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Site Feedback / My Genre Primer for Some Folks
« on: March 14, 2019, 08:56:18 pm »
The Primary (Root) Video Game Genres:

Action: Games which focus on and require player skill and reflexes to play.

Action Adventure: Games with elements of both action (reflex, timing, button-mashing) and adventure (puzzle-solving, inventory management) games - a hybrid of the Action and Adventure categories. (A GROSS EXCLUSION BY THIS SITE)

Adventure: Games that require primarily logic and problem-solving to complete in the context of a narrative, with little (if any) action game mechanics.

Miscellaneous: Games that don't fit into any other categories or are an un-categorizable
 mix, including board games, collections, and applications.

Puzzle: Games that focus on the player's logical and thinking skills, often solving problems outside of the context of a narrative.

Racing: Games that focus on controlling a vehicle or other avatar in a race against a time limit or other vehicles/avatars.

Role-Playing: Games that put the player in the role of a customizable hero (or heroes) to complete goals or quests.

Simulation: Games that put the player in the role of controlling a virtual object - a ship, a plane, or even a life.

Sports: Games that simulate real or imagined sporting competitions.

Strategy: Games that focus on careful and skillful thinking and planning in order to achieve victory, and the turn-based or real-time action scales from world domination to squad-based tactics.

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Video Game Database Discussion / Publisher vs. Distributor
« on: March 07, 2019, 09:44:12 pm »
I have a quandary about when two publishers are involved in a game. It is not unusual for one publisher to distribute the game of another using the distributor’s UPC. As an example, F1 2002 [NA] for GBA shows both EA Sports’ and Destination Software’s logos on the front. On the back it states “Destination Software, Inc. is an authorized Electronic Arts distributor.” It also has Destination Software’s UPC which is always in this format: 8-02036-xxxxxx-x. An EA Sports UPC would have been 0-14633-xxxxxx-x. My question is which publisher should be entered in the “Publisher” field?

My preference is to use the distributor in the “Publisher” field since it coincides with the UPC. Maybe the Administrators can make a clarification of this situation in the Style Guide.

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Video Game Database Discussion / A, An & The
« on: February 28, 2019, 12:13:50 am »
After reading through the Style Guide, it is implied by exclusion that, if a game title begins with the articles “A” or “An”, it should be listed that way. I understand how to handle game titles beginning with “The”, but why were the other two articles exempted from that rule? Was it an accidental omission?

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Site Feedback / Need clarification on barcode entries.
« on: January 30, 2019, 09:38:38 pm »
Official Style Guide regarding UPCs, “Enter the numbers only, without spaces or dashes.” Since when did we start disregarding the “no spaces” rule? I’m referring to recent game creations by one the Staff.

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Site Feedback / Attention: PlayStation Portable [NA] Collectors
« on: July 12, 2017, 07:28:09 pm »
After 26 days, 2100+ edits and several creations (thanks, Canada), the PSP [NA] section is in great shape… for now.
Members might want to check if their variant is now listed.

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Site Feedback / Attention: Newbies & Others
« on: July 06, 2017, 12:24:19 am »
If you haven't already, please read the OFFICIAL Style Guide before entering or editing data fields. It's obvious many of you are not familiar with it. Thank You.
https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,22.0.html

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Video Game Database Discussion / Still Confused About Accuracy
« on: June 30, 2017, 12:37:01 am »
I still don’t understand why we can’t name games the legitimate way they are stylized by the publisher, developer and game historians. Instead you only allow how some moronic graphic artist has portrayed the name on the front or spine artwork. For example, the name should be "LittleBigPlanet" and not "LittleBIGPlanet" for the PSP.  At least it’s stylized correctly FOUR TIMES on the back cover!!!

The Style guide only states, “Use the item's regional release title, written in the language written on the case…". I can’t find any reference stating we can only use the information on the front and spine. Are we to ignore what is printed on the back of the case or dismiss a game’s trademarked name? To hell with legal accuracy, right?

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Video Game Database Discussion / Rejection of game description edit.
« on: June 12, 2017, 02:29:25 pm »
infamous Collection - PS3 [NA]
https://vgcollect.com/item/43946
Please explain why my deletion of "This was a 2 disc pack-in that came included with the PS3 slim bundle" in the Description field was rejected. This is a standalone game, and I would appreciate the clarification.

Also for Hakuoki: Stories of the Shinsengumi - Limited Edition - PS3 [NA]
https://vgcollect.com/item/60087
This redundant information is not needed in the Description field since it is more accurately described in the box text. Please clarify.

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In the interests of continuity (see other listing for these games) and the correct representations of the names as shown on GameFaqs and Wikipedia (the predominant authorities), please change the following names or come up with a good reason for not doing so.

SingStar: Queen [NA] -> SingStar Queen
SingStar: ABBA [NA] -> SingStar ABBA

There are also a load of [EU] SingStar games incorrectly using the colon which I did not touch.

By the way, I am also still occasionally getting rejections for developer/publisher changes even though I never attempted those changes. I thought that issue was fixed.

Also, where is my 15,000+ edits badge... just kidding!  ;)

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Video Game Database Discussion / Code Book Category
« on: March 28, 2016, 11:05:25 pm »
Books with compilations of game hints and passwords are considered Strategy Guides. In which category do Game Genie, Action Replay, and GameShark code books belong? The Swag category seems inappropriate to me. Please, only replies by Administrators. I already know what one of you thinks.  ;)

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Video Game Database Discussion / General Questions from a Curious User
« on: March 16, 2016, 04:33:24 pm »
I have a few questions?

