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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: seether on May 11, 2018, 02:44:28 pm
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I initially thought all those 'game room tours' and stuff on YouTube were super cool and inspirational.
I am a home owner now and my house is super de-cluttered and very much minimalist and now I kinda shudder at looking at 2,000+ physical games.
I like the idea of collecting games but I don't think it's appealing to own any game I come into contact with just because I don't already have it.
I collect games but only the choicey, sought after, much loved, cool stuff. Not every release ever.
Right now my collection consists only of Fallout: Brotherhood Of Steel, Silent Hill 3 and PaRappa the Rapper 2, all on PS2. The former two from a car boot sale and the latter from a goodwill store.
I want every game in the collection to make me feel fuzzy and blow my mind to have it. I don't want a bunch of common games or an excessively large collection.
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Ah, I think we all collect for different reasons here. Some folks have very small, carefully curated items in their collection while others have a full floor in their house dedicated to their collection. "Hoarding" depends on the person and the thinking behind why they keep what they keep.
I don't see it as all that different from people buying movies, shoes, hats, etc. I personally would rather look at my wall of games instead of a closet full of "in-season" clothing, but that's me.
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No. Not in the slightest idea or concept of the word "hoarding". Hoarding is a mental issue. It's far beyond collecting. When people hoard they keep worthess things, and items that are hazardous to their health or their living space. Like keeping old food wrappers. Never throwing away old containers and packaging. Keeping balls of hair. Letting your house fill-up with filth, etc. I've even seen it go so far as keeping jars of their own feces.
A collection is well-kept, displayed, catalogued, and cared for. It doesn't show the same signs of an unhealthy mental condition, nor is it a risk to your health. That is unless you are forsaking bills and responsibilities for it.
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If it is organized it is not hoarding. If you can't walk into a room it is.
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Nope. Not at all. They are like night and day.
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Video game collecting can lead to hoarding, but video game collecting isn't hoarding. You wouldn't say that someone with a library full of books is "hoarding".
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Video game collecting can lead to hoarding, but video game collecting isn't hoarding. You wouldn't say that someone with a library full of books is "hoarding".
I get that it’s not a direct comparison but some of these collectors do excessive acquisition. And while collecting is distinct in that specific items are being sought out rather than random meaningless objects, the lines surely blur when thousands upon thousands of games are bought with no desire to play or use the item and what amounts to a compulsive purchase that adds clutter to a home. Moreover, these objects take on unusually special significance to the collectors. It’s a source of pride that the collection can never be parted with. In some ways the collecting becomes haphazard - anything and everything is bought just to have it. Strictly speaking it’s just an innocent hobby but isn’t there a sinister undercurrent to whole rooms being taken over by this? I get that a ‘game room’ is a hip thing, but is this not a room filled entirely of clutter with thousands of items the owner has no intention of using but cannot part with?
I know it’s painful to think about.
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Right now my collection consists only of Fallout: Brotherhood Of Steel, Silent Hill 3 and PaRappa the Rapper 2, all on PS2. The former two from a car boot sale and the latter from a goodwill store.
... You joined a collector site when you only have three games?
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Video game collecting can lead to hoarding, but video game collecting isn't hoarding. You wouldn't say that someone with a library full of books is "hoarding".
I get that it’s not a direct comparison but some of these collectors do excessive acquisition. And while collecting is distinct in that specific items are being sought out rather than random meaningless objects, the lines surely blur when thousands upon thousands of games are bought with no desire to play or use the item and what amounts to a compulsive purchase that adds clutter to a home. Moreover, these objects take on unusually special significance to the collectors. It’s a source of pride that the collection can never be parted with. In some ways the collecting becomes haphazard - anything and everything is bought just to have it. Strictly speaking it’s just an innocent hobby but isn’t there a sinister undercurrent to whole rooms being taken over by this? I get that a ‘game room’ is a hip thing, but is this not a room filled entirely of clutter with thousands of items the owner has no intention of using but cannot part with?
I know it’s painful to think about.
The amount doesn't matter. That's not what hoarding is. It's whether it is negatively affecting their life. Is someone essentially living atop piles of game filled boxes, their health and livelihood suffering because of it? That's hoarding. Is everything kept neat and organized no matter the size and scope of it? That's collecting.
