Author Topic: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024  (Read 21202 times)

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #165 on: October 20, 2024, 10:51:19 pm »
https://www.vgcollect.com/item/147899 is not a valid entry.  Jr. Pac-Man was never released by Atari in a silver box, only red boxes such as the following:

https://vgcollect.com/item/95130  (1986 variant)
https://vgcollect.com/item/274948 (1987 variant)
https://vgcollect.com/item/274949 (1988 variant)

Unfortunately, the original entry is sparse on details, so it could be either of the three variants.


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Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #166 on: October 20, 2024, 11:01:52 pm »
The following A2600 [EU] entry for Activision's Enuduro, https://vgcollect.com/item/107873, has the cartridge image for the Australian release, https://vgcollect.com/item/273052.  Otherwise, the only other European release of Enduro with a green cartridge is https://vgcollect.com/item/143694

« Last Edit: October 21, 2024, 09:44:42 am by tripredacus »

dhaabi

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #167 on: October 23, 2024, 04:51:41 pm »
If we can find an easy way to distinct the companies then we can certainly do it. It isn't like Mobygames where they have a wiki-like design and they actually have pages for all these different versions of Atari (and everything else) that makes it easier to use as reference. And while anyone could just use Mobygames to reference it, we can't expect everyone to do that and I can tell you that 99.9% of our users don't know there even is a difference or don't care. And frankly we should want to be at or get to a point where we don't need to rely on an outside website to manage our information. And then the other issue is that other reference websites have conflicting information. So 1 Atari to rule them all is way easier as far as attributes on a game database goes.

If there is to be only one Atari selection for the purposes of our site, then the options need to be condensed. Of course, I could make that action, but I'm posting this comment more as a means of making sure that's still the action we're needing to take.

tripredacus

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #168 on: October 24, 2024, 09:36:09 am »
That is in regards to Atari vs Atari Corporation in the Publishers list. I would consider Atarimania to be the authoritative source on Atari releases over Mobygames or any other website.

dhaabi

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #169 on: October 24, 2024, 09:57:08 am »
That is in regards to Atari vs Atari Corporation in the Publishers list. I would consider Atarimania to be the authoritative source on Atari releases over Mobygames or any other website.

So, Atari and Atari Corporation should be merged together? I returned to this topic because I am routinely encountering edit submissions in the queue that seek to change one of the options to the other. In the latest batch of edits, I rejected them until some definitive answer and action is made.

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #170 on: October 25, 2024, 07:26:10 am »
https://www.vgcollect.com/item/65963 - I submitted an updated front and back cover for the Mario Bros. Atari 2600 [EU] release, but the back cover image was rejected.  If you look close at the bottom of the current image (as well as the original front image), you will notice that it is for the Australian release https://vgcollect.com/item/273653, thus the reason was updating the image.

dhaabi

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #171 on: October 25, 2024, 09:14:15 am »
https://www.vgcollect.com/item/65963 - I submitted an updated front and back cover for the Mario Bros. Atari 2600 [EU] release, but the back cover image was rejected.  If you look close at the bottom of the current image (as well as the original front image), you will notice that it is for the Australian release https://vgcollect.com/item/273653, thus the reason was updating the image.

Thanks for clarifying. I've removed the back art for 65963.

tripredacus

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #172 on: October 25, 2024, 10:48:04 am »
That is in regards to Atari vs Atari Corporation in the Publishers list. I would consider Atarimania to be the authoritative source on Atari releases over Mobygames or any other website.

So, Atari and Atari Corporation should be merged together? I returned to this topic because I am routinely encountering edit submissions in the queue that seek to change one of the options to the other. In the latest batch of edits, I rejected them until some definitive answer and action is made.

I do not have an answer to that question. Basically the primary issue is that Atari has been at least 3 different companies over the years but always just use the Atari logo despite having different official names. Should the option selected in the game entry reflect the logo or the name Atari happened to have been calling itself at the time? It is the type of thing that could be made into a poll, but I fear the amount of input would be extremely limited. Not due to forum participation but rather the amount of die-hard Atari collectors that participate in the forum can be counted on one hand.

If it comes down to it, we can run a poll. But even in that case, we would need to be provided with a ruleset for handling which Atari corporate name is used in which situation. Like if it can be narrowed down to something simple like MM/YY-MM/YY uses Atari, another range uses Atari Corp, another uses the other name that was already merged, we can use that. But if there is overlap in the name uses we can't. I haven't dug into this situation myself to know if rules like that can be crafted or if it wouldn't work.

I'm personally fine with merging the two into one, going on the current practice that we drop trade declarations on company names, but I don't want to just do it on my own.

