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Title: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: dreama1 on September 18, 2014, 08:51:54 pm
crappiest system you ever owned?
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Post by: bikingjahuty on September 18, 2014, 10:14:44 pm
I have never owned a crappy system, but in terms of quality that would be the XBOX 360. My original 360 Elite quite reading disks about a year and a half after owning it, and then after fixing it, it went RRoD on me 3-months later. Very low quality system, I'm surprised there wasn't a class action lawsuit against MS.
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Post by: davifus on September 18, 2014, 10:23:24 pm
I have never owned a crappy system, but in terms of quality that would be the XBOX 360. My original 360 Elite quite reading disks about a year and a half after owning it, and then after fixing it, it went RRoD on me 3-months later. Very low quality system, I'm surprised there wasn't a class action lawsuit against MS.
I had my 360 pro since 08 and it never failed or RROD on my me soooo it could of been you or that specific console.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: burningdoom on September 18, 2014, 10:26:55 pm
I know this is gonna sound like blasphemy to the really old schoolers, but I'm gonna say it anyways:
Atari 2600
The joystick is a pain in the butt (luckily Sega Genesis controllers can fix this problem), terrible graphics, incredibly repetitive and dull gameplay, and some horrendous sounds come out of that machine.
I do appreciate it's place in gaming history, however. Without it we wouldn't be where we're at now with home consoles. I just don't find it fun to play.
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Post by: davifus on September 18, 2014, 10:28:41 pm
Atari 2600/5200 & ETC - I dont own it because I dont want it because I can't comprehend the system.
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Post by: maximo310 on September 18, 2014, 11:23:30 pm
Not really an actual system, but I owned a psp ripoff- the popstation. Those bulit in games were terrible and it broke within 3 months. Thankfully I got it for free, so no buyer's remorse on that purchase.
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Post by: kingrat101 on September 19, 2014, 01:23:42 am
The Atari Jaguar, it's neat to have as a collector but damn here is nothing to play on that piece of junk.
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Post by: desocietas on September 19, 2014, 02:07:01 am
OUYA. I've yet to make myself download anything on that thing...
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Post by: Bwigdahl on September 19, 2014, 02:19:53 am
I remember it was actually kind of cool when I got it (I was probably 10 or so) but it was damn near impossible to play it on that damn rollin' rocker wannabe ass snowboard. Like I said, when I got it, I thought it was kinda cool and just challenging, but now that I know a little bit better I realize it was just a steaming piece of shit lol
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Post by: dreama1 on September 19, 2014, 09:59:56 am
I remember it was actually kind of cool when I got it (I was probably 10 or so) but it was damn near impossible to play it on that damn rollin' rocker wannabe ass snowboard. Like I said, when I got it, I thought it was kinda cool and just challenging, but now that I know a little bit better I realize it was just a steaming piece of shit lol
What the hell is that? A penis enlarger?
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: dreama1 on September 19, 2014, 10:02:38 am
I know this is gonna sound like blasphemy to the really old schoolers, but I'm gonna say it anyways:
Atari 2600
The joystick is a pain in the butt (luckily Sega Genesis controllers can fix this problem), terrible graphics, incredibly repetitive and dull gameplay, and some horrendous sounds come out of that machine.
I do appreciate it's place in gaming history, however. Without it we wouldn't be where we're at now with home consoles. I just don't find it fun to play.
Guess you not seen the intellivision controller. The atari 2600 is angel dust compared to that one.
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Post by: badATchaos on September 19, 2014, 10:16:59 am
As much as I like the SNES-101 (model 2 SNES) for it's exterior design, the thing is really cheap. Plastic feels like it would just crack and shatter to pieces if it was dropped. The power switches are also known for becoming "mushy" and sometimes stop working altogether. They're basically held together with nothing but friction. As you thrash the switch about over time the module will bend and eventually the bottom falls out. I bought one with this issue and ended up throwing out the old one and connecting a different switch.
Another Nintendo blunder is the Virtual Boy. Not only was it a critical and commercial failure the thing was physically a piece of crap too. ;) The biggest design mistake with the device was the the ribbon cables connecting the motherboard to each display. Instead of using solder to secure it they opted to just use GLUE! Note that the two displays need to move around so over time the glue looses its grip (not to mention that glue dries out) and finally breaks away from the display PCB completely, thus loosing picture. Before it completely stops working a common issue is long vertical lines appearing on the screen breaking up the image. -This is similar to the Game Boy vertical line issue.
(http://i.imgur.com/Kkr82tK.jpg)
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Post by: tripredacus on September 19, 2014, 10:49:06 am
The first thing that comes to mind is the Neo Geo Pocket Color. I think it is due to when I got it, which was recently. The lack of a back-light screen is what kills it for me. I know it can be modded to have one by using an Advance SP screen, but I don't want to go through that trouble. Now if I had gotten this when it came out, things might be different. For example, I liked the Gameboy when it was new, even though I also had a Game Gear. Concerning portables, only the Game Gear and Game Boy Advance SP (to a lesser extent, the Nomad but I don't use) are the ones for me. The original Gameboy is fine but it gets a pass because you can play the games on either the Advance SP or the Super GameBoy/Color add-on for SNES.
