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General and Gaming => Modern Video Games => Topic started by: kamikazekeeg on September 10, 2024, 03:26:47 pm
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Damn, Sony is having a year. From the Helldivers 2 mess, to the much bigger disaster of Concord, to a little bright light with Astro Bot, to announcing that the new Playstation 5 Pro is 700 dollars, with no disc drive that is sold separately, along with the stand, meaning the full setup would cost over 800 dollars. It sounds even worse people outside the U.S. from what I'm reading.
I'm both a console and PC gamer and as someone that just got a new PC, I have little reason to get this for the likely small performance boost it'll offer. They talk up all the GPU and AI upscaling stuff, but I haven't played a game on PS5 so far that I'm like "Dang, I wish I had a better system for this". I don't even think they were taking full advantage of the PS5 to begin with as I think games nowadays are optimized super poorly. They push to hard for graphic fidelity and not actual performance.
https://www.gematsu.com/2024/09/playstation-5-pro-announced-launches-november-7-for-699
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Yeah. There's no way in hell I'm buying a PS5 Pro. Even here in the States (we're not united anymore so no point in putting that part in), it's $700 which is paltry in comparison to the $880 expected from those living in the EU.
1. No disc drive. (seperate cost of $80)
2. Devs can't even max out the PS5 as it is.
3. Little to no discernable difference in visuals.
4. Few games of interest for the entire generation.
5. No games in the pipe that are must haves.
No thanks Sony. Take the PS5 Pro and shove it up your greedy asses.
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At this price, you might as well stay on a PC or buy one for those who don't have one yet.
And yes it's worse for Europe, you have to pay more than 900 euros if you want the dis drive and the vertical stand.
I think in Canada it's even around 1,000 dollars.
No games, no disc drive, no vertical stand and no difference in the graphics (or at least very minimal).
They really cracked at sony and didn't learn anything from their mistakes with the PS3
I hope it's a big flop.
This opens the door to all kinds of abuses, the industry is doing very badly.
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$300 more (~$400 if you want a disc drive) than the digital PS5 for what exactly? Better PS4 backwards compatibility?
PS4 Pro was $400 (the price of a PS4) and they dropped the price of PS4 to reflect that.
I have now watched the actual presentation. So the main selling point is the main selling point as the original PS5 except now they are exaggerating slightly less than before? 4K 60fps gaming wooo!!! Oh whoops we forgot to deliver on that, here it is now for a few more games woo!! Oh and did Cerny really just admit more gamers choose performance modes over fidelity modes? That seems like a big thing to publicly admit.
My experience with ray tracing is that it makes things darker for realism. Comparing Fortnite on PS4 and PS5 it at times seems like a disadvantage on PS5 with how dark the shadows can be in buildings. I guess in single player games that isn't really an issue but being darker doesn't seem like a selling point.
CNET published an exclusive look at PS5 Pro and I honestly thought when comparing the Horizon Forbidden West gameplay that the PS5 Pro gameplay was the PS5 because it looked darker and less vibrant.
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$300 more (~$400 if you want a disc drive) than the digital PS5 for what exactly? Better PS4 backwards compatibility?
PS4 Pro was $400 (the price of a PS4) and they dropped the price of PS4 to reflect that.
Yeah I was surprised that I didn't see anything about a PS5 price drop, I thought that was the normal path, you drop the old system down abit, and then you have the new pro system be abit more costly with the extra hardware, but to have this be 300 dollars more outright than the previous versions is wild.
It's kinda funny watching them try to justify the performance boost. They start with fidelity mode on normal systems, because fidelity mode often runs kinda poorly to make up for visuals, but I think looks bad no matter what, so you compare it to that and it seems like a big boost. The problem is the comparison between performance mode and Pro is minor and they have to show zoomed in, non-moving, gameplay to even make it seem like something that matters. You will basically never notice the added fidelity in Spider-Man 2 on Pro while swinging and fighting compared to just playing on performance on a standard system. I've seen far too many people say they can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps, which is insane to me lol, but the difference between Performance Mode and Pro is a much smaller gap than that.
*EDIT* An interesting sidenote as I didn't watch the actual presentation, but from someone else's video on it, was that on the PS5, 3/4's of players would use performance mode over fidelity mode. It's very clear that I think people are far more interested in performance than overall fidelity and I wish Sony and other companies would take notice of this. I don't think most people truly care how realistic Ellie's pores are, or how you can see every single strand of hair on Alloy's hair, when what matters most is always going to be how well it plays as a videogame.
That also means that most people who would even get a Pro, aren't really going to see some huge leap in quality. They were already playing Spider-Man or Last of Us at 60 fps, but now textures at a distance are nicer is hardly worth the extra cost of an upgrade, or justifying spending 300 more dollars over a Slim. Why spend 300 bucks more, when a new customer could use that extra money to just buy a bunch of the best games they've been waiting to play?
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I have a bit of a theory about the PS5 Pro beyond Sony trying to milk more money out of their aging platform. Between the announcement of no disk drive, the high price point, and Gamestop recently announcing they are going to put an emphasis on selling retro games, I think this is a dry run for next generation, at least from Sony's point of view. I think they want to see how well received a digital only, super expensive console will go over with consumers as a way of judging whether or not to continue using discs or not. Gamestop likely knew about this well before we did and have been preparing to pivot their focus on retro games as a way of preparing for the upcoming storm. I believe Nintendo confirmed their next gen console will still use physical media, but that console alone isn't going to keep Gamestop in business. As for Microsoft, I don't think there is any doubt their next gen XBOX will be digital only seeing how they've been actively phasing out physical games already this gen anyways. But back on point. The PS5 Pro is a test to see where the PS6 will go, and if people's general reactions so far are anything to go by, I think Sony will at least reconsider going digital only next gen, but we'll see.