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Does it truly matter if more people would think like him it would be quite a benefit to us collectors, the more game deals available to us I'd say if allot of people are good with only 20 - 50 games as a full on game collection ;D
Still though reading the TS comments I'd suggest He just get an everdrive or even better a pc emulator/ steam downloads since otherwise It's just a compulsive purchase His eyes might burn if he just looks at all that wasted shelf space not to mention the way it would look, How to solve this problem better than no games at all I'd say, plenty of other ways that are more space efficient to play these games,The digital way might be the best way if I might guess his ideal way of collecting ::)
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I feel guilty because of what I said in another thread about me and some collectors hoarders. I didn't know what other word to describe some people having 3 or more of the same game or console.
It's personal with me. I just feel it is unfair to others who want a specific console or game that can't have one because they are all sold out because someone else bought them all out. This will I feel may happen in the future. But I got to look at it like this I guess. their is always ROM's and PC as well as newer consoles I guess. I know I will get a lot of flack for this post but I just hope someone else would understand my concern. I collect because I fear if I don't it will pass me up in the long run :-[
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Alienstudios lil' infographic sums it up quite well- collecting can become hoarding, but they aren't inherently the same.
For me, the big consideration is useability. Is your collection in boxes, shoved into the corner of a basement, requiring at least an hour of digging & setting up to use? I'm not sure why you keep it & wonder if you're getting ready to cross the line. But dozens of consoles all out, setup, ready to play with the games all just a quick browse away? I don't care how many you have, that's a good collection. It's why I'm so impressed by Joel Hopkins collection- it's not just the biggest in the world, but it's all accessible! If you haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sjjGblGtiU
You may argue that so many games is unnecessary, but you can see something in that video that solves that problem for me... the kid, playing the games. I may have more games than I can play- but who says I have to be the one doing the playing? I wish I knew more people who were into retro, so I could let more people play these games I love so much.
I think there's a personality factor too- some people may be off-put by large collections, the clutter is unsettling. That's fine, create a space you can relax in. For me- the clutter IS relaxing. it's kind of like a small secondhand bookstore or a little indie comic shop- all full of history and personality and wonderful things to find and explore and surround yourself in like a warm, fuzzy blanket of sentimentality. I find the deconstructed, minimalist thing to be sterile, cold, and unsettling- like I'm in a store display and not a home. Perspective is funny that way.
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Honestly, I think the comparison is incredibly ignorant.
Hoarding usually implies clinging to absolutely everything- it's not really about having a lot of stuff, rather it's more about one's inability to get rid of anything. The difference between hoarders and collectors is that collectors can coordiante their stuff enough that it doesn't serve as a detriment to their lives.
Seriously, it's absolutely hyperbolic to compare someone having a big nice gameshelf to someone filling their house with crap to the point where it's unlivable.
Also..from what I've seen there's a lot of people who plan on playing most of the games they buy, or at least restrict it to stuff they like. I think it's pretty silly to say game collecting involves buying EVERYTHING, it's different for everyone. I don't want say, Sonic 06 or the bubsy games or whatever anywhere near my collection and I don't feel intensely compelled to buy them just because they're video games; that'd be stupid. But I'd hunt down the whole Kirby series because it makes me happy and 90% of the series I'd probably come back to. I'm going to come into a lot of games either way, so why not hang onto them and keep them pretty?
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I've definitely seen that line crossed into hoarding, but I think collecting and hoarding are definitely two different things. I know a few collectors that will buy anything if its a good enough deal and regardless of whether or not they have it already or even really want it. I'd argue those people are hoarding more than collecting, but for most collectors they have specific things in mind that they want and can easily resist the temptation of getting more than what they actually want. I'd say that is normal, healthy collecting.
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I am a home owner now and my house is super de-cluttered and very much minimalist and now I kinda shudder at looking at 2,000+ physical games.
Gotta look at it from the flipside. I shudder when thinking about a minimalist lifestyle. To me, going minimalist feels boring, sterile, and unfulfilling. What enjoyment is there in owning as little as possible?
I enjoy having my own personal library/museum. It is a way to outwardly reflect myself, my interests, and my passions. I enjoy tending to it and cultivating it. Why would I throw that away?
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I am a home owner now and my house is super de-cluttered and very much minimalist and now I kinda shudder at looking at 2,000+ physical games.
Gotta look at it from the flipside. I shudder when thinking about a minimalist lifestyle. To me, going minimalist feels boring, sterile, and unfulfilling. What enjoyment is there in owning as little as possible?
