably. Unless something drastic happens, it's a flop.
Failure as a system? Absolutely not. It's a real fun system. The gamepad is a cool feature that could be put to good use. I love mine. It gets way more playtime than my 360 or PS3.
This post is the best description of the Wii U's "failure". It's a great idea that just never took off.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dashv on April 28, 2014, 05:19:26 pm
I'm sure I'm in the minority. But I am totally burned out with shorter, prettier, newer, online, next gen.
My SNES, NES, and Genesis have seen the most action in the past 6 months. Just beat Ducktales 2 with the boy. Been playing the hell out of Battletoads (nes) and maxed out my mix tapes on Double Dragon NEON (ps3). Wayforward is doing a great job bringing back old favorites. DDN and Ducktales Remastered are excellent.
I continue to have no interest in ps4 or Xbox one. WiiU i am mildly interested in mainly because of NES Remix.
Most newer games are simply too short and too complicated. But maybe I am just getting old.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 28, 2014, 10:26:11 pm
I'm sure I'm in the minority. But I am totally burned out with shorter, prettier, newer, online, next gen.
My SNES, NES, and Genesis have seen the most action in the past 6 months. Just beat Ducktales 2 with the boy. Been playing the hell out of Battletoads (nes) and maxed out my mix tapes on Double Dragon NEON (ps3). Wayforward is doing a great job bringing back old favorites. DDN and Ducktales Remastered are excellent.
I continue to have no interest in ps4 or Xbox one. WiiU i am mildly interested in mainly because of NES Remix.
Most newer games are simply too short and too complicated. But maybe I am just getting old.
No you're not alone. If anyone got to play real retro games then got offered modern. I think 90% would take the retro. The fun factor is superior because the ethics of those days were different, and focused on what mattered the games.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on April 28, 2014, 11:26:07 pm
I'm more modern leaning myself. A lot of my favorite games these days simply don't exist on retro systems, things like Metro, STALKER, Fallout (Lots of Post Apocalyptic lol), so for me, there's plenty to enjoy with modern, but there's of course good retro stuff. For me, it's probably 75% Modern/25% Retro in terms of playing.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: blipcs76 on April 29, 2014, 10:04:27 am
I'm sure I'm in the minority. But I am totally burned out with shorter, prettier, newer, online, next gen.
My SNES, NES, and Genesis have seen the most action in the past 6 months. Just beat Ducktales 2 with the boy. Been playing the hell out of Battletoads (nes) and maxed out my mix tapes on Double Dragon NEON (ps3). Wayforward is doing a great job bringing back old favorites. DDN and Ducktales Remastered are excellent.
I continue to have no interest in ps4 or Xbox one. WiiU i am mildly interested in mainly because of NES Remix.
Most newer games are simply too short and too complicated. But maybe I am just getting old.
Wii U doesn't get the same type of games the other consoles get; Nintendo still focuses on simplicity and fun over online multiplayer and 'mature' games. Super Mario 3D World is amazing. It's got several fun challenging 2D sidescrollers like Rayman Origins, New Super Mario Bros U/Luigi U, and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze (not including the stuff on the eShop, which has a lot of retro-style games like Mighty Switch Force 2, Giana Sisters and the upcoming Shovel Knight.)
The system is probably not going to have a huge and robust library like the PS/XB systems will, but what they will have is wonderful first party games that make the system worth owning. I couldn't imagine going through a console generation and not being able to play Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Smash Bros, etc.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: argyle on April 30, 2014, 12:28:01 pm
I'm sure I'm in the minority. But I am totally burned out with shorter, prettier, newer, online, next gen.
My SNES, NES, and Genesis have seen the most action in the past 6 months. Just beat Ducktales 2 with the boy. Been playing the hell out of Battletoads (nes) and maxed out my mix tapes on Double Dragon NEON (ps3). Wayforward is doing a great job bringing back old favorites. DDN and Ducktales Remastered are excellent.
I continue to have no interest in ps4 or Xbox one. WiiU i am mildly interested in mainly because of NES Remix.
Most newer games are simply too short and too complicated. But maybe I am just getting old.
No you're not alone. If anyone got to play real retro games then got offered modern. I think 90% would take the retro. The fun factor is superior because the ethics of those days were different, and focused on what mattered the games.
I know some people prefer retro games, but saying 90% would is stretching it quite a bit I think. Personally, I grew up on those systems you mentioned and the entire time I was dreaming about what they would one day be able to do. That day is now, they can do pretty much everything I imagined a quite a bit I never even thought of. The thought of spending any significant amount of my gaming time playing old NES games is just unthinkable to me.
I'm not saying there aren't some great older games - Super Metroid and LttP are two of my all-time favorites. But to me, the old games that stand the test of time are few & far between.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 30, 2014, 10:26:58 pm
I'm sure I'm in the minority. But I am totally burned out with shorter, prettier, newer, online, next gen.
My SNES, NES, and Genesis have seen the most action in the past 6 months. Just beat Ducktales 2 with the boy. Been playing the hell out of Battletoads (nes) and maxed out my mix tapes on Double Dragon NEON (ps3). Wayforward is doing a great job bringing back old favorites. DDN and Ducktales Remastered are excellent.
