Pac-Man, Tetris, Donkey Kong, more of that early arcade stuff.
Simplicity is the key. The more bells and whistles a game has, the harder age is on it.
You think so? I think games like oblivion, and C&C hold up well. I can't really say most atari games have held up well you kind of had to be there to understand I guess.
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Post by: turf on October 08, 2014, 01:16:13 pm
Pac-Man, Tetris, Donkey Kong, more of that early arcade stuff.
Simplicity is the key. The more bells and whistles a game has, the harder age is on it.
You think so? I think games like oblivion, and C&C hold up well. I can't really say most atari games have held up well you kind of had to be there to understand I guess.
Most of the early stuff doesn't hold up at all, but the ones that are good are still fun today.
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Post by: evilnick on October 08, 2014, 02:09:33 pm
I think what defines how well a game holds up is if the original concept is still fun today. Old Atari tank games have not held up well. Games like Pac-Man or Galaga tend to hold up well. Galaxian feels dated because of it's slow style. Galaga holds up, I think, because the fast and solid gameplay, quick difficulty ascension, and cool secret power-up help it maintain an air of modernness.
Super Mario Bros is pretty well timeless because they nailed the gameplay and control way back on the NES.
Any game that demanded trial-and-error or blind luck over skill and thoughtful playing tends to age poorly. Modern gamers don't have the patience for the kind of crap we often put up with in the 80's.
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Post by: davifus on October 08, 2014, 03:00:52 pm
E.T
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Post by: soera on October 08, 2014, 03:02:07 pm
SMB 3. To this day, its probably still one of the best games made and replayable forever.
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Post by: mrnikon on October 08, 2014, 03:22:45 pm
Berzerk. Still a fun game to play.
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Post by: evilnick on October 08, 2014, 03:48:16 pm
SMB 3. To this day, its probably still one of the best games made and replayable forever.
You nailed it smb will never ever get old. Not now not never.
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Post by: krelyan on October 08, 2014, 05:24:08 pm
For games that were created before I was born, I've really enjoyed going back and playing Pac-Man, Warlords (I think that's what it was called - it was some multiplayer Pong clone), Donkey Kong, Missile Command and Joust. I think all of those hold up incredibly well.
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Post by: dashv on October 08, 2014, 11:24:06 pm
For games that were created before I was born, I've really enjoyed going back and playing Pac-Man, Warlords (I think that's what it was called - it was some multiplayer Pong clone), Donkey Kong, Missile Command and Joust. I think all of those hold up incredibly well.
Warlords is a great game.
Also the only 4 player simultaneous game I am aware of for the Atari 2600.
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Post by: maximo310 on October 08, 2014, 11:35:05 pm
Super Mario World 2 : Yoshi's Island, A Link to the Past, Daytona USA(arcade version), Street Fighter II, Final Fantasy 6 or 7, Chrono Trigger, and Castlevania :Symphony of the Night
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Post by: critter7405 on October 09, 2014, 12:34:30 am
Mario Kart 8)
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Post by: maximo310 on October 09, 2014, 12:41:00 am
For games that were created before I was born, I've really enjoyed going back and playing Pac-Man, Warlords (I think that's what it was called - it was some multiplayer Pong clone), Donkey Kong, Missile Command and Joust. I think all of those hold up incredibly well.
I did not see the comma in Pac-Man, Warlords at first and was wondering what amazing game I was missing out on ha.
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Post by: atarileaf on October 09, 2014, 07:12:02 am
Lots of the 2600 library is still eminently playable today. Games don't have to be "modernish" to hold up well. A good game is a good game from any period. Someone mentioned chess. Sure not a video game but the thread title didn't specify video games so technically an excellent answer to the question.
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Post by: evilnick on October 09, 2014, 09:20:39 am
Lots of the 2600 library is still eminently playable today. Games don't have to be "modernish" to hold up well. A good game is a good game from any period. Someone mentioned chess. Sure not a video game but the thread title didn't specify video games so technically an excellent answer to the question.
I said "modernness."
To an eye looking back, some of these games can feel very modern in setting, style, and set-up. For instance, one of the DnD games on the Intellivision is a first-person dungeon crawler with surprisingly modern elements, all from an era where 3-D movement didn't really exist.
The most important part, I think, is control. If the game controls in a way that a modern gamer will instantly recognize and be able to adapt to, it feels as though it could be a modern game--that's timeless, that "ages" well because, in a large part, it may get older, but it doesn't actually age.
I mentioned Galaga because it still feels fresh and modern--shmups prior to Galaga feel dated and archaic. Space Invaders is slow and clunky. Galaxian is just slow. But Galaga nailed the speed of attacks, the intensity of the gameplay, and the smooth, solid controls.
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Post by: turf on October 09, 2014, 09:32:46 am
Lots of the 2600 library is still eminently playable today. Games don't have to be "modernish" to hold up well. A good game is a good game from any period. Someone mentioned chess. Sure not a video game but the thread title didn't specify video games so technically an excellent answer to the question.
I said "modernness."
To an eye looking back, some of these games can feel very modern in setting, style, and set-up. For instance, one of the DnD games on the Intellivision is a first-person dungeon crawler with surprisingly modern elements, all from an era where 3-D movement didn't really exist.
The most important part, I think, is control. If the game controls in a way that a modern gamer will instantly recognize and be able to adapt to, it feels as though it could be a modern game--that's timeless, that "ages" well because, in a large part, it may get older, but it doesn't actually age.
I mentioned Galaga because it still feels fresh and modern--shmups prior to Galaga feel dated and archaic. Space Invaders is slow and clunky. Galaxian is just slow. But Galaga nailed the speed of attacks, the intensity of the gameplay, and the smooth, solid controls.
I don't think its the modern feel. I just think fun is fun is fun. If you have fun with a game, it's a good game. If a game is amazing because of some technical advancement, the fun may not be there when the shiny new wears off.
That's just my 2 cents. That's why Galaga, Pac-Man, Super Mario Bros. are all still fun.
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Post by: dreama1 on October 09, 2014, 10:52:23 am
Super Mario World 2 : Yoshi's Island, A Link to the Past, Daytona USA(arcade version), Street Fighter II, Final Fantasy 6 or 7, Chrono Trigger, and Castlevania :Symphony of the Night
The baby is annoying dude you put it above super mario world?
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: dreama1 on October 09, 2014, 10:58:14 am
Lots of the 2600 library is still eminently playable today. Games don't have to be "modernish" to hold up well. A good game is a good game from any period. Someone mentioned chess. Sure not a video game but the thread title didn't specify video games so technically an excellent answer to the question.
