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Site Feedback / Attention: PlayStation Portable [NA] Collectors
« on: July 12, 2017, 07:28:09 pm »
After 26 days, 2100+ edits and several creations (thanks, Canada), the PSP [NA] section is in great shape… for now.
Members might want to check if their variant is now listed.

Site Feedback / Attention: Newbies & Others
« on: July 06, 2017, 12:24:19 am »
If you haven't already, please read the OFFICIAL Style Guide before entering or editing data fields. It's obvious many of you are not familiar with it. Thank You.,22.0.html

Video Game Database Discussion / Still Confused About Accuracy
« on: June 30, 2017, 12:37:01 am »
I still don’t understand why we can’t name games the legitimate way they are stylized by the publisher, developer and game historians. Instead you only allow how some moronic graphic artist has portrayed the name on the front or spine artwork. For example, the name should be "LittleBigPlanet" and not "LittleBIGPlanet" for the PSP.  At least it’s stylized correctly FOUR TIMES on the back cover!!!

The Style guide only states, “Use the item's regional release title, written in the language written on the case…". I can’t find any reference stating we can only use the information on the front and spine. Are we to ignore what is printed on the back of the case or dismiss a game’s trademarked name? To hell with legal accuracy, right?

Video Game Database Discussion / Rejection of game description edit.
« on: June 12, 2017, 02:29:25 pm »
infamous Collection - PS3 [NA]
Please explain why my deletion of "This was a 2 disc pack-in that came included with the PS3 slim bundle" in the Description field was rejected. This is a standalone game, and I would appreciate the clarification.

Also for Hakuoki: Stories of the Shinsengumi - Limited Edition - PS3 [NA]
This redundant information is not needed in the Description field since it is more accurately described in the box text. Please clarify.

In the interests of continuity (see other listing for these games) and the correct representations of the names as shown on GameFaqs and Wikipedia (the predominant authorities), please change the following names or come up with a good reason for not doing so.

SingStar: Queen [NA] -> SingStar Queen
SingStar: ABBA [NA] -> SingStar ABBA

There are also a load of [EU] SingStar games incorrectly using the colon which I did not touch.

By the way, I am also still occasionally getting rejections for developer/publisher changes even though I never attempted those changes. I thought that issue was fixed.

Also, where is my 15,000+ edits badge... just kidding!  ;)

Video Game Database Discussion / Code Book Category
« on: March 28, 2016, 11:05:25 pm »
Books with compilations of game hints and passwords are considered Strategy Guides. In which category do Game Genie, Action Replay, and GameShark code books belong? The Swag category seems inappropriate to me. Please, only replies by Administrators. I already know what one of you thinks.  ;)

Video Game Database Discussion / General Questions from a Curious User
« on: March 16, 2016, 04:33:24 pm »
I have a few questions?

1. What is the average age of the administrators?
2. In what countries do they reside?
3. What is the administrator male to female ratio?
4. What is the registered users male to female ratio?
4. Who owns the site?
5. If some entity offered to buy the site, who makes the decision to sell? Who would get the money?

I have no ulterior motives for asking. It’s just out of curiosity because I love this site, and I envision it as having great potential.

Site Feedback / Premature Creations
« on: February 11, 2016, 04:32:23 am »
Why do some users feel compelled to create a game’s data several months before its actual release and include the unofficial image? Is it a lack of self control? A desire to boost their edit numbers? Maybe that’s why we amass so many ESRB-RP images that end up being overlooked. It also causes confusion, at least for me. I thought I had missed a couple of releases, but as it turns out, they still haven’t released. And those examples were created in VGCollect several months ago! Anyway, after a day of editing, I tend to get a bit cranky, and I was just wondering about this.

