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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: marvelvscapcom2 on April 27, 2016, 01:16:40 am
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I really want to start focusing more on preserving my games as best as possible. I am going to pick up some UV case protectors for all my boxes and Cases. I don't want sun fading or aging to occur. What is a good tempature to have them in? I was assuming 65 degrees. Not too cold, not warm, just cool and comfy. I assume heat is the bad thing, and too cold can cause condensation. Also how do you maintain the exact tempature consistently? Do you need a central cooling/heating unit or can you maintain it with a normal A/C or fans. Thanks for any ideas.
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I store my stuff inside of my house, where I keep the temperature consistently between 65-80 at all times of the year.
I also try my best to keep my stuff in a location that is void of direct sunlight.
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I just keep my stuff in my game room. Well, the housing plan labeled it as a "bonus room" but I call it the game room because that's where my game stuff gets organized in a aesthetically pleasing manner.
I digress.
As long as it's away from direct sunlight and not at risk of getting damaged by water, everything will be fine.
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Put your games in an airtight container full of inert gas; preferably a vacuum. Then place that container in a fallout shelter at least 20 feet underground to ensure survival from firebombing and thermonuclear weapons. Keep a maintained temperature of 60-70 degrees fahrenheit within the habitat. Build your fallout-video-game-shelter somewhere with very low humidity. Somewhere like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado should do fine.
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LOL at some of these replies! :P
Realistically, keep them out of direct sunlight and away from high humidity/moisture. Most homes that regulate their temperature are just fine. For cardboard boxed games, those custom archival boxes are great for keeping dust out as well as preventing accidental "crushing."
The real conundrum comes when you consider sealed games. Modern games that are packaged in plastic cases aren't as much a concern as cardboard box games. The plastic cellophane wrap that games are sealed with is a cheap plastic that degrades over time. In addition, plastics contain acid that can damage paper over time. That's why comic collectors have to change out their comic bags every few years. But I wouldn't be too concerned about this.
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Put your games in an airtight container full of inert gas; preferably a vacuum. Then place that container in a fallout shelter at least 20 feet underground to ensure survival from firebombing and thermonuclear weapons. Keep a maintained temperature of 60-70 degrees fahrenheit within the habitat. Build your fallout-video-game-shelter somewhere with very low humidity. Somewhere like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado should do fine.
If it's an airtight container or vacuum, do we need to worry about atmospheric moisture?
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The atmospheric moisture may damage the case its self. ;)
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Optional temperature - somewhere between Captain America's former ice grave and the 7 pits of hell.
In other words: if you are okay there so are the games.
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In all seriousness though: humility, altitude, and ultra violet will have more of an effect than temperature. Unless it's below freezing, or above 90F you don't have much to worry about.
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My games are always in 65 to 70 degrees. I keep the air conditioner on.
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I have a few discolored GameCube game spines from childhood and I wish I'd have kept them in better shape. Now I just keep the collection out of sunlight and in a room that never gets colder than 60 degrees and no warmer than 78 degrees. I'm sure my collection will outlive me.
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The best way to preserve them is to dip them in Epoxy. :P
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In all seriousness though: humility, altitude, and ultra violet will have more of an effect than temperature. Unless it's below freezing, or above 90F you don't have much to worry about.
Humility....LOL. :P In all seriousness though, this is about it. I would say keep them away from temps in the low 40's as well because of condensation. Your average air conditioned & heated house will provide a suitable environment for your games to last longer than you. Just keep them out of the sunlight as well.
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Jeez you guys
As long as you don't store your games in a bad isolated room like a (usually) garage or a Hatch you should be fine or some seperate building wich does not have a heating system.
If you just store your games in a normal room you should be fine. I would recommend to keep it in a room far from the dining room or kitchen though.
If you store your games in the garage, a seperate extra building without heating or a hatch your just asking for it.
Keeping it out of direct sunlight is also a must but Regular non sun light is no problem at all.