I enjoy having my own personal library/museum. It is a way to outwardly reflect myself, my interests, and my passions. I enjoy tending to it and cultivating it. Why would I throw that away?
Absolutely this. I've always been someone to display my interests, whether on my shirt, or on my shelves, or on my walls. My sister is the opposite, having some knickknacks and such to display on shelves, but otherwise has very little on her white walls, and it kinda drives me abit nuts. I've made some Pokemon perler beads in my spare time and gotten them onto her wall as a sneaky way to add things to display on them lol.
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I am a home owner now and my house is super de-cluttered and very much minimalist and now I kinda shudder at looking at 2,000+ physical games.
Gotta look at it from the flipside. I shudder when thinking about a minimalist lifestyle. To me, going minimalist feels boring, sterile, and unfulfilling. What enjoyment is there in owning as little as possible?
I enjoy having my own personal library/museum. It is a way to outwardly reflect myself, my interests, and my passions. I enjoy tending to it and cultivating it. Why would I throw that away?
I have seen plenty of people who live that way. They hate everything if it might just look messy, everything that has no function or can be more space efficient has to go.
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I don't want say, Sonic 06... anywhere near my collection ...
One does not buy Sonic 06. One comes home to discover Sonic 06 has been added to your collection by a sibling's S.O. who didn't want it and couldn't sell it, so they dumped it on you. Morbid curiosity & the chance to torture friends keeps it out of the goodwill box.
I mean, that's how I got mine.
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By the broad definition all collecting is technically hoarding but I think we are certainly different than the typical idea of a hoarder like the show hoarders depicts :) The terms are very similar but a collector is slightly different than a hoarder imo and here is how I differentiate.
The big difference between a collector and a hoarder in my opinion is organization and the curation with the intent to actually categorize or catelog their items. :D For example, if I guy just has random piles of trash in a huge pile in the garage that he has saved from years of flea marketing, without any rhyme or reason. He's a hoarder. But if he has shelving and has his junk cleaned, displayed as relics even if it's baby diapers, he'd be a baby diaper collector. ;D
I think the organization and pride in it, and most especially the sanitation and the curating and keeping a catelog of your collecting. Is what seperates the two. :D
Hoarders kinda just hoard things, with no intent to keep track or have a curated library of their goods while collectors are like curators of a library. Cateloging each entry in databases like this big digital database that wouldn't exist without passionate collectors. :)
Like if you're weeding through a garage and your knee deep in dirty trash, bags of nothing, junk, wierd items and nothing is organized or their really isn't any reason behind him having it other than wanting it at the time than that's a hoarder. But if you enter a garage and find giant shelf networks like a library but you look at each shelf and it's complete garbage. But the garbage is clean, labeled, organized, and he knows what he has and why he has it than I think that's a collector even though you don't understand his collectibles. :)
I've actually found gamers before that i'd consider hoarders and not collectors. Just because they have everything they buy just on the floor, on tables, in huge stacks, scattered, random console lots every which way. You can tell he was just hoarding it and not "collecting it" :). I think with collecting it's more of a active intent to bring things together in a collection of that similar item. And not just random tossings.
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I have a large collection but it's all neat and well kept.My collection is all ready to play at any time on 8 diffrent tvs but Im definitely not a horder. I am proud of my collection but it's not what's really important to me family comes first if my hobby interferes in my family's happiness then I would get rid of it all in a second.
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Im definitely not a horder.
That’s exactly what a hoarder would say.
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I have to question why exactly you joined a forum for a hobby you dislike, and are using that to insult and look down upon the people who take part in it. Like what's your deal dude
Again-like people have told you ten times in this thread-if it's neat it isn't hoarding. Get off your high horse
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Im definitely not a horder.
That’s exactly what a hoarder would say.
ok you win im not going to explain it again
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For me the biggest difference between a hoarder and a collector is that a hoarder can't get rid of anything they "own" while a collector can get rid of what they own if they want or need to, i mean who never sold a game or a system since they started their collection. I put the own for the hoarders in quote because as my uncle, who suffered from it for almost all his life, would say: "I didn't owned anything... it's the things that owned me".
Hoarding disorder can be very grave, i don't really care if you consider that i'm a hoarder because i own 700+ PS2 games instead of 3 (or any number that you would find acceptable), you can think what you want to think about me but by doing so, by not seeing the difference between a hobby and something that ruins peoples lives, i consider that you don't really care about those who really suffers from it.