I continue to have no interest in ps4 or Xbox one. WiiU i am mildly interested in mainly because of NES Remix.
Most newer games are simply too short and too complicated. But maybe I am just getting old.
No you're not alone. If anyone got to play real retro games then got offered modern. I think 90% would take the retro. The fun factor is superior because the ethics of those days were different, and focused on what mattered the games.
I know some people prefer retro games, but saying 90% would is stretching it quite a bit I think. Personally, I grew up on those systems you mentioned and the entire time I was dreaming about what they would one day be able to do. That day is now, they can do pretty much everything I imagined a quite a bit I never even thought of. The thought of spending any significant amount of my gaming time playing old NES games is just unthinkable to me.
I'm not saying there aren't some great older games - Super Metroid and LttP are two of my all-time favorites. But to me, the old games that stand the test of time are few & far between.
Maybe your just playing the wrong ones lol. But no serious I guess you're right there's certain amount of prejudice towards old school games in the younger folk. Shame when they sit and play there call of duty they will never have an idea of what they missed out on.
Well see that's my problem I don't see I don't see the point in hoarding games that I would never play, NES games just aged terribly, and I can say this because I never grew up with one so I have no bias. And I played some master system games that I had never played before, and I found it very fun to play still. So i'm going to say the problem is unique to NES, and atari games. From the people i've spoken to who owned an atari back then they didn't even play those games for long anyway. Try out some pc engine games, and see if you find them fun on a emulator that console is what people should be talking about today not the overhyped NES. Market success isn't everything.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on April 30, 2014, 10:46:08 pm
I'm more modern leaning myself. A lot of my favorite games these days simply don't exist on retro systems, things like Metro, STALKER, Fallout (Lots of Post Apocalyptic lol), so for me, there's plenty to enjoy with modern, but there's of course good retro stuff. For me, it's probably 75% Modern/25% Retro in terms of playing.
I suppose there's a few exceptions. But a video game hasn't truly impressed me in atleast 4 years. Back in the 90s a no name developer could release a game, and make profit without even getting the loyalities. Now most can't even afford to advertise there game let alone turn a profit. So what you get are a few big players left who have monoplised things for the most part selling the same crap what sells, not what drives creativity, and original video games. But there's a few still around that get through the cracks still.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on May 01, 2014, 02:22:18 am
I'm more modern leaning myself. A lot of my favorite games these days simply don't exist on retro systems, things like Metro, STALKER, Fallout (Lots of Post Apocalyptic lol), so for me, there's plenty to enjoy with modern, but there's of course good retro stuff. For me, it's probably 75% Modern/25% Retro in terms of playing.
I suppose there's a few exceptions. But a video game hasn't truly impressed me in atleast 4 years. Back in the 90s a no name developer could release a game, and make profit without even getting the loyalities. Now most can't even afford to advertise there game let alone turn a profit. So what you get are a few big players left who have monoplised things for the most part selling the same crap what sells, not what drives creativity, and original video games. But there's a few still around that get through the cracks still.
It wasn't really any different back then either. Tons of bad sequels, tons of sequels that really didn't add a lot more to the original game, shitty, shitty, games made by developers who don't know any better, games just being made to see what would stick, there was A LOT of that back then. Nowadays it's just done at different budget levels with larger gaps between the big guys and small guys. I'm regularly finding amazing games every year or at least every other year. Some genres are doing better than others for sure, but I feel there's plenty of good in the modern market. It just needs to hurry up and sort out all the sketchy stuff that's cropped up in the past few years involving microtransactions, free to play, and rushed development times.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: argyle on May 01, 2014, 10:02:28 am
I'm more modern leaning myself. A lot of my favorite games these days simply don't exist on retro systems, things like Metro, STALKER, Fallout (Lots of Post Apocalyptic lol), so for me, there's plenty to enjoy with modern, but there's of course good retro stuff. For me, it's probably 75% Modern/25% Retro in terms of playing.
I suppose there's a few exceptions. But a video game hasn't truly impressed me in atleast 4 years. Back in the 90s a no name developer could release a game, and make profit without even getting the loyalities. Now most can't even afford to advertise there game let alone turn a profit. So what you get are a few big players left who have monoplised things for the most part selling the same crap what sells, not what drives creativity, and original video games. But there's a few still around that get through the cracks still.
It wasn't really any different back then either. Tons of bad sequels, tons of sequels that really didn't add a lot more to the original game, shitty, shitty, games made by developers who don't know any better, games just being made to see what would stick, there was A LOT of that back then. Nowadays it's just done at different budget levels with larger gaps between the big guys and small guys. I'm regularly finding amazing games every year or at least every other year. Some genres are doing better than others for sure, but I feel there's plenty of good in the modern market. It just needs to hurry up and sort out all the sketchy stuff that's cropped up in the past few years involving microtransactions, free to play, and rushed development times.
Exactly. People look on past generations with rose-colored glasses and forget all the bad stuff. This is even easier for younger generations that weren't around when these systems were big - I clearly remember rental store shelves being full of commercialized shovelware based on every mascot imaginable - the 7-Up Spot, Crash Test Dummies, the Noid - you name it. Every corporation had to have a game based on their brand/movie/whatever, and quality was not high on their list of priorities.
