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IGN just acquired a ton of their competitors
tripredacus:
All major new sources have paid articles. It even happens in television news, especially for local TV news where segments consist of three things primarily: 1. Local stories, 2. national stories, 3. paid stories. The paid stories are done as a form of advertising, they are either acquired by the company itself (they have sales departments) or come from one of the services they subscribe to. Print media does the same thing and since online news websites are based on the workings of legacy (print and television) media, it is expected that they work the same way.
In the early internet things were different because those legacy media corporations did not have a large foothold. Sure they had their own websites but there were many other websites that sprang up where news was being delivered by non-affiliated aka regular people. This is "on the streets" reporting which is usually better in at least that it is organic. Over time those new internet alternatives disappeared, either were bought by the new guard of online media (who were able to suplant legacy media since they were not quick enough to adapt) or disappeared over time like forums. Independent media barely exists now and the on-the-streets equivalent is only found on social media sites.
There is always going to be bias. The big company's bias is driven by money and the regular person bias is their own opinions. You won't ever escape that as there are far too few people who are able to deliver information in that way. And if metrics are correct, people tend to prefer news that is biased or opinionated more than just straight information. Straight info is the domian of specialized fields (science and finance) and the average person is not interested in that type of information.
kypherion:
--- Quote from: telekill on May 21, 2024, 02:49:54 pm ---Game journalism has been... not great... for a long time. There's a lot of crap out there. The best of the gaming sites IMO, GameTrailers.com, died out a long time ago.
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This.
From IGN's "Gone to GameCube" article found here:https://www.ign.com/articles/2002/02/11/gone-to-gamecube.
Just straight up news with some screenshots you might not find anywhere else. No "Opinion" articles like on Kotaku. I don't know who wrote the article (IGN says "Peer/96Sturmvogel96") and to be honest I don't care. It gets the job done and that's what matters. I have information and knowledge, not some "freelance writer" profile picture sitting in my memory.
It doesn't feel like news anymore either. IMHO the overall standard of diction has decreased (I say, using an acronym). Further back it felt like an actual group peer reviewed magazines and even websites to make the diction feel like this is a statement made by an organization. Instead, nowadays an article is written by Joe Schmo with his twitter handle in his IGN profile. E.g., my "Pocket Games 7" GameCube guide (not endorsed by Nintendo) FEELS like a gaming magazine. IGN articles do not feel like gaming magazines and instead feel like a paper. I'm aware a magazine is not a website, however the writing principle is the same.
telekill:
--- Quote from: dhaabi on May 23, 2024, 12:15:40 pm ---While I don't interact with any of the affected news outlets at all, the major takeaway is industry consolidation. In short, competition is good.
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--- Quote from: telekill on May 21, 2024, 02:49:54 pm ---Unfortunately, both IGN and PushSquare groups are heavily left leaning, so if they post anything that has to do with politics, even moderately conservative opinions will be removed and users banned.
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I would argue the worse part is that these so called journalists directly try to push their agendas, directly want to take influence on creative freedom and basically dictate what is ok and what isn't (in their mind).
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Both left and right wing politics have a vocal voice within the industry. While journalism itself may be dominated by the former, there are just as many news coverage and reactionary YouTube channels for the latter, which the argument could be made are just as influential with their respective audiences. If you think one group "directly [tries] to push their agendas" and wants "to take influence on creative freedom and basically dictate what is ok," then you must acknowledge that the statement applies to individuals from both groups, and certainly not all individuals. That is all I have to say on the matter.
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Please give me examples of conservative leaning gaming media. Not poking the bear. Genuinely want to know about them so I can watch their content.
dhaabi:
--- Quote from: telekill on May 23, 2024, 05:53:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: dhaabi on May 23, 2024, 12:15:40 pm ---Both left and right wing politics have a vocal voice within the industry. While journalism itself may be dominated by the former, there are just as many news coverage and reactionary YouTube channels for the latter, which the argument could be made are just as influential with their respective audiences.
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Please give me examples of conservative leaning gaming media. Not poking the bear. Genuinely want to know about them so I can watch their content.
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Search for the latest major "controversy" in gaming news. For example, you'll have luck when searching news for the upcoming game Assassin's Creed Shadows regarding its protagonist. Similar to what tripredacus explained, this is more like "on the streets" reporting since these channels are largely independent, although I'm sure a considerable amount are sponsored. Regardless, these channels certainly have dedicated audiences.
BinaryMessiah:
--- Quote from: telekill on May 22, 2024, 06:20:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: BinaryMessiah on May 22, 2024, 01:41:54 am ---
--- Quote from: telekill on May 21, 2024, 07:06:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: BinaryMessiah on May 21, 2024, 06:37:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: telekill on May 21, 2024, 02:49:54 pm ---Game journalism has been... not great... for a long time. There's a lot of crap out there. The best of the gaming sites IMO, GameTrailers.com, died out a long time ago. Unfortunately, both IGN and PushSquare groups are heavily left leaning, so if they post anything that has to do with politics, even moderately conservative opinions will be removed and users banned. I know this as I have been temp banned from both sites at some point for expressing a non-hostile conservative opinion.
Where am I going with this, you may be asking... If IGN has bought out their competitors, then there is no great loss. It's simply the consolidation of the same opinion under one banner and this will have zero impact on the readers and those that interact on their sites. That is... until with everything in the gaming industry at the moment... they start to downsize.
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It has nothing to do with being "left leaning". To be honest, most of the top comments on all IGN posts are heavily right leaning. Usually some pretty sick stuff at that. Politics have nothing to do with this consolidation. It's about finances. We're headed towards another 80's game crash. Everything is about profit and pleasing share holders now. Gaming isn't about the art of it anymore. AAA games will implode, and all that will be left are the indie titles that have held the gaming industry up for the last decade. Small gaming sites can no longer thrive like they used to.
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You missed what I was trying to convey. These sites all have the same ideals, the same mindset. They're essentially all the same. Now that it's all under one banner... there's been no loss.
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I didn't miss your point. Your point is purely political, and there isn't any sort of agenda. The loss is huge. This isn't good for the gaming industry. Every site being under one banner means less trust, more shady back room deals, and a lot of people aren't going to trust any reviews on these sites anymore. IGN already has a bad enough reputation and this is going to seem like the Amazon or Starbucks of the gaming journalism industry. Buying up everybody, monopolizing, and killing trust. But sure, it's all about "leftist" ideas. Whatever that means.
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Fair enough. You didn't miss my point. You saw it and ignored it entirely.
If you still have trust in the reviews these sites have then I don't know what to tell you. They haven't been trustworthy... any of them... in at least a decade.
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I didn't ignore it. I clearly addressed it. Your point was that sites being left leaning and political makes them untrustworthy. That was your point, and I addressed it as such. I also never once said I trusted anything.
I will agree with you that you can't trust most sites anymore, and gaming reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt from journalists. I usually go towards user reviews these days, and even then you have to be cautious with review bombing, which can be misleading, or an entire game getting negative reviews over a single issue.
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