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General and Gaming => General => Topic started by: gf78 on November 13, 2015, 02:49:42 pm
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I just wanted to share my thoughts on a topic that comes up (inevitably) on nearly every other posting site besides our little community. And I will say up front, I have nothing against PC gaming and in fact - own PC games myself. Setting all other considerations aside such as preference between couch or desk gaming and controller preferences, these are the facts as I see it.
A PC can absolutely be the most powerful gaming rig on the planet. PC elitists are keen to point out how their keyboard/mouse combo is so much more precise and how they can run games in 4K resolution at a bajillion frames per second and that you can download and/or create your own mods for games, extending their lives beyond the scope the developers originally envisioned. And all of that is true, if you are willing to pay the price. That price ranges from (and correct me if I am wrong) $600 for a mid-range system you build yourself to over $2000 for a custom built PC. And sure, you can do a lot of other things with your PC besides just gaming.
On the flip-side, I can buy a PS4, Xbox One and Wii U for under $1000, complete with three games (one bundled with each minimum these days) and the controllers. PC Gamers are keen to show you where they get the best deals at, and if you wait until Black Friday sales begin, you can snag all three of these consoles for around $800. Sure, these systems don't run at 4K resolution. They don't let you do your word processing, though popular uses such as web browsing, Facebook, YouTube and others are readily available to you. They don't allow you to mod your games, though this feature is being implemented in Fallout 4, existed on the PS3 with Unreal Tournament III and more games are sure to follow.
So why do I think that console gaming is fantastic and the best way to go? Because of the games. PC gamers claim that "all the best games come to PC." This is completely false. Taste aside, where are the critically-acclaimed, award-winning games like Mario or Zelda on the PC? Last time I checked, Nintendo doesn't make PC games. So you have an entire consoles worth (not literally, but close to it looking at the Wii U's library) of fantastic exclusives that PC-exclusive gamers will never get to play. What about all the great Sony-exclusive games? Last of Us, LittleBigPlanet, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, etc.? They have never and will never make the jump to PC. Microsoft who also makes PC games, has a slew of titles that aren't available on the PC. PC-exclusive gamers will never get to play many of these games.
And setting a few cross-platform greats like Fallout 4 aside, I just don't see how being a PC-exclusive elitist snob even works since the bulk of their library is made up of games that are on the consoles or just aren't that great to begin with. Most PC games don't even see a physical release any longer which means you cannot even trade or sell your games. Not to mention the need to upgrade components every couple of years in your PC whereas consoles never need to be upgraded.
For me, playing the best games is a far more important factor than having the absolutely best cutting-edge hardware. I may not be able to play my games at 1000000fps @ 4K resolution with to-the-pixel laser accuracy with a mouse, but PC-exclusive gamers will never know the joy of Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros., Uncharted, Destiny, Gran Turismo, Mario Kart and literally thousands of other console-exclusive titles.
I'll take that trade-off any day. Thoughts?
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It's just what I know and what I'm used to. I grew up on console gaming, and I continue to game on consoles because it's what I'm comfortable and familiar with. I don't think I'm any better than PC gamers for it, though.
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Thoughts?
What an obnoxious thread title.
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Thoughts?
What an obnoxious thread title.
It is obnoxious, but I only used it because that is the type of elitist attitude that I run into daily online and the very titles that are applied. I see that your games collection are from Europe and Japan so I assume you live in one of those areas. Forgive me if I am incorrect. But "PC Master Race" and "Console Peasant" are terms often used in the US to show the (supposed) superiority of PC gamers and gaming.
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It's just what I know and what I'm used to. I grew up on console gaming, and I continue to game on consoles because it's what I'm comfortable and familiar with. I don't think I'm any better than PC gamers for it, though.
I don't think I am any better than a PC-exclusive gamer either, nor do I think because my primary gaming is on the PS4 that I am somehow better than you for primarily gaming on an Xbox One. That's just preference.
I just find it strange how the PC guys claim to be superior and ignore the sheer amount of console-exclusive titles that they will never have access to.
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What an obnoxious thread title.
You must not be familiar with the playful memes used on the internet to describe the faction of PC gamers.
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How dare you defy the glory and majesty of the PC Master Race, Peasant!