It's also easier to look at the horrible games and think "well everyone knows Deadly Towers and Dr. Jeckyl & Mr. Hyde suck" and not realize that when we were kids no one DID know that until they bought (for $50....) or rented them. I'd say the bad games of those generations are worse than the majority of the bad games on systems today - at least bad games today typically work, back then that wasn't even a guarantee. And no, this isn't a Nintendo vs Sega or whatever thing, it was the same across the board.
THEN you had the shoddy arcade ports that we settled for because that was the best you could get at the time. I bought my SNES for Street Fighter II - I had been a big C64 / Amiga gamer for a while, not owning a console since I sold my NES to buy my C64, and that game is what brought me back. And it was fun, but still a far cry from the arcade. Having an arcade perfect port at home was unheard of back then, and it was something I remember my friends and I constantly talking about in a "wouldn't that be AWESOME" kind of way. When I first played Soul Calibur on the DC then went & played the arcade version I was floored - the home version was vastly superior to the arcade. We had arrived.
So yeah, it's not that I haven't played the right games. I played anything I could get my hands on as a kid because my options were limited. It's more the fact that I've already lived through all of that and I don't have any desire to go back. Like kamikazekeeg said, a lot of my favorite games today were not even remotely possible on old systems. I remember being frustrated with point & click adventure games, because I couldn't pick up whatever I wanted and get by the situations however I imagined. Now we have the Elder Scrolls & Fallout games where you can pick up anything that isn't nailed down and think up creative solutions to problems. And it's only getting better.
If you haven't been impressed by a new game in the past 4 years, I'd say YOU were playing the wrong games. :) But I still think it's mostly a matter of not being able to truly appreciate what we have now if you didn't live through what it was like then.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: soera on May 01, 2014, 03:18:02 pm
If you haven't been impressed by a new game in the past 4 years, I'd say YOU were playing the wrong games. :)
This I wholeheartedly agree with. So many people are stuck in the past and cant see past the nostalgia of the NES or the Genesis or whatever to realize that some of the stuff now is vastly superior to anything even a few years older. And no, its not just graphics. Options and game play are top notch on some of these titles too as well as the visuals.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: burningdoom on May 01, 2014, 03:50:55 pm
If you haven't been impressed by a new game in the past 4 years, I'd say YOU were playing the wrong games. :)
This I wholeheartedly agree with. So many people are stuck in the past and cant see past the nostalgia of the NES or the Genesis or whatever to realize that some of the stuff now is vastly superior to anything even a few years older. And no, its not just graphics. Options and game play are top notch on some of these titles too as well as the visuals.
This is true. But for every A game, there's 20 B-squad games that come out. However that's been the case since the NES days.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on May 01, 2014, 10:21:07 pm
I'm more modern leaning myself. A lot of my favorite games these days simply don't exist on retro systems, things like Metro, STALKER, Fallout (Lots of Post Apocalyptic lol), so for me, there's plenty to enjoy with modern, but there's of course good retro stuff. For me, it's probably 75% Modern/25% Retro in terms of playing.
I suppose there's a few exceptions. But a video game hasn't truly impressed me in atleast 4 years. Back in the 90s a no name developer could release a game, and make profit without even getting the loyalities. Now most can't even afford to advertise there game let alone turn a profit. So what you get are a few big players left who have monoplised things for the most part selling the same crap what sells, not what drives creativity, and original video games. But there's a few still around that get through the cracks still.
It wasn't really any different back then either. Tons of bad sequels, tons of sequels that really didn't add a lot more to the original game, shitty, shitty, games made by developers who don't know any better, games just being made to see what would stick, there was A LOT of that back then. Nowadays it's just done at different budget levels with larger gaps between the big guys and small guys. I'm regularly finding amazing games every year or at least every other year. Some genres are doing better than others for sure, but I feel there's plenty of good in the modern market. It just needs to hurry up and sort out all the sketchy stuff that's cropped up in the past few years involving microtransactions, free to play, and rushed development times.
Exactly. People look on past generations with rose-colored glasses and forget all the bad stuff. This is even easier for younger generations that weren't around when these systems were big - I clearly remember rental store shelves being full of commercialized shovelware based on every mascot imaginable - the 7-Up Spot, Crash Test Dummies, the Noid - you name it. Every corporation had to have a game based on their brand/movie/whatever, and quality was not high on their list of priorities.
It's also easier to look at the horrible games and think "well everyone knows Deadly Towers and Dr. Jeckyl & Mr. Hyde suck" and not realize that when we were kids no one DID know that until they bought (for $50....) or rented them. I'd say the bad games of those generations are worse than the majority of the bad games on systems today - at least bad games today typically work, back then that wasn't even a guarantee. And no, this isn't a Nintendo vs Sega or whatever thing, it was the same across the board.