On a personal note, the PS5 is already my least favorite Sony console, mostly due to the lack of worthwhile exclusives. Like previous Sony consoles, i just assumed the games were coming, however between most "exclusives" getting mutligen releases between the PS4 and PS5, as the PS5 exclusive games being somewhat sparse, I mostly regret owning a PS5. With that said, there's no way in hell I'd purchase a PS5 Pro, even if it had a disc drove or was prices around $500 or less. Not only that, but I noticed a marginal difference in performance during the tech demo video when comparing a standard PS5 to a Pro. Honesty, I can't justify a PS5 Pro purchase for anyone. I'm sure some Sony diehards will buy it anyways, but as for me I'll likely forget it even exists in a few months. Sony has really been shitting the bed this gen and as someone who has loved all the previous Sony consoles, it's sad to see.
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$300 more (~$400 if you want a disc drive) than the digital PS5 for what exactly? Better PS4 backwards compatibility?
PS4 Pro was $400 (the price of a PS4) and they dropped the price of PS4 to reflect that.
Yeah I was surprised that I didn't see anything about a PS5 price drop, I thought that was the normal path, you drop the old system down abit, and then you have the new pro system be abit more costly with the extra hardware, but to have this be 300 dollars more outright than the previous versions is wild.
We are witnessing the worst gen in years, consoles are not dropping in price at all. They are increasing when it should be the opposite, but that time is over.
It's the same on the MS side, they released a new Series X at 650 / 700 euros~dollars while the base one is not selling.
Instead of lowering the price, they maintain the base one...
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Chalk me up as another "$700 and it doesn't even have a disc drive? GTFO." How would I play the 25-30 PS5 games I already own with paying an additional "fee?"
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I suppose the practice of selling hardware at a loss with the intention to recoup profits with software sales has retired. I suppose both games and hardware needed a sharp price increase.
Something else worth mentioning is Sony's decision (which was not publicly announced) to price DualSense controllers $5 more (https://www.ign.com/articles/sony-quietly-increases-the-price-of-the-playstation-5-dualsense-controller-worldwide). I'm sure the controller's notorious stick drift problems aren't an issue anymore.
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I was very excited for the potential of a PS5 Pro and 100% ready to preorder on day 1.. till I actually saw what Sony is delivering... at this point im just gonna save my money for the Switch 2.
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I have a bit of a theory about the PS5 Pro beyond Sony trying to milk more money out of their aging platform. Between the announcement of no disk drive, the high price point, and Gamestop recently announcing they are going to put an emphasis on selling retro games, I think this is a dry run for next generation, at least from Sony's point of view. I think they want to see how well received a digital only, super expensive console will go over with consumers as a way of judging whether or not to continue using discs or not.
I think this is exactly right. It took a few years before I even got a PS5, since they were so hard to find at launch. I can't imagine wanting to replace it already for a Pro version without a disc drive.
I still only have 3 games for it: Elden Ring, Demon's Souls, and RoboCop Rogue City. :)
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Supposedly PS5's with disc drives are sold out most places. I think this is a clear sign few people want a digital only platform. I know some people don't care and would rather not deal with the hastle of buying physical games from the store, but I believe these people are mostly in the minority, at least I hope so. Regardless this all seems promising in terms of Sony rethinking any idea of going digital only next gen.
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I waited over a year for the ps5 pro. With the 600 dollars I expected to spend in my account
At this point? I have a moral obligation not just to myself but to all of you and gaming as an industry to not buy this. I am deeply insulted.
And its not just the price. If it were 700 dollars but featured full backwards compatibility up to PS2 and PS1? Id pay 800. If it were 700 dollars and had 2 controllers and the stand bundled with a new game like assassins creed. Maybe. If it were 700 and had new user interface and 4tb storage with a 1 year subscription to ps plus premium bundled. ANYTHING to incentivize. But nope.
It's basically a slightly stronger PS5 with no disc drive for quite frankly double the price.
I cant tell any of you what to do. But the line has been drawn as far as im concerned. Im not bending over and letting Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo have their proverbial way with me because I have sworn servitude to them.
I am not paying them almost a used cars price for minimal effort and sloppy upgrades.
Sony has the lead.
In 2 years time we will be saying.
Sony HAD the lead.
Switch 2 is gonna drop in 2025. At a 300 to 400 price point. And absolutely stagger sony and xbox and they will scramble to make something ps6 by 2028. By then the world is gonna move on. Mark my words.
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Supposedly PS5's with disc drives are sold out most places. I think this is a clear sign few people want a digital only platform. I know some people don't care and would rather not deal with the hastle of buying physical games from the store, but I believe these people are mostly in the minority, at least I hope so. Regardless this all seems promising in terms of Sony rethinking any idea of going digital only next gen.
Sadly its also a clear sign thatp people are so brainwashed and enslaved by branding they are financially irresponsible enough to spend 825 dollars (the price of a car payment in the US) for slightly better tree fidelity on like 3 games. And not actually be sensible enough to prevent price gouging with their wallets.
It indeed shows we want physical. It also shows we are willing to be ripped off for it. Which is not ok. Sony knows it. Easy 80-150 dollars per customer just in disc drives. Time to stand ground already.
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Supposedly PS5's with disc drives are sold out most places. I think this is a clear sign few people want a digital only platform. I know some people don't care and would rather not deal with the hastle of buying physical games from the store, but I believe these people are mostly in the minority, at least I hope so. Regardless this all seems promising in terms of Sony rethinking any idea of going digital only next gen.