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But nah, I console game and PC game. I've heavily switched more to PC in recent years because I do think it tends to be the better experience usually, outside of some exceptions from bad PC ports (Looking at you Batman), but I also enjoy the ease of convenience with console game as I own a PS3, 360, and Wii U right now. Primarily I play shooters on PC, cause keyboard/mouse is way better once you get to use to it, I play it for mods which have added countless hours of enjoyment across a number of games (STALKER, Fallout, Skyrim). It does miss out on some of the console exclusives, but much of the console exclusives aren't a super huge miss, especially with a PC. Killer Instinct is coming to PC, Halo 5 has been loosely talked about maybe coming to PC, and a lot of games are just multi-system nowadays. Dragon Quest Heroes is coming to PC for instance. For me, I think the best mix is a PC with a Nintendo system right now since Nintendo has a lot more exclusive titles that'll never show up on PC.
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I don't really like PC gaming. One of my good friends is a die hard PC gamer now, after having grown up on consoles. He loves to show off what Batman or Far Cry looks like with the highest settings turned on, but to me it's not mind blowingly better than anything you'd get on PS4 or XB1. The lengths he'll go to fumble around and get a GameCube emulator working is just unbelievable. Though I suppose I can't throw too many stones, since I also go to crazy lengths to get consoles looking great with a Framemeister. ;D
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Does it really matter? PC Master Race doesn't need to be uttered on this site. It's the general attitude here that you play what you like. If you like PC games, good for you. If you're a console guy, do your thing.
That stuff is on the internet. Let's be better than that.
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That stuff is on the internet. Let's be better than that.
Oh, so you're a VGCollect elitist now? ;)
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That stuff is on the internet. Let's be better than that.
Oh, so you're a VGCollect elitist now? ;)
Yeah... Aren't you?
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Does it really matter? PC Master Race doesn't need to be uttered on this site. It's the general attitude here that you play what you like. If you like PC games, good for you. If you're a console guy, do your thing.
That stuff is on the internet. Let's be better than that.
yeah me personally I believe this conversation material is almost the same as talking religion or politics. It will only lead to arguments. This site to me is about the games not the platforms used to play them (unless conversing on such maters of the RROD, YB, ect.). So I ask; please do not let this conversation get out of hand.
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Does it really matter? PC Master Race doesn't need to be uttered on this site. It's the general attitude here that you play what you like. If you like PC games, good for you. If you're a console guy, do your thing.
That stuff is on the internet. Let's be better than that.
I was starting a conversation turf. It's the general gaming discussion thread so I didn't see any harm in it.
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yeah me personally I believe this conversation material is almost the same as talking religion or politics. It will only lead to arguments. This site to me is about the games not the platforms used to play them (unless conversing on such maters of the RROD, YB, ect.). So I ask; please do not let this conversation get out of hand.
That wasn't my intention at all to start a war or argument. Just bringing up and discussing a topic that gets thrown around constantly online. I don't partake in those "flame wars" and this is the only site I post at. I was just curious what others thought. If anyone finds this thread offensive, please delete it.
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No harm done, nobody has done any name calling, so I'm good. Just keep it civil folks.
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I was a big pc gamer in the 90's, perhaps early 2000's. The reason I moved from consoles to PC wasn't power or frame rate, it was the kind, or genre, of games that appealed to me were more common on PC's. Things like space sims, strategy games, and graphical adventure games were more abundant and deeper games than a standard console super mario style platform game, which was the most popular genre at the time and a type of game I abhorred (still do) or a Zelda style RPG. Tie Fighter, Ancient Art of War, and Full Throttle were a lot more fun for me than anything that was coming out on consoles in the 90's.
Don't get me wrong, I love my SNES, Genesis, and TG-16 but a huge part of my gaming heritage was in the form of a nondescript beige tower full of fantastic 90's pc titles - something that is a current collection focus for me right now as well. Sure it's fun to pop in a cart and play right away but there's something nostalgic about fiddling with autoexec.bat files :)
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PC is a piece of shit you go through so many loops to play a game and get it running, that comes outdated in a few years or breaks.
The atari 7800 controller is more reliable than PC gaming. Only reason anyone should care today is the indie scene and the reliability of publishing.
Master race? The platform is dying. It's only big in 3rd world countries with this DOTA crap. Steam the last big frontier and it seems its trying to separate itself with the steam box and Micros windows anti gamer platform becoming more aggressive every year. Hell collecting for PC became worthless a decade and a half ago. Only people still supporting it are just these trendy trendies mostly who love themselves so much that they gotta scream in front of a camera doing lame lets plays and recording over reactions for money and little kiddies. No thanks.
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I'm hoping this topic didnt start because I said Fallout 4 looks pretty good on my PC on the other thread.
All hail Steam Sales
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I'm against digital games but... man sometimes gabe gets to me.
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Did someone say flame warz?!