I didn't say it had to be modernish to hold up I said most atari 2600s games do not hold up today, and I was looking for something more modernish 1985+. Perhaps you're letting your nostalgia cloud your judgement because when people talk retro it's either NES or beyond because atari has aged terribly. I don't often hear anyone who wasn't there during the atari games say "i'm going to crack out the old atari" when they talk retro. Half the reason why atari games are worthless for the most part besides a few exceptions.
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Post by: dreama1 on October 09, 2014, 11:11:23 am
Lots of the 2600 library is still eminently playable today. Games don't have to be "modernish" to hold up well. A good game is a good game from any period. Someone mentioned chess. Sure not a video game but the thread title didn't specify video games so technically an excellent answer to the question.
I said "modernness."
To an eye looking back, some of these games can feel very modern in setting, style, and set-up. For instance, one of the DnD games on the Intellivision is a first-person dungeon crawler with surprisingly modern elements, all from an era where 3-D movement didn't really exist.
The most important part, I think, is control. If the game controls in a way that a modern gamer will instantly recognize and be able to adapt to, it feels as though it could be a modern game--that's timeless, that "ages" well because, in a large part, it may get older, but it doesn't actually age.
I mentioned Galaga because it still feels fresh and modern--shmups prior to Galaga feel dated and archaic. Space Invaders is slow and clunky. Galaxian is just slow. But Galaga nailed the speed of attacks, the intensity of the gameplay, and the smooth, solid controls.
Galaga is even on the atari 2600? Didn't think atari could run it. The NES, or sega version probably crush it anyway; wouldn't even be any reason to play that port.
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Post by: maximo310 on October 09, 2014, 11:14:02 am
Super Mario World 2 : Yoshi's Island, A Link to the Past, Daytona USA(arcade version), Street Fighter II, Final Fantasy 6 or 7, Chrono Trigger, and Castlevania :Symphony of the Night
The baby is annoying dude you put it above super mario world?
The baby noise is not too bad, I think it adds to the game. Beside the slightly minor flaw, everything else in that game is great, and it looks and plays wonderfully as well. So far none of its sequels have even come close to this masterpiece.
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Post by: evilnick on October 09, 2014, 11:45:29 am
Lots of the 2600 library is still eminently playable today. Games don't have to be "modernish" to hold up well. A good game is a good game from any period. Someone mentioned chess. Sure not a video game but the thread title didn't specify video games so technically an excellent answer to the question.
I said "modernness."
To an eye looking back, some of these games can feel very modern in setting, style, and set-up. For instance, one of the DnD games on the Intellivision is a first-person dungeon crawler with surprisingly modern elements, all from an era where 3-D movement didn't really exist.
The most important part, I think, is control. If the game controls in a way that a modern gamer will instantly recognize and be able to adapt to, it feels as though it could be a modern game--that's timeless, that "ages" well because, in a large part, it may get older, but it doesn't actually age.
I mentioned Galaga because it still feels fresh and modern--shmups prior to Galaga feel dated and archaic. Space Invaders is slow and clunky. Galaxian is just slow. But Galaga nailed the speed of attacks, the intensity of the gameplay, and the smooth, solid controls.
I don't think its the modern feel. I just think fun is fun is fun. If you have fun with a game, it's a good game. If a game is amazing because of some technical advancement, the fun may not be there when the shiny new wears off.
That's just my 2 cents. That's why Galaga, Pac-Man, Super Mario Bros. are all still fun.
I say "modern" referring to how game design evolves. Some things are no longer really acceptable--like random deaths, or trial-and-error gaming, or chunky controls. "Modern" game design requires a certain level of smoothness and precision in general game controls, modern game design tends to educate the player without resorting to bad trial-and-error gameplay concepts, and the like.
Granted, there are a lot of modern games that fail at this, and they tend to be viewed thusly.
Galaga's gameplay largely still feels modern, or could work in a new, contemporary game.
Galaga feels like any other modern, well-respected, easily playable shmup. It's play, it's flow, it's control. Essentially, Galaga was the first modern shmup, in my opinion. That's why it still holds up today. Control-wise, having gimmicks, and a weapon upgrade--these things add to it. Granted, weapon upgrades in shmups have grown and changed and the like through the years, so the way Galaga does it's upgrade is archaic, but that it feels like an Easter Egg probably helps it.
I agree that a fun game is still fun, but I'm going into the why of that, because that is extremely interesting to me. It's something I've thought about a lot, analyzed a lot. Why is such-and-such game still so relevant, still so fresh and/or playable, while such-and-such from fifteen years later feels so old and dated?
A great way to see examine this is to compare Galaga to Galaxian. Galaxian has aged horribly, and feels like a bizarre stop-gap between Space Invaders and Galaga, which it is. I could, for example (personally) go from Ikaruga to Galaga, and be able to transition well and find the experience still totally relevant. Going from Ikaruga to Galaxian is not so smooth. It's aged poorly.
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Post by: evilnick on October 09, 2014, 11:54:49 am
Super Mario World 2 : Yoshi's Island, A Link to the Past, Daytona USA(arcade version), Street Fighter II, Final Fantasy 6 or 7, Chrono Trigger, and Castlevania :Symphony of the Night
The baby is annoying dude you put it above super mario world?
The baby noise is not too bad, I think it adds to the game. Beside the slightly minor flaw, everything else in that game is great, and it looks and plays wonderfully as well. So far none of its sequels have even come close to this masterpiece.
I read an article online once about how Yoshi's Island (SMW2) is such a perfect game that it should be used in game design classes.
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Post by: badATchaos on October 09, 2014, 03:01:13 pm
Big Rigs 8)
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Post by: turf on October 09, 2014, 03:08:04 pm
I agree that a fun game is still fun, but I'm going into the why of that, because that is extremely interesting to me. It's something I've thought about a lot, analyzed a lot. Why is such-and-such game still so relevant, still so fresh and/or playable, while such-and-such from fifteen years later feels so old and dated?
That's a good question. If you figure that out, you'll be a rich man.
I don't really think there is a formula for fun. It's a combination of all the pieces of the game meshing with the wants and expectations of the player.
Why do I think Super Mario Bros is fun? I don't know. I just like it.
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Post by: burningdoom on October 09, 2014, 04:09:10 pm
Regarding playing Atari games today:
As a person who infinitely appreciates retro stuff, and as a long time gamer I can confidently say that Atari games DO NOT hold up well if you weren't there at the time. I wasn't there at the time. But I bought an Atari 2600 and a bunch of games because I am interested in the history of video games. But no matter how hard I try to like them, those utterly simplistic games just can't hold my attention for more than like 15-20 minutes at a time.