Im definitely not a horder.
That’s exactly what a hoarder would say.
Okay... that is just insulting, not for wartoy but for hoarders... :(
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Hoarding vs collecting. I look at it this way. Collecting is acquiring something you like. Hoarding is acquiring something period. I mean look at what a lot of hoarders have. Garbage, filth, infestation. Its not acquiring anything they would want to have … its just acquiring.
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Im definitely not a horder.
That’s exactly what a hoarder would say.
Okay... that is just insulting, not for wartoy but for hoarders... :(
Maybe they're projecting.
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I definitely agree with everything that's been said so far, but since Seether still seems content on throwing around what makes someone a hoarder without actually understanding the condition, lets actually look at the diagnostic criteria for hoarding disorder from the DSM-5.
- Persistent difficulty discarding or parting with possessions, regardless of their actual value.
- This difficulty is due to a perceived need to save the items and to distress associated with discarding them.
- The difficulty discarding possessions results in the accumulation of possessions that congest and clutter active living areas and substantially compromises their intended use. If living areas are uncluttered, it is only because of the interventions of third parties (e.g., family members, cleaners, authorities).
- The hoarding causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning (including maintaining a safe environment for self and others).
- The hoarding is not attributable to another medical condition (e.g., brain injury, cerebrovascular disease, Prader-Willi syndrome).
- The hoarding is not better explained by the symptoms of another mental disorder (e.g., obsessions in obsessive-compulsive disorder, decreased energy in major depressive disorder, delusions in schizophrenia or another psychotic disorder, cognitive deficits in major neurocognitive disorder, restricted interests in autism spectrum disorder).
Notice that the physical act of buying or collecting something is NOT hoarding. It's about 1. refusing to throw things away that aren't needed, 2. cluttering and compromising active living spaces, and 3. impaired social, occupational or familial roles.
You have no evidence that any of the users here have persistent difficulty parting with useless possessions, or that we all live in cluttered houses and can't function without saving every single piece of garbage that we find. That claim is very bold and honestly a little insulting. >:(
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Everyone's different. I don't think collecting is hoarding. I like minimalism and I also collect. I enjoy hunting for games, curating, but I don't like displaying. I rent storage which is super useful not only to me but for the whole family. It's not very expensive to rent a 2x3x3 meter cell.
When I want to enjoy a system or some weird subset of my personal gaming history - I drive to storage, take what I want from my "hoardings", take it home, have fun with it (even if it's just fondling with boxes and manuals) and drive it back to storage when I'm finished playing/fondling. Idk, this approach doesn't sound like hoarding to me. Your opinion might differ.
Just my 2 cents.
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Im definitely not a horder.
That’s exactly what a hoarder would say.
Technically, you're both right- a hoarder would never admit to it, and Wartoy's setup hardly sounds like a proper hoarder.
However, Seether- watch your tone. Remember, this is a collector's site- most of us are going to be on the side of 'clutter is relaxing'. If you've come to find it distressing and prefer a clean minimalist environment, that's fine. That's you. But I'll keep my bookcases and be happier for it. Insinuating that mindset makes me, or anyone else here, a hoarder (ie, someone living in filth who needs an intervention) is insulting.
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Nope.
As my grandfather used to say, there's a difference between shitting and tearing your arse out.
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I'm a collector, but also consider myself a minimalist. I'm probably a peculiar person in general, but my games collection is a space as others have said for me to curate a collection of physical things I feel represent my passion. They are clean and ordered, and all are intentional. Moreover, the things don't define me. Having things doesn't make me a collector, but bringing myself to my things make them my collection. A semantic distinction, but an important one.
Also, as a researcher and doctor of psychology, we can all rest assured we are not horders...
EDIT: Took out a comment I didn't feel was becoming of my character
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I am a (mostly) organized hoarder.
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I just moved all of my shit. I had what addicts call "a moment of clarity"
It's a slippery slope. Collecting can turn into hoarding real easy. I have something like 10 NESs and 7 SNESs. I bought up tons of stuff and now it's taking up lots of space. It's time to purge. I have to thin the herd.
I have to stop buying stuff just for the sake of buying stuff. It's fun to buy stuff, but no more. It's time to stop.