I'm not considering computers like the Timex Sinclair 1000, which I was trying to get for some time only to be disappointed by it and its capabilities once I got one.
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Post by: burningdoom on September 19, 2014, 11:53:21 am
The first thing that comes to mind is the Neo Geo Pocket Color. I think it is due to when I got it, which was recently. The lack of a back-light screen is what kills it for me. I know it can be modded to have one by using an Advance SP screen, but I don't want to go through that trouble. Now if I had gotten this when it came out, things might be different. For example, I liked the Gameboy when it was new, even though I also had a Game Gear. Concerning portables, only the Game Gear and Game Boy Advance SP (to a lesser extent, the Nomad but I don't use) are the ones for me. The original Gameboy is fine but it gets a pass because you can play the games on either the Advance SP or the Super GameBoy/Color add-on for SNES.
I'm not considering computers like the Timex Sinclair 1000, which I was trying to get for some time only to be disappointed by it and its capabilities once I got one.
I thought it was a great system. And the screen was the best and clearest non-lit screen I've ever used. It's not nearly as dark and murky as the original Game Boy or Game Boy Color was. And the clicky thumbstick was really cool.
My big complaint was the small game library. After I rushed through the fighting games (because it's not like you can play 2-player), then finished Sonic Pocket Adventure and the 2 Metal Slugs; there wasn't much left.
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Post by: dashv on September 19, 2014, 11:53:54 am
I have never owned a crappy system, but in terms of quality that would be the XBOX 360. My original 360 Elite quite reading disks about a year and a half after owning it, and then after fixing it, it went RRoD on me 3-months later. Very low quality system, I'm surprised there wasn't a class action lawsuit against MS.
I had my 360 pro since 08 and it never failed or RROD on my me soooo it could of been you or that specific console.
You are the first person I have ever known that only had 1 360 and no problem with it.
The 20 other people I know are on their second or 3rd. One is on his fourth. The failure rate was something like 28%. It got so bad there almost was a class action lawsuit. But before it gained steam Microsoft retroactively expanded their warrantee time period to appease those affected.
This is the main reason I never have and may never own an XBox 360.
Supposedly the black models are better about not overheating but I don't know anyone with the black model.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: burningdoom on September 19, 2014, 11:55:50 am
I have never owned a crappy system, but in terms of quality that would be the XBOX 360. My original 360 Elite quite reading disks about a year and a half after owning it, and then after fixing it, it went RRoD on me 3-months later. Very low quality system, I'm surprised there wasn't a class action lawsuit against MS.
I had my 360 pro since 08 and it never failed or RROD on my me soooo it could of been you or that specific console.
You are the first person I have ever known that only had 1 360 and no problem with it.
The 20 other people I know are on their second or 3rd. One is on his fourth. The failure rate was something like 28%. It got so bad there almost was a class action lawsuit. But before it gained steam Microsoft retroactively expanded their warrantee time period to appease those affected.
There was definitely a big failure rate. I remember how many people were pissed, and it was the main reason they released the sleeker, revised 360.
However, I've been lucky enough to still have my original 360. It still runs great. My only issue is that the disc-tray will get stuck if I don't have a disc in it, but that's easy enough to fix by keeping a game in there.
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Post by: dreama1 on September 19, 2014, 11:56:26 am
I have never owned a crappy system, but in terms of quality that would be the XBOX 360. My original 360 Elite quite reading disks about a year and a half after owning it, and then after fixing it, it went RRoD on me 3-months later. Very low quality system, I'm surprised there wasn't a class action lawsuit against MS.
I had my 360 pro since 08 and it never failed or RROD on my me soooo it could of been you or that specific console.
Yes mine broke as well. Had a dust cover for it and everything. Never buying there products anymore. You are the first person I have ever known that only had 1 360 and no problem with it.
The 20 other people I know are on their second or 3rd. One is on his fourth. The failure rate was something like 28%. It got so bad there almost was a class action lawsuit. But before it gained steam Microsoft retroactively expanded their warrantee time period to appease those affected.
This is the main reason I never have and may never own an XBox 360.
Yes mine broke as well treated it very well had a dust cover and everything. Never buying there products again.
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Post by: mastafafik on September 19, 2014, 12:23:20 pm
Tiger R-Zone is the crappiest one for me. Screen, controller, games... all sucks!
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Post by: davifus on September 19, 2014, 12:26:56 pm
I have never owned a crappy system, but in terms of quality that would be the XBOX 360. My original 360 Elite quite reading disks about a year and a half after owning it, and then after fixing it, it went RRoD on me 3-months later. Very low quality system, I'm surprised there wasn't a class action lawsuit against MS.
I had my 360 pro since 08 and it never failed or RROD on my me soooo it could of been you or that specific console.
You are the first person I have ever known that only had 1 360 and no problem with it.
The 20 other people I know are on their second or 3rd. One is on his fourth. The failure rate was something like 28%. It got so bad there almost was a class action lawsuit. But before it gained steam Microsoft retroactively expanded their warrantee time period to appease those affected.
This is the main reason I never have and may never own an XBox 360.
Supposedly the black models are better about not overheating but I don't know anyone with the black model.
I guess Im part of that 1% and do you mean the Elite?