Sadly its also a clear sign thatp people are so brainwashed and enslaved by branding they are financially irresponsible enough to spend 825 dollars (the price of a car payment in the US) for slightly better tree fidelity on like 3 games. And not actually be sensible enough to prevent price gouging with their wallets.
It indeed shows we want physical. It also shows we are willing to be ripped off for it. Which is not ok. Sony knows it. Easy 80-150 dollars per customer just in disc drives. Time to stand ground already.
Honestly, I think it's the scalpers buying all the disc drives so they can charge $1500 for the PS5 Pro with a disc drive on eBay. I hope people have wised up and refuse to pay scalpers, leaving them holding 20+ systems and being thousands of dollars in debt, but I also know people are incredibly stupid.
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Supposedly PS5's with disc drives are sold out most places. I think this is a clear sign few people want a digital only platform. I know some people don't care and would rather not deal with the hastle of buying physical games from the store, but I believe these people are mostly in the minority, at least I hope so. Regardless this all seems promising in terms of Sony rethinking any idea of going digital only next gen.
Sadly its also a clear sign thatp people are so brainwashed and enslaved by branding they are financially irresponsible enough to spend 825 dollars (the price of a car payment in the US) for slightly better tree fidelity on like 3 games. And not actually be sensible enough to prevent price gouging with their wallets.
It indeed shows we want physical. It also shows we are willing to be ripped off for it. Which is not ok. Sony knows it. Easy 80-150 dollars per customer just in disc drives. Time to stand ground already.
Honestly, I think it's the scalpers buying all the disc drives so they can charge $1500 for the PS5 Pro with a disc drive on eBay. I hope people have wised up and refuse to pay scalpers, leaving them holding 20+ systems and being thousands of dollars in debt, but I also know people are incredibly stupid.
I didnt even think of that. I hope you're right. Funny enough a local guy bought out like 400 Playstation Portals when they dropped from every retailer and online and all. I guess he assumed they would be some hot commotity on the level of the ps4 or psp.
It bombed. The stock was massively bountiful. And you cant give the things away. I still see him trying to sell them for way over retail trying to get back some of his investment. He has a wall of them. Serves him right.
Anyone who pays a company 80-150 dollars for the privilege of using the physical media the console uses deserves what they get. Be like if the snes had a lock on the flap. And in order to insert a cartridge you had to buy a 100 dollar key. Otherwise you only had built in thoughts and prayers.
Off topic. And a big stretch. If Xbox releases a mid console gen release, for 600 dollars. With a disc drive. And market it as the pro killer. And bundle it with GTA 6. This console war could certainly turn around. PS1 did it to N64. Crazier things have happened.
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Supposedly PS5's with disc drives are sold out most places. I think this is a clear sign few people want a digital only platform. I know some people don't care and would rather not deal with the hastle of buying physical games from the store, but I believe these people are mostly in the minority, at least I hope so. Regardless this all seems promising in terms of Sony rethinking any idea of going digital only next gen.
Sadly its also a clear sign thatp people are so brainwashed and enslaved by branding they are financially irresponsible enough to spend 825 dollars (the price of a car payment in the US) for slightly better tree fidelity on like 3 games. And not actually be sensible enough to prevent price gouging with their wallets.
It indeed shows we want physical. It also shows we are willing to be ripped off for it. Which is not ok. Sony knows it. Easy 80-150 dollars per customer just in disc drives. Time to stand ground already.
Honestly, I think it's the scalpers buying all the disc drives so they can charge $1500 for the PS5 Pro with a disc drive on eBay. I hope people have wised up and refuse to pay scalpers, leaving them holding 20+ systems and being thousands of dollars in debt, but I also know people are incredibly stupid.
I hope that's not the case, but from experience I know you're at least partially right about that.
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We need to tell those selling digital-only consoles that this will not be tolerated. The last new console I'll ever buy is likely the Switch 2.
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Yeah. There's no way in hell I'm buying a PS5 Pro. Even here in the States (we're not united anymore so no point in putting that part in), it's $700 which is paltry in comparison to the $880 expected from those living in the EU.
1. No disc drive. (seperate cost of $80) 120 euro in europe which is another 133 dollar to givve an comparison
2. Devs can't even max out the PS5 as it is.
3. Little to no discernable difference in visuals.
4. Few games of interest for the entire generation.
5. No games in the pipe that are must haves.
No thanks Sony. Take the PS5 Pro and shove it up your greedy asses.
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We need to tell those selling digital-only consoles that this will not be tolerated. The last new console I'll ever buy is likely the Switch 2.
Same, assuming the rumors that it'll still use physical media are true.
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We need to tell those selling digital-only consoles that this will not be tolerated. The last new console I'll ever buy is likely the Switch 2.
Same, assuming the rumors that it'll still use physical media are true.
Backwards compatibility with Switch games will be a massive deciding factor for me buying the family a Switch 2 any time soon. In fact, if Twilight Princess isn't announced for Switch, I'm far more likely to just buy a Gamecube again instead.
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We need to tell those selling digital-only consoles that this will not be tolerated. The last new console I'll ever buy is likely the Switch 2.
Same, assuming the rumors that it'll still use physical media are true.
Backwards compatibility with Switch games will be a massive deciding factor for me buying the family a Switch 2 any time soon. In fact, if Twilight Princess isn't announced for Switch, I'm far more likely to just buy a Gamecube again instead.