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Jeez you guys
As long as you don't store your games in a bad isolated room like a (usually) garage or a Hatch you should be fine or some seperate building wich does not have a heating system.
If you just store your games in a normal room you should be fine. I would recommend to keep it in a room far from the dining room or kitchen though.
If you store your games in the garage, a seperate extra building without heating or a hatch your just asking for it.
Keeping it out of direct sunlight is also a must but Regular non sun light is no problem at all.
Some people just want to feel safe.
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http://www.bl.uk/aboutus/stratpolprog/collectioncare/faqs/cddvd/caring_for_cds_dvds.pdf
Ill just drop this here. it covers everything about discs you would ever want to know.
keep in mind this is a large pdf. I believe when I opened it it was ~10-100mb it had 2 1's and a zero so 11.0MB or 110MB
TL:DR version. and yes I shortened this as much as possible. also keep in mind it recommends you make copies of all discs and use only the copies.
TEMP:
disc's should be stored in an environment that does not change temp between 0 degrees Celsius to 23 degrees Celsius (32-74 degrees Fahrenheit). if temperature is expected to change 16-21 degrees Celsius is recommended. (60-70 degrees Fahrenheit)
RELATIVE HUMIDITY:
fixed point between 30% and 50%
AIR QUALITY:
Air should be filtered to reduce particulates in the air
LIGHTING:
store in dark areas and avoid any direct sunlight/UV Lighting.
HANDELING:
NEVER touch the top or bottom of a disc! NEVER leave discs in systems (even ones turned off). other than that you should all know the rest.
LABELING:
NEVER write on or sticker any disc.
STORAGE:
store in cases Vertically on shelves. If shelving is metal make sure its powder coated or baked enamel (reduces chance of static discharge)
STORAGE ENCLOSURE:
make sure all discs are in jewel cases. If you purchase jewel cases to store your discs make sure it is NOT made of POLYVINYL CHLORIDE (PVC) (will damage discs over time will released gasses)
HOUSE KEEPING:
Clean your shelves every now and then to remove the chance of dust getting into your cases. also clean your systems to remove/reduce dust transfer.
CLEANING:
clean any none-new disc's before storing
the rest is basically not related to storage.
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HANDELING:
NEVER leave discs in systems (even ones turned off). other than that you should all know the rest.
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Wait what?
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HANDELING:
NEVER leave discs in systems (even ones turned off). other than that you should all know the rest.
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Wait what?
Yeah, I heard somewhere you shouldn't because it may ruin the disc reading lens or something. Not sure but I typically don't leave the games in the console for that.
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HANDELING:
NEVER leave discs in systems (even ones turned off). other than that you should all know the rest.
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Wait what?
Yeah, I heard somewhere you shouldn't because it may ruin the disc reading lens or something. Not sure but I typically don't leave the games in the console for that.
It actually says the reason for this is because of risk of heat from the system causing damage to the disc itself. also this is stricktly disc handeling not system handeling so im unsure if it causes damage to the lens or not.
btw GF78 will like this. It actually mentions "Disc Rot" saying Its caused by imperfections in individual batches of disc's like the data layer not being sealed properly, tiny amounts of water, or tiny air bubbles being present causing the aluminum to oxidize.
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HANDELING:
NEVER leave discs in systems (even ones turned off). other than that you should all know the rest.
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Wait what?
Yeah, I heard somewhere you shouldn't because it may ruin the disc reading lens or something. Not sure but I typically don't leave the games in the console for that.
It actually says the reason for this is because of risk of heat from the system causing damage to the disc itself. also this is stricktly disc handeling not system handeling so im unsure if it causes damage to the lens or not.
That's the first time I heard of this. I leave the game I'm playing in the console for as long as I need to until I'm done with the game.
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btw GF78 will like this. It actually mentions "Disc Rot" saying Its caused by imperfections in individual batches of disc's like the data layer not being sealed properly, tiny amounts of water, or tiny air bubbles being present causing the aluminum to oxidize.
And some people think disc rot is not real. ::) Vindication! 8)
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Wait what?