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I only recently got into PC gaming, I actually just threw a 970 ftw, i7 4790 and a new power supply in my syber steam machine. PC gaming is really nice but I usually tend to lean more towards consoles. I couldn't afford to throw down 600 to 1000 dollars on a pc, in the past and in certain cases it is a better experience. I actually just got a steam controller and really like it too, but I'm more comfortable with a controller in hand than a mouse and keyboard anyway. Consoles, however, get some fantastic exclusives, like you mentioned, uncharted, Metroid, halo stuff like that. Honestly, I don't really understand the big time arguments between both of them, it's just gaming, any argument over video games is pretty petty. I'm lucky enough to afford all of them, but as a child I was perfectly happy with a snes up to about 99, 2000 when I pretty much had to make the switch to ps1. Gaming is fun no matter what it is on
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I always thought this whole argument was silly. There are pros and cons of each platform, and people should be able to choose whatever they're most comfortable with. Choose one, choose neither, choose both. It cracks me up that a one-off joke by Yahtzee is being used unironically years after he made it. Gamers are a very strange people.
Tiger Handhelds are clearly the superior platform.
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Yeah I'm sick of elitist assholes. But this pic is what it should be...
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I think it's pointless to compare, because it all come downs to what kind of games you like to play, as clearly shown by your
not-at-all-biased post.
"PC gamers claim that "all the best games come to PC." This is completely false. Taste aside, where are the critically-acclaimed, award-winning games like Mario or Zelda on the PC?"
Last I heard, Starcraft 2, World of Warcraft, Dota 2, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, Unreal Tournament, XCOM and Might and Magic Heroes, are exactly those things.
They are two different entities, ffs.
PC is a piece of shit you go through so many loops to play a game and get it running, that comes outdated in a few years or breaks.
Master race? The platform is dying. It's only big in 3rd world countries with this DOTA crap.
My PC is from 2012, and can still play Battlefront at maxed-out settings. I don't have to go through any loops to play a game, I just download it and play. If you're on Linux or OS X, that's definitely true though.
And the personal computer is hardly dying. Sure, the casual market has moved more towards mobile devices, but really, in that regard, consoles are more dying than PC. People are even unsure if there'll be next generation consoles from Microsoft and Sony. You really just pulled that claim straight out of your behind, sir.
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I think it's pointless to compare, because it all come downs to what kind of games you like to play, as clearly shown by your not-at-all-biased post.
"PC gamers claim that "all the best games come to PC." This is completely false. Taste aside, where are the critically-acclaimed, award-winning games like Mario or Zelda on the PC?"
Last I heard, Starcraft 2, World of Warcraft, Dota 2, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, Unreal Tournament, XCOM and Might and Magic Heroes, are exactly those things.
They are two different entities, ffs.
PC is a piece of shit you go through so many loops to play a game and get it running, that comes outdated in a few years or breaks.
Master race? The platform is dying. It's only big in 3rd world countries with this DOTA crap.
My PC is from 2012, and can still play Battlefront at maxed-out settings. I don't have to go through any loops to play a game, I just download it and play. If you're on Linux or OS X, that's definitely true though.
And the personal computer is hardly dying. Sure, the casual market has moved more towards mobile devices, but really, in that regard, consoles are more dying than PC. People are even unsure if there'll be next generation consoles from Microsoft and Sony. You really just pulled that claim straight out of your behind, sir.
Not really. Only noobs who don't know the industry think we will have no playstation 5 or xbox 4. That joke got old long ago. You've had your pc for 3 years? , enjoy it well it lasts. It'll crap out in a few years with blue screen, and error messages that might as well be written in chinese. Check it's life span it's not suppose to last long, I'm presuming your not tech savvy either. So as I said enjoy it while it lasts.
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I've primarily been a console gamer most of my life, mostly for one reason; being a PC gamer is a lot more expensive. I didn't own my first PC until 1998 and even back then for a very middle of the road PC in terms of performance it was over $1000. If I had wanted something that could run Half Life or Everquest effortlessly I would have had to drop at least another grand. While computers have dropped significantly in price over the years they still are vastly more expensive than consoles when you are comparing performance.
With all that said, I love PC gaming, but in the same way why I like Nintendo for different reason than I do Sony or Sega. The platform has a charm to it and offers different experiences than what I can find on consoles. Sure there are multiplats, but in some cases I prefer to get them on PC over console. This is especially true of simulator, RTS, WRPG, and some FPS games; would take any of these genres on the PC any day of the week.
In terms of graphics, PC because of it's capability of having literally tens of thousands of dollars in upgrade thrown into it will always have the edge over console. However, I am a firm believer that graphics are not everything and that between consoles and the PC, the difference in graphics on most multiplats are marginal across platforms. My current rig can easy do 60+ fps in 1080, but honestly it makes very little difference to me if I am playing it on a PS4 at 720p with a slightly decreased frame rate.