Site Feedback / Shoot-’Em-Up Subgenre Confusion
« on: February 03, 2016, 07:48:24 pm »
There seems to be some confusion as to what defines a “Shoot-’Em-Up” game. I’m writing because I recently received another unwarranted edit rejection of this genre. In the last 10-15 years, new Shoot-’Em-Up games are created much less frequently than in previous years, and yet I see this subgenre incorrectly given to too many games. Here is an excellent explanation as to which games should be assigned to this subgenre:

Wikipedia also has in-depth explanations with historical context for all the video game genres/subgenres. These articles will be very helpful anytime someone feels uncertain about a genre. Users just interested in game history will find a lot in there too. Depending on what genre you’re searching for, you may have to start typing “video game” after the genre name before it shows in the drop-down list.

While you’re at it, I suggest checking out the definitions for “Adventure”, “Survival Horror”, “Simulation”, “Beat-‘Em-Up”, and “Platform”. I see a lot of misunderstanding about those also, ESPECIALLY “Adventure” and “Beat-‘Em-Up.”

Usually I just shake my head and give up, but I thought I would try a post this time. In a few days, I’m going to resubmit the rejected data and see what happens.  :(

Site Feedback / ESRB-RP Images
« on: January 24, 2016, 05:17:19 pm »
ATTN: Administrators

What is your protocol for dealing with posted NA game images with the ESRB-RP (rating pending) logo? To me they violate the rules, but I need administrative confirmation. Also, I would like all of you to be on board with this decision because, not so long ago, one of you rejected a correct image (and meeting all criteria) to replace an RP one. To avoid confusion, I'm just asking for a ruling and have no other expectations on this matter.*

Recently, I did an image audit for the NDS [NA] section and have a list of the ones that are either non-NA or RP. This was about 3% of the total, and of those, 64% were RP! I will post this list when you settle this matter. When I have time, I plan on doing this for other game types that I’m very familiar with.

On another subject, I would like to recommend that an optional-use field be added to the edit page that could be used by the item editor/creator to cite sources or reasons for certain data entries/changes. Of course this field would be invisible on the item’s display view. I hate having to use the Alt-Name field for this purpose, and because the actual comment is rejected (removed), it adds to my rejection tally. I don’t know, but you guys might keep track a user’s rejection count. Also, I believe a great number of users would appreciate such an addition. Speaking as a former (retired) programmer by profession, this change shouldn’t be difficult to implement.

By the way, does EVERY member of the VGCollect staff read every original post in this “Site Feedback” section? I often wonder about that.

Keep up the great work!

* sentence added after original posting

Site Feedback / My Ramblings About Game Titles & Other Things
« on: January 22, 2016, 09:37:41 pm »
There are so many incorrect game titles. After 5 years of researching the matter, these are the common source authorities I and others use to obtain the proper spelling and formatting of game titles. They are listed in order of decreasing reliability:

1. Publisher (your best source but time consuming or impossible sometimes)
    Game's Instruction Manual (sometimes listed INSIDE)

2. (I contribute to them also) (info on just about every game created) (decades of data)

3. game's artwork (illustrators sometimes get carried away which causes errors, confusion and ambiguity)

4. (careless naming but good source of release dates)

I know many of you use these sites because I find their distinct errors showing up in some game data fields. So far I’ve edited thousands of games, strategy guides and other items. When I’m not positively sure about something, I may check up to a half dozen sources before I enter and/or correct data. If I can't confirm, I leave it alone. I also back test data such as UPC barcodes and ISBN’s. Rarely, but sometimes, you’ll even discover an incorrect one printed on the artwork.

This is off topic, but here’s a tip about ISBN’s which are primarily used for books (e.g., strategy guides). Our Style Guide requires that they be entered with dashes. This is very difficult to do correctly because publishers have unique formats. Here’s the truly simple and quick solution: It coverts an IBSN-10 to ISBN-13 and visa versa into its proper format with dashes. Also, you can enter the number to be converted with or without dashes. It flags bad numbers too! ISBN’s are a powerful way to locate a book anywhere in the world.

While I’ve gone astray while writing this, I want to emphasize that UPC numbers are 12-digits long (USA, Canada, et al) and ISBN’s are either 10 or 13-digits. So many users have confused the two and put them into the wrong data field. By the way, ISBN-13 is just the newer format and both return the same result in a search.