I've read that as well. I think it has to do with the whole "don't store your discs horizontally" thing.
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Wait what?
I've read that as well. I think it has to do with the whole "don't store your discs horizontally" thing.
Howcome? That the weight of the disc might pressure the system lens when turned off lol.
What can possibly happen when a console is turned off aside from the weight of the disc wich is pretty much nothing?
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anybody knows if the smoke (from cigarettes or weed) may damage the games? like the box etc
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As an avid-supporter of marijuana, I can tell you that marijuana smoke does add to the yellowing of white systems. However, it does not leave that lingering, disgusting smell that cigarettes do.
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Wait what?
I've read that as well. I think it has to do with the whole "don't store your discs horizontally" thing.
Howcome? That the weight of the disc might pressure the system lens when turned off lol.
What can possibly happen when a console is turned off aside from the weight of the disc wich is pretty much nothing?
Well, supposedly storing discs horizontally puts gravitational pressure on it which can warp the disc.
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As an avid-supporter of marijuana, I can tell you that marijuana smoke does add to the yellowing of white systems. However, it does not leave that lingering, disgusting smell that cigarettes do.
I thought THC was frowned upon by the religious right. Hmmm....
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Wait what?
I've read that as well. I think it has to do with the whole "don't store your discs horizontally" thing.
Howcome? That the weight of the disc might pressure the system lens when turned off lol.
What can possibly happen when a console is turned off aside from the weight of the disc wich is pretty much nothing?
Well, supposedly storing discs horizontally puts gravitational pressure on it which can warp the disc.
So pretty much nothing to worry about. Unless I keep my games in a console for years
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Wait what?
I've read that as well. I think it has to do with the whole "don't store your discs horizontally" thing.
Howcome? That the weight of the disc might pressure the system lens when turned off lol.
What can possibly happen when a console is turned off aside from the weight of the disc wich is pretty much nothing?
Well, supposedly storing discs horizontally puts gravitational pressure on it which can warp the disc.
So pretty much nothing to worry about. Unless I keep my games in a console for years
That's my thinking. I leave my "current" game I am playing in my system.
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Wait what?
I've read that as well. I think it has to do with the whole "don't store your discs horizontally" thing.
Howcome? That the weight of the disc might pressure the system lens when turned off lol.
What can possibly happen when a console is turned off aside from the weight of the disc wich is pretty much nothing?
Well, supposedly storing discs horizontally puts gravitational pressure on it which can warp the disc.
So pretty much nothing to worry about. Unless I keep my games in a console for years
That's my thinking. I leave my "current" game I am playing in my system.
Same here
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Wait what?
I've read that as well. I think it has to do with the whole "don't store your discs horizontally" thing.
Howcome? That the weight of the disc might pressure the system lens when turned off lol.
What can possibly happen when a console is turned off aside from the weight of the disc wich is pretty much nothing?
Well, supposedly storing discs horizontally puts gravitational pressure on it which can warp the disc.
Alright, you guys are being ridiculous now.
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Wait what?
I've read that as well. I think it has to do with the whole "don't store your discs horizontally" thing.
Howcome? That the weight of the disc might pressure the system lens when turned off lol.
What can possibly happen when a console is turned off aside from the weight of the disc wich is pretty much nothing?
Well, supposedly storing discs horizontally puts gravitational pressure on it which can warp the disc.
Alright, you guys are being ridiculous now.
LOL...I'm being serious. It's the same reason they say you should store CD's and DVD's horizontal. I'm not making it up. Like I said, I don't worry about it personally and leave my currently playing game disc in the drive.
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Wouldn't putting the games horizontally eventually take a toll on the games at the bottom? Ruining cases? I don't have the space to put my games horizontally and I think that's an extreme preservation rule. Might as well lock them up in an air tight room.
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As an avid-supporter of marijuana, I can tell you that marijuana smoke does add to the yellowing of white systems. However, it does not leave that lingering, disgusting smell that cigarettes do.
