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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: marvelvscapcom2 on April 28, 2016, 05:29:10 pm
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Resellers find games cheap and flip them for a profit to collectors. I feel resellers have drove prices up so high on so many games that aren't really all that rare. Just resellers dictate weather or not a game is expensive or not. A game is only as much as someone is willing to ask and pay. If one reseller asks 20 for Mario/Duckhunt and it sells for 20, then all of a sudden 5 more resellers see it sell for 20 and post theirs for 20. Next thing you know Mario/DuckHunt is 20 dollars. And then if a collector really wants that game he either has to get lucky and find it from a non reseller at a yard sale or something or he has to pay 20 dollars knowing it's too much. sometimes it makes me wonder who decides prices on stuff. Its like Smash Bros Melee is going for 55 dollars right now, sometimes 70. It is literally top most common Gamecube game. #1 most sold. Everyone had them. Why is it almost as much as it was new. 50-60 is more than a Suikoden V which is actually a semi rare game. Its all Because a lot of people want it, it has high demand. So if a reseller asks 100. And that was consensus among resellers. theyd still sell. People need that game, love that game. But lets be honest with ourselves. Its a 10 dollar game. Its one of the best games ever made, so if it was 1,000 dollars a collector would still try to get it. But rarity wise, its as rare as a 3 dollar madden. Except no one wants the 3 dollar madden. Lately I have seen a lot of people make livings manipulating this hobby and ripping off collectors and messing up the scene. I don't mind someone trying to make a profit but I see people getting something for 3 dollars at a thrift store and selling it for 150 dollars retail to someone who actually loves the game. It Is a shady business. Make a profit but hook people up for crying out loud. Get a deal but give someone a deal too. Some resellers get greedy and ruin it for genuine gamers. We could coexist if resellers didn't chase the "retail" price. If I got a game for 5 bucks at a thrift store and I didn't want or need it, and I knew a collector did, what is the harm in giving it to them for 30 even if it is a 50 dollar game. you are still making 25 dollar profit and still giving the collector a good deal. that is the way this should all work. Not get for 5 and sell it to the collector for 50. Its a shame. I am just ranting lol. Does anyone else notice more and more of these modern day hustlers trying to make a quick buck off our passion? I cant be the only one.
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they are bad. the excuse that they get games into people who want its hands is an utter crock of shit. if they (someone who has no intention of owning and playing the game) just left it so that someone who actually cared about it would buy it it would instantly go to someone who cares hands. they are just trying to make their greedy profit.
this is assuming you mean scalpers
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The way eBay makes it easy to see what things have sold for in the past does tend to create a bubble in price. It's true that as soon as something sells for higher, the rest of the sellers notice and raise prices accordingly. Crusader of Centy on Genesis is probably the poster child for this phenomenon. It was about $50 for just the cart a few years ago.
This happens in every hobby though. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/25/beanie-babies-bankrupt_n_3654324.html) ;D
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I remember a case of a collector specifically testing ebay and its price model. they bought an extreamly common game that sells poorly ($2-4 price, 2-3 times a month) for the Gameboy and consistently bought every one on e-bay for a year. at the end of that year he had ~30-40 of them and the new e-bay price was ~$20. when he went to sell them to see if the price would go back down he priced them at the $10 mark and would consistently have 5-6 happening constantly so resellers had no bite to buy them and to attempt to bring the price down. after he sold all of them the prices were still being marked ~$20 from then on but had returned to 2-3 sales a month.
this example just shows that its a combination of resellers and e-bay but the prices deffinately would not be where they are without the re-sellers.
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They're cancer, they artificially inflate the prices of games while also making it hard to find anything locally, because they post literally 50 ads how they'll buy everything, and then probably go sell it on ebay... Anyone who does it should literally f off. <3
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the Answer is simple... it depends on the person. Yeah you're going to get those A**holes who think Mario/Duck Hunt is a $15+ game because it has Mario in it, but those people might also not know that the copy of, ::) oh let's say a certain Sports game on the Sega Master System is worth way more the the $2 they're selling it for (true Story)
However there are resellers who do it to support their collection. Let's Face it this Hobby is not cheap, however these guys will be more willing to work with you on a price especially if you Bundle and a few times I've actually gone and have just done a straight up trade with one of these kinds of resellers
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Resellers is the wrong term to use. A reseller typically operates in the current market. I am not certain if reseller is applicable to the video game market at all. It usually goes that a reseller purchases from a retailer or distribution house with the sole purpose to sell the item. To be a reseller, it is not required that they resell an item for profit. It is common that a reseller will break even or take a loss on the resold product, but that is due to the product sale not being the top of their business model.
With that being in mind, you will not find resellers of NES games because NES games are not available in a distribution channel. Video game resellers, of course, do exist and it is good that they do. Otherwise you would only find video games at retail chains or direct from the publishers.
A more appropriate term is Flipper, such as those who would purchase a house to flip at a higher price.
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the Answer is simple... it depends on the person. Yeah you're going to get those A**holes who think Mario/Duck Hunt is a $15+ game because it has Mario in it, but those people might also not know that the copy of, ::) oh let's say a certain Sports game on the Sega Master System is worth way more the the $2 they're selling it for (true Story)
However there are resellers who do it to support their collection. Let's Face it this Hobby is not cheap, however these guys will be more willing to work with you on a price especially if you Bundle and a few times I've actually gone and have just done a straight up trade with one of these kinds of resellers
Yeah, those kinds of people I don't mind. If they make Mario games and Zelda games a lot just because it has Mario and stuff those are just Naïve people. It just shows they don't know much about prices and go by the name. That ok. Those people also have deals sometimes on games like you said that they don't think is worth a lot. I am mostly talking about the snakes that I see locally and online that frequent flea markets and thrift stores hoarding games for 3-5 bucks leaving nothing in the wild for actual collectors and flip them for way over retail to collectors and destroy the entire market. People pulling out their phone and knowing their prices on everything and waiting to flip something for profit just so they can make a living off it. Send their kids off to college using our passion and love for games as the method. I will buy off you for 5, sell to someone else for 55 type market. That is not honest. that is just awful way to do business or go about life in general. It is as close to a thief as you can become without robbing someone's wallet lol. For example say someone wanted tomba, I had Tomba and I baught it for 5 bucks. I am not going to sell you it for 80. Id cut you a deal on it. Id put it up for 40 One hand washes the other. you get it much cheaper than retail and I still make a lot of profit on something I got for 5 bucks that's the proper way. but a snake would just sell you it for ebay price as high as they can possibly get. no deal for the buyer. All greed. and make you pay up for something they got for next to nothing. These people Literally pull out their phone and look up ebay prices. If I wanted to pay ebay prices id umm.... buy it off ebay lol.