Backwards compatibility is definitely a huge factor into me jumping in right away into the next Switch, it would be such a misstep to not have it, but I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to make a poor decision like that lol A good batch of launch games would entice me, but without a Zelda to go with, I'd need something like a Mario Odyssey 2 to be excited. Twilight Princess HD getting ported over would be nice though, been wanting to replay it.
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We need to tell those selling digital-only consoles that this will not be tolerated. The last new console I'll ever buy is likely the Switch 2.
Same, assuming the rumors that it'll still use physical media are true.
Backwards compatibility with Switch games will be a massive deciding factor for me buying the family a Switch 2 any time soon. In fact, if Twilight Princess isn't announced for Switch, I'm far more likely to just buy a Gamecube again instead.
Backwards compatibility is definitely a huge factor into me jumping in right away into the next Switch, it would be such a misstep to not have it, but I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to make a poor decision like that lol A good batch of launch games would entice me, but without a Zelda to go with, I'd need something like a Mario Odyssey 2 to be excited. Twilight Princess HD getting ported over would be nice though, been wanting to replay it.
Since were making grocery lists of features for big N Daddy to adorn us with lol. I will add the need for a trophy system. Difficult settings for their games. Two things Nintendo seems to be allergic to. But for the love of all things gaming. Its 2024. How on earth does Nintendo not have a trophy system? Just for enthusiasts of that alone. It literally gives every single game added replay value. Its fun. Its exciting. Borderline addicting. I feel its stubborn pride if they dont do it next console. Some things need to be copied. Its part of success.
And backwards compat. Xbox and Playstation have both managed it this gen. Nintendo has to if they want to maintain these sales. I even politely ponder the idea of a console that plays both cartridge and disc. And can do Wii U and Wii as well. But one can only dream.
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We need to tell those selling digital-only consoles that this will not be tolerated. The last new console I'll ever buy is likely the Switch 2.
Same, assuming the rumors that it'll still use physical media are true.
Backwards compatibility with Switch games will be a massive deciding factor for me buying the family a Switch 2 any time soon. In fact, if Twilight Princess isn't announced for Switch, I'm far more likely to just buy a Gamecube again instead.
Backwards compatibility is definitely a huge factor into me jumping in right away into the next Switch, it would be such a misstep to not have it, but I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to make a poor decision like that lol A good batch of launch games would entice me, but without a Zelda to go with, I'd need something like a Mario Odyssey 2 to be excited. Twilight Princess HD getting ported over would be nice though, been wanting to replay it.
If the Switch 2 embraces physical media in general, I will buy one. If backwards compatibility is included than it will make that purchase even easier for me. As for games, I believe any of the following games could be available at launch or released shortly after. Needless to say, if any of these are announced as launch titles, I'll be one of those crazy people picking mine up at midnight from Gamestop.
-New Mainline 3D Mario game (Odyssey 2 maybe?)
-Metroid Prime 4 (will probably be a multiplat with Switch)
-Splatoon 4
-HD port of Retro Zelda game (OoT or MM HD would be at the top of my list personally)
-New F-Zero game
-New Starfox game
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Welp did my part today. I had saved up for years and didnt own a ps5 for 4 years because the pro was always my bag. I always liked that if you buy the pro. You skip all the bugs, shortages, and price hikes and get the best version of the gen hardware. I even did that before pro like the ps one, ps3 super slim.
Well today I got 2 PS5 slim disc editions from a 3rd party source. One for me. One for my gf. Literally 2 consoles and a handful of games. Cheaper than the pro.
The only way to defeat it is with our wallets. Sony believes digital only wannabe PC rigs are the future of home consoles. They didnt ask. They told us what we wanted. Half lazyness. Half greed. Well they can eat it.
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Digital Foundry analysis of PS5 Pro upgrades makes it seem even worse than it already does: https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/1fhk4hd/rumor_alan_wake_2_runs_at_840p_60fps_on_the_ps5/
Notes from the Digital Foundry Direct Weekly #180 - PS5 Pro Breakdown:
The Last of Part 2 - 1440p internal resolution at 60fps in this PS5 Pro Mode (same as PS5 Performance Mode) with improved image quality due to PSSR
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart - Between 1440p and 1800p internal resolution (roughly the PS5 Quality Mode at 40fps) at 60fps in this PS5 Pro mode with the same settings as the PS5 Performance Mode and using PSSR to bring it up to 4K
Alan Wake 2 - Two modes shown (864p at 60fps & 1260p at 30fps) which is the same as the base PS5 modes and they presume it's using PSSR and not the FSR in base PS5. 60fps clip has SSR but the 30fps clip could have RT.
Horizon Forbidden West - resolution didn't look 4K. They presume it's not using PSSR but hard to tell. Thinking it is using 4K checkerboard but again hard to tell. PS5 vs PS5 Pro has the Pro with higher detail.
Hogwarts Legacy : RT reflections looks better on the PS5 Pro but has some visual noise in the background. RT shadows might be mixed with SSR but look to be an improvement over base PS5. 30 fps in the footage but the presume it'll have 60fps modes as the base PS5 has it.
Gran Turismo 7 - RT reflections in game appear to be quarter resolution (1080p). 8k mode. Lower resolution (1188p) in the PS5 Pro footage and probably using PSSR to bring it up to 4K where the base game without RT reflections is a Native 4K. RT looks better than Forza Motorsport.
Dragon's Dogma 2 / Assassins Creed Shadows - DG2 looks to be running at 60fps and might be using PSSR. ACS looks to be running at 864p at 60fps
These are the analysis on the footage that was shown and nothing else. DF expects some of these games to have multiple PS5 Pro modes but that remains to be seen.
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Basically what I thought. Most stuff will run at 60, but with slightly better picture quality, so barely an upgrade from what most people can do right now and all for an extra 300 bucks. Wild.