I thought THC was frowned upon by the religious right. Hmmm....
Haven't seen that in Bible.
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Wait what?
I've read that as well. I think it has to do with the whole "don't store your discs horizontally" thing.
Howcome? That the weight of the disc might pressure the system lens when turned off lol.
What can possibly happen when a console is turned off aside from the weight of the disc wich is pretty much nothing?
Well, supposedly storing discs horizontally puts gravitational pressure on it which can warp the disc.
Alright, you guys are being ridiculous now.
LOL...I'm being serious. It's the same reason they say you should store CD's and DVD's horizontal. I'm not making it up. Like I said, I don't worry about it personally and leave my currently playing game disc in the drive.
I don't think this applies for newer consoles only for the older generation pre wii era.
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anybody knows if the smoke (from cigarettes or weed) may damage the games? like the box etc
It will discolor systems, make covor art yellow/become not as vibrant, and in sufficient quantities cause the case to smell of it (exact same as cigarettes). the main difference between cigarettes and weed is:
the addictive nature of tobacco found in cigarettes causes you to smoke it more often, coupled with more chemicals in cigarettes, leading to quicker damaging results. So weed is still damaging to collections but at a slower rate compared to cigarettes.
any particulate in the air (dust, smoke, moisture) can potentially be damaging which is why air filtration is recommended. for most places though air conditioning/heater air filters is enough. I would just personally recommend either going outside if possible when smoking or going into another room from where you store your games.
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As an avid-supporter of marijuana, I can tell you that marijuana smoke does add to the yellowing of white systems. However, it does not leave that lingering, disgusting smell that cigarettes do.
I thought THC was frowned upon by the religious right. Hmmm....
Haven't seen that in Bible.
Most of the religious folks I know frown upon it and local churches run adds against using substances that alter brain chemistry. The Church of Scientology really looks down on it as they don't believe in even using prescribed medications. But I was more meaning the political pundits that consider liberals to be dirty, pot smoking hippies.
As for the Bible, some stuff is neglected while other parts are a bit overzealous. If we followed the Bible verbatim, women would be completely subservient to men and not speak unless spoken to. 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 states: "As in all the churches of the holy one, women should keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak, but should be subordinate even as the law says. If they want to learn anything, they should ask their husbands at home. For it is improper for a woman to speak in the church." Women would never be allowed to cut their hair, work outside the home or teach the word of God or even grade school. The Bible also never singles out people who are gay as sinners, but you hear "religious" folks spouting that nonsense and claiming it's in the Bible. Along with being overpriced, it's the reason I don't eat at Chick-Fil-A. Any person, entity or corporation that has a fundamental problem with people being happy isn't for me. Live and let live.
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Meh, we'll be replacing cover art maybe 20 years from now anyways. It'll yellow no matter what eventually.
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Meh, we'll be replacing cover art maybe 20 years from now anyways. It'll yellow no matter what eventually.
That's not true if that were the case there should not be perfect white cover art to find to begin with.
If you keep it out of direct sunlight and keep it from water it will stay white. Besides even Nes games can still be perfectly white and that's over 20 years.
It's not the same thin paper wich has been used for comic books.
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Wouldn't putting the games horizontally eventually take a toll on the games at the bottom? Ruining cases? I don't have the space to put my games horizontally and I think that's an extreme preservation rule. Might as well lock them up in an air tight room.
Lol I left the link so you guys could read it yourself but the reasons it listed for not storing them horizonally were:
Large stacks (disc only or cased) can cause instability on the top which if toppled over could cause damage to the disc's/cases.
the bottom disc's/cases also have to carry the load of everything on top of them potentially resulting in warping/compression which overtime can cause small cracks to form resulting in data loss/disc warp/case warp/case failure.
the largest issue being the accidental toppling.
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There are too many rules. Just seal all your games in a dark air tight room. Don't ever look at them, touch them or play them. Problem solved. Oh, and always buy them sealed. In fact, get them straight out of the factory to ensure it isn't mishandled by retail.