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Post by: burningdoom on September 19, 2014, 12:49:31 pm
I have never owned a crappy system, but in terms of quality that would be the XBOX 360. My original 360 Elite quite reading disks about a year and a half after owning it, and then after fixing it, it went RRoD on me 3-months later. Very low quality system, I'm surprised there wasn't a class action lawsuit against MS.
I had my 360 pro since 08 and it never failed or RROD on my me soooo it could of been you or that specific console.
Yes mine broke as well. Had a dust cover for it and everything. Never buying there products anymore. You are the first person I have ever known that only had 1 360 and no problem with it.
The 20 other people I know are on their second or 3rd. One is on his fourth. The failure rate was something like 28%. It got so bad there almost was a class action lawsuit. But before it gained steam Microsoft retroactively expanded their warrantee time period to appease those affected.
This is the main reason I never have and may never own an XBox 360.
Yes mine broke as well treated it very well had a dust cover and everything. Never buying there products again.
The dust-cover probably exasperated the problem. Overheating was the main-culprit of 360 failures.
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Post by: dreama1 on September 19, 2014, 01:03:44 pm
I have never owned a crappy system, but in terms of quality that would be the XBOX 360. My original 360 Elite quite reading disks about a year and a half after owning it, and then after fixing it, it went RRoD on me 3-months later. Very low quality system, I'm surprised there wasn't a class action lawsuit against MS.
I had my 360 pro since 08 and it never failed or RROD on my me soooo it could of been you or that specific console.
Yes mine broke as well. Had a dust cover for it and everything. Never buying there products anymore. You are the first person I have ever known that only had 1 360 and no problem with it.
The 20 other people I know are on their second or 3rd. One is on his fourth. The failure rate was something like 28%. It got so bad there almost was a class action lawsuit. But before it gained steam Microsoft retroactively expanded their warrantee time period to appease those affected.
This is the main reason I never have and may never own an XBox 360.
Yes mine broke as well treated it very well had a dust cover and everything. Never buying there products again.
The dust-cover probably exasperated the problem. Overheating was the main-culprit of 360 failures.
Yeah but dust also fucks it.
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Post by: desocietas on September 19, 2014, 02:39:21 pm
I have never owned a crappy system, but in terms of quality that would be the XBOX 360. My original 360 Elite quite reading disks about a year and a half after owning it, and then after fixing it, it went RRoD on me 3-months later. Very low quality system, I'm surprised there wasn't a class action lawsuit against MS.
I had my 360 pro since 08 and it never failed or RROD on my me soooo it could of been you or that specific console.
You are the first person I have ever known that only had 1 360 and no problem with it.
The 20 other people I know are on their second or 3rd. One is on his fourth. The failure rate was something like 28%. It got so bad there almost was a class action lawsuit. But before it gained steam Microsoft retroactively expanded their warrantee time period to appease those affected.
This is the main reason I never have and may never own an XBox 360.
Supposedly the black models are better about not overheating but I don't know anyone with the black model.
I've had mine for about that long, I believe, and it's been fine *knock on wood*. I bought it for Rock Band when it came out, so that was probably back in 2007 or '08. I used to use it a lot more back in the day, but it's been more of a giant paperweight for the last few years.
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Post by: maximo310 on September 19, 2014, 02:42:16 pm
Overheating pretty much sealed all of the original xbox 360's fates, since microsoft decided to create their own gpu after severing ties with nvidia. What resulted from this( and this can happen on the original ps3 models because of bad placing of thermal paste, thanks to dashv's research) is that the heat dispersed from the gpu can't be negated by the internal system fans and eats away at the solder, causing the system to overtime becomes hotter in temperature until it overheats the rest of the components inside, which causes a general hardware failure and that infamous "Red Ring of Death"( or YYLOD in the original ps3 models). It may also have to do with bad soldering in the system, or using kinect with the older xbox's, but the 360 has lots of technical problems with its system, that sticking with the newer models seems to be the best bet at getting around the problems, although this could cause price spikes in the future if people really want the system but there are going to be way too many faulty consoles out there that can't be used for a long period of time thanks to its problems.
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Post by: byron on September 19, 2014, 04:02:19 pm
Tiger R-Zone is the crappiest one for me. Screen, controller, games... all sucks!
I can think of something nice to say about every other system I own that's notorious for being awful.
The 3DO has a disgraceful library and it looks like a VCR, but it was well built and powerful for its time and it had that cool controller daisy-chaining feature.
The Microvision is a terrible brown failure brick, but I am impressed by the games they managed to create with 256 monochrome pixels.
The CD-i has given us all the gift of laughter. Is that not enough?
But the R-Zone... That thing is just indefensible. Especially the head strap one; it's like an insane nightmare. I have to give it to R-Zone, there is nothing worse.
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Post by: burningdoom on September 19, 2014, 07:54:45 pm
Tiger R-Zone is the crappiest one for me. Screen, controller, games... all sucks!
I can think of something nice to say about every other system I own that's notorious for being awful.
The 3DO has a disgraceful library and it looks like a VCR, but it was well built and powerful for its time and it had that cool controller daisy-chaining feature.
The Microvision is a terrible brown failure brick, but I am impressed by the games they managed to create with 256 monochrome pixels.
The CD-i has given us all the gift of laughter. Is that not enough?