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I feel like we are on the brink of another video game crash. This can't be sustainable anymore. I have never in my life not cared about a console generation cycle. This has got to be the worst one so far. My wife and I each have a PS5 and we hardly touch it. I own less than a dozen games and most of them are now on PC. I usually only buy a game on PS5 now if I want that copy physically or has a special edition that I want that's not on PC or Switch. $900 for a PS5 Pro with a disc drive and stand is insane, but people are still going to buy it up. I hope it's a major loss for Sony. It kind of makes me scared for the Switch 2. I own almost 200 physical Switch games just for portability alone.
The Xbox Series X is the first Microsoft console I have passed on. It's just a mid-range PC. Every single game is now on PC so what's the point. It would sit collecting dust just like my Xbox One X has been. I only use it to play backwards compatible games that are in my backlog.
Video game companies are not giving people enough incentive to stay on consoles.
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I feel like we are on the brink of another video game crash. This can't be sustainable anymore. I have never in my life not cared about a console generation cycle. This has got to be the worst one so far. My wife and I each have a PS5 and we hardly touch it. I own less than a dozen games and most of them are now on PC. I usually only buy a game on PS5 now if I want that copy physically or has a special edition that I want that's not on PC or Switch. $900 for a PS5 Pro with a disc drive and stand is insane, but people are still going to buy it up. I hope it's a major loss for Sony. It kind of makes me scared for the Switch 2. I own almost 200 physical Switch games just for portability alone.
The Xbox Series X is the first Microsoft console I have passed on. It's just a mid-range PC. Every single game is now on PC so what's the point. It would sit collecting dust just like my Xbox One X has been. I only use it to play backwards compatible games that are in my backlog.
Video game companies are not giving people enough incentive to stay on consoles.
Agreed. Not to mention that half the PS5 games id want are on PS freaking 4 lol. What console gen deliberately advertises that decade old hardware can play their newest titles. And sometimes the PS4 pro keeps better frames than PS5 because devs know how to utlize games for it better.
Thats just sad that almost 5 years into a console generation we still have a gap small as centipede pubics between PS5 and its own grandmother the ps4.
I actually.seen a comment that put it best
Sony has become the apple of gaming.
Nintendo is the disney of gaming.
Apple removes features and releases the same design and charges you 1000 dollars for the privilege
Disney sells you nostalgia.wholesale.and relies.on millrnials.trapped in a cycle of attempting to relive the feelings of being a kid again. By pawning that nostalgia off on their kids so the cycle continues.
Sounds like Nintendo and Sony to me.
Xbox is..... well..... ummm.... microsoft lol. Their console is kinda on par for their brand. Specs, data and work. User interface. Stream services. Like comparing a guitar teacher to paul mcartney. You got the numbers. But wheres the soul?
My interpretation anyway.
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Personally I'd say Microsoft is more like Disney than Nintendo is... After all both are buying up properties and IPs then gutting them into an unrecognizable state.
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I own less than a dozen games and most of them are now on PC.
Out of the 16 PS5 games I've purchased, only 4 are PS5 generation exclusive and 1 is PS5 exclusive for now.
- A Plague Tale: Requiem - On PC and Xbox
- FF7 Rebirth
- Helldivers 2 - On PC
- Star Wars Jedi Survivor -- Coming to PS4 soon enough. On PC and Xbox
Most are ports from older generations like God of War R, Witcher 3 and MK11. Some go even older like Jurassic Park Collection and Sonic Origins Plus. Modern gaming is dying.
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Modern gaming is dying.
This is pretty far removed from the truth. I imagine that what you mean instead is AAA gaming is dying, which I suppose is a more accurate statement to make albeit still untrue. High-profile, cutting edge, first-party experiences are few and far between, but that's a result from an assortment of reasons coming from the top of the industry including bloated budgets, cautious decisions to favor the biggest profit, and marketing trends which don't favor the consumer, to name a few. But, despite these factors, the video gaming industry has never reached such heights before and continues to grow everyday across the spectrum, largely in part to indie and third-party development. There isn't a single week that passes without me being introduced to some new project being made or game having been released that catches my attention as something I'd want to play, and that's from only scanning my feed with posts by Nintendo and Sony. The market is boundless with all sorts of ideas being implemented—there doesn't need to be a PlayStation, Switch, or Xbox logo attached to it.
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Modern gaming is dying.
This is pretty far removed from the truth. I imagine that what you mean instead is AAA gaming is dying,
It's more than simply the industry not making games I enjoy anymore. It's that every week seems to be hundreds if not thousands of jobs lost. This week its hundreds fired from Microsoft studios. This year has been insane for those in the industry.
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Modern gaming is dying.
This is pretty far removed from the truth. I imagine that what you mean instead is AAA gaming is dying,
It's more than simply the industry not making games I enjoy anymore. It's that every week seems to be hundreds if not thousands of jobs lost. This week its hundreds fired from Microsoft studios. This year has been insane for those in the industry.
Jobs may be lost, but that doesn't mean they're gone forever or that the talent has vanished. While there will surely be some affected by the massive layoffs in the past year or so who will be unable to secure a new position within the industry, many will. Whether this means they're brought on to a different company, they decide to form their own team with others affected, or even go independent, a significant number of these individuals who were previously creating games directly (be it developer, animator, artist, writer, and so forth) will continue to work on games in some capacity, be it that they still want to. This idea goes back to my previous statement about how the video gaming industry's success relates to indie and third-party development.