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Live and let live.
And yet you're questioning the way I live.
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::)
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Wouldn't putting the games horizontally eventually take a toll on the games at the bottom? Ruining cases? I don't have the space to put my games horizontally and I think that's an extreme preservation rule. Might as well lock them up in an air tight room.
Lol I left the link so you guys could read it yourself but the reasons it listed for not storing them horizonally were:
Large stacks (disc only or cased) can cause instability on the top which if toppled over could cause damage to the disc's/cases.
the bottom disc's/cases also have to carry the load of everything on top of them potentially resulting in warping/compression which overtime can cause small cracks to form resulting in data loss/disc warp/case warp/case failure.
the largest issue being the accidental toppling.
making high stacks horizontally will also destroy the cover art thanks to the weight. This applies for gamecube ps2 etc (games without hard cases such as ps1.)
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Wow lol. Thanks everyone for the tips. I learnt a lot. I never knew you shouldn't leave discs in the console. I always do that. Does anyone use those Packs that absorb moisture like you get in mail to protect moisture from games? They are called silica i think. I might put them around my games. So basic rule of thumb based on consensus, is cooler then room temperture, about 55 to 65 degrees, no sunlight, no horizontals?
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Live and let live.
And yet you're questioning the way I live.
How did I question the way you live?
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Live and let live.
And yet you're questioning the way I live.
How did I question the way you live?
As an avid-supporter of marijuana, I can tell you that marijuana smoke does add to the yellowing of white systems. However, it does not leave that lingering, disgusting smell that cigarettes do.
I thought THC was frowned upon by the religious right. Hmmm....
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Wow lol. Thanks everyone for the tips. I learnt a lot. I never knew you shouldn't leave discs in the console. I always do that. Does anyone use those Packs that absorb moisture like you get in mail to protect moisture from games? They are called silica i think. I might put them around my games. So basic rule of thumb based on consensus, is cooler then room temperture, about 55 to 65 degrees, no sunlight, no horizontals?
I'd say 60-70 degrees no direct sunlight.
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Live and let live.
And yet you're questioning the way I live.
How did I question the way you live?
As an avid-supporter of marijuana, I can tell you that marijuana smoke does add to the yellowing of white systems. However, it does not leave that lingering, disgusting smell that cigarettes do.
I thought THC was frowned upon by the religious right. Hmmm....
Your lifestyle choices to use marijuana are in direct violation of the laws of God. Romans 13:1-7 states, “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”
Marijuana is illegal, hence you are rebelling against God. I'm not judging you. God is judging you.
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Let's not bring this God nonsense in here.
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so yeah im just going to say this so id does not escalate.
DO NOT ARGUE ABOUT RELIGION. THIS FORUM IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT AND MAKE EVERYONE UNCOMFERTABLE.
If you must argue please take it somewhere else, we are more civilized than this guys.
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so yeah im just going to say this so id does not escalate.
DO NOT ARGUE ABOUT RELIGION. THIS FORUM IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT AND MAKE EVERYONE UNCOMFERTABLE.
If you must argue please take it somewhere else, we are more civilized than this guys.
I'm cool. I just don't appreciate smug people.
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anybody knows if the smoke (from cigarettes or weed) may damage the games? like the box etc
It will discolor systems, make covor art yellow/become not as vibrant, and in sufficient quantities cause the case to smell of it (exact same as cigarettes). the main difference between cigarettes and weed is:
the addictive nature of tobacco found in cigarettes causes you to smoke it more often, coupled with more chemicals in cigarettes, leading to quicker damaging results. So weed is still damaging to collections but at a slower rate compared to cigarettes.
any particulate in the air (dust, smoke, moisture) can potentially be damaging which is why air filtration is recommended. for most places though air conditioning/heater air filters is enough. I would just personally recommend either going outside if possible when smoking or going into another room from where you store your games.
allright guys thank you!
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and btw, smoke weed everyday 8)
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There are plenty enough answers on this thread. Locking this thing up before it gets bad.