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I know of a friend who bought Mega Man X3 off eBay for almost 200 dollars and the guy never shipped it and closed his account. A week later another user sold the exact same copy for about fifty bucks more because he raised the trending price with the last sale. It's bullshit.
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Resellers is the wrong term to use. A reseller typically operates in the current market. I am not certain if reseller is applicable to the video game market at all. It usually goes that a reseller purchases from a retailer or distribution house with the sole purpose to sell the item. To be a reseller, it is not required that they resell an item for profit. It is common that a reseller will break even or take a loss on the resold product, but that is due to the product sale not being the top of their business model.
With that being in mind, you will not find resellers of NES games because NES games are not available in a distribution channel. Video game resellers, of course, do exist and it is good that they do. Otherwise you would only find video games at retail chains or direct from the publishers.
A more appropriate term is Flipper, such as those who would purchase a house to flip at a higher price.
Yeah, Flippers. Flippers is def a better term. That's what I was looking for. Or snakes lol. Cold blooded devious spineless reptiles. Flippers exist on all consoles. As long as they can find something cheap as dirt from someone who didn't know any better and flip it for 200 percent profit to an honest collector who just wants the game to play and have. That is just some hardcore levels of wrong. I don't know how anyone could feel proud doing that.
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I know of a friend who bought Mega Man X3 off eBay for almost 200 dollars and the guy never shipped it and closed his account. A week later another user sold the exact same copy for about fifty bucks more because he raised the trending price with the last sale. It's bullshit.
SMH, >:( that's how flippers work. That's their literal full time job what you just said. They will literally stab someone in the back and piss on their own reputation for 50 bucks more. Shameful. That is the mind of a reseller. More, more, more. Was your friend able to get his money back or did he/she take a loss on it? I hope it worked out for him/her. One time a seller did that to me too with a Cheaper game, he had it for 10 and I paid and then the purchase canceled and he had it up for 25 later that day. So shady.
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Its like Smash Bros Melee is going for 55 dollars right now, sometimes 70. It is literally top most common Gamecube game. #1 most sold. Everyone had them. Why is it almost as much as it was new. 50-60 is more than a Suikoden V which is actually a semi rare game. Its all Because a lot of people want it, it has high demand. So if a reseller asks 100. And that was consensus among resellers. theyd still sell. People need that game, love that game. But lets be honest with ourselves. Its a 10 dollar game. Its one of the best games ever made, so if it was 1,000 dollars a collector would still try to get it.
This is not really the work of resellers.
The tournament scene for super smash melee is getting pretty big these days might even surpass the new street fighter games.
People need to play this game and use this game quitte allot. If their copy breaks you will need a new one and buy one for market value, same goes for people who want to attend to tournaments and train. Those people want a copy right now and don't want to wait for months to find a copy for cheap, they pay market value 60 - 70 dollars.
Normal people do not buy this game for 50 - 70 dollars probably pretty much only people who join tournaments since they need the game right now it's a pretty big rapidly growing community so there is allot of demand It's usually not the collector who pays these prices but the gamer. In this case especially tournament players.
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Those that are in it purely for profit, and cares less for the condition of the item, yeah, they are bad. No way does a cartridge only copy of a game equal the same value of the same game, complete, that sold on eBay.
However most of us here are resellers. We get extras, or games we aren't really into, and we sell them to fund other items in our colleciton; right? But the difference is, we as collectors know that condition impacts value.
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I know of a friend who bought Mega Man X3 off eBay for almost 200 dollars and the guy never shipped it and closed his account. A week later another user sold the exact same copy for about fifty bucks more because he raised the trending price with the last sale. It's bullshit.
SMH, >:( that's how flippers work. That's their literal full time job what you just said. They will literally stab someone in the back and piss on their own reputation for 50 bucks more. Shameful. That is the mind of a reseller. More, more, more. Was your friend able to get his money back or did he/she take a loss on it? I hope it worked out for him/her. One time a seller did that to me too with a Cheaper game, he had it for 10 and I paid and then the purchase canceled and he had it up for 25 later that day. So shady.
She got her money back but PayPal/eBay put her through the wringer and it took about three weeks to get it back.
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The very milk that you buy at the grocery is from a reseller so STOP complaining. It's called free market. If there is somewhere money to be made you should get it, otherwise your loss. The problem with today's society is that every one should have something that everyone else has at the launch. People are xxucking addicted and can't control themselves and take their credit cards and pay the crazy prices set buy the resellers/scalpers. Have they had a minute sense of intelligence and knew about supply and demand, they'd know that if they held their pee pee and didn't buy an item from a reseller at a value X, well over time, that said reseller, after seeing he/she is not able to move his/her products, they'd start marking down the prices (sometime up to 60% less). IDIOT-ADDICTED-BUYERS freaking are to be blamed, not someone who tries to make living out of flipping. I for example, missed my chance to preorder Demon's Souls Deluxe edition when it came out in 2009, then I saw the price sky rocket, why because stupid buyers were paying those stupid prices. So I waited. 7 Years later, last month I finally snatched one for the same price when it came out, in an absolute good condition. So, please, next time when you miss out on something, please, please, please control your impulse and xxucking wait. Don't inflate the prices, but if you do, the shut the hell up and stop putting the fault on reseller/scalpers.