So yeah, that's just me, but in conclusion I think people who discredit all other platforms while claiming their preferred platform is vastly superior (fanboyism) are complete immature dickwads. Not only are you an idiot if you do this, but you are really depriving yourself of some genuinely good experiences by convincing yourself that no other platforms have anything good to offer. This includes the self professed Master Race, Nintendbots, or those douchbags who make a huge deal about the PS4 having slightly better graphics than the XBOX 1 for an upcoming game. Just enjoy gaming no matter what platform it is on.
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Like others, I stick with what I know. Grew up with game consoles primarily, so that's what I like. However, I did play simulation type games on PC so not surprisingly, I think those are best on PC. Again, maybe I'm wrong but first impressions stick. I have an Android and I don't ever want to switch to iPhone, because Android is the platform that I've learned to embrace.
I occasionally get into these conversations with PC fanatics. So they have the latest technical specs, that's fine. I don't really notice. People look at Fallout 4 and say "oh my god, that graphics engine is so dated". I'm like, really? I haven't noticed much of a difference in photo realism over past the 10 years anyway. It all looks the same to me. Then again, I'm not a big fan of photo-realism as a graphical style. If they see a modern shooter running at 30fps they're always complaining it doesn't run well. Really? You need 60fps to enjoy the game? Why?
I'm simply not as awe-struck by gaming or video tech as some others are. I've owned an HDTV for years and I still watch standard def. I'm not going to notice if the hair on someone's face is not well defined. This is one reason why Nintendo consoles are just fine by me, they're inexpensive and not cutting edge. The other reason is the games, more specifically, the style of games they produce are more to my liking. I've become increasingly disinterested in the landscape of modern franchises and games that focus on epicness, be it graphics, story, soundtrack. That's me. I don't want to play an interactive movie, it's just not what I enjoy so much. I enjoy games that rely on the good old fashioned principles of gameplay, primarily. I might consider it a bonus if the game is colorful and pleasant to look at.
For my money, Nintendo still delivers with consistency what is essentially the same things that I grew up on. So I'm just fine with my Wii U, and 3DS. Whatever day indie devs decide to wake up and put their products on a physical shelf, I'll be on board with that too. But the latest gaming tech in all it's glory, just isn't even on my radar at this point.
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You've had your pc for 3 years? , enjoy it well it lasts. It'll crap out in a few years with blue screen, and error messages that might as well be written in chinese. Check it's life span it's not suppose to last long, I'm presuming your not tech savvy either. So as I said enjoy it while it lasts.
You could change "PC" to "XBox One" or "PS4" and it would also be true.
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I appreciate that *almost* everyone is being really friendly and civil in this topic that can often devolve into namecalling and baseless logic.
I just wanted to say that I'm happy to hear about anyone enjoying video games, whether it's on mobile, handheld, console, or PC. And let's not forget pinball and other arcade machines <3
Not everyone can afford what other people may be "best" and it really comes down to the person's individual preferences. I'm not big on games for the XBox One, but I'm not going to call Xbox One owners "noobs" or other names just because they like the system and the library it has. I'm glad they're getting backwards compatibility and look forward to what is in store for them.
I game on both PC and console and love both. They both have their pros and cons, and I take that into consideration when deciding which platform to pick for a multi-platform title.
Anyway, just wanted to say thanks to those who are discussing this peacefully. And I should mention that I am one of those people who streams and records lets plays and am surprised to be called "trendy" or whatever. I stream for the same reason that I come here - to meet and chat with other fellow game lovers. I'm sorry if you think it's stupid or whatever, but considering what else is happening in the world, I don't think it's all that awful.
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You've had your pc for 3 years? , enjoy it well it lasts. It'll crap out in a few years with blue screen, and error messages that might as well be written in chinese. Check it's life span it's not suppose to last long, I'm presuming your not tech savvy either. So as I said enjoy it while it lasts.
You could change "PC" to "XBox One" or "PS4" and it would also be true.
You own an atari don't you? Still working isn't it?
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You've had your pc for 3 years? , enjoy it well it lasts. It'll crap out in a few years with blue screen, and error messages that might as well be written in chinese. Check it's life span it's not suppose to last long, I'm presuming your not tech savvy either. So as I said enjoy it while it lasts.
You could change "PC" to "XBox One" or "PS4" and it would also be true.
You own an atari don't you? Still working isn't it? My ps2 still working. Since the late 90s I must of went through at least 5 computers.
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I appreciate that *almost* everyone is being really friendly and civil in this topic that can often devolve into namecalling and baseless logic.