THEN you had the shoddy arcade ports that we settled for because that was the best you could get at the time. I bought my SNES for Street Fighter II - I had been a big C64 / Amiga gamer for a while, not owning a console since I sold my NES to buy my C64, and that game is what brought me back. And it was fun, but still a far cry from the arcade. Having an arcade perfect port at home was unheard of back then, and it was something I remember my friends and I constantly talking about in a "wouldn't that be AWESOME" kind of way. When I first played Soul Calibur on the DC then went & played the arcade version I was floored - the home version was vastly superior to the arcade. We had arrived.
So yeah, it's not that I haven't played the right games. I played anything I could get my hands on as a kid because my options were limited. It's more the fact that I've already lived through all of that and I don't have any desire to go back. Like kamikazekeeg said, a lot of my favorite games today were not even remotely possible on old systems. I remember being frustrated with point & click adventure games, because I couldn't pick up whatever I wanted and get by the situations however I imagined. Now we have the Elder Scrolls & Fallout games where you can pick up anything that isn't nailed down and think up creative solutions to problems. And it's only getting better.
If you haven't been impressed by a new game in the past 4 years, I'd say YOU were playing the wrong games. :) But I still think it's mostly a matter of not being able to truly appreciate what we have now if you didn't live through what it was like then.
Well yes we have came along way from banging coconuts together. Great games never turn bad however, or they weren't that great to begin with, tiring of a game is not the same thing, and yes the NES, and genesis were notorious for the shovelware. But nice 2d graphics couldn't hide poor gameplay. Why don't you check out the big guns E3 1995 game offerings, and you might see why we call it the golden 90s, and then check E3 2013 you will see the hotest new video games like the best tv shows you can watch with your xbox, or banging wii drums in a band if you ever dreamed that. A whole lot of power yes but not a whole lot used. The last game to impress me was skyrim so can you tell me what console games impressed you with there revolutionary video games on the xbox one, and ps4 exactly? Because I like the idea of a simple console like the N64 to play video games on nothing else nothing less i'm not interested in tv, or social media, or swinging a wii mote. Perhaps most of you here got married had kids, and stopped caring about video games were all about. So a sports box, and collecting but not playing old shovelware suits just fine.
What games exactly would you say were revolutionary, creative, and innovative excluding elder scrolls, fallout, batman, last of us more than the late 90s, and early 00s video games like half life, halo, resident evil 2, golden eye 007, DOOM, starcraft, ocarina of time, silent hill, sonic, final fantasy 7, chrono trigger etc.. In fact can you even name 1 in the last 5 years?
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on May 01, 2014, 10:32:47 pm
Well yes we have came along way from banging coconuts together. Great games never turn bad however, or they weren't that great to begin with, tiring of a game is not the same thing, and yes the NES, and genesis were notorious for the shovelware. But nice 2d graphics couldn't hide poor gameplay. Why don't you check out the big guns E3 1995 game offerings, and you might see why we call it the golden 90s, and then check E3 2013 you will see the hotest new video games like the best tv shows you can watch with your xbox, or banging wii drums in a band if you ever dreamed that. A whole lot of power yes but not a whole lot used. The last game to impress me was skyrim so can you tell me what console games impressed you with there revolutionary video games on the xbox one, and ps4 exactly? What games exactly would you say were revolutionary, creative, and innovative excluding elder scrolls, fallout, batman, last of us more than the late 90s, and early 00s video games like half life, halo, resident evil 2, golden eye 007, DOOM, starcraft, ocarina of time, silent hill, sonic, final fantasy 7, chrono trigger etc.. In fact can you even name 1 in the last 5 years?
Those systems just launched lol They aren't going to have their magnum opus already.
Also why exclude those games? Those are good examples of great games lol You have games right there that are fantastic modern games. If I had to go with more...Games like STALKER and Metro 2033/Last Light brought about some fantastic atmospheric experiences that rely more on the setting than trying to bring about new gameplay experiences...probably not revolutionary or anything, but they standout from the usual shooter crowd for sure. Off the top of my head, not sure what else I would put, I don't play everything, so I can't say for sure, but I've seen a number of games that do a lot of great stuff. Sure, they might not all be revolutionary, but those games come from a time where we didn't already have the same experiences and were new, but that doesn't automatically make what comes today as bad or boring because it isn't constantly breaking new ground. The technology has leveled off a lot more since those days so there isn't such massive leaps and changes.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on May 01, 2014, 10:40:11 pm
Well yes we have came along way from banging coconuts together. Great games never turn bad however, or they weren't that great to begin with, tiring of a game is not the same thing, and yes the NES, and genesis were notorious for the shovelware. But nice 2d graphics couldn't hide poor gameplay. Why don't you check out the big guns E3 1995 game offerings, and you might see why we call it the golden 90s, and then check E3 2013 you will see the hotest new video games like the best tv shows you can watch with your xbox, or banging wii drums in a band if you ever dreamed that. A whole lot of power yes but not a whole lot used. The last game to impress me was skyrim so can you tell me what console games impressed you with there revolutionary video games on the xbox one, and ps4 exactly?
Those systems just launched lol They aren't going to have their magnum opus already.