And it's not a graphics thing, it's a gameplay thing. The gameplay is so simplistic and repetitive, that it gets boring very quickly for me. The sound doesn't help things much, either. Sound isn't a make a break thing on a console, but dang there are some unholy sounds that come out of that machine.
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Post by: dreama1 on October 09, 2014, 04:43:10 pm
I agree that a fun game is still fun, but I'm going into the why of that, because that is extremely interesting to me. It's something I've thought about a lot, analyzed a lot. Why is such-and-such game still so relevant, still so fresh and/or playable, while such-and-such from fifteen years later feels so old and dated?
That's a good question. If you figure that out, you'll be a rich man.
I don't really think there is a formula for fun. It's a combination of all the pieces of the game meshing with the wants and expectations of the player.
Why do I think Super Mario Bros is fun? I don't know. I just like it.
That's like saying I don't know GOD DID IT! But seriously I'm sure I can take a few guesses to why you likrf it; the bright colours, the superb level design, the music, the controls, the personality etc..
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Post by: evilnick on October 09, 2014, 04:57:50 pm
I agree that a fun game is still fun, but I'm going into the why of that, because that is extremely interesting to me. It's something I've thought about a lot, analyzed a lot. Why is such-and-such game still so relevant, still so fresh and/or playable, while such-and-such from fifteen years later feels so old and dated?
That's a good question. If you figure that out, you'll be a rich man.
I don't really think there is a formula for fun. It's a combination of all the pieces of the game meshing with the wants and expectations of the player.
Why do I think Super Mario Bros is fun? I don't know. I just like it.
Ha, for now, I'll be fine with recognized for quality game development. We just need to get this first one to lotcheck and we'll have our solid start. Hopefully.
I shall maintain my stern studying of the "why" and "how" of quality game design versus terrible or lackluster game design. We're at a point in development that our game is solid and we have a ton of variety based around a simple concept, but we've played and tested it so much, I wondered if we can still tell if it's fun. Another guy assured me that the game is indeed fun, we've just stared at it for too long, and hopefully didn't make it too challenging.
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Post by: atarileaf on October 09, 2014, 05:04:56 pm
Perhaps you're letting your nostalgia cloud your judgement because when people talk retro it's either NES or beyond because atari has aged terribly. I don't often hear anyone who wasn't there during the atari games say "i'm going to crack out the old atari" when they talk retro. Half the reason why atari games are worthless for the most part besides a few exceptions.
There's an entire website full of people who would disagree with you - www.atariage.com
If it was nostalgia only I wouldn't still be playing these games. I've said numerous times that nostalgia gets you there but gameplay keeps you there. Arcade games especially from the 70's and 80's are my passion and the 2600 has some excellent ports from that period and the homebrew scene on the system continues to astonish me. In fact the homebrew scene is very large and thriving. Not bad for a console you consider "worthless"
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Post by: turf on October 09, 2014, 05:09:00 pm
I agree that a fun game is still fun, but I'm going into the why of that, because that is extremely interesting to me. It's something I've thought about a lot, analyzed a lot. Why is such-and-such game still so relevant, still so fresh and/or playable, while such-and-such from fifteen years later feels so old and dated?
That's a good question. If you figure that out, you'll be a rich man.
I don't really think there is a formula for fun. It's a combination of all the pieces of the game meshing with the wants and expectations of the player.
Why do I think Super Mario Bros is fun? I don't know. I just like it.
Ha, for now, I'll be fine with recognized for quality game development. We just need to get this first one to lotcheck and we'll have our solid start. Hopefully.
I shall maintain my stern studying of the "why" and "how" of quality game design versus terrible or lackluster game design. We're at a point in development that our game is solid and we have a ton of variety based around a simple concept, but we've played and tested it so much, I wondered if we can still tell if it's fun. Another guy assured me that the game is indeed fun, we've just stared at it for too long, and hopefully didn't make it too challenging.
Good luck to you and your team. What platform is your game going to be on? If you want, tell us about it. Give me the salesman pitch. ;) I'm honestly curious.
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Post by: badATchaos on October 09, 2014, 05:57:07 pm
Yoshi's Island hands-down best game ever.
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Post by: davifus on October 09, 2014, 06:05:09 pm
Superman 64
The Guy Game
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Post by: dreama1 on October 09, 2014, 07:21:57 pm
Perhaps you're letting your nostalgia cloud your judgement because when people talk retro it's either NES or beyond because atari has aged terribly. I don't often hear anyone who wasn't there during the atari games say "i'm going to crack out the old atari" when they talk retro. Half the reason why atari games are worthless for the most part besides a few exceptions.
There's an entire website full of people who would disagree with you - www.atariage.com
If it was nostalgia only I wouldn't still be playing these games. I've said numerous times that nostalgia gets you there but gameplay keeps you there. Arcade games especially from the 70's and 80's are my passion and the 2600 has some excellent ports from that period and the homebrew scene on the system continues to astonish me. In fact the homebrew scene is very large and thriving. Not bad for a console you consider "worthless"
Most of them in there 30s, and 40s demographic most likely who grew up in those short atari years. How many of them actually sit down and play the atari rather than just let it collect dust is questionable. Yes you're right the homebrew scene is reasonablly big but I would hardly say the homebrew scene is for timeless playability rather than a collectors show piece for bragging rights. Seriously how long is someone going to sit down and play halo atari for presuming that don't have epilepsy yet. I'm guessing to make an educated guess not very long, or any atari game outside activisions quality standard, and some of the atari in house games. Why exactly do you think atari crashed and burned? Because the games were terribly repetitive even then and had no lasting appeal as a whole even worse so than the NES relying on nothing but pac man, space invader clones, and brand name to sell. Christ even the atari top CEO at the time a little time towards there demise said quote We could put shit inside a cartridge and it would sell a million copies" If you want my opinion the intellivision held up far better than atari ever had, in just about every way possible except for controls, and they were just getting started.
The argument was which games are timeless and still hold up today not if they have a fan site, or if it had good ports for about 3 months maybe, or had historic significance, or if they had a homebrew scene. Why does it even need a homebrew scene every few months, or even matter if the games were timeless? People wouldn't need to try and remember. It's irrelevant, if it was timeless it wouldn't need life support to try and stay relevant today. It's nothing but a show piece, and people showing there programing skills for a high price. When people will ask for a game to be brought back today on there console I assure you even the wildest answers it won't be an atari game mentioned they killed every last ounce of dignity they had with the atari jaguar, or anything in between for that matter. If they proved anything it's nostalgia doesn't make a good game, and it never will.