I just wanted to say that I'm happy to hear about anyone enjoying video games, whether it's on mobile, handheld, console, or PC. And let's not forget pinball and other arcade machines <3
Not everyone can afford what other people may be "best" and it really comes down to the person's individual preferences. I'm not big on games for the XBox One, but I'm not going to call Xbox One owners "noobs" or other names just because they like the system and the library it has. I'm glad they're getting backwards compatibility and look forward to what is in store for them.
I game on both PC and console and love both. They both have their pros and cons, and I take that into consideration when deciding which platform to pick for a multi-platform title.
Anyway, just wanted to say thanks to those who are discussing this peacefully. And I should mention that I am one of those people who streams and records lets plays and am surprised to be called "trendy" or whatever. I stream for the same reason that I come here - to meet and chat with other fellow game lovers. I'm sorry if you think it's stupid or whatever, but considering what else is happening in the world, I don't think it's all that awful.
Oh.. you didn't read my response it seems but you want generalize it, and take it personal? Well that's fine just don't attach me to it indirectly please. I don't like the micro aggression you're showing towards me, I don't appreciate that. If you disagree that's fine, but at least have the courtesy to elaborate on your point. I don't mind what anyone games on i'm using a computer right now.(shocking)
No where has anyone wrote everyone who steams is trendy attention seeker, or whatever. Read it again, and please think about if any of that that I wrote applies to you. I'm guessing you're not a Swedish streamer with a bro army?? If you are i'm sorry to hear that..
Why's there such nihilist cult around discussing this? That its strangely taboo? Can't we point out flaws, and positives in our beloved platforms in respectful way with that much maturity without "actual fanboyism" as in regards to the topic of the original poster, and have a discussion going instead of this mind numbing monologue? Or do we have to be surrounded by teddy bears in a sponge room because someone needs a hugging pillow when dealing with something on the contrary. Sigh.. I don't get it.
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I have to point out that from what I'm seeing, I fell like desocietas is pretty much echoing the same ideas you are, man :-\
"I appreciate that *almost* everyone is being really friendly and civil in this topic that can often devolve into namecalling and baseless logic."
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"I game on both PC and console and love both. They both have their pros and cons, and I take that into consideration when deciding which platform to pick for a multi-platform title."
"Can't we point out flaws, and positives in our beloved platforms in respectful way with that much maturity without "actual fanboyism" as in regards to the topic of the original poster?"
I don't mind what anyone games on i'm using a computer right now
^^ I agree with you both; it's fine to like whatever gaming platform you want! And thoughtful discussion really is important. But I think really aggressive, unwarranted and disrespectful communication doesn't help illustrate one's point, and I wouldn't personally be upset if someone called me out for doing that, just saying... :-\
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Nihilist cult. Oh dear.
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Dreama1, you seem like a very reasonable person. /s
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I have to point out that from what I'm seeing, I fell like desocietas is pretty much echoing the same ideas you are, man :-\
"I appreciate that *almost* everyone is being really friendly and civil in this topic that can often devolve into namecalling and baseless logic."
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"I game on both PC and console and love both. They both have their pros and cons, and I take that into consideration when deciding which platform to pick for a multi-platform title."
"Can't we point out flaws, and positives in our beloved platforms in respectful way with that much maturity without "actual fanboyism" as in regards to the topic of the original poster?"
I don't mind what anyone games on i'm using a computer right now
^^ I agree with you both; it's fine to like whatever gaming platform you want! And thoughtful discussion really is important. But I think really aggressive, unwarranted and disrespectful communication doesn't help illustrate one's point, and I wouldn't personally be upset if someone called me out for doing that, just saying... :-\
Hmm.. Well it wasn't aimed at anyone. I think we should all be allowed to express if we have dissatisfaction be it negative or positive on a subject instead of sugar coating everything because of the sensibilities "actual fanboys" not fantasy ones. Because what I said was totally taken out of context in hostile way directed toward me. I addressed the idiotic rumour that was spread from unknown sources with zero evidence or reliable sources that said we wont have a totally digital ps5 or xbox 4. Kind of heard it to many times it's tiring to here at this point.
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Can't we point out flaws, and positives in our beloved platforms in respectful way with that much maturity without "actual fanboyism" as in regards to the topic of the original poster, and have a discussion going instead of this mind numbing monologue?
You might want to take your own advice after what you originally wrote.
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Can't we point out flaws, and positives in our beloved platforms in respectful way with that much maturity without "actual fanboyism" as in regards to the topic of the original poster, and have a discussion going instead of this mind numbing monologue?
You might want to take your own advice after what you originally wrote.