Perhaps.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on May 01, 2014, 10:44:05 pm
Had to edit because you edited after I posted lol
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on May 01, 2014, 10:52:41 pm
Well yes we have came along way from banging coconuts together. Great games never turn bad however, or they weren't that great to begin with, tiring of a game is not the same thing, and yes the NES, and genesis were notorious for the shovelware. But nice 2d graphics couldn't hide poor gameplay. Why don't you check out the big guns E3 1995 game offerings, and you might see why we call it the golden 90s, and then check E3 2013 you will see the hotest new video games like the best tv shows you can watch with your xbox, or banging wii drums in a band if you ever dreamed that. A whole lot of power yes but not a whole lot used. The last game to impress me was skyrim so can you tell me what console games impressed you with there revolutionary video games on the xbox one, and ps4 exactly? What games exactly would you say were revolutionary, creative, and innovative excluding elder scrolls, fallout, batman, last of us more than the late 90s, and early 00s video games like half life, halo, resident evil 2, golden eye 007, DOOM, starcraft, ocarina of time, silent hill, sonic, final fantasy 7, chrono trigger etc.. In fact can you even name 1 in the last 5 years?
Those systems just launched lol They aren't going to have their magnum opus already.
Also why exclude those games? Those are good examples of great games lol You have games right there that are fantastic modern games. If I had to go with more...Games like STALKER and Metro 2033/Last Light brought about some fantastic atmospheric experiences that rely more on the setting than trying to bring about new gameplay experiences...probably not revolutionary or anything, but they standout from the usual shooter crowd for sure. Off the top of my head, not sure what else I would put, I don't play everything, so I can't say for sure, but I've seen a number of games that do a lot of great stuff. Sure, they might not all be revolutionary, but those games come from a time where we didn't already have the same experiences and were new, but that doesn't automatically make what comes today as bad or boring because it isn't constantly breaking new ground. The technology has leveled off a lot more since those days so there isn't such massive leaps and changes.
Oh boy more FPS where do I sign up? Stalker is like almost 8 years old now anyway, and it's pc exclusive. Leveled off is the problem it's hit the wall.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on May 01, 2014, 11:20:09 pm
Oh boy more FPS where do I sign up? Stalker is like almost 8 years old now anyway, and it's pc exclusive. Leveled off is the problem it's hit the wall.
That is true, man, I forgot STALKER came out in like 2007 lol What you brought up though are still great examples of good modern games though, so not sure why you are excluding them.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: argyle on May 01, 2014, 11:38:30 pm
We're having 2 different conversations here, so I'm just about to call it on this thread. It's WAY off topic now anyway (on-topic, I want a Wii U but Nintendo needs to lower the price, not find ways to *raise* it ;) ). My point in its entirety is that I already lived through the era you're talking about & just don't want to revisit it. I don't think that called for smart remarks about dreaming about playing drums on the Wii, did it? :-\
Any game I name you'll probably find a reason to discount, but I'll list some anyway:
Xenoblade Ni no Kuni Ghost Trick Rayman: Origins Asura's Wrath Dead Space 2 Portal / Portal 2 Alan Wake Red Dead Redemption Enslaved: Journey to the West
...just to name a few.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on May 02, 2014, 12:03:15 am
We're having 2 different conversations here, so I'm just about to call it on this thread. It's WAY off topic now anyway (on-topic, I want a Wii U but Nintendo needs to lower the price, not find ways to *raise* it ;) ). My point in its entirety is that I already lived through the era you're talking about & just don't want to revisit it. I don't think that called for smart remarks about dreaming about playing drums on the Wii, did it? :-\
Any game I name you'll probably find a reason to discount, but I'll list some anyway:
Xenoblade Ni no Kuni Ghost Trick Rayman: Origins Asura's Wrath Dead Space 2 Portal / Portal 2 Alan Wake Red Dead Redemption Enslaved: Journey to the West
...just to name a few.
Well I didn't say you played in a wii drum band, not that there's anything wrong with that. I was quoting the E3 performance lol. Please don't take it personal. :) Xenoblade fair play Ni no Kuni it's nice to have but it's really nothing original or unique for jrpgs dragon quest wave maybe. Ghost trick unique but niche as hell no one has even played it, let alone heard of it Dead Space 2 alright but again not that unique it rides off enemy zero, and system shock 2 Alan wake silent hill much? Red dead just gta in the wild west I was never saw the appeal Enslaved: Journey to the West good but commercial failure good luck seeing a franchise out of it our good ole friends at activision, and the wise game community were to busy buying the latest cod to even google the game. So that's ashame.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: tpugmire on May 02, 2014, 09:36:44 am
I'm hoping that Mario Kart U will be as big of a hit as Mario Kart Wii. It was arguably the Wii's killer app, and it's the game that convinced me to get a Wii. I'm not sure if it will be enough to move consoles this time around, but throwing in a free game for anyone who buys a copy can't hurt.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: disgaeniac on May 02, 2014, 09:58:39 am
If you haven't been impressed by a new game in the past 4 years, I'd say YOU were playing the wrong games. :)
This I wholeheartedly agree with. So many people are stuck in the past and cant see past the nostalgia of the NES or the Genesis or whatever to realize that some of the stuff now is vastly superior to anything even a few years older. And no, its not just graphics. Options and game play are top notch on some of these titles too as well as the visuals.