1. What is the average age of the administrators?
2. In what countries do they reside?
3. What is the administrator male to female ratio?
4. What is the registered users male to female ratio?
4. Who owns the site?
5. If some entity offered to buy the site, who makes the decision to sell? Who would get the money?

I have no ulterior motives for asking. It’s just out of curiosity because I love this site, and I envision it as having great potential.

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Site Feedback / Premature Creations
« on: February 11, 2016, 04:32:23 am »
Why do some users feel compelled to create a game’s data several months before its actual release and include the unofficial image? Is it a lack of self control? A desire to boost their edit numbers? Maybe that’s why we amass so many ESRB-RP images that end up being overlooked. It also causes confusion, at least for me. I thought I had missed a couple of releases, but as it turns out, they still haven’t released. And those examples were created in VGCollect several months ago! Anyway, after a day of editing, I tend to get a bit cranky, and I was just wondering about this.

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Site Feedback / Shoot-’Em-Up Subgenre Confusion
« on: February 03, 2016, 07:48:24 pm »
There seems to be some confusion as to what defines a “Shoot-’Em-Up” game. I’m writing because I recently received another unwarranted edit rejection of this genre. In the last 10-15 years, new Shoot-’Em-Up games are created much less frequently than in previous years, and yet I see this subgenre incorrectly given to too many games. Here is an excellent explanation as to which games should be assigned to this subgenre:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot_%27em_up

Wikipedia also has in-depth explanations with historical context for all the video game genres/subgenres. These articles will be very helpful anytime someone feels uncertain about a genre. Users just interested in game history will find a lot in there too. Depending on what genre you’re searching for, you may have to start typing “video game” after the genre name before it shows in the drop-down list.

While you’re at it, I suggest checking out the definitions for “Adventure”, “Survival Horror”, “Simulation”, “Beat-‘Em-Up”, and “Platform”. I see a lot of misunderstanding about those also, ESPECIALLY “Adventure” and “Beat-‘Em-Up.”

Usually I just shake my head and give up, but I thought I would try a post this time. In a few days, I’m going to resubmit the rejected data and see what happens.  :(

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Site Feedback / ESRB-RP Images
« on: January 24, 2016, 05:17:19 pm »
ATTN: Administrators

What is your protocol for dealing with posted NA game images with the ESRB-RP (rating pending) logo? To me they violate the rules, but I need administrative confirmation. Also, I would like all of you to be on board with this decision because, not so long ago, one of you rejected a correct image (and meeting all criteria) to replace an RP one. To avoid confusion, I'm just asking for a ruling and have no other expectations on this matter.*

Recently, I did an image audit for the NDS [NA] section and have a list of the ones that are either non-NA or RP. This was about 3% of the total, and of those, 64% were RP! I will post this list when you settle this matter. When I have time, I plan on doing this for other game types that I’m very familiar with.

On another subject, I would like to recommend that an optional-use field be added to the edit page that could be used by the item editor/creator to cite sources or reasons for certain data entries/changes. Of course this field would be invisible on the item’s display view. I hate having to use the Alt-Name field for this purpose, and because the actual comment is rejected (removed), it adds to my rejection tally. I don’t know, but you guys might keep track a user’s rejection count. Also, I believe a great number of users would appreciate such an addition. Speaking as a former (retired) programmer by profession, this change shouldn’t be difficult to implement.

By the way, does EVERY member of the VGCollect staff read every original post in this “Site Feedback” section? I often wonder about that.

Keep up the great work!

* sentence added after original posting

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Site Feedback / My Ramblings About Game Titles & Other Things
« on: January 22, 2016, 09:37:41 pm »
There are so many incorrect game titles. After 5 years of researching the matter, these are the common source authorities I and others use to obtain the proper spelling and formatting of game titles. They are listed in order of decreasing reliability:

1. Publisher (your best source but time consuming or impossible sometimes)
    Game's Instruction Manual (sometimes listed INSIDE)

2. http://gamefaqs.com (I contribute to them also)
    https://en.wikipedia.org (info on just about every game created)
    http://metacritic.com/game
    http://ign.com (decades of data)

3. game's artwork (illustrators sometimes get carried away which causes errors, confusion and ambiguity)

4. http://amazon.com (careless naming but good source of release dates)

I know many of you use these sites because I find their distinct errors showing up in some game data fields. So far I’ve edited thousands of games, strategy guides and other items. When I’m not positively sure about something, I may check up to a half dozen sources before I enter and/or correct data. If I can't confirm, I leave it alone. I also back test data such as UPC barcodes and ISBN’s. Rarely, but sometimes, you’ll even discover an incorrect one printed on the artwork.

This is off topic, but here’s a tip about ISBN’s which are primarily used for books (e.g., strategy guides). Our Style Guide requires that they be entered with dashes. This is very difficult to do correctly because publishers have unique formats. Here’s the truly simple and quick solution: http://isbn.org/ISBN_converter. It coverts an IBSN-10 to ISBN-13 and visa versa into its proper format with dashes. Also, you can enter the number to be converted with or without dashes. It flags bad numbers too! ISBN’s are a powerful way to locate a book anywhere in the world.

While I’ve gone astray while writing this, I want to emphasize that UPC numbers are 12-digits long (USA, Canada, et al) and ISBN’s are either 10 or 13-digits. So many users have confused the two and put them into the wrong data field. By the way, ISBN-13 is just the newer format and both return the same result in a search.

One last pet peeve, and I hope an administrator reads this. So many users don’t know the difference between a game’s publisher and its developer. To add to all this confusion, sometimes there's a third party involved, called a distributor. I've seen some prominent sites mistakenly think the distributor is the publisher. Please, write a post to explain the difference or revive an old one if previously done.

That’s enough of my rambling. Kindest regards to all.

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