Mob rule then is it lol? A forgot a platform isn't just a platform for some people, it's existence therefore I can't say a bad word against a computer? If i'm the bad guy here,. all right then that's fine haha. But you might want to re-read what I wrote I never mentioned anyone. But it's fine i'll play the bad guy so all continue please.
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Can't we point out flaws, and positives in our beloved platforms in respectful way with that much maturity without "actual fanboyism" as in regards to the topic of the original poster, and have a discussion going instead of this mind numbing monologue?
You might want to take your own advice after what you originally wrote.
Mob rule then is it lol? A forgot a platform isn't just a platform for some people, it's existence therefore I can't say a bad word against a computer? If i'm the bad guy here,. all right then that's fine haha. But you might want to re-read what I wrote I never mentioned anyone. But it's fine i'll play the bad guy so all continue please.
Dude, you literally came out said the PC is shit, then went on to say all reasons why and wasn't nice about it at all. Totally confrontational. Not everyone picking on you.
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Can't we point out flaws, and positives in our beloved platforms in respectful way with that much maturity without "actual fanboyism" as in regards to the topic of the original poster, and have a discussion going instead of this mind numbing monologue?
You might want to take your own advice after what you originally wrote.
Mob rule then is it lol? A forgot a platform isn't just a platform for some people, it's existence therefore I can't say a bad word against a computer? If i'm the bad guy here,. all right then that's fine haha. But you might want to re-read what I wrote I never mentioned anyone. But it's fine i'll play the bad guy so all continue please.
Dude, you literally came out said the PC is shit, then went on to say all reasons why and wasn't nice about it at all. Totally confrontational. Not everyone picking on you.
Yeah I said it was shit, and I gave reasons why I felt that. Didn't get any rebuttals through. I do gaming on PC as well. Does it matter if I don't like the platform that much? I don't see what crime i've committed? You know the damn the thread is called console peasants? I'm just leveling the playing field.
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Don't feed the trolls.
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Inb4 thread lock?
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Everyone take a deep breath and chill. Getting a little heated for no apparent reason.
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You've had your pc for 3 years? , enjoy it well it lasts. It'll crap out in a few years with blue screen, and error messages that might as well be written in chinese. Check it's life span it's not suppose to last long, I'm presuming your not tech savvy either. So as I said enjoy it while it lasts.
You could change "PC" to "XBox One" or "PS4" and it would also be true.
You own an atari don't you? Still working isn't it?
As are my Commodore 64's, my Tandy Color Computers, and Atari 800XL's. Also my 20 year old PC's function fine. Also if the life span is determined not only by physical life span but the ability it play the newest media and games, then each new console generation becomes obsolete, even if it carries one generation of backward compatibility.
PC gamer or console gamer - we must all upgrade in one sense or the other. I'm not playing Fallout 4 on my Atari 2600 any more than I am on my 1994 486DX2 66Mhz. Upgrading and/or buying new equipment is part of the game no matter which platform you choose. Is one more expensive than the other? Sure but if one has the money to spend on an expensive gaming pc it shouldn't matter to the gamer who chooses to purchase a relatively inexpensive console if that's all he can afford.
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You've had your pc for 3 years? , enjoy it well it lasts. It'll crap out in a few years with blue screen, and error messages that might as well be written in chinese. Check it's life span it's not suppose to last long, I'm presuming your not tech savvy either. So as I said enjoy it while it lasts.
You could change "PC" to "XBox One" or "PS4" and it would also be true.
You own an atari don't you? Still working isn't it?
As are my Commodore 64's, my Tandy Color Computers, and Atari 800XL's. Also my 20 year old PC's function fine. Also if the life span is determined not only by physical life span but the ability it play the newest media and games, then each new console generation becomes obsolete, even if it carries one generation of backward compatibility.
PC gamer or console gamer - we must all upgrade in one sense or the other. I'm not playing Fallout 4 on my Atari 2600 any more than I am on my 1994 486DX2 66Mhz. Upgrading and/or buying new equipment is part of the game no matter which platform you choose. Is one more expensive than the other? Sure but if one has the money to spend on an expensive gaming pc it shouldn't matter to the gamer who chooses to purchase a relatively inexpensive console if that's all he can afford.
Fair point atarileaf fair point. But i,m sure you'll be upgrading the computer much more often than a console. Not really any meaningful exclusives on the PC compared to console anymore. You have the classic RTS games, and the great indie scene. But seems like a pretty disposable platform and DRM. I don't consider people who support DRM real gamers, and we also don't need a high end PC to run DOOM, or duke nukem 3d anymore. 90s PC gaming sure.. Now not so much. Just to add Microsoft are trying to bring halo 5 to windows, if that doesn't spell desperate I don't know what else will.