Once again I find myself, Brad, & Greg in the same 'club' ;D
S'up fellas?!
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: soera on May 02, 2014, 10:08:52 am
If you haven't been impressed by a new game in the past 4 years, I'd say YOU were playing the wrong games. :)
This I wholeheartedly agree with. So many people are stuck in the past and cant see past the nostalgia of the NES or the Genesis or whatever to realize that some of the stuff now is vastly superior to anything even a few years older. And no, its not just graphics. Options and game play are top notch on some of these titles too as well as the visuals.
Once again I find myself, Brad, & Greg in the same 'club' ;D
S'up fellas?!
I think we need to start having club meetings. Next month at my house? :D
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: argyle on May 02, 2014, 10:41:10 am
If you haven't been impressed by a new game in the past 4 years, I'd say YOU were playing the wrong games. :)
This I wholeheartedly agree with. So many people are stuck in the past and cant see past the nostalgia of the NES or the Genesis or whatever to realize that some of the stuff now is vastly superior to anything even a few years older. And no, its not just graphics. Options and game play are top notch on some of these titles too as well as the visuals.
Once again I find myself, Brad, & Greg in the same 'club' ;D
S'up fellas?!
I think we need to start having club meetings. Next month at my house? :D
I'll bring the chips & dip! ;D
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: disgaeniac on May 02, 2014, 01:56:20 pm
If you haven't been impressed by a new game in the past 4 years, I'd say YOU were playing the wrong games. :)
This I wholeheartedly agree with. So many people are stuck in the past and cant see past the nostalgia of the NES or the Genesis or whatever to realize that some of the stuff now is vastly superior to anything even a few years older. And no, its not just graphics. Options and game play are top notch on some of these titles too as well as the visuals.
Once again I find myself, Brad, & Greg in the same 'club' ;D
S'up fellas?!
I think we need to start having club meetings. Next month at my house? :D
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: soera on May 02, 2014, 02:24:10 pm
I can do that. :) Seeing as how the last time I got drunk (about 3 years ago) resulted in me getting a black eye from a push pin (long damned story) Ive given up drinking again.
Im not kidding about having some sort of meeting though! We need to get this going. :D
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: bobster on May 02, 2014, 03:50:43 pm
Karyann was the newest member of your group correct? You need to get her to the meeting too!
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: disgaeniac on May 02, 2014, 04:01:30 pm
Karyann was the newest member of your group correct? You need to get her to the meeting too!
You're All...
...Just about all of you here are welcome to participate in & join in any "club" functions/get-togethers! 8)
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: scott on May 02, 2014, 04:36:06 pm
I was really hoping to make it to Darko's Super! Bitcon this year and meet up with a few of the OK folks. Maybe next year. :\
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: argyle on May 02, 2014, 06:12:04 pm
Yeah Scott that sounded like a blast, but it was a bit far for me on such short notice (short notice being when I first heard about it, since I'm still new-ish ;) ).
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dashv on May 02, 2014, 08:04:26 pm
If you haven't been impressed by a new game in the past 4 years, I'd say YOU were playing the wrong games. :) But I still think it's mostly a matter of not being able to truly appreciate what we have now if you didn't live through what it was like then.
I would agree with this. I've been impressed for different by a number of next-gen games. Resident Evil 5, Infamous 1 & 2, the PS3 Ratchet and Clank installments, Burnout Paradise, Need for Speed Most Wanted, Double Dragon Neon, and Scott Pilgrim vs the World. That's just off the top of my head.
My only frustration is the Ratchet and Clank games got old pretty quickly as each version was not much different than the previous. Just better graphics and sound. Vs. Something like Super Mario Bro's for NES where Nintendo literally rewrote the entire formula every single time. Risky as hell for sales but every one managed to be a winner. The current gen is all about repeat what just worked with higher-res textures and more video cutscenes.
As much as I enjoyed Ducktales Remastered for PS3 and Punch Out for the Wii. I blew through Punch out in 10 minutes (beat the whole game). Beat Ducktales Remastered on hard in 4 hours. They looked amazing and played great. but they were just visual upgrades so once I beat them I was done.
I enjoyed a lot more games like the Resident Evil remake for the Gamecube. Fantastic graphics and sound. Similar enough to the original that it felt familiar. All the same "holy sh!t" moments from the original were there. But the game itself was tweaked and expanded so much that I played the hell out of it for months and found all new "holy sh!t" moments that were never in the original.
I'm really about the gameplay experience and how much enjoyment there is to be had for the money.
I think I lean towards retro now because the hardware and software is so well known, cloned, emulated, and hackable at this point that the gameplay experience and enjoyment has expanded for the older games far more than the current and next-gen counterparts which are still locked down and held hostage.
There is no Super Mario Bros. ZIGPOK (game genie code) this generation. There is no Metriod Prime editor (yet) like there is for Super Metriod.
This is no fan translations for the latest J-RPGs. There is no playing Infamous on your PSP. Or Crysis on your GP32.
I'm sure those days are coming. I think once current-gen becomes open and retro I will enjoy and appreciate it a lot more.
