Author Topic: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021  (Read 67196 times)

ferraroso

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #270 on: August 25, 2020, 08:06:16 pm »
Common Name rules are in effect for this release. The name you put can be put into alt-name.

Hi Tripredacus

Thank you for your answer.
That's the point. Actually, the games' official names are Super Genjin and Super Genjin 2. Chou Genjin and Chou Genjin 2 should be the alt-names...

Once again, thank you for the reply.

dhaabi

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #271 on: August 25, 2020, 10:46:17 pm »
I recently found out that Wii Sports has two standard variants with different disc numbers, packaging numbers, and box text. I had created a new listing for the missing variant earlier this afternoon and put in much effort in transcribing the heavy amount of text for both item listings. Now, the item listing I had created has been deleted. The item listing I had originally created was here. Is there any reason why Wii Sports in particular cannot have two separate listings to detail the variances between them despite the three reasons listed above that give reason for it to exist?

Here is an image of the original listing's back packaging, with back item number C\RVL-RSPE-USA-2. This variant was packaged with the black Wii.

Here is an image of what was the variant listing's back packaging, with back item number 62022A. This variant was packaged with the white Wii.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2020, 11:09:50 pm by dhaabi »

tripredacus

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #272 on: August 26, 2020, 10:00:55 am »
Common Name rules are in effect for this release. The name you put can be put into alt-name.

Hi Tripredacus

Thank you for your answer.
That's the point. Actually, the games' official names are Super Genjin and Super Genjin 2. Chou Genjin and Chou Genjin 2 should be the alt-names...

Once again, thank you for the reply.

re: https://vgcollect.com/item/42783
You can put the actual text in box text.
In description you can put the actual title like so "front title: 超原人 - スーパーげんじん" but you can't put in a translation there.
Alt-name should be 超原人 - スーパーげんじん, Super Genjin, Super Bonk
(box title, translation title, localised title)

Unfortunately, since this is so limited, I would not think it would be worth to create a common name exception, since that takes a community vote. Otherwise, if you can get GameFaqs to use the correct title, then we can use it here too.

We aren't interested in having to teach people how to read or translate foreign languages. Also it takes a burden off of site staff from having to weigh what is important for non-natives and native speakers, and having to have some sort of understanding of the language in question, translation, transliteration and romanization.

Fortunately (for native Japanese speakers) the common name rule only applies to releases that can be found on GameFAQs. Releases that are not, which then would have no point of reference, can be named in the way you are thinking.

But basically understand that when we say this about how titles should be put, we aren't saying that you are wrong. We just have to accept that the community is not that interested in correctness of titles. And the rules in the style guide are mainly to work around the site's limitations. For item names, we only have 1 thing we can put, so we have to make a rule about it. Otherwise, people would put a name in (maybe from the box, or the spine, or the title screen, or what it says on gamefaqs, or a romanization, or a translation, or a transliteration) and while it may be correct, someone would come along and change it to something else.

I recently found out that Wii Sports has two standard variants with different disc numbers, packaging numbers, and box text. I had created a new listing for the missing variant earlier this afternoon and put in much effort in transcribing the heavy amount of text for both item listings. Now, the item listing I had created has been deleted. The item listing I had originally created was here. Is there any reason why Wii Sports in particular cannot have two separate listings to detail the variances between them despite the three reasons listed above that give reason for it to exist?

Here is an image of the original listing's back packaging, with back item number C\RVL-RSPE-USA-2. This variant was packaged with the black Wii.

Here is an image of what was the variant listing's back packaging, with back item number 62022A. This variant was packaged with the white Wii.


Yes, there are multiple versions of Wii Sports. In EU there are at least 4 and in the US there may be at least 2 also. I didn't see the entry, so I can't say. Another DB Admin must have done something to it.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2020, 10:02:34 am by tripredacus »

dhaabi

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #273 on: August 26, 2020, 11:22:42 am »
My proposed edits (image, item number, barcode) to Ore no Shikabane wo Koete Yuke - PlayStation [JP] were all denied to help differentiate this entry from its PlayStation the Best variant. So, now the two entries both have the same front box art image despite the standard variant having a different front cover.

Hard Edge - PlayStation [JP] has three variants. Hard Edge, Hard Edge - Value 1500, and Hard Edge - Collection Best. I created Hard Edge - Value 1500. The other remaining non-standard variant was already created without the differentiation in its name, so I proposed such an edit to be made. However, this was also denied. While the front box art for Value 1500 and Collection Best are the same, the obi strips help differentiate these entries from another and give reason for my proposed edit of Hard Edge - Collection Best to be approved. Am I misunderstanding why such a proposed edit shouldn't be approved? Because now, there are two entries titled Hard Edge without any differentiation in their names. If the edit for Hard Edge - Collection Best is in any way not acceptable, then an admin should also edit Hard Edge - Value 1500 to be also named simply Hard Edge. That way, three Hard Edge - PlayStation [JP] entries can exist at the same time without any name differentiation.