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Why is this argument even still a thing. I'm all for having the option of choosing one over the other. There's nothing wrong with having preferences or engaging in a healthy debate. But we're all adults here with the power to buy whatever we choose with our big adult paychecks. It's one thing to be stubbornly loyal to a company or brand when you're a kid and your parents can only afford one console (or none, in my case.) It's quite another to still be picking fights over these things when we can choose whatever we want and have it delivered directly to our door through the magic of the Internet. The '90s are over, guys. I thought we were better than this.
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This type of PC fanbase is the worst. Like they constantly hated on GTA V for a long time, then as soon as it came out it's suddenly the greatest game ever made.
Even worse imo are the crazy Nintendo-only fans that defend the crap that NoA pulls.
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I think it's pointless to compare, because it all come downs to what kind of games you like to play, as clearly shown by your not-at-all-biased post.
"PC gamers claim that "all the best games come to PC." This is completely false. Taste aside, where are the critically-acclaimed, award-winning games like Mario or Zelda on the PC?"
Last I heard, Starcraft 2, World of Warcraft, Dota 2, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, Unreal Tournament, XCOM and Might and Magic Heroes, are exactly those things.
They are two different entities, ffs.
PC is a piece of shit you go through so many loops to play a game and get it running, that comes outdated in a few years or breaks.
Master race? The platform is dying. It's only big in 3rd world countries with this DOTA crap.
My PC is from 2012, and can still play Battlefront at maxed-out settings. I don't have to go through any loops to play a game, I just download it and play. If you're on Linux or OS X, that's definitely true though.
And the personal computer is hardly dying. Sure, the casual market has moved more towards mobile devices, but really, in that regard, consoles are more dying than PC. People are even unsure if there'll be next generation consoles from Microsoft and Sony. You really just pulled that claim straight out of your behind, sir.
You've had your pc for 3 years? , enjoy it well it lasts. It'll crap out in a few years with blue screen, and error messages that might as well be written in chinese. Check it's life span it's not suppose to last long, I'm presuming your not tech savvy either. So as I said enjoy it while it lasts.
You're incredible. The only reason error messages pop up in today's computers is because you've done something wrong. With today's SSD's, the lifespan of a computer has gotten a lot longer.
And what do you mean "The lifespan is not supposed to be long"? My power supply has a 10-year warranty.
ffs.. ._.
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You've had your pc for 3 years? , enjoy it well it lasts. It'll crap out in a few years with blue screen, and error messages that might as well be written in chinese. Check it's life span it's not suppose to last long, I'm presuming your not tech savvy either. So as I said enjoy it while it lasts.
You could change "PC" to "XBox One" or "PS4" and it would also be true.
You own an atari don't you? Still working isn't it?
As are my Commodore 64's, my Tandy Color Computers, and Atari 800XL's. Also my 20 year old PC's function fine. Also if the life span is determined not only by physical life span but the ability it play the newest media and games, then each new console generation becomes obsolete, even if it carries one generation of backward compatibility.
PC gamer or console gamer - we must all upgrade in one sense or the other. I'm not playing Fallout 4 on my Atari 2600 any more than I am on my 1994 486DX2 66Mhz. Upgrading and/or buying new equipment is part of the game no matter which platform you choose. Is one more expensive than the other? Sure but if one has the money to spend on an expensive gaming pc it shouldn't matter to the gamer who chooses to purchase a relatively inexpensive console if that's all he can afford.
Fair point atarileaf fair point. But i,m sure you'll be upgrading the computer much more often than a console. Not really any meaningful exclusives on the PC compared to console anymore. You have the classic RTS games, and the great indie scene. But seems like a pretty disposable platform and DRM. I don't consider people who support DRM real gamers, and we also don't need a high end PC to run DOOM, or duke nukem 3d anymore. 90s PC gaming sure.. Now not so much. Just to add Microsoft are trying to bring halo 5 to windows, if that doesn't spell desperate I don't know what else will.
I personally don't buy gaming pc's today since I don't do much modern gaming on any platform. A kid who works for me just dropped well over a grand on some gaming pc upgrades because he enjoys LAN gaming with his buddies and he's surprisingly not much of a console gamer. I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a PC now and even in the past when I was gaming I never went high end. Just couldn't justify the cost but he's got the cash, lives at home with no bills or other financial responsibilities so I guess it's fine for him.
Your points about DRM and disposability of platforms are valid and one of the main reasons I stay away from most modern gaming today. DRM and micro-transactions on already $60 games have kept me firmly on the retro side of gaming for the most part.