P.S. I'm not a reseller as I have a wonderful job that pays very good.
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Very solid points
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The very milk that you buy at the grocery is from a reseller so STOP complaining. It's called free market. If there is somewhere money to be made you should get it, otherwise your loss. The problem with today's society is that every one should have something that everyone else has at the launch. People are xxucking addicted and can't control themselves and take their credit cards and pay the crazy prices set buy the resellers/scalpers. Have they had a minute sense of intelligence and knew about supply and demand, they'd know that if they held their pee pee and didn't buy an item from a reseller at a value X, well over time, that said reseller, after seeing he/she is not able to move his/her products, they'd start marking down the prices (sometime up to 60% less). IDIOT-ADDICTED-BUYERS freaking are to be blamed, not someone who tries to make living out of flipping. I for example, missed my chance to preorder Demon's Souls Deluxe edition when it came out in 2009, then I saw the price sky rocket, why because stupid buyers were paying those stupid prices. So I waited. 7 Years later, last month I finally snatched one for the same price when it came out, in an absolute good condition. So, please, next time when you miss out on something, please, please, please control your impulse and xxucking wait. Don't inflate the prices, but if you do, the shut the hell up and stop putting the fault on reseller/scalpers.
P.S. I'm not a reseller as I have a wonderful job that pays very good.
On paper that sounds right, but have you been buying milk directly from a farmer, why not get your own cow? Not that easy really...You can't water a grocery store's entire operation down to that, there's a lot more involved than that.
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It depends. There are those that grab up cheap stuff and such, taking things from regular collectors, and then jack up the costs and don't do deals. I know one or two of those in the area. On the other hand, I know some other guys who are pretty cool, might still grab things collector's might want, but can do good deals or do well enough in trade.
I remember this one flea market seller that had a busted Jungle Green N64 controller. The analog was trashed and it was dirty, but at the time I had some spare N64 controller parts, so I asked 10 bucks for it, because it is a busted controller, and she told me no deal. She had that thing up on that wall for years I think. I don't know what she was selling it for exactly. I wonder how they stay in business...and some don't as she eventually shut down because I'm pretty positive she was never willing to negotiate things in a market that could be very fluid at times. These people drive me nuts, because I can't imagine they are making the money they could if they just lowered the price even abit on things. Why not sell for 40 bucks if you don't ever sell for 50 or 60?
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Resellers is the wrong term to use. A reseller typically operates in the current market. I am not certain if reseller is applicable to the video game market at all. It usually goes that a reseller purchases from a retailer or distribution house with the sole purpose to sell the item. To be a reseller, it is not required that they resell an item for profit. It is common that a reseller will break even or take a loss on the resold product, but that is due to the product sale not being the top of their business model.
With that being in mind, you will not find resellers of NES games because NES games are not available in a distribution channel. Video game resellers, of course, do exist and it is good that they do. Otherwise you would only find video games at retail chains or direct from the publishers.
A more appropriate term is Flipper, such as those who would purchase a house to flip at a higher price.
That's an insult to home flippers. Heck, it's an insult to burger flippers. Walking into a thrift store or flea to buy something and resell requires so very little expulsion of energy or brain power. They're more akin to scalpers in that they know gamers are trying to beat them to the items because gamers actually want them. They like having gamers at thier mercy to pay whatever they ask because they have it all.
Smash is just so popular, maybe even more now than back then. A lot of copies are prob still in the hands of the original owners.
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If someone would have asked me this several years ago I would have called ALL resellers sacks of shit for driving the price of games up and making it very hard to find the once plentiful deals out there at flea markets, thrift stores and garage sales. Now I see them in various shades of grey ranging from total POS asshole who wants to charge $20 for a copy of Mario/Duck Hunt, to guy who found Mario/Duck Hunt for $3 at thrift store and is willing to sell you it for $8; he makes money and you get a fair price for the game. It all depends of the person and how they go about making money off the games they find.
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It's kinda depends on who you are working with. In the past, I got a few good deals from resellers in the past, but now places like Craigslist in my area, are full of people who are asking for huge markups in prices compared to something like ebay, or don't want to make deals on stuff. It's kinda sad in the sense that some of those guys are hoping to sell at their inflated price and jack up the cost, and really kills the collecting spirit in a way.
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The very milk that you buy at the grocery is from a reseller so STOP complaining. It's called free market. If there is somewhere money to be made you should get it, otherwise your loss. The problem with today's society is that every one should have something that everyone else has at the launch. People are xxucking addicted and can't control themselves and take their credit cards and pay the crazy prices set buy the resellers/scalpers. Have they had a minute sense of intelligence and knew about supply and demand, they'd know that if they held their pee pee and didn't buy an item from a reseller at a value X, well over time, that said reseller, after seeing he/she is not able to move his/her products, they'd start marking down the prices (sometime up to 60% less). IDIOT-ADDICTED-BUYERS freaking are to be blamed, not someone who tries to make living out of flipping. I for example, missed my chance to preorder Demon's Souls Deluxe edition when it came out in 2009, then I saw the price sky rocket, why because stupid buyers were paying those stupid prices. So I waited. 7 Years later, last month I finally snatched one for the same price when it came out, in an absolute good condition. So, please, next time when you miss out on something, please, please, please control your impulse and xxucking wait. Don't inflate the prices, but if you do, the shut the hell up and stop putting the fault on reseller/scalpers.
P.S. I'm not a reseller as I have a wonderful job that pays very good.
I dont see it that way. A grocery store does not have a high profit margin but rather makes big profits at smaller margins on volume of sales over a period of time on many products, and they are also doing you a service by making everyday products readily available and affordable at a location near you. They also must hire employees which is good as it creates jobs but further diminishes their profits margins, but its impossible to have a grocery store without employees and the other expenses of running a large store. All these products (milk, etc.) have to be loaded up, delivered and put on shelves from their place of origin and often kept in the right condition (temperature) and many unsold produce that goes bad or passes expiration is a further loss. Then, they also have to compete with their competitors.