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Post by: atarileaf on October 09, 2014, 08:04:54 pm
That was quite a wild ramble but it's meaningless because it's clear you hate the system and games from that era. You see only the bad in the system but none of what made Atari one of the greatest home gaming systems ever. You are correct that the topic is games that are timeless and by your own statement earlier in the thread, when you weren't getting the answers you wanted, when people were giving valid answers like Galaga, Tetris and Breakout, you dismissed those answers and you felt you needed to clarify with the mangled expression of "modernish". It's obvious that you personally don't find those early games timeless or valid today. Again, many people do. Your personal opinion on what is timeless when it comes to video games is irrelevant. You don't speak for everyone, and I doubt you even speak for a majority. Many lists of top games of all times are going to include games from that era whether you like it or agree with it.
The thread was about games that are timeless, not games that are timeless for YOU so please stop acting like a petulant child when you don't get the answers to a thread you created that was ambiguous and completely open to interpretation to being with.
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Post by: pacpix on October 09, 2014, 08:58:50 pm
At the end of the day what makes a game timeless is whether the game is fun or not. I was born a year after the N64 came out, but I still enjoy playing Atari 2600, Odyssey 2, etc. It's unfair to dismiss an entire generation of gaming just because you personally do not enjoy that era. I also found the homebrew comment to be puzzling as the homebrew community is a great example of how strong the Atari fanbase still is today.
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Post by: burningdoom on October 09, 2014, 09:14:45 pm
Just to be clear, I was writing my personal feelings on the 2600, I wasn't saying there's anything wrong with you if you like it.
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Post by: dreama1 on October 09, 2014, 10:14:59 pm
That was quite a wild ramble but it's meaningless because it's clear you hate the system and games from that era. You see only the bad in the system but none of what made Atari one of the greatest home gaming systems ever. You are correct that the topic is games that are timeless and by your own statement earlier in the thread, when you weren't getting the answers you wanted, when people were giving valid answers like Galaga, Tetris and Breakout, you dismissed those answers and you felt you needed to clarify with the mangled expression of "modernish". It's obvious that you personally don't find those early games timeless or valid today. Again, many people do. Your personal opinion on what is timeless when it comes to video games is irrelevant. You don't speak for everyone, and I doubt you even speak for a majority. Many lists of top games of all times are going to include games from that era whether you like it or agree with it.
The thread was about games that are timeless, not games that are timeless for YOU so please stop acting like a petulant child when you don't get the answers to a thread you created that was ambiguous and completely open to interpretation to being with.
No not really there wasn't that much writing there the point was already made in previous comments but it seemed you weren't understanding the reasoning behind it so I thought I would make the point clear for you, and any counter points you would have i'm sure. If we want to get down to the meat of the question. You leave your nostalgia at the door.
Please don't assert things that I never said I never said they were "invalid answers" I said I was looking for something more modernish you know that has moving parts? It's hard to fault a blank canvas. And I never said I hate atari, or games from that era I love atari in there own way please read again "the quality standard of activision and some of the in house atari made games like "warlords, maze craze, pong, frostbite, ice hockery,dodge'em, solar fox, joust, freeway, my favourite kaboom etc.. But as a whole most games were well.. shit they were clones of games like pac man and space invaders for a quick buck this is not an opinion there's plenty of evidence out there supporting this if you bothered to do any research of the quality standard of atari why do you thinkwe had a video game crash? Don't insult me with ad hominems please, go look at this yourself.If anything postive came from it. It's nintendo learn't what not to do with a system, and games. Was only half as bad that generation, and improving.
"not games that are timeless for YOU so please stop acting like a petulant child"
To me lol? I don't believe I ever said I speak for everyone, can you tell me when I said that? Just statistics, and facts. Atari gravitating towards males in there late 30-50s. nostalgia does not always mean a high quality game you seem to be getting clouded by this point why? This was about timeless games.
And no not at all or I wouldn't be asking I believe it was you that wasn't satisfied with the responses you receieved as you got counter points to your claims then you resort to straw man, and ad hominems. The majority of the atari 2600s game library is shovelware, crappy ports, and clones you can accept this fact, or don't if you want just don't insult me. There's plenty books out there on atari I suggest you read them first, then come back, and read back on what you put as it's irrelevant to the discussion.
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Post by: critter7405 on October 09, 2014, 11:25:56 pm
I could see that as being a pretty timeless game. Sure the CPU players can be really cheap, and some of the graphics look pretty blocky because of the mode 7 limitations( even with the DSP-1 chip), but I think it holds up very well in most of its components, especially for being the first kart racer ever! Its such an influential game and great fun with friends!
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Post by: dashv on October 10, 2014, 02:38:09 am
I agree with whoever said E.T.
While it's in my collection, I certainly have no time for that game. :)
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Post by: BarbaricAvatar on October 10, 2014, 06:31:54 am
Total Annihilation (PC) Monkey Island 1-3 (PC) Abe's Oddysee/Exoddus (PS1/PC) Baldur's Gate 2 (PC) Turrican 2 (Amiga) Golden Axe (Amiga)
It's difficult separating nostalgic love from actual excellence but i know i've gone the right way on the above games.
Furthermore there are a lot of earlier-edition games that have received countless sequels which have held up fine on their own despite the newer editions having more bells and whistles.
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Post by: atarileaf on October 10, 2014, 06:56:41 am
Lets walk this thread through shall we? We have a thread title - "Timeless games that still hold up today?" followed by a comment by the OP stating the exact same thing.
People then follow with responses like Galaga, Tetris and Breakout which are, IMO, legitimate answers.
OP then says "Thinking something more modernish. Some games just get so boring while others just don't."
My first reponse was, in part - "Lots of the 2600 library is still eminently playable today. Games don't have to be "modernish" to hold up well. A good game is a good game from any period. " - my thought reading through the thread was (1) the thread never mentioned that games needed to be post-NES to qualify as timeless and (2) there are plenty of timeless games on the 2600 and those early systems. Remember, I said "lots" of the 2600 library, not all. Of course it's full of shovelware, no one is saying it isn't. There are still dozens of 'timeless' games from that era like Donkey Kong, Asteroids, Pacman, Robotron, Defender, etc. Even if you want to dismiss the 2600, those original arcade games ARE timeless and those who originally mentioned galaga, tetris and breakout never even mentioned the 2600. YOU were the first one to bring up the 2600. I assumed they were talking about the arcade versions anyway. Another poster then goes on to talk about Galaga and you continue to bring up the 2600. Galaga isn't even on the 2600!