But the R-Zone... That thing is just indefensible. Especially the head strap one; it's like an insane nightmare. I have to give it to R-Zone, there is nothing worse.
I'll take that challenge:
I give you the Game Wizard:
It's a handheld, that played different Tiger LCD games, as if one of them wasn't bad enough. This is pre-Game.Com, so even crappier, if you can imagine. This is like watch-LCD graphics; and of course Tiger's infamously bad game-design.
When I was a kid, I had the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers-themed one seen here:
But no matter what theme you had, it played all the different games. So I guess it had that going for it, at least. It could play multiple crappy games.
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Post by: byron on September 19, 2014, 09:13:26 pm
That Game Wizard thing looks to be functionally identical to the R-Zone. They both had cartridges with transparent LCD screens in them, only the R-Zone's were smaller and were projected onto a reflective surface to be visible.
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Post by: turf on September 20, 2014, 01:15:17 am
I have never owned a crappy system, but in terms of quality that would be the XBOX 360. My original 360 Elite quite reading disks about a year and a half after owning it, and then after fixing it, it went RRoD on me 3-months later. Very low quality system, I'm surprised there wasn't a class action lawsuit against MS.
I had my 360 pro since 08 and it never failed or RROD on my me soooo it could of been you or that specific console.
You are the first person I have ever known that only had 1 360 and no problem with it.
The 20 other people I know are on their second or 3rd. One is on his fourth. The failure rate was something like 28%. It got so bad there almost was a class action lawsuit. But before it gained steam Microsoft retroactively expanded their warrantee time period to appease those affected.
This is the main reason I never have and may never own an XBox 360.
Supposedly the black models are better about not overheating but I don't know anyone with the black model.
I'm on #4
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Post by: bikingjahuty on September 20, 2014, 02:24:39 am
I have never owned a crappy system, but in terms of quality that would be the XBOX 360. My original 360 Elite quite reading disks about a year and a half after owning it, and then after fixing it, it went RRoD on me 3-months later. Very low quality system, I'm surprised there wasn't a class action lawsuit against MS.
I had my 360 pro since 08 and it never failed or RROD on my me soooo it could of been you or that specific console.
Pretty sure the original 360 has a very high failure rate. If yours still works then you are one of the lucky ones. I have a slim now and it has worked fine thus far.
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Post by: shwabadi on September 20, 2014, 10:55:38 am
Unfortunately, my Master System II... The controller is god awful and the pause button is on the actual console. Who designed this thing?? Not to mention 90% of the games for it seem like dumbed down versions of Mega Drive games.
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Post by: burningdoom on September 20, 2014, 12:08:33 pm
Unfortunately, my Master System II... The controller is god awful and the pause button is on the actual console. Who designed this thing?? Not to mention 90% of the games for it seem like dumbed down versions of Mega Drive games.
Well the Master System is only 8-bit vs. the 16-bit Mega Drive, so that would be why they seemed dumbed-down. But I wouldn't say it was 90%. There were some Sega Genesis ports on the Master System, but they only account for a fraction of Master System's library.
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Post by: shwabadi on September 20, 2014, 01:02:50 pm
Yeah but even on an 8-bit level, there aren't many games that much up to the NES's library. I'll admit it has a handful of really good games like Bubble Bobble and stuff, but it's just everything else about the console that makes me dislike it. The Controller, the pause button placement, even the on/off switch. It doesn't have any LEDs so I have no idea if its on or off sometimes! It might seem like a small complaint but it bothers me :(
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Post by: byron on September 20, 2014, 04:05:50 pm
Wonder Boy III lets you use the second player controller as a start button so you can sit away from the console. I don't know if other games did that, and it's admittedly still kinda dumb, but it's something.
You can use a Genesis controller on the Master System if you hate the original controllers.
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Post by: burningdoom on September 20, 2014, 04:13:57 pm
Back then, though, having the pause button on the console was a relatively new thing. A LOT of pre-NES consoles had the pause button on the console itself, including the most popular pre-NES system: Atari 2600.
So for being 1986, it really wasn't strange at all having the pause button on the system. Pain in the butt? Yeah, in retrospect. They just were right behind the changing times.
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Post by: kamikazekeeg on September 20, 2014, 05:31:39 pm
I have actually been pretty lucky with my 360. I had one for a couple years until the disk drive went out on it so I replaced it with an Arcade version after that it's been working for years. Technically I had worse issues with the PS2. I had the earliest ones and right away, it began to almost literally eat dvd's and games. It would play them, but start grinding into the disks. I lost a dvd and game because of that. I sent it in and they replaced the game and movie for me. Then it had this loud whirring sound, so sent it back again and then the replacement after that worked great. They may have had issues, but Sony had great service then.
If I had to be honest, the NES was probably the crappiest for its obvious issues. I had one given to me as a kid and was probably a few years old by then, but I remember always having to deal with games not working right on it. Sure it was second hand, but I don't remember having to deal with as many issues as with that one.
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Post by: thecrypticodor on September 20, 2014, 05:58:06 pm
The original model GBA. How completely dark and unviewable those screens are is ridiculous. You literally need to play the thing directly under a lamp just to make out anything. How Nintendo looked at that and thought yeah that would be acceptable is mind boggling.
Back then, though, having the pause button on the console was a relatively new thing. A LOT of pre-NES consoles had the pause button on the console itself, including the most popular pre-NES system: Atari 2600.