So while we commonly call these people ''resellers'' in the video game scene, they are more akin to scalpers/flippers. Resellers in the video game market do not really compete much, sellers will just copy the prices of other sellers or often inflate them even more - the opposite of competition. Aside from that, most full-time video game resellers have extremely high profit percentages (and not margins), since they can buy one game for 5-10$ and sell it for 20-100$. That's a lot different than stores that require a large of volume sales since the profit margin on income is much smaller all expenses included. Unless they are an actual business on ebay, resellers are solo or do it with the help of friends or unpaid contacts. So while grocery or electronic stores make goods readily available, at prices most consumers are willing to pay, the video game resellers will buy up all the good games and try to sell them over a longer period of time at marked-up prices, which makes games harder to find and not easier for video gamers. Whereas retail stores sell mostly new products that people cannot commonly find used/new locally or are not willing to buy outside of a store.
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The very milk that you buy at the grocery is from a reseller so STOP complaining. It's called free market. If there is somewhere money to be made you should get it, otherwise your loss. The problem with today's society is that every one should have something that everyone else has at the launch. People are xxucking addicted and can't control themselves and take their credit cards and pay the crazy prices set buy the resellers/scalpers. Have they had a minute sense of intelligence and knew about supply and demand, they'd know that if they held their pee pee and didn't buy an item from a reseller at a value X, well over time, that said reseller, after seeing he/she is not able to move his/her products, they'd start marking down the prices (sometime up to 60% less). IDIOT-ADDICTED-BUYERS freaking are to be blamed, not someone who tries to make living out of flipping. I for example, missed my chance to preorder Demon's Souls Deluxe edition when it came out in 2009, then I saw the price sky rocket, why because stupid buyers were paying those stupid prices. So I waited. 7 Years later, last month I finally snatched one for the same price when it came out, in an absolute good condition. So, please, next time when you miss out on something, please, please, please control your impulse and xxucking wait. Don't inflate the prices, but if you do, the shut the hell up and stop putting the fault on reseller/scalpers.
P.S. I'm not a reseller as I have a wonderful job that pays very good.
Couldn't agree more. Its a double edged sword. These buy it now bills make the price that high too, Resellers can ask 60 dollars for smash melee all they want, hell they could ask 2,000,000. but the only reason it goes for that is because people actually pay it. Someone has to buy it. Like you said, its part reseller blame for putting it for 60 dollars in the first place, but also at least 30 percent collector blame for actually being desperate enough to pay that. . But like I said before, you almost have to pay that if that is what it goes for. If they ask that then that is what it is. In the age of everyone pulling out their phones and looking stuff up. you will never ever find a smash melee under 40 even in the wild. So waiting for a deal seems like an endless wait. Noone gives deals anymore. that is the whole point of this thread. Its all resellers raising the prices more and more endlessly. People know their stuff. So might as well buy it for 60 guaranteed and have it delivered conveniently to your house. I still think it is much more resellers fault the price is that high. they literally have all power. smash could be 100 tommarow if they all banned together and it would still sell and I cant blame collectors for that. because if I didn't have a copy already and needed one id prob pay 2,000 dollars if it was that much. It is a must have game. As for the Milk in the grocery store thing, not nearly the same as justinius said, grocery stores are retail places that deal with supply, demand, interest rates, suppliers, inventory, so many intangibles and they still only make like what 2 dollars per gallon? If Walmart was buying the milk for 1 dollar from the farmer and selling it for 50 bucks per gallon then yeah. That is what these snake resellers would do lol.
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I know of a friend who bought Mega Man X3 off eBay for almost 200 dollars and the guy never shipped it and closed his account. A week later another user sold the exact same copy for about fifty bucks more because he raised the trending price with the last sale. It's bullshit.
Sorry that your friend got ripped off. I hope they were able to get a refund from eBay.
That's another thing that you need to watch out for on eBay is to check the reviews on the seller's page. Are the reviews 100% positive? Or negative? Or neutral? Is the seller reliable according to the buyers who bought stuff from him or her?
If I see something that I like, I would always check the seller's page to see if they have any positive reviews or not. If the seller has positive reviews and the buyers claim that they are very reliable, then I would buy something from that seller. I know there are some reviews that are false and try to make the good sellers look bad by providing false feedback or that they are uncooperative even when seller is being cooperative with them.
I, too, would try to be patience and wait for a good price on certain games. Because there is no way I'm buying an overpriced game or game console. I remember seeing the Playstation 20th Annivesary PS4 console, (with the PS1 color scheme), being sold for $1K! It's ridiculous! I really dislike scalpers. >:(
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It's kinda depends on who you are working with. In the past, I got a few good deals from resellers in the past, but now places like Craigslist in my area, are full of people who are asking for huge markups in prices compared to something like ebay, or don't want to make deals on stuff. It's kinda sad in the sense that some of those guys are hoping to sell at their inflated price and jack up the cost, and really kills the collecting spirit in a way.
Yeah, Their are no good deals in the wild anymore, everything is 10 percent more than it was even 2 months ago. Slowly increasing to rates that arent fair to us. And its hard to stop it. It is sad. It is more about the money and value than the actual games now. Everyone says "This is worth 2,000 dollars" not "This game is one of my faves". Games should be baught for the games themselves not for a money sign. nobody trying to help eachother. Resellers also determine ebays prices. Collectors are forced to pay retail so collectors are less likely to cut deals themselves when they want to get rid of something. I can see ebay asking retail. But how could a local ever match an ebay price? It makes no sense. Ebay sellers have fees, paypal fees, shipping costs, liability, they have to pay for packaging, they have to go to the post office. All kinds of work. Random local dude deals with none of that. Of course their price should be a little higher. Then these resellers think ebay price is the standard. If I want to pay ebay price ill buy it on ebay lol.
