So what are our thoughts on Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen coming bacc?

[sworddude]

The mostly positive reaction to Winds and Waves make no sense to me. It still looks like garbage despite being a Switch 2 exclusive. The waves in the trailer look fine but the ground textures still look like garbage. Those starters though.. wow. They are really out of ideas. I'd say starters started falling off around gen 5 with gen 9 being particularly bad but now they aren't even trying.

Weird choice to show very little gameplay of Pokémon Champions which is finally releasing for free on the original Switch in April.

I personally love the Pomeranian starter, so long as it doesn't evolve into Macho Man Randy Savage like Litten in Pokémon moon.   They keep making cute animals evovle into humanoid wierdos that walk like humans.

[bikingjahuty]

but unless they're over $100 loose, I'd say you might as well just get the physical cart and skip the digital copy.

so unironicly they are over a 100$ each for loose carts and not even from retro stores that put a markup on em, actual market value

Well id that's the case than I really don't have a problem with this. Unfortunately, accessibility becomes an issue over time as games age. This includes price, and despite Fire Red/Leaf Green being good games, they're nowhere near good enough to justify that sort of money. I feel like the entire Pokemon brand has become a bit of a Ponzi scheme in the last year or so and I'm not surprised the games have become part of that. If I didn't already own both games and I wasn't comfortable with emulating, then yeah, I'd fork over $20, or even $40 for both games just so I could avoid paying $100+ for a single loose cart + a GBA system assuming I didn't own one.

[bikingjahuty]

The mostly positive reaction to Winds and Waves make no sense to me. It still looks like garbage despite being a Switch 2 exclusive. The waves in the trailer look fine but the ground textures still look like garbage. Those starters though.. wow. They are really out of ideas. I'd say starters started falling off around gen 5 with gen 9 being particularly bad but now they aren't even trying.

Weird choice to show very little gameplay of Pokémon Champions which is finally releasing for free on the original Switch in April.

I've come to terms with that fact that Pokemon isn't a franchise for me anymore. It's sad when the last few generations make Sun and Moon look like a masterpiece despite Sun and Moon being the first Pokemon generation I just couldn't get into. I tried getting into Sword and Shield, and couldn't be bothered anymore just a few hours in. I still enjoy 6th gen and prior, but the new Pokemon games are just bland, soulless, and seemingly cater to toddlers and adult fanboys who've made their childhood nostalgia for Pokemon their personality. New Pokemon design has been crap for over a decade, and going down hill well before that. The formulaic gameplay has overstayed its welcome and somehow become even more watered down. I could go on and on, but new Pokemon does not appeal to me whatsoever. I'm at least happy I can still enjoy Red Version or Ruby, but it's undeniable that seeing Pokemon where it is now has made me a fraction of the Pokemon fan I used to be.

[ssj4yamgeta]

The mostly positive reaction to Winds and Waves make no sense to me. It still looks like garbage despite being a Switch 2 exclusive. The waves in the trailer look fine but the ground textures still look like garbage. Those starters though.. wow. They are really out of ideas. I'd say starters started falling off around gen 5 with gen 9 being particularly bad but now they aren't even trying.

To me, the water and human characters do look significantly better. Where it fails are the namesake pokemon, which Gamefreak insists on putting no effort into anymore. Would it have been too much to ask the AAA developer to put just a little bit of fuzz on Pikachu to make it look like a creature instead of a plastic blob? That's got to be my biggest problem with the 3D pokemon designs: They all look like injection-molded plastic toys instead of living creatures. They look like they're made out of the same material as rubber duckies and squeaky toys. And I agree about the starters. This is the third time there's been a gecko starter, and the second time it's been a water type. The grass-type bird (second one in the past 4 generations, by the way) looks like an Angry Birds reject. The most appealing one is the fire dog, but even that one is just Temu Growlithe.

[marvelvscapcom2]

but unless they're over $100 loose, I'd say you might as well just get the physical cart and skip the digital copy.

so unironicly they are over a 100$ each for loose carts and not even from retro stores that put a markup on em, actual market value

Well id that's the case than I really don't have a problem with this. Unfortunately, accessibility becomes an issue over time as games age. This includes price, and despite Fire Red/Leaf Green being good games, they're nowhere near good enough to justify that sort of money. I feel like the entire Pokemon brand has become a bit of a Ponzi scheme in the last year or so and I'm not surprised the games have become part of that. If I didn't already own both games and I wasn't comfortable with emulating, then yeah, I'd fork over $20, or even $40 for both games just so I could avoid paying $100+ for a single loose cart + a GBA system assuming I didn't own one.

Well with this logic, it's 300 dollars for earthbound. Another 100 for a super nintendo. Should they charge us 75 for the honor to play that port? It's about 20k dollar for stadium events. Nintendo and Bondai should rerelease that game and charge 1000 dollars on Eshop. It'd be a bargain because nintendo is running on the  "emulation is a sin and physical is expensive. So come to us and pay the piper" philosophy. Silent Hill 2 should have never been remastered. Just charge us 80 bucks to play the ps2 version again.  I can't accept that. I'm sorry.  It's extremely dangerous to gaming as a whole. That is giving them way too much upside at our expense. It's not the world we live in for any media. Digital versions of $20k comic books are like .99 cents. If that was the case the snes mini console should have been the price of a used car. All the expensive games it had on it. That's just marketing trickery and they've pidgeon holed gamers with this logic for too long.  They sold us a free item for 40 bucks.  They sold us a digital access key to 2 old GBA games that we dont even own forever for the same amount of money as a physical copy of Reanimal.  A 2026 new entry on home console. Let that sink in.  I am at a loss for words.


The cart being 150+ is because its a physical relic from 20 years ago that people grew up with. A item to curate that isnt printed anymore and has historical significance. I'd rather pay 150 for a bag of chips than 40 for a bag of air. 
The two items arent in the same world.  Nintendo themselves give us digital access to like 300+ games for 7 dollars a month plus other perks.  So the price doesnt make sense even off their own logic.  Why not add it to the gba part of nintendo online?    Which makes me think this is a gamefreak idea. Not a Nintendo one. Because Nintendo has actually been fair with their classics for a while now imo.   I give them that.  And it's one of my favorite things about them. If we dont draw the line here. I'll be paying 20 to play punchout on my switch. 

[2ko]

I'm confused about the outrage I've been seeing online. It's like people forgot game companies have been releasing old games on digital store front fro the past 20-years or something. I remember seeing games like Pokemon Snap and Ocarina of Time on the Virtual Console back in 2007 for like $12, which is practically $20 adjusted for inflation. I have no idea what Fire Red and Leaf Green go for these days physically, but unless they're over $100 loose, I'd say you might as well just get the physical cart and skip the digital copy. On top of that, I can't imagine it's very hard to find the roms for either of these, which seems to be a more and more common route people are taking with older games.

Me too. Maybe it's because I played a lot of Wii in my elementary/junior high days, but I remember paying 1000 Wii Points for Ocarina of Time lol I don't know why suddenly now people are super upset about it. Though tbf I feel $10 would have been way more reasonable. That's what Sony charges for PS classics I think.

As to why you would want these over emulating, its really for people who just don't know about emulating (such as 12 year old me who bought Ocarina of Time for like $10) or hardcore fans who want to use Pokemon home features (which are coming). It's kinda a waste of money for anyone else tbh. If you are a collector you probably have the game already, and if not just emulate it (or buy one of those retro handheds for like $50 that let you emulate like all the retro consoles. They are pretty sweet)