So for being 1986, it really wasn't strange at all having the pause button on the system. Pain in the butt? Yeah, in retrospect. They just were right behind the changing times.
The 2600 didn't have any pause option. Although a few games used the Color/BW switch to pause. The Intellivision is the earliest console that I can think off to have not only a pause option but one that is triggerable with the controller. Pressing either 1+9 or 3+7 on the keypad will pause most Intellivision games.
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Post by: burningdoom on September 20, 2014, 06:08:41 pm
The original model GBA. How completely dark and unviewable those screens are is ridiculous. You literally need to play the thing directly under a lamp just to make out anything. How Nintendo looked at that and thought yeah that would be acceptable is mind boggling.
Back then, though, having the pause button on the console was a relatively new thing. A LOT of pre-NES consoles had the pause button on the console itself, including the most popular pre-NES system: Atari 2600.
So for being 1986, it really wasn't strange at all having the pause button on the system. Pain in the butt? Yeah, in retrospect. They just were right behind the changing times.
The 2600 didn't have any pause option. Although a few games used the Color/BW switch to pause. The Intellivision is the earliest console that I can think off to have not only a pause option but one that is triggerable with the controller. Pressing either 1+9 or 3+7 on the keypad will pause most Intellivision games.
I could have sworn my old Atari 2600 Jr. I used to have had a pause button on it, but I just went to post a pic of one them here, and your right, it doesn't. I have the old wood-grain model, now, with the old metal-switches.
But my pong unit, named the Wonder Wizard, has the pause button on the console.
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Post by: byron on September 20, 2014, 06:39:20 pm
How Nintendo looked at that and thought yeah that would be acceptable is mind boggling.
It was a compromise. Since it used AAs, it could have either a back light or a battery life of over an hour. Why they didn't go with a Li-ion battery in the first place I will never know.
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Pressing either 1+9 or 3+7 on the keypad will pause most Intellivision games.
I learned something today.
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Post by: desocietas on September 20, 2014, 09:28:39 pm
The original model GBA. How completely dark and unviewable those screens are is ridiculous. You literally need to play the thing directly under a lamp just to make out anything. How Nintendo looked at that and thought yeah that would be acceptable is mind boggling.
Aw man, I loved my original GBA... that thing was durable and had cool little accessories for tiny lamps to light up your weird screen. But once you had the right setup for playing, I sank so many hours into Pokemon Pinball, Harvest Moon, Golden Sun, etc...
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Post by: theflea on September 21, 2014, 05:34:35 am
Hands down worst gaming system ever is the Tiger R-Zone. And yes I own one. ::)
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Post by: badATchaos on September 21, 2014, 09:14:41 am
I never had a big issue with visability on my GBA. I always sat near a window and that was good enough. Back then I didn't really care if the whites were white and if the picture was perfect. After being spoiled from lit displays it is kind of hard to go back. Overall I actually prefer the original over the SP or Micro because of it's ergonomics.
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Post by: bikingjahuty on September 21, 2014, 11:45:22 am
I have actually been pretty lucky with my 360. I had one for a couple years until the disk drive went out on it so I replaced it with an Arcade version after that it's been working for years. Technically I had worse issues with the PS2. I had the earliest ones and right away, it began to almost literally eat dvd's and games. It would play them, but start grinding into the disks. I lost a dvd and game because of that. I sent it in and they replaced the game and movie for me. Then it had this loud whirring sound, so sent it back again and then the replacement after that worked great. They may have had issues, but Sony had great service then.
If I had to be honest, the NES was probably the crappiest for its obvious issues. I had one given to me as a kid and was probably a few years old by then, but I remember always having to deal with games not working right on it. Sure it was second hand, but I don't remember having to deal with as many issues as with that one.
The PS2 is another system I've had some serious issues with over the years, mostly because of the poor disk laser they used in the CD Drive. My launch PS2 gradually quite reading disks about 10-months after I got it, and less then a year after that it would not read any. Bought another Fat PS2, this one lasted about 3-years before the laser quite. My original slim has lasted about 6-years, but struggles to read PS1 games which I fear will eventually turn into issues with DVD-format games/movies. It's really too bad because the PS2 is one of my favorite consoles.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: burningdoom on September 21, 2014, 12:21:05 pm
I have actually been pretty lucky with my 360. I had one for a couple years until the disk drive went out on it so I replaced it with an Arcade version after that it's been working for years. Technically I had worse issues with the PS2. I had the earliest ones and right away, it began to almost literally eat dvd's and games. It would play them, but start grinding into the disks. I lost a dvd and game because of that. I sent it in and they replaced the game and movie for me. Then it had this loud whirring sound, so sent it back again and then the replacement after that worked great. They may have had issues, but Sony had great service then.
If I had to be honest, the NES was probably the crappiest for its obvious issues. I had one given to me as a kid and was probably a few years old by then, but I remember always having to deal with games not working right on it. Sure it was second hand, but I don't remember having to deal with as many issues as with that one.