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If someone would have asked me this several years ago I would have called ALL resellers sacks of shit for driving the price of games up and making it very hard to find the once plentiful deals out there at flea markets, thrift stores and garage sales. Now I see them in various shades of grey ranging from total POS asshole who wants to charge $20 for a copy of Mario/Duck Hunt, to guy who found Mario/Duck Hunt for $3 at thrift store and is willing to sell you it for $8; he makes money and you get a fair price for the game. It all depends of the person and how they go about making money off the games they find.
Yeah, If someone found Mario/Duckhunt for 3 bucks and wants 8, that's perfectly fine. Make a little profit and still cut a decent deal. That's awesome. That helps everyone. If all resellers were like that we would be able to have a perfect community, they find something we need cheap, make a little profit on it, maybe double or triple what they paid, but we still save 20-40 percent versus buying it of ebay. That is perfect dream scenario. I don't mind them. but when someone finds something for 2 bucks and wants 100. That is when they are scum to me lol. Lower than low. Worst than stickers on labels. and that is pretty bad lol.
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The very milk that you buy at the grocery is from a reseller so STOP complaining. It's called free market. If there is somewhere money to be made you should get it, otherwise your loss. The problem with today's society is that every one should have something that everyone else has at the launch. People are xxucking addicted and can't control themselves and take their credit cards and pay the crazy prices set buy the resellers/scalpers. Have they had a minute sense of intelligence and knew about supply and demand, they'd know that if they held their pee pee and didn't buy an item from a reseller at a value X, well over time, that said reseller, after seeing he/she is not able to move his/her products, they'd start marking down the prices (sometime up to 60% less). IDIOT-ADDICTED-BUYERS freaking are to be blamed, not someone who tries to make living out of flipping. I for example, missed my chance to preorder Demon's Souls Deluxe edition when it came out in 2009, then I saw the price sky rocket, why because stupid buyers were paying those stupid prices. So I waited. 7 Years later, last month I finally snatched one for the same price when it came out, in an absolute good condition. So, please, next time when you miss out on something, please, please, please control your impulse and xxucking wait. Don't inflate the prices, but if you do, the shut the hell up and stop putting the fault on reseller/scalpers.
P.S. I'm not a reseller as I have a wonderful job that pays very good.
I dont see it that way. A grocery store does not have a high profit margin but rather makes big profits at smaller margins on volume of sales over a period of time on many products, and they are also doing you a service by making everyday products readily available and affordable at a location near you. They also must hire employees which is good as it creates jobs but further diminishes their profits margins, but its impossible to have a grocery store without employees and the other expenses of running a large store. All these products (milk, etc.) have to be loaded up, delivered and put on shelves from their place of origin and often kept in the right condition (temperature) and many unsold produce that goes bad or passes expiration is a further loss. Then, they also have to compete with their competitors.
So while we commonly call these people ''resellers'' in the video game scene, they are more akin to scalpers/flippers. Resellers in the video game market do not really compete much, sellers will just copy the prices of other sellers or often inflate them even more - the opposite of competition. Aside from that, most full-time video game resellers have extremely high profit percentages (and not margins), since they can buy one game for 5-10$ and sell it for 20-100$. That's a lot different than stores that require a large of volume sales since the profit margin on income is much smaller all expenses included. Unless they are an actual business on ebay, resellers are solo or do it with the help of friends or unpaid contacts. So while grocery or electronic stores make goods readily available, at prices most consumers are willing to pay, the video game resellers will buy up all the good games and try to sell them over a longer period of time at marked-up prices, which makes games harder to find and not easier for video gamers. Whereas retail stores sell mostly new products that people cannot commonly find used/new locally or are not willing to buy outside of a store.
This is what I was planning to say in response to darkpersian's comment. You know the term "apples and oranges"? That comment was so far removed from "apples and oranges." It's more like apples and Volkswagens.
My two cents: it really depends on the person. If there's some greedy basement dweller that gets off by ripping people off, then they're scum. These are the people that ruin the fun in playing and buying video games. On the other hand, if someone found a game that they had no use for and wanted to make a trade or honest sale to supplement their collection, then it's all good.
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I have a big problem with people who try to jack the prices up regardless of condition and completeness. I"ve always believed in passing on the savings or good luck to others. That's why I don't try to rake people over the coals when I sell my games. It's why I've given away extras I have had or mailed manuals and inserts to folks here at no charge.
People who snatch things up to resell at an over-inflated price are jerks. I went to Target to get the Target Exclusive Funko Pop FN-2187 figure on the day that The Force Awakens was released. They were all gone. Most of the t-shirts were gone. There was only two of the Droid 3-packs left. So I get on eBay and here are a-holes with an auction listed with Qty 20+ of the Pop figures for $25 each when they were a hair over ten bucks at the store. Even worse for the Droid 3-pack where people were trying to get up to $100 in some cases for them.
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GF78, that's a community mentality. You don't sell at eBay prices because you're a good guy and it would also be frowned upon in any collector community. It would probably also keep people away-like black listing. :P
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GF78, that's a community mentality. You don't sell at eBay prices because you're a good guy and it would also be frowned upon in any collector community. It would probably also keep people away-like black listing. :P
Thanks for the compliment! I also sell online through eBay and use the same principles there. I try to list my games/items below "market value" and only consider my items to be "market value" if they are complete and not ratty condition. Items in less desirable condition, I discount them further accordingly.
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GF78, that's a community mentality. You don't sell at eBay prices because you're a good guy and it would also be frowned upon in any collector community. It would probably also keep people away-like black listing. :P
Thanks for the compliment! I also sell online through eBay and use the same principles there. I try to list my games/items below "market value" and only consider my items to be "market value" if they are complete and not ratty condition. Items in less desirable condition, I discount them further accordingly.
Yeah, I usually sell below market value. So much so that I've bought items and sold it for less over the years. Lost a couple hundred dollars I'm sure but what can you do.