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This idea goes back to my previous statement about how the video gaming industry's success relates to indie and third-party development.[/font]
I think the major difference between us Dhaabi is that I no longer have any optimism. None. It's gone on all levels. In all honesty, I expect to be killed by the end of next year in an attempt to protect my family. With that in mind, I try to have occasional fun with gaming, which used to be my favorite pasttime, but gaming is so far down the list on what's important, that any frustration that comes through in my posts is that what used to be my escape is now just the sprinkles of disappointment on top of the shit show that is modern reality.
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Hopefully this isn't setting a pricing precedent for PS6 and is really just emphasizing the Pro part with the pricing. It seems like even Apple is floundering with their higher ends iPhone models lately.
I think I can safely skip this gen with reports of PS6 being backwards compatible already. Sorry Astro Bot.
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just stick with a switch / switch 2 when it comes out and a pc
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I came here for the comments and conspiracies. They did not disappoint.
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To celebrate thirty years of PlayStation's brand and history, Sony has announced (https://blog.playstation.com/2024/09/19/celebrating-30-years-of-playstation-with-a-nostalgic-look/) not one but two different PlayStation 5 family consoles without disc drives in the style of the PlayStation. No PlayStation 5 console with the native ability to play discs was announced.
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Probably not going to buy a console anytime soon. I always wait a good few years before the big releases now-a-days (though might be tempted with the Switch 2). I just don't feel any incentive to buy the newer consoles when my older ones can run the same games perfectly fine. I might be tempted to buy a disc drive because I have to imagine that it'll be scalped to a great degree and I don't want to pay an astronomical sum of money when I do eventually decide to buy it.
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I've been eyeing up a PlayStation 5 for a few years now, though I imagine most of the games I will play on it will be PS4 titles. I've seen it as a nice upgrade while not taking up any additional physical space because it would just replace my PS4. The big games that I'd love to get on PS5 are the Silent Hill 2 remake and Baldur's Gate 3. I'd like to play FF16 and RE8 too. But I'm usually like 5 years behind the times with modern stuff that's coming out anyway haha. I'm certainly not getting a Pro model though. I'll just stick with a regular disc-based version.
I think for me I just never really stay lockstep with modern, brand-new releases so the changes in the industry don't really feel all that impactful to me right now. Yes, I spend less time playing games than I used to. Yes, from a modern triple A perspective there's a lot of problems with the industry and I agree with a lot of points made. But my PS4 and Switch libraries are the most extensive in my collection and I feel like they are both great systems to collect for right now. Between all the remakes and indie games alone, there's a rich wealth of experiences to discover or rediscover and I'm still finding new games that completely blow me away. Tunic is one example of a modern game that I thought was almost perfect.
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The big games that I'd love to get on PS5 are the Silent Hill 2 remake and Baldur's Gate 3. I'd like to play FF16 and RE8 too.
The option to play Resident Evil Village on PlayStation 4 (https://vgcollect.com/item/198849) is still always there, if you're ever in a hurry to play it.
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I feel like we are on the brink of another video game crash. This can't be sustainable anymore. I have never in my life not cared about a console generation cycle. This has got to be the worst one so far. My wife and I each have a PS5 and we hardly touch it. I own less than a dozen games and most of them are now on PC. I usually only buy a game on PS5 now if I want that copy physically or has a special edition that I want that's not on PC or Switch. $900 for a PS5 Pro with a disc drive and stand is insane, but people are still going to buy it up. I hope it's a major loss for Sony. It kind of makes me scared for the Switch 2. I own almost 200 physical Switch games just for portability alone.
The Xbox Series X is the first Microsoft console I have passed on. It's just a mid-range PC. Every single game is now on PC so what's the point. It would sit collecting dust just like my Xbox One X has been. I only use it to play backwards compatible games that are in my backlog.
Video game companies are not giving people enough incentive to stay on consoles.
While I don't think a crash is impossible, I do think it's unlikely. I think more realistically, there will be a massive pivot over the next decade or so in terms of the types of games released, what ends up getting hyped, and how people play their games in general.
For one, I can definitely say the AAA game model is completely unsustainable, as is the idea that every AAA game has to strive to be the next GTA5. Like many blockbuster Hollywood movies, the budgets involved in many AAA games are in the hundreds of millions , which doesn't even include marketing, maintenance, and other factors that fall outside that initial development budget. Essentially, many of these games have to gross over $500,000,000 to turn a profit, which is just impractical for most AAA games. Because of this, I can see a lot of publishers shift their money towards smaller projects made by smaller studios. I don't think AAA games are going to die off, but I can see fewer and fewer of them get released as time goes by. Some of the better games will likely have budgets between 2 or 3 million, and 20 million at the most. I think we will also see a lot of indie games blow up in popularity due to those games being way easier and cheaper to make, and many indie developers willing to take more creative risks than big, publicly traded companies like Sony or EA.
I also think consoles are becoming more and more irrelevant given how accessible and relatively affordable powerful PC hardware is. I think there will always be a market for consoles to some extent since many people don't like having to fiddle around with PCs to get a game working well, but I think this reservation will become less and less of an issue as weaker consoles become roughly the same price as a PC that's nearly twice as powerful for around the same money. You can add the shift away from physical games as being a factor in this too.
So in a way, gaming and game development will likely become a lot more decentralized over the coming decade. I can see some very big companies going under, or at least becoming way less influential than they once were. We're already seeing this to a degree with studios like Bethesda and Ubisoft. This all sounds good to me for the most part, however, the fact that physical video game media will likely be done for in the next 10 to 15 years and the days of getting hyped for big name releases and consoles is likely in its twilight years makes me also feel pretty depressed about the future of gaming. As I've said in multiple other threads, I'll still game, but I'll primarily be playing older games and on rare occasions buying newer games when they've gone on sale significantly since I refuse to pay over $10 for the vast majority of digital titles.