Yes, there are multiple versions of Wii Sports. In EU there are at least 4 and in the US there may be at least 2 also. I didn't see the entry, so I can't say. Another DB Admin must have done something to it.

If I create another entry, will it just be deleted again? I had proposed for Wii Sports to be renamed to Wii Sports (bundled with black Wii) while simultaneously creating a new entry for Wii Sports (bundled with white Wii). Should I instead propose an edit for the entry to be renamed to Wii Sports (C\RVL-RSPE-USA-2) while creating a Wii Sports (62022A) entry?

« Last Edit: August 26, 2020, 12:32:26 pm by dhaabi »

tripredacus

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #274 on: August 26, 2020, 11:54:28 am »
My proposed edits (image, item number, barcode) to Ore no Shikabane wo Koete Yuke - PlayStation [JP] were all denied to help differentiate this entry from its PlayStation the Best variant. So, now the two entries both have the same front box art image despite the standard variant having a different front cover.

Hard Edge - Collection Best.

If I create another entry, will it just be deleted again? I had proposed for Wii Sports to be renamed to Wii Sports (bundled with black Wii) while simultaneously creating a new entry for Wii Sports (bundled with white Wii). Should I instead propose an edit for the entry to be renamed to Wii Sports (C\RVL-RSPE-USA-2) while creating a Wii Sports (62022A) entry?

171623 was dupe, merged with 132188
The edit was rejected because of the original intent. Conversion of the entry was disallowed.

Hard Edge is Sunsoft Best, not Collection Best. Updated title.

The Wii Sports should not have been deleted if it wasn't a dupe. As I put before, I didn't see the entry so I do not know what it looked like.
The descriptors you mention are trivia and cannot be used in the item name. Descriptors, if used, should be something you can verify by looking at the actual item. If it doesn't say "Bundled with Black Wii" on the actual item, it cannot be used as a descriptor.

dhaabi

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #275 on: August 26, 2020, 12:31:41 pm »
Sorry for all the confusion on my part—just trying to help out with what I can. I'll keep the idea of original intent in mind from now.

 I know there are multiple admins who approve edit proposals, so discussing about why a certain decision was made can be difficult. Thanks!

ferraroso

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #276 on: August 26, 2020, 08:20:48 pm »
Unfortunately, since this is so limited, I would not think it would be worth to create a common name exception, since that takes a community vote. Otherwise, if you can get GameFaqs to use the correct title, then we can use it here too.

So, the games should be listed as Super Bonk and Super Bonk 2 as these are the main names used by both GameFaqs and Moby Games, right?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/588722-super-bonk
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/581900-super-bonk-2
https://www.mobygames.com/game/snes/super-bonk

tripredacus

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #277 on: August 27, 2020, 09:53:15 am »
Unfortunately, since this is so limited, I would not think it would be worth to create a common name exception, since that takes a community vote. Otherwise, if you can get GameFaqs to use the correct title, then we can use it here too.

So, the games should be listed as Super Bonk and Super Bonk 2 as these are the main names used by both GameFaqs and Moby Games, right?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/588722-super-bonk
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/581900-super-bonk-2
https://www.mobygames.com/game/snes/super-bonk

For verifying release names on Gamefaqs you need to look at each individual entry in the media section, or use the Release Data option in the menu. That is how you get the names we use on the site. The lack of a connection between names to actual releases is the reason why Mobygames was put as a secondary naming source on the list. They just have an unconnected "alternate titles" list on the main game page.

So these would be the links to use instead of the main links you put (which is for the game data)
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/588722-super-bonk/data
or https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/588722-super-bonk/images/14298
and
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/581900-super-bonk-2/data
or https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/581900-super-bonk-2/images/121660

And there you can see the names connected to releases.
These names match to exact releases as depicted. If there is a variant, we will use that name also. But if there is a release not on gamefaqs but is on mobygames, you can use the name from mobygames, or necretro or elisoftware or crimson-ceremony or whatever website you're looking at. But we typically want to go 1. Gamefaqs and 2. Mobygames and 3. whatever, just because Gamefaqs connects names to releases.

fazerco

PRO Supporter

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #278 on: August 29, 2020, 10:06:12 am »
For mods, i changed front because it was smaller then other pictures

https://vgcollect.com/item/171207

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #279 on: August 29, 2020, 04:52:00 pm »
https://vgcollect.com/item/46047 item number for the release with a barcode is SCES-55093 (I own this disc). The SCES-55098 is for a version that's bundled with buzzers which doesn't have a barcode and should have separate entry here on VGCollect. https://psxdatacenter.com/psx2/pal_list2.html http://redump.org/discs/system/ps2/region/Eu/status/4/sort/serial/letter/b/ and https://wiki.pcsx2.net/Buzz!_Pop_Quiz lists them properly.