At this point you move from the argument of what constitutes "timeless" to accusing me of letting my nostalgia cloud my judgement and that people who talk retro don't even think atari and that atari has "aged terribly" and is worthless besides a handful of games. A blanket statement which is blatantly false. I countered that Atari is not only still a popular retro system that has a thriving community and active homebrew scene which makes it far from "worthless" but that nostalgia isn't the driving force. If it was, homebrews wouldn't be as popular as they are. It's the arcade style of game that still holds up - hence games like Galaga, Tetris, and Breakout are still eminently playable today
Then you go on a rant which began with a completely false statement about those who grew up in those "short Atari years". Seriously? One of the longest running systems EVER which had a shelf life from 1977 - 1992? Other than maybe the PS2 it's the longest running console. I could tell from that first sentence I was dealing with someone who doesn't know their video game history. Follow that with wild assumptions that no one actually plays the 2600, we just let them collect dust. Not true, see Atariage again, which I doubt you will. You continue with something that, again, everyone knows and is not the argument at hand - Atari made massive mistakes and made a ton of shovelware. Again, that doesn't mean there are no "timeless" games from that era. Remember, the topic YOU started?
Then you make some pretty bizarre statements - "Why does it even need a homebrew scene every few months, or even matter if the games were timeless? People wouldn't need to try and remember. It's irrelevant, if it was timeless it wouldn't need life support to try and stay relevant today. It's nothing but a show piece, and people showing there programing skills for a high price."
Homebrew scene every few months? What does that even mean? Why does it matter if the games were timeless? Seriously? That's what we're talking about!! People wouldn't need to try to remember? They don't need to. The 2600 is still in the collective conscience of the modern world. Everyone remembers it who was around then. If it was timeless it wouldn't need life support? Like the NES which is still being sold in stores today? Or the Genesis? Or any other now discontinued video game system?
It's obvious you have a deep bias for anything before the NES which in and of itself is fine but don't pretend that some of those games still don't hold up well today. That's my problem with your stance from the beginning.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: turf on October 10, 2014, 09:27:15 am
Timeless and fun vary from person to person. There are no wrong answers in this thread... other than:
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: tpugmire on October 10, 2014, 09:29:20 am
I have several 2600 games that are worth more than most of the stuff that is being produced today. I'd say that they are hardly worthless. On a side note, I have to disagree with Super Metroid aging well. Don't get me wrong, this is one of my all-time favorite games ever, but even compared to Metroid: Zero Mission or Metroid Fusion, the gameplay feels too stiff. Every time I go back to it, it's almost like I have to train myself how to play all over again.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: burningdoom on October 10, 2014, 11:50:30 am
I have several 2600 games that are worth more than most of the stuff that is being produced today. I'd say that they are hardly worthless. On a side note, I have to disagree with Super Metroid aging well. Don't get me wrong, this is one of my all-time favorite games ever, but even compared to Metroid: Zero Mission or Metroid Fusion, the gameplay feels too stiff. Every time I go back to it, it's almost like I have to train myself how to play all over again.
But those other games totally stole Super Metroids controls.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: evilnick on October 10, 2014, 12:08:38 pm
I have several 2600 games that are worth more than most of the stuff that is being produced today. I'd say that they are hardly worthless. On a side note, I have to disagree with Super Metroid aging well. Don't get me wrong, this is one of my all-time favorite games ever, but even compared to Metroid: Zero Mission or Metroid Fusion, the gameplay feels too stiff. Every time I go back to it, it's almost like I have to train myself how to play all over again.
I think the only part of Super Metroid to truly age poorly is the wall-jumping mechanic.
I think Fusion was a horrible back-step for the franchise that was only made worse as it lead to Other M--and by that, I mean the stilted storytelling and forced linear gameplay in a franchise that was founded on isolation and exploration. I think the openness of Super Metroid feels fresher than the forced straight line progress in Other M, which feels closed and absent of freedom or anything player-driven.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: evilnick on October 10, 2014, 12:20:00 pm
Most of them in there 30s, and 40s demographic most likely who grew up in those short atari years. How many of them actually sit down and play the atari rather than just let it collect dust is questionable. Yes you're right the homebrew scene is reasonablly big but I would hardly say the homebrew scene is for timeless playability rather than a collectors show piece for bragging rights. Seriously how long is someone going to sit down and play halo atari for presuming that don't have epilepsy yet. I'm guessing to make an educated guess not very long, or any atari game outside activisions quality standard, and some of the atari in house games. Why exactly do you think atari crashed and burned? Because the games were terribly repetitive even then and had no lasting appeal as a whole even worse so than the NES relying on nothing but pac man, space invader clones, and brand name to sell. Christ even the atari top CEO at the time a little time towards there demise said quote We could put shit inside a cartridge and it would sell a million copies" If you want my opinion the intellivision held up far better than atari ever had, in just about every way possible except for controls, and they were just getting started.
Your argument may be flawed from the start by stating "short Atari years." Atari dominated the gaming scene for the first two generations, and the 2600 ran successfully from 1977 to 1983, and even had a lingering life after that until the 90's. I grew up in the Atari and NES days, but I have a friend ten years younger than me that also grew up with the Atari 2600. That is hardly a system that had a short lifespan.
Atari didn't fail because they didn't have or make some great games or true classics. They failed because they couldn't change with the times properly, and they clung to hard to too many of their older franchises and ideals rather than changing, growing, or adapting them an era re-created in large part by Nintendo, but also by Sega. The other problem with Atari was that it had become further disconnected from the gaming industry by corporate sales and decisions. The 7800 was originally scrapped with the belief that the gaming industry was a dead fad until Nintendo revived it. The 7800 then became an after-thought still based on obsolete design concepts.
While Atari attempted to modernize with the Jaguar, there is ample evidence that the designers were still unable to properly change with the times and as the Jaguar was the last console released that still had a ridiculous and dated numeric pad on the controller which relied on overlays, rather than the modern controller set forth, again, by Nintendo.
People can be nostalgic for all kinds of things, good or bad. Nostalgia cannot be controlled or directed. It just happens.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: desocietas on October 10, 2014, 02:27:19 pm
While it's in my collection, I certainly have no time for that game. :)
lol, I see what you did there.
this is quite a popular thread you started ;D
It reminds me of another question I got the other day - if you could had only one game to play for the rest of your life, what would it be? Could potentially be tied to the same thing as what someone would consider "timeless" but also possibly not. Considering "timeless" doesn't necessarily mean that you'd want to play it over and over and over again.
I admit Tetris (my original answer) is simple, but it's definitely timeless to me, even with all the variations it's seen over time. Finding a more modern game that fits the bill is a little tougher as we get used to what graphics accompany a certain era or the limitations of the systems at that time. My friend and I popped open Geometry Wars 2 the other night and decided to look at Geometry Wars right afterwards and boy, did that game look outdated in comparison.