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GF78, that's a community mentality. You don't sell at eBay prices because you're a good guy and it would also be frowned upon in any collector community. It would probably also keep people away-like black listing. :P
Thanks for the compliment! I also sell online through eBay and use the same principles there. I try to list my games/items below "market value" and only consider my items to be "market value" if they are complete and not ratty condition. Items in less desirable condition, I discount them further accordingly.
Yeah, I usually sell below market value. So much so that I've bought items and sold it for less over the years. Lost a couple hundred dollars I'm sure but what can you do.
When selling on eBay, I will tell you what really irks me. It's resellers trying to lowball me on my games. You know, you receive an offer for your item at less than half what you are asking which is already under market value. Then you see the username and it's something like "Jim's Game Emporium" that you follow to their own sales page of overpriced stuff. Just a week or so ago, I listed a brand-new, sealed mint condition copy of Mario Kart 8 for $39.95. I had jerks like "Jim's Game Emporium" making lowball offers like $15. You look at their page, the jerks are selling the same thing for $59.95.
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The very milk that you buy at the grocery is from a reseller so STOP complaining. It's called free market. If there is somewhere money to be made you should get it, otherwise your loss. The problem with today's society is that every one should have something that everyone else has at the launch. People are xxucking addicted and can't control themselves and take their credit cards and pay the crazy prices set buy the resellers/scalpers. Have they had a minute sense of intelligence and knew about supply and demand, they'd know that if they held their pee pee and didn't buy an item from a reseller at a value X, well over time, that said reseller, after seeing he/she is not able to move his/her products, they'd start marking down the prices (sometime up to 60% less). IDIOT-ADDICTED-BUYERS freaking are to be blamed, not someone who tries to make living out of flipping. I for example, missed my chance to preorder Demon's Souls Deluxe edition when it came out in 2009, then I saw the price sky rocket, why because stupid buyers were paying those stupid prices. So I waited. 7 Years later, last month I finally snatched one for the same price when it came out, in an absolute good condition. So, please, next time when you miss out on something, please, please, please control your impulse and xxucking wait. Don't inflate the prices, but if you do, the shut the hell up and stop putting the fault on reseller/scalpers.
P.S. I'm not a reseller as I have a wonderful job that pays very good.
You sound exactly like a scummy reseller, just because it isnt your full time carrier doesn't mean you arn't one. Your logic is fucked, just because you can make money doesn't mean you should. You slime ball.
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GF78, that's a community mentality. You don't sell at eBay prices because you're a good guy and it would also be frowned upon in any collector community. It would probably also keep people away-like black listing. :P
Thanks for the compliment! I also sell online through eBay and use the same principles there. I try to list my games/items below "market value" and only consider my items to be "market value" if they are complete and not ratty condition. Items in less desirable condition, I discount them further accordingly.
Yeah, I usually sell below market value. So much so that I've bought items and sold it for less over the years. Lost a couple hundred dollars I'm sure but what can you do.
When selling on eBay, I will tell you what really irks me. It's resellers trying to lowball me on my games. You know, you receive an offer for your item at less than half what you are asking which is already under market value. Then you see the username and it's something like "Jim's Game Emporium" that you follow to their own sales page of overpriced stuff. Just a week or so ago, I listed a brand-new, sealed mint condition copy of Mario Kart 8 for $39.95. I had jerks like "Jim's Game Emporium" making lowball offers like $15. You look at their page, the jerks are selling the same thing for $59.95.
Just recently someone tried low-balling me on a game that was already under priced and I was losing money on. The game was at $16.99, he wanted it for $10 shipped. That wasn't happening.
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The very milk that you buy at the grocery is from a reseller so STOP complaining. It's called free market. If there is somewhere money to be made you should get it, otherwise your loss. The problem with today's society is that every one should have something that everyone else has at the launch. People are xxucking addicted and can't control themselves and take their credit cards and pay the crazy prices set buy the resellers/scalpers. Have they had a minute sense of intelligence and knew about supply and demand, they'd know that if they held their pee pee and didn't buy an item from a reseller at a value X, well over time, that said reseller, after seeing he/she is not able to move his/her products, they'd start marking down the prices (sometime up to 60% less). IDIOT-ADDICTED-BUYERS freaking are to be blamed, not someone who tries to make living out of flipping. I for example, missed my chance to preorder Demon's Souls Deluxe edition when it came out in 2009, then I saw the price sky rocket, why because stupid buyers were paying those stupid prices. So I waited. 7 Years later, last month I finally snatched one for the same price when it came out, in an absolute good condition. So, please, next time when you miss out on something, please, please, please control your impulse and xxucking wait. Don't inflate the prices, but if you do, the shut the hell up and stop putting the fault on reseller/scalpers.
P.S. I'm not a reseller as I have a wonderful job that pays very good.
You sound exactly like a scummy reseller, just because it isnt your full time carrier doesn't mean you arn't one. Your logic is fucked, just because you can make money doesn't mean you should. You slime ball.
Watch the name calling.
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Resellers aren't to awesome but to be honest It's not about allot of money.
People can not live from this there just isn't enough. For retro stuff the demand is already high so if a reseller or a collector sells his item regardless of how the items are aquired the price will be the same. If one cuts a deal or sells for full price as long as there are people out there that want to pay for the item prices will stay high.
Also lose games are still pretty affordable. Pretty much all good games are only for cib the prices are really high but that would also be the case without any resellers since there aren't that many out there in nice shape.
The resellers I hate is for new stuff. Pre orders for certain games the amiibo hype those are the thing that are pretty annoying. I barely buy any games new these days but I've seen it happening and it *****. Especially since the resellers usually just only earn 5 or 10 box profit and we as buyers pay 5 or 10 box extra + the shipping costs. It's really annoying that people do this since people who want it pay way more while the profit is pretty much nothing at all.
It's annoying but It's not about to much money.
Also for people lowballing 50% of the time It's not a reseller, there are allot of cheap ass collectors/gamers out there who try to get games for as cheap as possible sometimes with offers of only a few bucks. It's pretty pointless since no one will take the effort to sell stuff to them. If you make an offer it should be a decent offer since else people will not take the effort to even ship it. i'm pretty sure resellers will not take the effort to offer such prices on not to expensive games.