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I just moved all of my shit. I had what addicts call "a moment of clarity"
It's a slippery slope. Collecting can turn into hoarding real easy. I have something like 10 NESs and 7 SNESs. I bought up tons of stuff and now it's taking up lots of space. It's time to purge. I have to thin the herd.
I have to stop buying stuff just for the sake of buying stuff. It's fun to buy stuff, but no more. It's time to stop.
If your going to thin out of stuff i'd recomment to sell in lots It's fast and with lose sales you might not even get more money since not to many people are looking for filler titles unless you selling desirable titles that is but I'm pretty sure those will be the keepers.
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I just moved all of my shit. I had what addicts call "a moment of clarity"
It's a slippery slope. Collecting can turn into hoarding real easy. I have something like 10 NESs and 7 SNESs. I bought up tons of stuff and now it's taking up lots of space. It's time to purge. I have to thin the herd.
I have to stop buying stuff just for the sake of buying stuff. It's fun to buy stuff, but no more. It's time to stop.
If your going to thin out of stuff i'd recomment to sell in lots It's fast and with lose sales you might not even get more money since not to many people are looking for filler titles unless you selling desirable titles that is but I'm pretty sure those will be the keepers.
I go to a couple conventions a year. I may unload some stuff there, or I may just box it up and stop buying. I don't know. I may list a bunch of stuff here. It's not as much the games I'm looking to get rid of. It's the controllers and boxed systems that take up so much room.
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I just moved all of my shit. I had what addicts call "a moment of clarity"
It's a slippery slope. Collecting can turn into hoarding real easy. I have something like 10 NESs and 7 SNESs. I bought up tons of stuff and now it's taking up lots of space. It's time to purge. I have to thin the herd.
I have to stop buying stuff just for the sake of buying stuff. It's fun to buy stuff, but no more. It's time to stop.
If your going to thin out of stuff i'd recomment to sell in lots It's fast and with lose sales you might not even get more money since not to many people are looking for filler titles unless you selling desirable titles that is but I'm pretty sure those will be the keepers.
I go to a couple conventions a year. I may unload some stuff there, or I may just box it up and stop buying. I don't know. I may list a bunch of stuff here. It's not as much the games I'm looking to get rid of. It's the controllers and boxed systems that take up so much room.
For boxed Nintendo sega systems I agree selling them seperately will be the way to go or maybe at a con but online is your best and most easy bet not to hard to get rid off. If you want to make some space they will probably be gone before you go to a con
As far as filler titles go
It's true that on cons you will sell some stuff but than you have less interesting stuff for people to buy it all at ones in lots not to mention how many would be sold with that effort.
If you want to get rid of filler materials wich does not apply to sports titles only plenty of filler materials keep it together make a big lot auction it off on ebay or let people bid on other 2nd hand sites and see if the price is high enough for you, lose sales with these kind of things will not work to greatly. you can expect maybe 1 to a few $ each depending on the games for wich consoles. Quite a decent amount with big lots. obviously you'll make these lots per consoles not multiple games of different consoles at once.
I've had many filler titles from sets big lots is the way to go to get rid of them pretty fast and get a decent amount since the bundles are big since otherwise you will be stuck with them forever like most resellers who actually try to put the effort into it and sell them for 3 - 10 $ each wich will never get rid of them. only desirable titles or fun titles can be sold lose It's just how it works.
Only For older nintendo systems if cib in excellent shape only than you can sell them cheaper titles lose. You could also take stores for example they have the most customers that buy these filler or cheap non sports filler titles and even than it will still sit on their shelves for potentially years. If a store can't move them most likely the regular joe will have even less of a chance.
Take a list of each console you want to sell bundle it up and auction it off or list it on a site as whole set, Plenty of people who collect everything and you'll be done. Were not talking about quality stuff here your not missing to much cash if you would have the best case scenario that we would live in a magic world that people would actually pay lose prices fast for filler titles.
Take ebay values with a grain of salt for filler titles since many listing are on there and if some filler titles get sold they have sat on their probably forever since the competition is fierce and not many people would buy them. be happy with just a few $ at best in lots.
If you also want to get rid of some pricy stuff than yes list them seperately but don't be to picky for filler titles or cheap even excellent playable common games to try and sell them seperately lots is the only way to go if you want to get rid of filler and cheap good materials. you will probably make more than selling them lose since most likely not to many items will be bought seperately. Your audience are people who collect everything and try to get them as cheap as possible so naturally they are very hard sales more impulse buys.