It's much harder for me to think of something that's more modern and still timeless, but I think a game like the original Katamari Damacy might fit the bill.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: dreama1 on October 10, 2014, 04:36:27 pm
Lets walk this thread through shall we? We have a thread title - "Timeless games that still hold up today?" followed by a comment by the OP stating the exact same thing.
People then follow with responses like Galaga, Tetris and Breakout which are, IMO, legitimate answers.
OP then says "Thinking something more modernish. Some games just get so boring while others just don't."
My first reponse was, in part - "Lots of the 2600 library is still eminently playable today. Games don't have to be "modernish" to hold up well. A good game is a good game from any period. " - my thought reading through the thread was (1) the thread never mentioned that games needed to be post-NES to qualify as timeless and (2) there are plenty of timeless games on the 2600 and those early systems. Remember, I said "lots" of the 2600 library, not all. Of course it's full of shovelware, no one is saying it isn't. There are still dozens of 'timeless' games from that era like Donkey Kong, Asteroids, Pacman, Robotron, Defender, etc. Even if you want to dismiss the 2600, those original arcade games ARE timeless and those who originally mentioned galaga, tetris and breakout never even mentioned the 2600. YOU were the first one to bring up the 2600. I assumed they were talking about the arcade versions anyway. Another poster then goes on to talk about Galaga and you continue to bring up the 2600. Galaga isn't even on the 2600!
At this point you move from the argument of what constitutes "timeless" to accusing me of letting my nostalgia cloud my judgement and that people who talk retro don't even think atari and that atari has "aged terribly" and is worthless besides a handful of games. A blanket statement which is blatantly false. I countered that Atari is not only still a popular retro system that has a thriving community and active homebrew scene which makes it far from "worthless" but that nostalgia isn't the driving force. If it was, homebrews wouldn't be as popular as they are. It's the arcade style of game that still holds up - hence games like Galaga, Tetris, and Breakout are still eminently playable today
Then you go on a rant which began with a completely false statement about those who grew up in those "short Atari years". Seriously? One of the longest running systems EVER which had a shelf life from 1977 - 1992? Other than maybe the PS2 it's the longest running console. I could tell from that first sentence I was dealing with someone who doesn't know their video game history. Follow that with wild assumptions that no one actually plays the 2600, we just let them collect dust. Not true, see Atariage again, which I doubt you will. You continue with something that, again, everyone knows and is not the argument at hand - Atari made massive mistakes and made a ton of shovelware. Again, that doesn't mean there are no "timeless" games from that era. Remember, the topic YOU started?
Then you make some pretty bizarre statements - "Why does it even need a homebrew scene every few months, or even matter if the games were timeless? People wouldn't need to try and remember. It's irrelevant, if it was timeless it wouldn't need life support to try and stay relevant today. It's nothing but a show piece, and people showing there programing skills for a high price."
Homebrew scene every few months? What does that even mean? Why does it matter if the games were timeless? Seriously? That's what we're talking about!! People wouldn't need to try to remember? They don't need to. The 2600 is still in the collective conscience of the modern world. Everyone remembers it who was around then. If it was timeless it wouldn't need life support? Like the NES which is still being sold in stores today? Or the Genesis? Or any other now discontinued video game system?
It's obvious you have a deep bias for anything before the NES which in and of itself is fine but don't pretend that some of those games still don't hold up well today. That's my problem with your stance from the beginning.
First off it doesnt have to "post-NES" I said I would prefer it to make the disccusion more interesting I didn't say it's FORBIDDEN as you're just stating the obvious cult titles everyone on the planet has heard already. Why do you think i'm saying old games are all bad? I never said that.I don't even own any modern games? where are you getting this from?
You do know not a single one of those games your mentioned is exclusive or even best version? Why would anyone logically speaking want to play pac man on the atari 2600 than the NES, or any other version that outclasses it in every way possible from playablity, graphics, and sound? Other than just giving it the sentiment ,or show piece. Yes bravo programing it for the the atari but a timeless version no ,or your just running on nostalgia if you won't even listen to reason how crappy these ports actually were in the run of things. They're not "timeless" you can try and fog this point if you want but just having a monologue i've already given the definition so we have something to go off.
Next your gripe over me saying I Would prefer more modernish titles of 1985+ and that somehow equals I hate retro games? I don't even own any modern games! I'm not sure the point your making with this i've already given you examples and facts why the atari is less timeless than say the NES. You can try and blur, and fog the this point with a liberal stance if you want but it's false dichotomy, again has nothing to do with the discussion. I've already said I like atari, and activision games on atari were gold standard. But the argument has been made. Saying "SOME PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH YOU I KNOW SOMEONE WHO LIKES ATARI YOU'RE JUST A HATER THE HOMBREW SCENE IS HUGE THESE ARE TIMELESS GAMES" again not an argument, and you didn't reason it all the points made because it's totally avoiding the meat of the discussion asked if your not capable of looking at it empirical stand point in the run of things. I'm well aware of how ground breaking these ports were at the time but what does it matter if it's on the NES a year later and improved 10x? It's not timeless.
"A blanket statement which is blatantly false."
Again this isn't an argument the games are worthless because they're indeed worthless you can buy 10 atari games for a few dollars today but that's nothing in retro pricing atari is close to the bottom. Hence worthless. (Btw Yes I know there's a few extremely rare atari games around the crash but there few and far between. Anyway it's not what the disccusion was about.) While the NES, sega, and others enjoy much higher values. Yes this is open to debate why. But my guess i'm going to say they were fun, and set a quality standard never seen before the crash not always perfect but it was a hell lot better than the atari generation had. From level design bright colours, music, playablity.. The list goes on There's plenty people on here who can explain to you why this is, far better than me. If you bothered to read what's already been said. But there seems to be in an agreeance, if you disagree you can make the argument why but you haven't done that yet. But there seems to be in an agreeance, if you disagree you can make the argument why but you haven't done that yet.
Your argument was when I said i'm looking for timeless games I think it's been made pretty clear that means playability included, and most atari games don't hold up to this besides the obvious cult classics not to mention most had superior ports on NES, reasons been already stated why on the thread you jump to "BUT ATARI HAS A HUGE HOMEBREW SCENE AND A WEBSITE NOT BAD FOR SOMETHING YOU CONSIDER ""WORTHLESS"" YOU JUST HATE ATARI PETULANT CHILD!!" Again you can reason if you want but not sure what this has to do with if double dragon , pac man, donkey kong, zaxxon, burgertime, or rampage is more timeless port than just about everything that came after it. But it's not timeless games they have aged terribly you're just ignoring the reality.