« Last Edit: August 31, 2020, 11:31:16 am by tripredacus »

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #280 on: September 01, 2020, 04:36:31 pm »
https://vgcollect.com/item/47336 has the wrong barcode – it should be 3296580808922 3296580800922

example with visible barcode: https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/gra-tekken-6-xbox-360-bcm-i7669950745.html

« Last Edit: September 02, 2020, 09:28:16 am by tripredacus »

dhaabi

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #281 on: September 02, 2020, 10:33:12 am »
My proposed edits for Angelique Special 2 were denied. Some information for this entry is wrong as it instead takes information—the item number, barcode, and media art, in particular—from its variant Angelique Special 2 - Premium Box. Information for the original variant can be verified here, while information for the Premium Box can be verified here. Lastly, the media art for the original variant currently showcases the disc for - Premium Box. The correct disc for the original variant is shown here.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2020, 10:35:30 am by dhaabi »

tripredacus

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #282 on: September 02, 2020, 12:09:21 pm »
My proposed edits for Angelique Special 2 were denied. Some information for this entry is wrong as it instead takes information—the item number, barcode, and media art, in particular—from its variant Angelique Special 2 - Premium Box. Information for the original variant can be verified here, while information for the Premium Box can be verified here. Lastly, the media art for the original variant currently showcases the disc for - Premium Box. The correct disc for the original variant is shown here.

Right so the edits were rejected because we do not allow for entry conversions. Any time it looks like that is what is happening, it will be denied.

Currently there are 3 entries in the db for this game:
Angelique Special 2 (the one in question): https://vgcollect.com/item/32597
Koei the Best: https://vgcollect.com/item/185426
Premium Box: https://vgcollect.com/item/185427

The information on 32597 that is being contested is not wholly important, as you notice this information was not added by the entry creator.
Is the implication here that there is only 2 releases of this game, the Premium Box and the Koei Best and there is no stand-alone release?

Also I notice in your edits and new items being created where you are using a truncated item number as descriptor. You need to use the full item number. See here for an example: https://vgcollect.com/search/advanced/84/%22call%20of%20duty%20ghosts%22/no-filter/ALL/ALL/ALL/ALL/ALL/no-filter/no-filter/no-filter

dhaabi

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #283 on: September 03, 2020, 10:57:25 am »
Right so the edits were rejected because we do not allow for entry conversions. Any time it looks like that is what is happening, it will be denied.

Currently there are 3 entries in the db for this game:
Angelique Special 2 (the one in question): https://vgcollect.com/item/32597
Koei the Best: https://vgcollect.com/item/185426
Premium Box: https://vgcollect.com/item/185427

The information on 32597 that is being contested is not wholly important, as you notice this information was not added by the entry creator.
Is the implication here that there is only 2 releases of this game, the Premium Box and the Koei Best and there is no stand-alone release?

Also I notice in your edits and new items being created where you are using a truncated item number as descriptor. You need to use the full item number. See here for an example: https://vgcollect.com/search/advanced/84/%22call%20of%20duty%20ghosts%22/no-filter/ALL/ALL/ALL/ALL/ALL/no-filter/no-filter/no-filter

So, to have the item entries being correct, would I need to create a new entry for Angelique Special 2 with all of the correct information on my own, since I would be the original entry creator? The implication is that there are three separate and unique releases (32597, 185426, and 185427.)

As for the descriptors, I'll be sure to amend those changes and keep that in mind for future edits.

tripredacus

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2021
« Reply #284 on: September 03, 2020, 12:08:06 pm »
Right so the edits were rejected because we do not allow for entry conversions. Any time it looks like that is what is happening, it will be denied.

Currently there are 3 entries in the db for this game:
Angelique Special 2 (the one in question): https://vgcollect.com/item/32597
Koei the Best: https://vgcollect.com/item/185426
Premium Box: https://vgcollect.com/item/185427

The information on 32597 that is being contested is not wholly important, as you notice this information was not added by the entry creator.
Is the implication here that there is only 2 releases of this game, the Premium Box and the Koei Best and there is no stand-alone release?

Also I notice in your edits and new items being created where you are using a truncated item number as descriptor. You need to use the full item number. See here for an example: https://vgcollect.com/search/advanced/84/%22call%20of%20duty%20ghosts%22/no-filter/ALL/ALL/ALL/ALL/ALL/no-filter/no-filter/no-filter

So, to have the item entries being correct, would I need to create a new entry for Angelique Special 2 with all of the correct information on my own, since I would be the original entry creator? The implication is that there are three separate and unique releases (32597, 185426, and 185427.)

I thought your original report here was that 32597 was a franken entry, having info for the Premium Box.
I am asking if a regular version exists, of which you didn't respond. Rather you said there was an original variant. It is a mixup of terms. I have corrected 32597.