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Wow...talk about a thread blowing up over the weekend! :o
Me personally, I've been an on-again / off-again PC gamer since the early 80's, even before the NES made it's triumphant presence known in the states. I grew up on old PC games like Red Baron. The PC offered great games (for me) back in the late 80's and early 90's. Sierra was my favorite publisher during that period with the Leisure Suit Larry, King's Quest and Space Quest games. I played their stuff all the way into the era of FMV games with stuff like Phantasmagoria. These days, I play stuff like Fallout and the Elder Scrolls collections and the few games that aren't available such as the first Witcher.
My original point was that the mindset that PC gaming is better than console gaming seems to be centered on things like resolution and framerate, and the claim that all the best games are on the PC. When publishers like Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft release some of the very best games and they are not on the PC, it renders that claim completely false. It's selective goal post moving.
For me, the PC will always be part of my gaming because of the sheer back catalog of titles available on it and the fact that the games are infinitely modable. But being able to play stuff like New Super Mario Wii U, Mario Maker, Donkey Kong and Yoshi's Wooly World (among so, so many others) will always trump playing a multiplatform title in 4K resolution. I guess I'll just have to suffer the HD picture my lowly television outputs. :P
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I'm primarily play games on PC vs console. I've put many years in on console games too. PC is unmatched for some games while console is unmatched for other games. Games made for one and then ported to the other are not good for comparison. I usually do not like ports.
If you want to talk about multiplayer skill, then in those few cross-platform games, PC still wins. Although my experience in those are only Quake 3 (DCvsPC) and Halo 2 (Xbox vs PC).
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I originally was very much a console-only gamer. Growing up, internet was usually slow (we were dial-up still long after others switched to something else), but we had decent consoles and games. I bought my first DS Lite in college and was a big handheld gamer during those years. At that time, our home PC wasn't very powerful, so the few games that I was interested in back then wouldn't run very well, if at all. I do recall playing The Longest Journey, the Sims, Fallout 1, and an emulated version of Earthbound back then, if anything.
I had no idea what Steam was until a friend bought me a Steam game. From there, I appreciated the easy matchmaking functionality as he and I fumbled through other free software trying to find a way to play Borderlands together.
At that point, I was only occasionally playing games on my Xbox 360, though that was mainly Rockband and Guitar Hero. The PS2 was still kicking, thankfully, so I remember enjoying kicking back with a few hours of Persona 4.
After a while, as Steam became more and more ubiquitous, I found myself accumulating more and more PC games.
I think I still prefer the console experience, but I love that more and more developers are able to self-publish their games now through Steam. Consoles get that as well (I remember the early days of Castle Crashers and Limbo), but it's bit of a delay now usually between the PC release vs. digital console release.
But yeah, as others have said, there are many reasons for folks to prefer one platform over the other. Perhaps they have a PC with decent specs or they really like mods/modding. Someone else might prefer console because they don't have a great PC or they just prefer the living room experience. I definitely go between the two all the time but probably prefer the console at the moment because our gaming PC is decent but probably couldn't beat out what the PS4 currently can do.
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My "gaming PC" is a beige Power Mac G3 from 1998. It has a whopping 333 MHz processor, and upgraded to 128 MB of RAM and 500 GB hard drive space. ;D
(http://lowendmac.com/wp-content/uploads/beige-powermac-g3-tower.jpg)
But it can play easily Sim City 2000, all the Lucas Arts games, Lords of the Realm 2 and even Myth II. It's a fun old computer to fire up and play around with.
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My "gaming PC" is a beige Power Mac G3 from 1998. It has a whopping 333 MHz processor, and upgraded to 128 MB of RAM and 500 GB hard drive space. ;D
(http://lowendmac.com/wp-content/uploads/beige-powermac-g3-tower.jpg)
But it can play easily Sim City 2000, all the Lucas Arts games, Lords of the Realm 2 and even Myth II. It's a fun old computer to fire up and play around with.
I was thinking that it'd be great to have an older computer to play my older PC games on. I haven't figured out a workaround atm for some of my old PC disc games.
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Thoughts?
What an obnoxious thread title.
It is obnoxious, but I only used it because that is the type of elitist attitude that I run into daily online and the very titles that are applied. I see that your games collection are from Europe and Japan so I assume you live in one of those areas. Forgive me if I am incorrect. But "PC Master Race" and "Console Peasant" are terms often used in the US to show the (supposed) superiority of PC gamers and gaming.
Ha! I live in Europe and am concious of the inferiority of PAL software before 60Hz became the norm here.
I'm a 10 year user of Steam, with 180 odd titles in my collection, but I only use site to log my physical titles.
Either way, the one or nothing mentality, combined with the playful "PC Master Race" term doesn't really sit right with me.