Yes obviously it had late releases so what? The dreamcast had offical games coming out in 06-07 hell it still has games coming out today but it was game over in 2001, and the atari was game over when the NES came as far as relevance goes no one cared about double dragon, or an array of other crappy ports on atari 2600, and most of there exclusives were ported to intellivison, and NES. The point being they weren't timeless.
"Atari made massive mistakes and made a ton of shovelware. Again, that doesn't mean there are no "timeless" games from that era. Remember, the topic YOU started?"
Erm.. are you capable of telling difference between "most", and "all" I never said that. Again I said i'm looking for something more modernish ports like double dragon on atari are of no importance to this discussion. The NES version is superior so it's automatically more timeless than the atari version.
You're the only one with bias you can't put down the fact that atari holds no wieght today only those who grew up with atari mention it. Yes alright I know a tall chinese person as well. But we are speaking in statistics here. If you think they hold up better make the argument you haven't done that. This was about what games were timeless, repetitiveness isn't a characteristic.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: davifus on October 10, 2014, 04:39:14 pm
Wow, this thread went really sour... really fast. E.T for the win.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: maximo310 on October 10, 2014, 04:41:30 pm
Wow, this thread went really sour... really fast. E.T for the win.
Speaking of E.T..
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: desocietas on October 10, 2014, 04:44:02 pm
dreama1, I'm not sure if you notice, but most of us are trying to move on past the debate :)
We're enjoying the topic, so let us keep adding to it :D
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: turf on October 10, 2014, 04:48:37 pm
This is going to get down to name calling in 3...2...1...
We get it, one of you likes Atari and one doesn't. Holy shit. I think Sonic sucks ass. Someone jump on me and stop this stupid arguing. We all like different stuff. We all consider different things "timeless". Let's move on.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: davifus on October 10, 2014, 05:11:01 pm
This is going to get down to name calling in 3...2...1...
We get it, one of you likes Atari and one doesn't. Holy shit. I think Sonic sucks ass. Someone jump on me and stop this stupid arguing. We all like different stuff. We all consider different things "timeless". Let's move on.
This is going to get down to name calling in 3...2...1...
We get it, one of you likes Atari and one doesn't. Holy shit. I think Sonic sucks ass. Someone jump on me and stop this stupid arguing. We all like different stuff. We all consider different things "timeless". Let's move on.
This is going to get down to name calling in 3...2...1...
We get it, one of you likes Atari and one doesn't. Holy shit. I think Sonic sucks ass. Someone jump on me and stop this stupid arguing. We all like different stuff. We all consider different things "timeless". Let's move on.
lololol that's hilarious. i prefer spoderman anyway
Merio is so overrated
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: atarileaf on October 10, 2014, 06:44:20 pm
Personally, I think some older versions are better than the new. I prefer 2600's original Space Invaders to the actual arcade game. See the thing is that some early versions of games, although technically inferior are still eminently playable. I have Space Invaders Extreme 2 on the DS and although a good game, still isn't as good as the 2600 version IMO. There are arcade perfect ports of Centipede and Millipede but I'll still play the 2600 versions because they're fun. Dare I say "timeless"? But that's my opinion as it's not exactly "modernish" and it's clear to me that it can't be timeless unless it's the best version out there.
Glad I got rid of that old VHS tape of the original theatrical cut of Star Wars A New Hope and kept the newest George Lucas directors cut because Greedo shooting first is so much better. I mean it must be right? It's the newest version and by definition - newest is superior. Glad I stumbled onto that fantastic logic today. I can throw out all those old classic rock records too because One Direction is the latest and greatest.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: davifus on October 10, 2014, 07:03:30 pm
Glad I got rid of that old VHS tape of the original theatrical cut of Star Wars A New Hope and kept the newest George Lucas directors cut because Greedo shooting first is so much better. I mean it must be right? It's the newest version and by definition - newest is superior. Glad I stumbled onto that fantastic logic today. I can throw out all those old classic rock records too because One Direction is the latest and greatest.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: Bwigdahl on October 10, 2014, 07:42:52 pm
As someone who really doesn't go much older than the NES (which can even be a bit too archaic for me at times) I can appreciate those older generations and there are some games on the 2600 I've played that I thoroughly enjoy. Hell if I remember their names but I played a space shooter at a friend's house that was done from the cockpit perspective with some REALLY early 3D stuff that had I been a youngster back in 1982 with Star Wars being just out, if I would've had that game BACK THEN I probably would've shit my pants, changed my pants and shit them again. And hell it still played great when I popped it in in 2014. To me that's timeless. Atari had shit games that don't hold up, sure, but so did [insert every console ever]
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: badATchaos on October 10, 2014, 07:45:17 pm
This is going to get down to name calling in 3...2...1...
We get it, one of you likes Atari and one doesn't. Holy shit. I think Sonic sucks ass. Someone jump on me and stop this stupid arguing. We all like different stuff. We all consider different things "timeless". Let's move on.
Oh no you didn't mother <}%]€!
Sonic is a classic for your information
<insert 4 page tirade here>
Next you're going to tell us you like kicking puppies.
PUPPIES!
:)
I do have a NES era entry I think we missed:
Has anyone mentioned Ducktales?
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: critter7405 on October 11, 2014, 12:34:23 am
Wow, this thread went really sour... really fast. E.T for the win.
Speaking of E.T..
I just got the good old atari working the other day and actually played e.t. .finally got that CRT to cable connector .. So it's a direct connect to the TV it's great.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: evilnick on October 11, 2014, 12:42:38 am
This is going to get down to name calling in 3...2...1...
We get it, one of you likes Atari and one doesn't. Holy shit. I think Sonic sucks ass. Someone jump on me and stop this stupid arguing. We all like different stuff. We all consider different things "timeless". Let's move on.
This is going to get down to name calling in 3...2...1...
We get it, one of you likes Atari and one doesn't. Holy shit. I think Sonic sucks ass. Someone jump on me and stop this stupid arguing. We all like different stuff. We all consider different things "timeless". Let's move on.
Oh no you didn't mother <}%]€!
Sonic is a classic for your information
<insert 4 page tirade here>
Next you're going to tell us you like kicking puppies.
PUPPIES!
:)
I do have a NES era entry I think we missed:
Has anyone mentioned Ducktales?
Am I the only one that immediately hears the theme song in their head as soon as DuckTales is mentioned?
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: dreama1 on October 11, 2014, 03:48:32 pm
Personally, I think some older versions are better than the new. I prefer 2600's original Space Invaders to the actual arcade game. See the thing is that some early versions of games, although technically inferior are still eminently playable. I have Space Invaders Extreme 2 on the DS and although a good game, still isn't as good as the 2600 version IMO. There are arcade perfect ports of Centipede and Millipede but I'll still play the 2600 versions because they're fun. Dare I say "timeless"? But that's my opinion as it's not exactly "modernish" and it's clear to me that it can't be timeless unless it's the best version out there.
