Cart based systems vs. my HDTV! FIGHT!

[torvez]

Hey guys!
I've been having a hell of a time trying to figure this one out.
When I try to connect any cart based system via AV(NES, SNES, Genesis, you name it) to my HDTV, I get no picture or sound.
In fact, it doesn't even pick up a signal at all!
They all work through RF, but they look pretty bad.
But when I try to connect a disc based system via AV, no problems at all. Ever.
The TV has "all in one" component in's.
The in's on the TV are:
Y/Video
Pb
Pr
L
R

Yellow is in Y
White is in L
Red is in R
The other 2 are left empty.

I even bought an AV splitter to try and solve the problem.
Sega Saturn: Works
PS2: Works
NES: Nope
SNES: NO
N64: NOO
Genesis: Are you kidding me?!?!

It's a 32" Dynex from Best Buy

I've been dealing with this for a year, finally can't take it anymore!
I'd buy a new TV, but I'm not in any position to do that right now.
Can anyone help me out?
I'd really appreciate it!
Thanks, guys!

[sin2beta]

I have a 37 inch dynex from Best Buy purchased at approximately the same time frame. Mine has 6 inputs. I looked up your model and don't have the faintest idea due to the differences....

but, have a suggestion. If you have a DVD player with component output lying around, plug the cart based system into the DVD player and have the DVD player output in component. I'm curious to see if that works. This is the setup I use to record footage so I don't have to move wires around.

Otherwise I do RGB Scart converted to component. It works well too. Produces a sharper image than S-video for the old consoles.

[thomascozine]

I have 47" LG and I have no issues whatsoever. I only have to change it from 16:9 to 4:3 depending on what I'm playing. I have video in fact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd14MuTzIdI

Best I can say is make absolutely sure you're plugging the connectors into the right spots. You may have put them in to the component inputs instead of the composite inputs.

[soera]

Its hard for me to tell whats what without some sort of pic. Can you snap one and post it up? I can probably help you then.

[torvez]

Thanks for the replies!
Sin, could you link me to an SCART - RBG converter? I don't know anything about SCART.
I have a VCR player that may do the trick though.
Here is a pic, Soera:

[soera]

Which cables are you using exactly? After looking at that, the way you had it plugged in is correct. May want to try a different set of cables.

[torvez]

Which cables are you using exactly? After looking at that, the way you had it plugged in is correct. May want to try a different set of cables.

I've tried various sets of cables on each system, none of them work.

[topspot123]

Just a suggestion, try to run the signals through a vcr first.  NES via RCA into VHS, out of VHS into TV.  I haven't a clue if it will help, but try it if you can. 

[haloofthesun]

For some HDTVs older consoles will not work, even when using component cables (Red White Yellow), even when there are hookups for it. This is fairly rare, though. Supposedly it's the TV not knowing what to do with the resolution. However, with most HDTVs it should work, albeit very stretched out and distorted, plus the fact that the TV will show you things you weren't necessarily meant to see. A CRTV didn't show you certain methods the developers used to create graphics and they would take advantage of the poor quality (often using it to blur two colors together).

Anyway, back on topic: My HDTV plays any console I have just fine with one exception: the N64. Plug it in: no signal. Use the same A/V cable with the SNES and it plays just fine, so it isn't the SNES. Hook the N64 up to a CRT: it works! It turns out this is a common issue and even Nintendo isn't sure why this problem occurs. It only happens with certain HDTVs, and even if you get your N64 to work, not every game will work with every HDTV.

[soera]

Could very well be whats up.

[sin2beta]

I'll post stuff on SCART, but wanted to say that the VCR probably won't work. It acts as a passthrough for the game AV to the TV. It's essentially an AV switcher, like he already has. Now, if you have something that converts it to Component, you might be in business.

[sin2beta]

SCART to Component for Retro Game systems 101

Retro Game Girl (tragically undersubscribed channel. One of the most intelligent users) has a great intro video and goes over the equipment and setup.

For a nice video demonstration (skip to around 1:30):

Honestly, I can't tell a difference between SCART to component and Sonic Ultimate Genesis collection on 360 through HDMI. It's amazing. It changes the crappy 240 signal most systems outputted in composite to 480i (depending on if the console is capable). This might be important due to an earlier post talking about your TV possibly not accepting certain resolutions. I don't know if that is indeed the case though.

RGB and component also fixes a lot of colors and gets them much closer to what they are supposed to be like.

If you want to take it a step further, you can also create scanlines on HDTVs with an SLG 3000. This is the next big purchase for me and my dreamcast.

It's an insane amount of stuff. But not as much, as one initially thinks looking at this stuff. Getting stuff like this is also one reason I focused my collection down. I wanted to concentrate on sound and video quality along with accessories. But anyways, hopefully the above will give you all you need to know about video game output on retro game consoles. Definitely post if you have any questions.

[sin2beta]

Links to equipment:

Scart to component
http://www.amazon.com/SPECIALTY-AV-SCART-Component-Converter-Genesis/dp/B004XSSDPO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372379486&sr=8-1&keywords=genesis+rgb

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dreamcast-scart-rgb-cable-by-pelican-new-/160823188810?pt=US_Video_Game_Cables_Adapters&hash=item2571cf1d4a

These are by no means the cheapest options. But looking and waiting would be involved. You can also find SCART cables with the standard red/white audio cables attached if you wait and look for them. RetroGameGirl describes the equipment well. I would follow her advice since she walks through the setup. It's an automatic reference.

[torvez]

Thanks alot, Sin!
I can't afford the equipment right now unfortunately.
But as soon as I can, I'm going upgrade to that setup.
That picture difference is crazy!
Lol, I guess I can't complain, after all I did get the TV for $150. But still...
I just hope when I do get it, it will work and not have the same issues...

[sin2beta]

I wouldn't pick it up to fix the problem. I don't know exactly what is with you TV, so who know what will fix it.

But the setup is expensive. It is something I am slowly working on. But, definitely keep the money toward the business. Starting up is the rough part. I remember my parents starting a store when I was a kid. It's exciting, stressful, and hard. But being your own boss is priceless.

And remember, a lot of purchases can be tax write offs. Who knows, you may want a demo unit at your booth?