Just some pieces of advice if you want to get rid of filler materials It's the best way. In total you will gain the most cash and it will be gone in one swoop.
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I just moved all of my shit. I had what addicts call "a moment of clarity"
It's a slippery slope. Collecting can turn into hoarding real easy. I have something like 10 NESs and 7 SNESs. I bought up tons of stuff and now it's taking up lots of space. It's time to purge. I have to thin the herd.
I have to stop buying stuff just for the sake of buying stuff. It's fun to buy stuff, but no more. It's time to stop.
If your going to thin out of stuff i'd recomment to sell in lots It's fast and with lose sales you might not even get more money since not to many people are looking for filler titles unless you selling desirable titles that is but I'm pretty sure those will be the keepers.
I go to a couple conventions a year. I may unload some stuff there, or I may just box it up and stop buying. I don't know. I may list a bunch of stuff here. It's not as much the games I'm looking to get rid of. It's the controllers and boxed systems that take up so much room.
For boxed Nintendo sega systems I agree selling them seperately will be the way to go or maybe at a con but online is your best and most easy bet not to hard to get rid off. If you want to make some space they will probably be gone before you go to a con
As far as filler titles go
It's true that on cons you will sell some stuff but than you have less interesting stuff for people to buy it all at ones in lots not to mention how many would be sold with that effort.
If you want to get rid of filler materials wich does not apply to sports titles only plenty of filler materials keep it together make a big lot auction it off on ebay or let people bid on other 2nd hand sites and see if the price is high enough for you, lose sales with these kind of things will not work to greatly. you can expect maybe 1 to a few $ each depending on the games for wich consoles. Quite a decent amount with big lots. obviously you'll make these lots per consoles not multiple games of different consoles at once.
I've had many filler titles from sets big lots is the way to go to get rid of them pretty fast and get a decent amount since the bundles are big since otherwise you will be stuck with them forever like most resellers who actually try to put the effort into it and sell them for 3 - 10 $ each wich will never get rid of them. only desirable titles or fun titles can be sold lose It's just how it works.
Only For older nintendo systems if cib in excellent shape only than you can sell them cheaper titles lose. You could also take stores for example they have the most customers that buy these filler or cheap non sports filler titles and even than it will still sit on their shelves for potentially years. If a store can't move them most likely the regular joe will have even less of a chance.
Take a list of each console you want to sell bundle it up and auction it off or list it on a site as whole set, Plenty of people who collect everything and you'll be done. Were not talking about quality stuff here your not missing to much cash if you would have the best case scenario that we would live in a magic world that people would actually pay lose prices fast for filler titles.
Take ebay values with a grain of salt for filler titles since many listing are on there and if some filler titles get sold they have sat on their probably forever since the competition is fierce and not many people would buy them. be happy with just a few $ at best in lots.
If you also want to get rid of some pricy stuff than yes list them seperately but don't be to picky for filler titles or cheap even excellent playable common games to try and sell them seperately lots is the only way to go if you want to get rid of filler and cheap good materials. you will probably make more than selling them lose since most likely not to many items will be bought seperately. Your audience are people who collect everything and try to get them as cheap as possible so naturally they are very hard sales more impulse buys.
Just some pieces of advice if you want to get rid of filler materials It's the best way. In total you will gain the most cash and it will be gone in one swoop.
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I appreciate the input. I'm not selling my whole collection, just some outliers. It's not going to be that hard to list systems and common stuff on facebook yardsales.
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Im definitely not a horder.
That’s exactly what a hoarder would say.
Nonsense like this response has no place here. IDGAF about your minimalist living or however you go about your life but you'd have to be blind to not realize that the bulk of people here have decently-sized collections ranging from a few hundred to a couple thousand or more. Your thinly-veiled attempt at asking a supposedly innocent question to collectors on a collector's site about it being akin to hoarding is about as subtle as a brick to the face. Take your pseudo-grandstanding elsewhere.
I have to question why exactly you joined a forum for a hobby you dislike, and are using that to insult and look down upon the people who take part in it. Like what's your deal dude
Again-like people have told you ten times in this thread-if it's neat it isn't hoarding. Get off your high horse
This in a nutshell. Some of the threads you've started definitely have a poking/prodding feel to them and it'd be nice if you'd dial it down so they didn't come across as condescending.