The PS2 is another system I've had some serious issues with over the years, mostly because of the poor disk laser they used in the CD Drive. My launch PS2 gradually quite reading disks about 10-months after I got it, and less then a year after that it would not read any. Bought another Fat PS2, this one lasted about 3-years before the laser quite. My original slim has lasted about 6-years, but struggles to read PS1 games which I fear will eventually turn into issues with DVD-format games/movies. It's really too bad because the PS2 is one of my favorite consoles.
Me too. I went through two fat models before getting my current slim model which I've had no problems with (knocks on wood).
I also went through an original XBox that I had to replace. And my Sega CD laser went out (never bothered to replace it). Funny, though, my original PlayStation and Saturn still run like champs.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: davifus on September 21, 2014, 02:42:31 pm
I have actually been pretty lucky with my 360. I had one for a couple years until the disk drive went out on it so I replaced it with an Arcade version after that it's been working for years. Technically I had worse issues with the PS2. I had the earliest ones and right away, it began to almost literally eat dvd's and games. It would play them, but start grinding into the disks. I lost a dvd and game because of that. I sent it in and they replaced the game and movie for me. Then it had this loud whirring sound, so sent it back again and then the replacement after that worked great. They may have had issues, but Sony had great service then.
If I had to be honest, the NES was probably the crappiest for its obvious issues. I had one given to me as a kid and was probably a few years old by then, but I remember always having to deal with games not working right on it. Sure it was second hand, but I don't remember having to deal with as many issues as with that one.
The PS2 is another system I've had some serious issues with over the years, mostly because of the poor disk laser they used in the CD Drive. My launch PS2 gradually quite reading disks about 10-months after I got it, and less then a year after that it would not read any. Bought another Fat PS2, this one lasted about 3-years before the laser quite. My original slim has lasted about 6-years, but struggles to read PS1 games which I fear will eventually turn into issues with DVD-format games/movies. It's really too bad because the PS2 is one of my favorite consoles.
I never had any problems with my PS2 Fat. I got it at 2000 little bit after launch and it never had any disc problem or any problems. It's 14 years old and going strong.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: desocietas on September 21, 2014, 07:43:15 pm
I've been through a few PS2s but not because any of them failed - they kept getting stolen! But friends would always find that they never played their PS2s and would just give theirs to me after that happened.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: davifus on September 21, 2014, 08:34:11 pm
I've been through a few PS2s but not because any of them failed - they kept getting stolen! But friends would always find that they never played their PS2s and would just give theirs to me after that happened.
Stolen? Do you carry your PS2 around or something?
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: desocietas on September 21, 2014, 08:52:03 pm
I've been through a few PS2s but not because any of them failed - they kept getting stolen! But friends would always find that they never played their PS2s and would just give theirs to me after that happened.
Stolen? Do you carry your PS2 around or something?
Haha, I used to, actually, but no. Just burglaries, etc.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: Warmsignal on September 23, 2014, 01:37:43 am
In terms of value, availability, and fun games, the Jaguar sadly. Some consoles were commercial failures for good reason.
In terms of build quality, NES front loader.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: turf on September 23, 2014, 04:20:48 am
In terms of value, availability, and fun games, the Jaguar sadly. Some consoles were commercial failures for good reason.
In terms of build quality, NES front loader.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's just stop this noise right there. You're going to tell me that the NES front loader, toaster, or NES-001 is crappy build quality? You've seen those things, right? Mine still works flawlessly 28 years later.
I've had a bunch of those things pass through my hands, and I've never had one be beyond fixing. By fixing I mean bending the pins back into place. No solder, no new parts, just bending the pins back and cleaning.
Compare that to disc based systems. They will all be dead, but that brave little toaster will still be toasting along.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: kamikazekeeg on September 23, 2014, 05:40:30 am
In terms of value, availability, and fun games, the Jaguar sadly. Some consoles were commercial failures for good reason.
In terms of build quality, NES front loader.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's just stop this noise right there. You're going to tell me that the NES front loader, toaster, or NES-001 is crappy build quality? You've seen those things, right? Mine still works flawlessly 28 years later.
I've had a bunch of those things pass through my hands, and I've never had one be beyond fixing. By fixing I mean bending the pins back into place. No solder, no new parts, just bending the pins back and cleaning.
Compare that to disc based systems. They will all be dead, but that brave little toaster will still be toasting along.
Not sure I'd say that the NES's ability to be constantly fixed means it has good build quality. I've never once in my entire life came across an NES that didn't require some sort of work to get a game running and I had mine which was barely a couple years old when I got it. I certainly agree in it's lasting power, but not surprising with something as bare bones as the NES lol
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: byron on September 23, 2014, 11:57:57 am
Not sure I'd say that the NES's ability to be constantly fixed means it has good build quality. I've never once in my entire life came across an NES that didn't require some sort of work to get a game running
I think that's exactly what that means. Saying that the NES rarely falls into a state of deterioration from which it is irreparable makes a fairly direct implication of good build quality.
Nine and a half times out of ten, if you're having trouble getting a NES game to run, it's not the console's fault; the game is dirty. Even a worn-out toaster with badly bent pins will run games pretty reliably as long as they're properly cleaned.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: burningdoom on September 23, 2014, 01:23:04 pm
Not sure I'd say that the NES's ability to be constantly fixed means it has good build quality. I've never once in my entire life came across an NES that didn't require some sort of work to get a game running
I think that's exactly what that means. Saying that the NES rarely falls into a state of deterioration from which it is irreparable makes a fairly direct implication of good build quality.