Also, Dr. Jekyll is one of the most misunderstood and underated games ever released for the NES. I blame a hacked up and censored US release combined with 2 reviews released by the Angry Video Game Nerd. He's awesome and I love his reviews. But he is dead wrong about this game. I plan to release my own review soon where I explain what the game is really about and why I think it's actually pretty damn brilliant and provocative for it's time.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on May 03, 2014, 05:50:12 am
If you haven't been impressed by a new game in the past 4 years, I'd say YOU were playing the wrong games. :) But I still think it's mostly a matter of not being able to truly appreciate what we have now if you didn't live through what it was like then.
I would agree with this. I've been impressed for different by a number of next-gen games. Resident Evil 5, Infamous 1 & 2, the PS3 Ratchet and Clank installments, Burnout Paradise, Need for Speed Most Wanted, Double Dragon Neon, and Scott Pilgrim vs the World. That's just off the top of my head.
My only frustration is the Ratchet and Clank games got old pretty quickly as each version was not much different than the previous. Just better graphics and sound. Vs. Something like Super Mario Bro's for NES where Nintendo literally rewrote the entire formula every single time. Risky as hell for sales but every one managed to be a winner. The current gen is all about repeat what just worked with higher-res textures and more video cutscenes.
As much as I enjoyed Ducktales Remastered for PS3 and Punch Out for the Wii. I blew through Punch out in 10 minutes (beat the whole game). Beat Ducktales Remastered on hard in 4 hours. They looked amazing and played great. but they were just visual upgrades so once I beat them I was done.
I enjoyed a lot more games like the Resident Evil remake for the Gamecube. Fantastic graphics and sound. Similar enough to the original that it felt familiar. All the same "holy sh!t" moments from the original were there. But the game itself was tweaked and expanded so much that I played the hell out of it for months and found all new "holy sh!t" moments that were never in the original.
I'm really about the gameplay experience and how much enjoyment there is to be had for the money.
I think I lean towards retro now because the hardware and software is so well known, cloned, emulated, and hackable at this point that the gameplay experience and enjoyment has expanded for the older games far more than the current and next-gen counterparts which are still locked down and held hostage.
There is no Super Mario Bros. ZIGPOK (game genie code) this generation. There is no Metriod Prime editor (yet) like there is for Super Metriod.
This is no fan translations for the latest J-RPGs. There is no playing Infamous on your PSP. Or Crysis on your GP32.
I'm sure those days are coming. I think once current-gen becomes open and retro I will enjoy and appreciate it a lot more.
Also, Dr. Jekyll is one of the most misunderstood and underated games ever released for the NES. I blame a hacked up and censored US release combined with 2 reviews released by the Angry Video Game Nerd. He's awesome and I love his reviews. But he is dead wrong about this game. I plan to release my own review soon where I explain what the game is really about and why I think it's actually pretty damn brilliant and provocative for it's time.
No offense dude but those games are getting old in age now. I think alot of people were disappointed with resident evil 5 also.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: scott on May 03, 2014, 09:07:21 am
I enjoyed RE5 it wasn't as good as RE4 and didn't feel as much like an RE game. But it was pretty good. Just because it strayed a bit further into 3PS territory doesn't make it absolute garbage.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: disgaeniac on May 03, 2014, 09:59:14 am
Contrarian!
TC is contrarian :o
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: soera on May 03, 2014, 09:59:53 am
No offense dude but those games are getting old in age now. I think alot of people were disappointed with resident evil 5 also.
None taken.
I should clarify that I skipped RE5 when it first came out. I waited for the gold edition with PS move support. It's a much better version of the game and includes lots of bonus content that jack up the replay ability. I didn't bother with RE 6 because the developers in their infinite wisdom decided nobody wanted ps move controls. :-p.
Ever since RE4 for Wii I have only wanted Wii/PS move controls for RE.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on May 03, 2014, 11:27:40 am
No offense dude but those games are getting old in age now. I think alot of people were disappointed with resident evil 5 also.
None taken.
I should clarify that I skipped RE5 when it first came out. I waited for the gold edition with PS move support. It's a much better version of the game and includes lots of bonus content that jack up the replay ability. I didn't bother with RE 6 because the developers in their infinite wisdom decided nobody wanted ps move controls. :-p.
Ever since RE4 for Wii I have only wanted Wii/PS move controls for RE.
I was the opposite, I thought the Wii controls ruined an amazing game lol
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on May 03, 2014, 12:53:30 pm
No offense dude but those games are getting old in age now. I think alot of people were disappointed with resident evil 5 also.
None taken.
I should clarify that I skipped RE5 when it first came out. I waited for the gold edition with PS move support. It's a much better version of the game and includes lots of bonus content that jack up the replay ability. I didn't bother with RE 6 because the developers in their infinite wisdom decided nobody wanted ps move controls. :-p.
Ever since RE4 for Wii I have only wanted Wii/PS move controls for RE.
I thought RE5 was quite good actually it was RE6 that was really bad. I heard with RE7 they want to take it back to it's roots.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on May 03, 2014, 12:54:54 pm
No offense dude but those games are getting old in age now. I think alot of people were disappointed with resident evil 5 also.
None taken.