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I can definitely say the AAA game model is completely unsustainable, as is the idea that every AAA game has to strive to be the next GTA5. Like many blockbuster Hollywood movies, the budgets involved in many AAA games are in the hundreds of millions , which doesn't even include marketing, maintenance, and other factors that fall outside that initial development budget. Essentially, many of these games have to gross over $500,000,000 to turn a profit, which is just impractical for most AAA games.
It isn't any surprise to anyone who follows their development output, but this post from Washington Post's Gene Park (https://x.com/GenePark/status/1837246124458967048) highlighting Like a Dragon developers Ryu ga Gotoku presents, in my opinion, a much needed return for the AAA industry. As you've said, the current model is unsustainable, which ultimately leaves the consumer being short-handed.
(https://i.imgur.com/MjPy1rl.jpeg) (https://i.imgur.com/SmpIRjP.jpeg)
For the sake of this conversation, let us say the average development time for a typical modern AAA game is around four years. Subverting the current model with their own that invites reused animations, art, systems, and other miscellaneous assets, Ryu ga Gotoku have instead released five full games within that same window: Yakuza: Like a Dragon, Lost Judgment, Like a Dragon: Ishin!, Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name, and Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth. And with this preferred model, Ryu ga Gotoku games attract a commanding audience, sell exceptionally, and earn a considerable profit.
Unless I'm mistaken, this model is the same practice that was common up until the release of the seventh console generation with PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. As a result, numerous projects from a single developer could be created in a short amount of time and all within the same generation. Now, a sizable consumer crowd complains about this sort of approach, although it seems short-sighted. Going back to Ryu ga Gotoku, there is a natural evolution to their games that's largely attributed to their development model, as the model allows more freedom to expand upon and perfect existing systems with more refined complexity, such as with the combat system or physics mechanics. Without this freedom to explore, it seems inevitable for their games to be like ones from other developers in this age: releasing after years' of long way for a shallow and buggy experience.
Of course, I don't think this model is ideal for every type of game, but it does work for Like a Dragon and its spin-off games as they're narrative-driven titles. One example of a pair of games which adopts a similar model is The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild and its sequel The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom. Even though a considerable portion of the sequel is directly built upon the debut title, it still went through six years of development, although more complex systems are presented in the follow-up title which perhaps explains its lengthy development. Be that as it may, this example is not like Like a Dragon–for me, anyway. Since it's an open-world game where players are given free control to essentially do whatever they want and in whatever order they want, the gameplay loop for both titles is completely unchanged, as a majority of the sequel's noteworthy updates are optional. What makes it worse, however, is that, because of its open-world design, little narrative is experienced in these two Zelda titles. And, even then, their plot progression is identical. Conversely, what is being done for The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Time as a follow-up to The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening is more in the direction of Ryu ga Gotoku's design principles. If early impressions of Echoes of Time are anything to go off of, this is a much better scenario than with the other aforementioned pair of Zelda games.
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Skeletor reveals PS5 Pro! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh4vwBL_VWU&ab_channel=TomChristie)
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The price point seems quite memable, not even a disc drive and the upgrades are going to be miniscule for newer games since no devs gonna optimize stuff for the pro.
This idea goes back to my previous statement about how the video gaming industry's success relates to indie and third-party development.[/font]
I think the major difference between us Dhaabi is that I no longer have any optimism. None. It's gone on all levels. In all honesty, I expect to be killed by the end of next year in an attempt to protect my family. With that in mind, I try to have occasional fun with gaming, which used to be my favorite pasttime, but gaming is so far down the list on what's important, that any frustration that comes through in my posts is that what used to be my escape is now just the sprinkles of disappointment on top of the shit show that is modern reality.
I get the hype and wanting brand new stuff from the current age.
But you could always go back to past era's of gaming, doubt many have enough time to finish everything anyway. There already is enough content out there to last one a lifetime aside from the chosen few who are playing games as a full time gig.
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I get the hype and wanting brand new stuff from the current age.
But you could always go back to past era's of gaming, doubt many have enough time to finish everything anyway. There already is enough content out there to last one a lifetime aside from the chosen few who are playing games as a full time gig.
I'm actually planning on doing just that. The current PS/XB generation is... lacking. I decided to hold off until Nintendo announces the Switch successor and see if Zelda Twilight Princess and Wind Waker are announced for Switch or their new system. If not, I'll rebuy a Gamecube.
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State of Play tomorrow. I have to imagine that Sony is going to be trying to pull out all the stops to try and turn the negativity around after the recent disasters lol
https://www.gematsu.com/2024/09/state-of-play-set-for-september-24-featuring-updates-on-more-than-20-games
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Anybody want to bet on a price drop of the Pro?
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Early leak... TMNT Shredder's Revenge DLC -- Radical Reptiles, includes Mondo Gecko and Mona Lisa with a retooled soundtrack. Should release tomorrow.
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Aside from that, I would advise everyone to temper any enthusiasm for what Sony will show. Expect more of the same this generation has had to offer... mediocrity.
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Anybody want to bet on a price drop of the Pro?
There's no way they do that. Usually what happens is they stick to their guns, put out the thing, it doesn't sell well, and then they price drop it not long after. They are most likely banking on sales by the most hardcore types and scalpers at first, but once that dries up, then the price drop happens, probably within 6 months, if not faster, depending on the sales.