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #173 on: October 25, 2024, 10:57:25 am »
https://vgcollect.com/item/61229

ambiguous entry. FR pictures & Barcode.
description with promotion texts?
afaik illegal item number. Should have -FRA if french. cartridge is always -UKV. Afaik DE, IT and FR got there own box+manual, all other english.

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tripredacus

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #174 on: October 25, 2024, 11:36:07 am »
https://vgcollect.com/item/61229

ambiguous entry. FR pictures & Barcode.
description with promotion texts?
afaik illegal item number. Should have -FRA if french. cartridge is always -UKV. Afaik DE, IT and FR got there own box+manual, all other english.

It is common to see cart item numbers as the main item number on older entries.

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #175 on: October 25, 2024, 12:40:16 pm »
no the cart has -UKV thats the point. There is afaik no -EUR for this game - thats why I'm confused what this should be. There may be a benelux release with a -EUR on box, but I doubt they have a different cart suffix than UKV.
The uk (which was distributed also spain (+ portugal?), nordic (finnish, swedish) according to the manual), french, german and italian release all have -UKV on the cart.

dhaabi

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #176 on: October 25, 2024, 01:29:12 pm »
no the cart has -UKV thats the point. There is afaik no -EUR for this game - thats why I'm confused what this should be. There may be a benelux release with a -EUR on box, but I doubt they have a different cart suffix than UKV.
The uk (which was distributed also spain (+ portugal?), nordic (finnish, swedish) according to the manual), french, german and italian release all have -UKV on the cart.

Based on the original entry details, 61229 has been updated to Retro Arcade Classics [FR] with Description details reflecting a -UKV cartridge number.

dhaabi

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #177 on: October 25, 2024, 01:30:52 pm »
That is in regards to Atari vs Atari Corporation in the Publishers list. I would consider Atarimania to be the authoritative source on Atari releases over Mobygames or any other website.

So, Atari and Atari Corporation should be merged together? I returned to this topic because I am routinely encountering edit submissions in the queue that seek to change one of the options to the other. In the latest batch of edits, I rejected them until some definitive answer and action is made.

I do not have an answer to that question. Basically the primary issue is that Atari has been at least 3 different companies over the years but always just use the Atari logo despite having different official names. Should the option selected in the game entry reflect the logo or the name Atari happened to have been calling itself at the time? It is the type of thing that could be made into a poll, but I fear the amount of input would be extremely limited. Not due to forum participation but rather the amount of die-hard Atari collectors that participate in the forum can be counted on one hand.

If it comes down to it, we can run a poll. But even in that case, we would need to be provided with a ruleset for handling which Atari corporate name is used in which situation. Like if it can be narrowed down to something simple like MM/YY-MM/YY uses Atari, another range uses Atari Corp, another uses the other name that was already merged, we can use that. But if there is overlap in the name uses we can't. I haven't dug into this situation myself to know if rules like that can be crafted or if it wouldn't work.

I'm personally fine with merging the two into one, going on the current practice that we drop trade declarations on company names, but I don't want to just do it on my own.

The question then is if I should continue approving such edit submissions or reject them. I'm only asking this publicly so that others can know if it's worth their time proposing such changes.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2024, 01:33:28 pm by dhaabi »

sworddude

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #178 on: October 25, 2024, 05:29:52 pm »
I tried to edit this yu gi oh duelist roses listing with the correct front yet it was rejected since a german version has a sticker on the front

However this listing is the english version with english backside

https://vgcollect.com/item/78152

The english cover should be superior over the german one. this ain't a german version. the current front cover is wrong

can people actually use some glasses back there before they reject stuff?

« Last Edit: October 25, 2024, 05:31:41 pm by sworddude »
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dhaabi

Re: Error Listings and rejected edits 2024
« Reply #179 on: October 25, 2024, 05:54:27 pm »
I tried to edit this yu gi oh duelist roses listing with the correct front yet it was rejected since a german version has a sticker on the front

However this listing is the english version with english backside

https://vgcollect.com/item/78152

If you take the time to read the entry details, you would see that the artwork you're trying to submit is incorrect as it is for the UK variant. Here is an eBay listing for the item with barcode 4012927024300.

Meanwhile, here is an eBay listing for the "card text left" German variant. And here is an eBay listing for the "card text left" British variant.

However, this is not to say that the entry names for this group of items are ideal. From my observation, 78152 and 270645 should have two entry name descriptors (e.g. (card text left / Achtung!) and (card text left / Deutsche Version)) while clarifying in the Description field that they were released in Germany. 270641 (and 270642) should omit the TLD. I will let nathan776 handle those actions, though.
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