One last pet peeve, and I hope an administrator reads this. So many users don’t know the difference between a game’s publisher and its developer. To add to all this confusion, sometimes there's a third party involved, called a distributor. I've seen some prominent sites mistakenly think the distributor is the publisher. Please, write a post to explain the difference or revive an old one if previously done.

That’s enough of my rambling. Kindest regards to all.

Video Game Database Discussion / Release Year field for PSP UMD Videos
« on: January 10, 2016, 08:06:05 pm »
For consistency, I would appreciate a ruling regarding the Release Year field for PSP UMD Videos. I recently had some rejections which are listed below. First of all, these are MOVIES. Which information makes more sense: the NA release date of the movie or the useless release date of the UMD? If this was a DVD movie collection, the answer would be obvious. While cleaning/adding to this section, I noticed some original creators understood this concept by adding the year the movie's theatrical release.

Rejections (Since their rejection and for even greater accuracy, I amended a couple of dates to reflect only the NA release year.):

    Ghost in the Shell (1996)
    Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (2001)
    The Dark Crystal (1982)
    Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (2001)
    Predator (1987)
    Men in Black (1997)

Furthermore, many movies are remakes with the same title. If the year is the arbitrary UMD date, how do we distinguish which movie it is, other than resorting to adding the year into the title?

Kindest regards,
'Grumpy' SilverBow

Video Game Database Discussion / The Confusing World of Editing
« on: January 09, 2016, 08:33:33 pm »
Recently, as I add entries to my collection, I've been getting rejections of some title (Name) changes. I don't understand the reasons for these rejections because I always use the generally accepted (world-wide consensus) representations of those titles. Furthermore, since I can't identify the person doing the rejection, I can't query them directly. As an example, yesterday I changed the PSP UMD movie title "Jim Henson's The Dark Crystal" to "Dark Crystal, The" which is the universally accepted way of listing by all reputable movie databases, retailers, reviewers, etc. In addition and in all honesty, how many people are going to enter the name "Jim Henson's The Dark Crystal" in a search as opposed to "Dark Crystal"? I thought one of our goals was to facilitate a system that uses common sense and reduces the possibility of duplicates. Need another example? The artwork for the movie UMD "Labyrinth" says "Jim Henson's Labyrinth", but I created it correctly as "Labyrinth". The reviewer hasn't gotten to that yet, and I'm holding my breath.

These unfounded rejections of some of my edits (10,000+ and many more to come) have just started occurring in the last week. My goal has always been to "smooth" out the data and make it more consistent while religiously following the Style Guide. Speaking of which, I've noticed that some long-time members don't adhere to or seem that familiar with this guide.

I'm writing this with the greatest respect for the Administrators, but darn it, now I'm really confused. Also, I'm never comfortable about writing, and I hope I don't have to do it that often. It makes me cringe and puts my stomach in knots. However, I do plan on drafting some proposals in the future, but only when I've completed entering my collection. It's taking a lot more time than I thought because I'm a stickler for detail and accuracy.

Best Regards,

P.S. Please don't make me write again.  ;)

Site Feedback / The Dreaded Forward Slash
« on: January 07, 2016, 10:12:29 pm »
Is everyone aware that if a search title contains "/", the search will fail? I suspect this has caused some duplicate entries. Are the programmers aware of this? Can it be rectified? Also, users should be alerted to this anomaly. Otherwise, the search engine is very good, especially if you just use key words or phrases, and then press [Enter]. Comments would be appreciated.

Video Game Database Discussion / Define "Launch Edition"
« on: December 09, 2015, 04:44:02 am »
I'm having difficulty trying to figure out what constitutes a "Launch Edition." Would someone please give me a definition. I've never seen this term outside of this site. When is a more expensive, non-standard edition considered a Launch Edition instead of, for instance, a Limited or Collector's Edition? Maybe a definition can be included in the Style Guide.

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