Nine and a half times out of ten, if you're having trouble getting a NES game to run, it's not the console's fault; the game is dirty. Even a worn-out toaster with badly bent pins will run games pretty reliably as long as they're properly cleaned.
Yeah, right. There's a lot more going on in an NES than just dirty games. The constant pushing up and down on the game cartridges (as the system was designed) wears on the pins. There's a lock-out chip in the NES that was designed to keep pirate games from working, that often stops working quite right and also makes the blinkies. And it's not just because the system is 25 years old, I had the same blinkies problem with my NES in the late 80s/early 90s.
The NES was most-definitely a system that was poorly designed, functionally. But there is a reason behind that. Nintendo was trying to sell the U.S. on a game system. Except the U.S. had been in the middle of the video game crash of the 80s and retailers weren't very accepting of the idea. So Nintendo made a point to make it appear more like an electronic like a VCR, hence the front-loading vs. the top loading of like every other cartridge system. They did with the idea that Americans would accept it more as an electronic device, and not so much as a video game console.
It can be repaired, as people have said. But I don't know how that makes it a good build-quality. If it was a good build-quality, than such repairs wouldn't be needed on so many of them.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: davifus on September 23, 2014, 01:55:04 pm
Tiger Handheld = Golden Age of Video Games
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: byron on September 23, 2014, 04:11:52 pm
The NES was most-definitely a system that was poorly designed, functionally.
I absolutely agree. The front loading design is completely unnecessary and hinders the operation of the machine. However, I do not equate bad design with poor quality. I feel that being configured stupidly doesn't make the constituent parts of the NES bad somehow.
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There's a lock-out chip in the NES that ... often stops working quite right and also makes the blinkies.
That isn't true. If the screen is blinking, the CIC chip is functioning properly. That's what it's for. If the screen is blinking when it's not supposed to, that's because the chip was triggered because the machine can't read the security code from the game properly because the game is dirty.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: burningdoom on September 23, 2014, 04:46:41 pm
The NES was most-definitely a system that was poorly designed, functionally.
I absolutely agree. The front loading design is completely unnecessary and hinders the operation of the machine. However, I do not equate bad design with poor quality. I feel that being configured stupidly doesn't make the constituent parts of the NES bad somehow.
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There's a lock-out chip in the NES that ... often stops working quite right and also makes the blinkies.
That isn't true. If the screen is blinking, the CIC chip is functioning properly. That's what it's for. If the screen is blinking when it's not supposed to, that's because the chip was triggered because the machine can't read the security code from the game properly because the game is dirty.
I know enough to replace my 72-pin connector, and I clean my games. And I still have blinkies. Have for decades. That's the lock-out chip coming into play.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: byron on September 23, 2014, 04:59:11 pm
Yes, it is the lock-out chip. the CIC chip puts the console in a reset cycle; that is its function. Are you saying that it's poorly made because it does its job reliably for decades?
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: burningdoom on September 23, 2014, 07:32:30 pm
Yes, it is the lock-out chip. the CIC chip puts the console in a reset cycle; that is its function. Are you saying that it's poorly made because it does its job reliably for decades?
I'm saying it's poorly made because it's locking out games that aren't pirated, and making it be a pain in the ass. Other systems don't do that. Not to mention the press-down thing I mentioned in my first post, that bends the pins.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: byron on September 23, 2014, 08:42:12 pm
I can't respond to you without restating an earlier point. I don't think you're listening to me and I've lost interest in this conversation.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: Warmsignal on September 23, 2014, 08:50:51 pm
Yeah, I have to say I think a console with good build quality rarely or never needs serviced. I've heard game store owners talk about how hard the front loader is to sell, and how many people bring them back because they're frustration with it's lack of proper operation, they think it's broken. If it was built well, it wouldn't have that problem. People shouldn't have to know anything about pin connectors, they should stick a game in and it should work, just like a 2600, or a Genesis, or a SNES. Not saying those consoles work flawlessly every time, but compared to the NES front loader, it sure seems like it.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: dashv on September 23, 2014, 09:30:10 pm
In terms of value, availability, and fun games, the Jaguar sadly. Some consoles were commercial failures for good reason.
In terms of build quality, NES front loader.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's just stop this noise right there. You're going to tell me that the NES front loader, toaster, or NES-001 is crappy build quality? You've seen those things, right? Mine still works flawlessly 28 years later.
I've had a bunch of those things pass through my hands, and I've never had one be beyond fixing. By fixing I mean bending the pins back into place. No solder, no new parts, just bending the pins back and cleaning.
Compare that to disc based systems. They will all be dead, but that brave little toaster will still be toasting along.
Not sure I'd say that the NES's ability to be constantly fixed means it has good build quality. I've never once in my entire life came across an NES that didn't require some sort of work to get a game running and I had mine which was barely a couple years old when I got it. I certainly agree in it's lasting power, but not surprising with something as bare bones as the NES lol
I have to side with Turf here.
Yeah you some times had to wiggle the carts to get rid of the blinking blue screen.
And yeah the carts need to be cleaned with q-tips and rubbing alcohol from time to time.
but the carts and console can take a beating. Even 20 years later.