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UPDATE ON MY PS5 - Loving my PS5 slim. I know im late to that party. I was always under the impression that the graphic upgrade was small over the PS4 pro. And while it is smaller than PS2 over PS1 of course. It is still very much so noticable. And massive even.
Its the little things you dont notice until you play one. Sometimes its not even the fidelity. Its the draw distance. Omg I love this draw distance. I dont miss seeing items render mid race on need for speed or the pixels in the distance. PS5 can render a palm tree in good detail from 3 miles away. Simply glorious.
Frames are much better.
Load times are a NYC "forgettaboutit" GTA 5 used to take me like 7 business days to load on PS4. A clean 30 seconds tops for menu to franklins room on PS5
And the ray racing is simply noticeable. And thats all I can ask for when graphics get this good.
Im loving it. The PS4 is probably my favorite console of all time. It saved my life twice. Its been with me through every trial. Though deaths and financial woes. It was my coping mechanism. And I love it with all my heart. Truly more than a console.
The PS5 is simply a big white PS4 with better load times. Cant go wrong.
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Anybody want to bet on a price drop of the Pro?
There's no way they do that. Usually what happens is they stick to their guns, put out the thing, it doesn't sell well, and then they price drop it not long after. They are most likely banking on sales by the most hardcore types and scalpers at first, but once that dries up, then the price drop happens, probably within 6 months, if not faster, depending on the sales.
More likely than not, Sony will double down on their pricing and remain out of touch with the average consumer. After all, they know scalpers are prevalent, which is just another source of sales to them. Being a mid-gen console release, I don't foresee the PlayStation 5 Pro's price point being dropped for a considerable amount of time, even with the backlash at hand. But, I'd gladly welcome to be proven wrong. I suppose it's possible for the standard PlayStation 5 to receive a reduced price, but that doesn't seem certain or even seem necessary from Sony's position, as sales remain steady. I guess we'll know in the next two hours.
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As always with a State of Play, I'll want to see Bloodborne, but now my wild theory is that they need a big win to run cover for things, and so along with maybe something new and exciting like a Wolverine teaser maybe, they'll hit the "Smash Glass In Case of Emergency" and reveal whatever is planned for Bloodborne lol It's unlikely, but they have to acknowledge the game someday beyond a brief appearance in Astro Bot lol
Hell is Us looks pretty sick, modern setting, but also fantasy possible souls-like.
A new Metro game is cool, too bad it's PSVR2, meaning no one is gonna play it unless a PC version will be coming.
I was only going to post about new stuff, but man, I'm so damn hyped for Monster Hunter Wilds, it looks amazing. This has the potential to be just the best game.
Ghost of Yotei is neat, I like the first game enough so I'll check this out. I think what I mostly wanted to see if it got a sequel was for them to expand on the Open World aspect itself, it was fine, but kinda bland in its execution, but was otherwise a solid game.
That State of Play is definitely not doing anything to change the conversation though lol
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October's PS Plus Essential lineup is pretty good with the Dead Space remake and WWE 2K24.
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Ghost of Yotei... finally... something from a Sony first party to look forward too. Hopefully it continues to be on track to release next year and doesn't get pushed.
Everything is revealed was kind of "meh" for me, but after 4 years, they finally showed something I can anticipate.
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In short, The Midnight Walk looks fantastic with its unique presentation and horror atmosphere. While other games have been known to utilize clay as a visual medium, it's exceptionally executed here. That there's added PS VR2 support is an added bonus. I'm looking forward to this game the most, and I hope it's not limited to a digital release.
Being shown off directly after the aforementioned title, Hell Is Us is another horror title, albeit one with a focus on action. It seems promising, and my curiosity has been piqued with its modern, war-torn setting.
From a first glance, ArcheAge Chronicles looks like a mix of gameplay between God of War and The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. After looking for more details, it seems to be a MMO. It seems great for those wanting to invest that sort of time commitment, but that kind of game is not for me. That's a shame.
It's difficult to assess Fantasian Neo Dimension from the trailer, as it's worth being skeptical as this is a port from a mobile game. From what I've read, there seems to have been given appropriate quality of life updates and features, so hopefully those are enough to remove it from its origins. I've only played one game from developer Mistwalker (The Last Story), and it didn't leave any significant impression on me, so hopefully there's more to offer with this game. After watching a different trailer, I can't say that this sort of turn-based RPG system looks novel despite how it's advertised. It doesn't look different from most other games in the genre. However, one part of the trailer mentions that over 150 dioramas were handcrafted as the game's explorable environments, which is the kind of effort I am impressed by.
I'd rather see time and resources being spent toward a new project, but I suppose Remedy Entertainment is going to keep adding onto Alan Wake 2, evident by its second DLC Lake House.
From what I remember, the difference in mood and atmosphere between the the two trailers for Dragon Age: The Veilguard is stark. It's not quite the game for me as far as gameplay, but this new trailer makes it look promising.
It was inevitable for Ghost of Youtei to be announced. It has opportunity, much like the first game had. For it to be successful, this second entry in what's now a franchise needs to severely improve its open-world aspects, though, as this element was underwhelming and, to be straightforward, rather dull.
Aside from only a few poor announcements like the heavily rumored remastered release of Horizon Zero Dawn, this State of Play was generally good, and I'd say it does well to gain attention from consumers with some of the most popular genres and themes of this time: action, RPG, and horror.
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I'm more happy for Metro Awakening VR now as it's been confirmed to be on PC also, not a PSVR2 only thing. I'm hoping someday that the games trapped on PSVR show up on PC so I could have a chance to play the Resident Evil games in VR.
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Loving my ps5. Selling a portal if anyone wants one. I posted a big rant here but decided id rather sell it. Peace blessing for all you.