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Yeah, if I'm able to-I'll usually make an offer for a couple dollars less than what they're asking for. They win and I win since they usually always accept.
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Yeah, if I'm able to-I'll usually make an offer for a couple dollars less than what they're asking for. They win and I win since they usually always accept.
Your not getting it.
I mean litterally making an offer of only a few dollars.
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Yeah, if I'm able to-I'll usually make an offer for a couple dollars less than what they're asking for. They win and I win since they usually always accept.
Your not getting it.
I mean litterally making an offer of only a few dollars.
No, I understand what you said and it's ridiculous but I was just answering to say how I usually do business on eBay. If I'm able to make an offer, I'll try going for a few dollars less than asking price.
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GF78, that's a community mentality. You don't sell at eBay prices because you're a good guy and it would also be frowned upon in any collector community. It would probably also keep people away-like black listing. :P
Thanks for the compliment! I also sell online through eBay and use the same principles there. I try to list my games/items below "market value" and only consider my items to be "market value" if they are complete and not ratty condition. Items in less desirable condition, I discount them further accordingly.
Yeah, I usually sell below market value. So much so that I've bought items and sold it for less over the years. Lost a couple hundred dollars I'm sure but what can you do.
When selling on eBay, I will tell you what really irks me. It's resellers trying to lowball me on my games. You know, you receive an offer for your item at less than half what you are asking which is already under market value. Then you see the username and it's something like "Jim's Game Emporium" that you follow to their own sales page of overpriced stuff. Just a week or so ago, I listed a brand-new, sealed mint condition copy of Mario Kart 8 for $39.95. I had jerks like "Jim's Game Emporium" making lowball offers like $15. You look at their page, the jerks are selling the same thing for $59.95.
Heard this happens at game cons a lot too. It's really corrupt. Vendors going around looking for under market value stuff from other vendors to buy them up and resell before the doors open. It's sad that even if someone wanted to sell their stuff cheap on eBay, it would prob go to resellers.
I'm not claiming to be all high and mighty, I just don't even sell, ever. But when I see stuff I already have, or don't want, I just don't buy it. Even if it's cheap. I have the will power to walk away from it. Not worth my time to trying to resell games. Could end up going to reseller. Even if I bought and sold for cheap, probably a reseller in disguise would buy it. Can't win. I just leave it.
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This is a real hot topic!
A few years ago, I would have been right there with y'all calling for resellers heads. It's time we let go of that.
There's not much out there in the wild anymore. The number of collectors is astronomical. People blame prices on resellers jacking up prices. That line of thinking only works on things people need. We don't need these games.
The real controlling factor is what collectors will pay. If you want to be pissed at someone, look around at the guy paying the high prices. He's what's driving the prices up.
Besides, aren't we all resellers? I've sold stuff to find the habit. Let's put that reseller hate aside and be done.
Now, scalpers on new stuff; well, I have a problem with.
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lol, the milk comment was just to say that how everything we buy is trough resellers, nothing more. It proves how SOME rigide minded people read the first sentence and they start shooting, how pathetic. To re-itterate my point: as long as all those self-acclaimed shelf collectors (who just started collecting after watching some youtube videos, and say to themselves ''oh I'm gonna INVEST in video games, because it's cool and when I get Snatcher CIB, then I'm gonna feel important''), pay those stupid, yet justified prices, the resellers/scalpers will continue to grow and prices will keep going up. It's not the Salvation Army, people will not give you cheap games out of pity. They went out and spent considerable amount of time to look for cheap desirable games. You cannot expect sitting home, don't put any effort and buy those games for cheap. So work for it or just go cure your addiction and impulse people. If a CE comes out and you didn't get it, DON'T go and pay the high price, wait, buy the Standard edition, and when the hype falls down you'll get your eye candy shelf-prize. Also if someone want to make money because they were on the balls and bought 10 of a desirable item (who are you to judge) and you missed on it, you can only blame yourself because the releasing company gave them the same chance than they gave you.
If you want the Premium, put the premium effort to get it at retail or pay the Premium, but if you paid the (stupid) Premium price (and indirectly helped increasing the value) then don't come back and complain.
P.s. to that person with apparently a very poor familial education, name calling me will not give you extra credit. It's a forum and I have the same rights to express my OPINION as you. Next time call your parents and ask them to teach you how to behave in the society.
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Food for thought.
The very milk that you buy at the grocery is from a reseller so STOP complaining. It's called free market. If there is somewhere money to be made you should get it, otherwise your loss. The problem with today's society is that every one should have something that everyone else has at the launch. People are xxucking addicted and can't control themselves and take their credit cards and pay the crazy prices set buy the resellers/scalpers. Have they had a minute sense of intelligence and knew about supply and demand, they'd know that if they held their pee pee and didn't buy an item from a reseller at a value X, well over time, that said reseller, after seeing he/she is not able to move his/her products, they'd start marking down the prices (sometime up to 60% less). IDIOT-ADDICTED-BUYERS freaking are to be blamed, not someone who tries to make living out of flipping. I for example, missed my chance to preorder Demon's Souls Deluxe edition when it came out in 2009, then I saw the price sky rocket, why because stupid buyers were paying those stupid prices. So I waited. 7 Years later, last month I finally snatched one for the same price when it came out, in an absolute good condition. So, please, next time when you miss out on something, please, please, please control your impulse and xxucking wait. Don't inflate the prices, but if you do, the shut the hell up and stop putting the fault on reseller/scalpers.
P.S. I'm not a reseller as I have a wonderful job that pays very good.
You sound exactly like a scummy reseller, just because it isnt your full time carrier doesn't mean you arn't one. Your logic is fucked, just because you can make money doesn't mean you should. You slime ball.
Watch the name calling.
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Yeah, I can understand frustration in some way, but I agree with thedarkpersion in some ways too. The buyer holds all the cards (unless it is genuinely a rare game).