Put the Original PS3 in the wrong spot in your entertainment center and the thing might as well be an easy bake oven.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: redblaze57 on September 23, 2014, 10:30:17 pm
I got to say the original Xbox only because I've never come across one that just plain works 1000% the one I currently use won't play certain games (like Crimson skies, Metal slug 5, Still Life) and the other one has a damaged harddrive so it won't boot up.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: dashv on September 23, 2014, 10:42:22 pm
I got to say the original Xbox only because I've never come across one that just plain works 1000% the one I currently use won't play certain games (like Crimson skies, Metal slug 5, Still Life) and the other one has a damaged harddrive so it won't boot up.
Interesting... I have 4. 1 I picked up at a yard sale the other two I got at a thrift store. The other I've had for over 10 years. The laser died on the DVD drive but I picked up a refurb from Stone Age Gamer (before I started finding them all over the place for cheap).
They run cool. Are mostly quiet. Built like tanks and after soft modding they are better than an ouya.
Little known fact. Many games actually played in 720p with Dolby 5.1 surround if you used the HD AV kit.
I love the original Xbox. The harddrive is the weakness for sure. But it's easy to dump the info necessary to replace it with a spare later on down the road. You just need to remember to do it before the original one dies.
I agree with the Tiger hate here though. Those games were beyond worthless.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: davifus on September 23, 2014, 10:50:42 pm
Master Race Tiger Handhelds Golden Age King of All
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: deftommo on September 29, 2014, 09:24:00 am
I had an Intellivision and about 10 games for it as a kid. As much as I remember it being a pain in the ass to play I wish I had held on to it.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: dashv on September 29, 2014, 02:09:19 pm
I own a HyperScan that my girlfriend found at a garage sale for me. Systems hardly get much crappier.
But, I love all my consoles, including the Jaguar and Virtual Boy.
I saw the Classic Game Room episode of Hyperscan, and yeah, that was the first one that popped into my head when I saw this thread. But I didn't want to mention it, because Mark at Classic Game Room wasn't sure if it really was that dysfunctional, or if he had a damaged system.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: evilnick on October 01, 2014, 04:09:37 pm
I own a HyperScan that my girlfriend found at a garage sale for me. Systems hardly get much crappier.
But, I love all my consoles, including the Jaguar and Virtual Boy.
I saw the Classic Game Room episode of Hyperscan, and yeah, that was the first one that popped into my head when I saw this thread. But I didn't want to mention it, because Mark at Classic Game Room wasn't sure if it really was that dysfunctional, or if he had a damaged system.
I think I played mine once. I only have 30% of the games released for it. That means I have one game. There was only three.
It's pretty terrible, and it feels flimsy and fragile. It's fascinating, to be sure, but sure is crappy.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: ffxik on October 07, 2014, 07:59:41 am
That falls into 3 all on par with one another.
The CD-I I have the Magnavox badged 450. It has little in the way of software and the controllers suck. I like the build quality of it, minus that proprietary power adapter it has. I mean I wasn't expecting a CAT connection.
Yobo FC-Twin I don't hate this system simply because it was given to me. The build quality is for lack of a better word, crap. The cartridge ports do not work properly unless you reseat the cart a few times and usually stick something in behind it or place it at an angle. The controllers are junk. (Note it was like this out of the box.) My in-laws gave it to me when they had to have the Ebay seller replace the unit and they let them keep the original.
Hyperkin Retron 5 I was excited for this thing until I got my hands on it, twice. The first one I got was fine after all the firmware updating. It lasted about a week when the Genesis and NES ports just quit. Sent it back got the replacement with a dead controller and the SNES port was DOA and the NES port worked when it felt like it. Sent it back to Amazon for a refund. I'm done with Hyperkin.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: Jakandsig on October 07, 2014, 09:45:16 am
Damn N-gage, they should have though game screen first then phone. It has good games but even then a lot of them look like overly pixelated garbage because the screen is small and vertical.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: deftommo on July 17, 2015, 08:18:48 am
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: fighterpilot562 on July 17, 2015, 12:18:21 pm
Sega CD, I gave it away to a VGCer, i was gonna give it to him for free, but he traded a couple games for it instead. So it all worked out. He will put it to good use, and I got a couple games out of it.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: turf on July 17, 2015, 01:20:12 pm
Sega CD, I gave it away to a VGCer, i was gonna give it to him for free, but he traded a couple games for it instead. So it all worked out. He will put it to good use, and I got a couple games out of it.
Next time you give shit away, hit me up.
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: burningdoom on July 17, 2015, 02:01:58 pm
Sega CD, I gave it away to a VGCer, i was gonna give it to him for free, but he traded a couple games for it instead. So it all worked out. He will put it to good use, and I got a couple games out of it.
Next time you give shit away, hit me up.
Seriously. I need a PSP and XBox One. lol
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: fighterpilot562 on July 17, 2015, 02:43:24 pm
Ill keep that in mind lol.
But this was before I knew you turf and the VGCer was local, so we met up and did the trade,
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: dashv on July 17, 2015, 07:32:13 pm
I got dibs on free stuff from Jeremy or he's kicked off the show! ;)
I am of course kidding...
Title: Re: crappiest system you ever owned?
Post by: fighterpilot562 on July 17, 2015, 08:01:12 pm