Glad I got rid of that old VHS tape of the original theatrical cut of Star Wars A New Hope and kept the newest George Lucas directors cut because Greedo shooting first is so much better. I mean it must be right? It's the newest version and by definition - newest is superior. Glad I stumbled onto that fantastic logic today. I can throw out all those old classic rock records too because One Direction is the latest and greatest.
Yes you proved 2+2=5 in flying colors. ??? Maybe at the next science conference someone can say I don't know GOD did it IT'S SUBJECTIVE! And it'll be considered a valid pejorative. Super man 64 the best game evarr it must be right? I'm totally not stuck in a time bubble. No one can make a constructive argument against me because incase it hurts my feelings, and I must attack him in a tribal manner! The inhumanity!
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: atarileaf on October 11, 2014, 03:58:23 pm
Jesus, take it down a notch chief. It'll be ok, you and I disagree. That's life on the interwebs my friend. It's all good.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: dreama1 on October 11, 2014, 04:15:04 pm
Also burningdoom you are not the only one that hears the theme song.
Do you also hear in your head "a woo oooh!" immediately after seeing or hearing "Ducktales" ? :)
lol, I don't just hear it, I usually say it.
Same here!
True story!
You guys aren't alone.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: evilnick on October 15, 2014, 11:41:14 am
This thread derailed a bit.
There was this game on the Atari 2600 called Food Fight, I think. You had to catch food in a mouth. If you ate eggplants, for some reason, you eventually burped and that was game over. Not only does that "totally sound like a modern game," it's still fun.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: pacpix on October 16, 2014, 01:05:23 am
There was this game on the Atari 2600 called Food Fight, I think. You had to catch food in a mouth. If you ate eggplants, for some reason, you eventually burped and that was game over. Not only does that "totally sound like a modern game," it's still fun.
That's actually Fast Food. Never played it, but it looks awesome ha.
Food Fight is an Atari arcade game that was ported to the 7800.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: dashv on October 16, 2014, 02:44:24 am
While not exactly timeless I continue to be impressed by how well Original XBOX games hold up on an HD display.
If you have an xbox and never popped for the HD kit... you are really missing out.
Burnout, Dead or Alive 2 Ultimate, Doom 3. They all totally hold up.
In fact I see very little difference between the XBox version of Beyond Good and Evil and the HD version that was rereleased on PS3.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: evilnick on October 16, 2014, 09:06:20 am
There was this game on the Atari 2600 called Food Fight, I think. You had to catch food in a mouth. If you ate eggplants, for some reason, you eventually burped and that was game over. Not only does that "totally sound like a modern game," it's still fun.
That's actually Fast Food. Never played it, but it looks awesome ha.
Food Fight is an Atari arcade game that was ported to the 7800.
Oh dammit! You're right, I meant to say Fast Food.
Fast Food is simple, controls well, and is still very playable today.
And as noted, you burp, you fail. My kid found that hilarious.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: desocietas on October 16, 2014, 11:34:58 am
While not exactly timeless I continue to be impressed by how well Original XBOX games hold up on an HD display.
If you have an xbox and never popped for the HD kit... you are really missing out.
Burnout, Dead or Alive 2 Ultimate, Doom 3. They all totally hold up.
In fact I see very little difference between the XBox version of Beyond Good and Evil and the HD version that was rereleased on PS3.
I find myself always impressed by how Gamecube games look, actually. Wii games look subpar to me, even when it was brand new, but I was surprised when I popped in Baten Kaitos a few weeks back (it looked good back then on CRT but still holds up on HD), and was surprised again when my bf started up Resident Evil. The system did well with what it could.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: maximo310 on October 16, 2014, 11:42:40 am
While not exactly timeless I continue to be impressed by how well Original XBOX games hold up on an HD display.
If you have an xbox and never popped for the HD kit... you are really missing out.
Burnout, Dead or Alive 2 Ultimate, Doom 3. They all totally hold up.
In fact I see very little difference between the XBox version of Beyond Good and Evil and the HD version that was rereleased on PS3.
I find myself always impressed by how Gamecube games look, actually. Wii games look subpar to me, even when it was brand new, but I was surprised when I popped in Baten Kaitos a few weeks back (it looked good back then on CRT but still holds up on HD), and was surprised again when my bf started up Resident Evil. The system did well with what it could.
Yeah, I really like how powerful the Gamecube is for a machine with a 1999 chipset, and how it only cost $250 at the time of launch, as well as its diverse library of games. On the Wii end, I feel like they reduced the increase in graphics power to spend more on the motion control capabilities, which helped the sales of the console alot, but I feel that the resolution holds the Wii's graphics to some extent, as well as the quality of the graphics in some cases. Comparing Wii games from the original system to Dolphin( where you can enable additional effects and get 1080p) really stands out in some games where Dolphin really cleans up most of the graphics.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: breezer0029 on October 19, 2014, 11:00:35 pm
Boring answer but SMB 3 is probably the best game ever made and still hold up today with great controls and gameplay !
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: instantreplay on October 20, 2014, 08:52:24 am
Resident Evil 4 Persona 4
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: evilnick on October 20, 2014, 01:22:26 pm
I don't think those games are nearly old enough for this topic.
I don't know if we have timeline set, but I think it's fair to suggest those two. RE4 is about ten years old, and P4 would be considered last-gen at this point. Not a lot of time has passed, perhaps, but that doesn't mean they don't still hold up. Other games have come out after both of those and definitely do not hold up as a "timeless" game.
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: iamzsdawgy on October 20, 2014, 05:08:30 pm
Many classic platformers IE: mario, megaman, ninja gaiden, contra, etc
Title: Re: Timeless games that still hold up today?
Post by: Warmsignal on October 20, 2014, 07:15:41 pm
IMO, all games have their date, and that's fine. Nothing stands out to me as if it doesn't belong to any era of games. I also don't get the logic of - this game is so dated, it's no longer any good. ??? *shrug*
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Post by: dashv on October 20, 2014, 08:14:25 pm
I don't think those games are nearly old enough for this topic.
I don't know if we have timeline set, but I think it's fair to suggest those two. RE4 is about ten years old, and P4 would be considered last-gen at this point. Not a lot of time has passed, perhaps, but that doesn't mean they don't still hold up. Other games have come out after both of those and definitely do not hold up as a "timeless" game.
I agree with the nomination of RE4. The Wii version is the best Resident Evil game I have ever played. RE5 is a close second. RE6 and whatever the submarine one was were meh to me.