I should clarify that I skipped RE5 when it first came out. I waited for the gold edition with PS move support. It's a much better version of the game and includes lots of bonus content that jack up the replay ability. I didn't bother with RE 6 because the developers in their infinite wisdom decided nobody wanted ps move controls. :-p.
Ever since RE4 for Wii I have only wanted Wii/PS move controls for RE.
I was the opposite, I thought the Wii controls ruined an amazing game lol
Come on kamikazekeeg get with the times lol.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dashv on May 03, 2014, 01:09:53 pm
I thought RE5 was quite good actually it was RE6 that was really bad. I heard with RE7 they want to take it back to it's roots.
I agree. I played the demo for RE6 and was turned off immediately. The underlit environments made it hard to see what he hell you were doing combined with doom-like run and gun using thumbsticks. As a long time PC gamer I just can't get into thumbstick driven shooters.
RE5 Gold was good because the main game was still very much traps and survival horror. The mercenaries mode satisfied my run n gun shoot some zombies itch. (For me) the PS move controls were quick, intuitive and precise. The split screen and online co-op was also immensely satisfying at times.
My biggest problem with RE 6 was it seemed like they made mercenaries mode (without PS move support) the main game. No thanks.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dashv on May 03, 2014, 01:15:59 pm
I should clarify that I skipped RE5 when it first came out. I waited for the gold edition with PS move support. It's a much better version of the game and includes lots of bonus content that jack up the replay ability. I didn't bother with RE 6 because the developers in their infinite wisdom decided nobody wanted ps move controls. :-p.
Ever since RE4 for Wii I have only wanted Wii/PS move controls for RE.
I was the opposite, I thought the Wii controls ruined an amazing game lol
My Bro-inLaw feels the same way.
I think it's a personal preference thing. I bought RE 4 for the Game Cube and didn't play too far past the first level because of the controls. After purchasing the Wii edition I completed the entire game multiple times including the missionaries mode.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on May 03, 2014, 05:19:03 pm
I should clarify that I skipped RE5 when it first came out. I waited for the gold edition with PS move support. It's a much better version of the game and includes lots of bonus content that jack up the replay ability. I didn't bother with RE 6 because the developers in their infinite wisdom decided nobody wanted ps move controls. :-p.
Ever since RE4 for Wii I have only wanted Wii/PS move controls for RE.
I was the opposite, I thought the Wii controls ruined an amazing game lol
My Bro-inLaw feels the same way.
I think it's a personal preference thing. I bought RE 4 for the Game Cube and didn't play too far past the first level because of the controls. After purchasing the Wii edition I completed the entire game multiple times including the missionaries mode.
Completely the opposite, I played it on the Gamecube at least a half dozen times, 3 or 4 times on the PS2, and I barely played the Wii version lol
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dreama1 on May 03, 2014, 07:19:37 pm
I should clarify that I skipped RE5 when it first came out. I waited for the gold edition with PS move support. It's a much better version of the game and includes lots of bonus content that jack up the replay ability. I didn't bother with RE 6 because the developers in their infinite wisdom decided nobody wanted ps move controls. :-p.
Ever since RE4 for Wii I have only wanted Wii/PS move controls for RE.
I was the opposite, I thought the Wii controls ruined an amazing game lol
My Bro-inLaw feels the same way.
I think it's a personal preference thing. I bought RE 4 for the Game Cube and didn't play too far past the first level because of the controls. After purchasing the Wii edition I completed the entire game multiple times including the missionaries mode.
Completely the opposite, I played it on the Gamecube at least a half dozen times, 3 or 4 times on the PS2, and I barely played the Wii version lol
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: spac316 on May 07, 2014, 06:25:17 pm
Well, sales aren't so hot but I don't see it as a failure. I'm guessing it'll pick up when the bigger titles come out.
I think it's the short sighted devlopers that freaked out and bailed on the system because it wasn't up to their standards sales wise that is contributing to the downtime when they should know that Nintendo's classic franchises would help it stay afloat. I also understand that Nintendo needs to step-up on the marketing presentation of the console better and step out of their comfort zone a bit more.
But there are some good games on the system with more on the way.
Title: Re: The Wii U is a failure?
Post by: dashv on May 12, 2014, 12:58:47 am
I think it's the short sighted devlopers that freaked out and bailed on the system because it wasn't up to their standards sales wise that is contributing to the downtime when they should know that Nintendo's classic franchises would help it stay afloat. I also understand that Nintendo needs to step-up on the marketing presentation of the console better and step out of their comfort zone a bit more.
Yep, it requires them to think outside the box a bit and not just crank out another sequel on the same engines they've already been milking for game after game.
Say what you want about Nintendo but they've got a set of brass ones when it comes to trying new things and taking risks. Most of the major players ignored the wii until it was sold out for months straight. Then suddenly it was a mad dash to shovel stuff out the door as fast as possible.
Among that some good stuff still managed to come out. Some revolutionary and even great stuff. But now that everyone has HD TVs its like nothing was learned from the exercise and they are all back to "I can put better sound and graphics into my game on system X"
Nice graphics are good to have, but diverse, fun, immersive, and original experiences are what I really want as a gamer.