A personal example for me just happened today.. I've been on the look out to by myself another copy of Star Fox 64. Great game, everybody knows that, and its not expensive because its not too hard to find. But all the shops near me have been price 20, 30, even 30+ for the cartridge alone! After seeing 2 or so of those prices I could've bought it, but that would've validated their price. I told myself I'd just let it sit there.
Today I found a copy with the manual and a free rumble pack for 12. I made the purchase. To me thats a great deal (I would've probably done 15 for the cart alone), but it makes my point.
Also, going back to the original poster's first comment, Smash Melee is not a great example because of the tournaments.. someone made that comment already, and they were dead on.
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Yeah, I can understand frustration in some way, but I agree with thedarkpersion in some ways too. The buyer holds all the cards (unless it is genuinely a rare game).
A personal example for me just happened today.. I've been on the look out to by myself another copy of Star Fox 64. Great game, everybody knows that, and its not expensive because its not too hard to find. But all the shops near me have been price 20, 30, even 30+ for the cartridge alone! After seeing 2 or so of those prices I could've bought it, but that would've validated their price. I told myself I'd just let it sit there.
Today I found a copy with the manual and a free rumble pack for 12. I made the purchase. To me thats a great deal (I would've probably done 15 for the cart alone), but it makes my point.
Also, going back to the original poster's first comment, Smash Melee is not a great example because of the tournaments.. someone made that comment already, and they were dead on.
I agree with the tournament idea too from an aspect of the resellers manipulating the people that run those tournaments into paying more, because they need the games and have to pay whatever they ask. So the price will climb because resellers know its a hot game. But I am not sure if you guys mean that the game is actually rarer or worth that much because of the abundance of tournaments buying the game. That I wouldn't necessarily agree with. Because Marvel Vs Capcom and Marvel Vs Capcom 2 have always been pretty hot tournament games too, and not to mention they are very much rarer. Yet they still cost at least 10 dollars less. Mostly because the demand from common folk on marvel isn't nearly as high as people who want or need smash. All the tournements could combine and buy 25,000 copies of smash and their would be still be plenty in the wild but resellers know they could ask 100 and get it if they wanted because of the game it is. I see it so often. It upsets me because I remember when smash melee was 15 bucks in the bins and such. Before cube was collectible and retro. Not all that long ago either. maybe 6 years ago. It was always super common and still is. And If we don't want to use Smash Melee as the example we can use windwaker or Mario kart double dash too. almost any cube game that people really want they can drive the price super high. Mario kart sold 7 million copies and is 40 dollars right now. It was like 30 last year. its crazy how fast they inflate the prices. Because collectors need those games so those get put super high and we have to pay it or tough luck. It really sucks.
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This is a real hot topic!
A few years ago, I would have been right there with y'all calling for resellers heads. It's time we let go of that.
There's not much out there in the wild anymore. The number of collectors is astronomical. People blame prices on resellers jacking up prices. That line of thinking only works on things people need. We don't need these games.
The real controlling factor is what collectors will pay. If you want to be pissed at someone, look around at the guy paying the high prices. He's what's driving the prices up.
Besides, aren't we all resellers? I've sold stuff to find the habit. Let's put that reseller hate aside and be done.
Now, scalpers on new stuff; well, I have a problem with.
Totally true too, The only way to ever conquer the resellers is for the collectors to ban together and say "Mario Bros 3 isn't worth 30 bucks" But it is so hard sometimes, because collectors really want the game and don't want to wait and sometimes the wait feels endless because the price never drops. they only go up. I am a buy it now bill sometimes too. I pay retail a lot and I am part of the problem. But when you want a game now a days you have 2 options. 1. Wait 2 years until you get lucky and find it cheap randomly in the wild or 2. Pay what they ask so you can play and enjoy the games you love now and not have to wait. And most people pick option 2. because they really love the game and miss it and get the nostalgia feels. and I cant blame collectors too much for that. I still gotta hold blame on the reseller in that situation. Collectors are driven by passion, resellers are driven by money that they make off our passion. That's why I think I decided today that aside from new releases or thrift stores I will never buy a game from now on from a non collector. If I want a game, I am going to ask collectors until someone has it and help a real collector instead of a snake. that is the best way to save the community. Collector to collector transactions. And also if a collector sells something to fund his collection, like something he had but don't want. that is different. I mean someone who deliberately goes looking for super cheap games and buys them with the strict intent to flip them for way more. A collector selling a double, or something he doesn't want isn't the same because he didn't buy it just to flip it.
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This is a real hot topic!
A few years ago, I would have been right there with y'all calling for resellers heads. It's time we let go of that.
There's not much out there in the wild anymore. The number of collectors is astronomical. People blame prices on resellers jacking up prices. That line of thinking only works on things people need. We don't need these games.
The real controlling factor is what collectors will pay. If you want to be pissed at someone, look around at the guy paying the high prices. He's what's driving the prices up.
Besides, aren't we all resellers? I've sold stuff to find the habit. Let's put that reseller hate aside and be done.
Now, scalpers on new stuff; well, I have a problem with.
Totally true too, The only way to ever conquer the resellers is for the collectors to ban together and say "Mario Bros 3 isn't worth 30 bucks" But it is so hard sometimes, because collectors really want the game and don't want to wait and sometimes the wait feels endless because the price never drops. they only go up. I am a buy it now bill sometimes too. I pay retail a lot and I am part of the problem.
collectors don't usually pay 30 box for mario bros 3. It's usually the fault of the gamer or some guy who wants his nostalgia back. For the last group of people you cannot tell them to wait for a cheaper copy since they are just starting.
The only fault that collectors have for high prices is for cib stuff of the more rare games. And for factory sealed stuff It's just insane. Only for high in stuff the collector is the blame, for cheap affordable stuff it is the gamer not the collector.
I never pay retail as a collector It's usually the gamer. Only if something is hard to get I might pay allot more.