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General and Gaming => Modern Video Games => Topic started by: dreama1 on March 13, 2017, 11:43:04 pm
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Do you think the Nintendo switch will fail or be successful?
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Already off to a great start. I think it'll be successful enough in the long run. Maybe not huge numbers, but enough to bring Nintendo back around.
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Already off to a great start. I think it'll be successful enough in the long run. Maybe not huge numbers, but enough to bring Nintendo back around.
Adam Koralik had a lot to say on the subject. EA, and Ubisoft are looking questionable with future support. I think sales have been strong so far but it's not saying much the 32X sold well at the start until its game drought kicked in. I don't know I think things are going to heat again and the subject will be about 3rd party support again probably.
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Already off to a great start. I think it'll be successful enough in the long run. Maybe not huge numbers, but enough to bring Nintendo back around.
Adam Koralik had a lot to say on the subject. EA, and Ubisoft are looking questionable with future support. I think sales have been strong so far but it's not saying much the 32X sold well at the start until its game drought kicked in. I don't know I think things are going to heat again and the subject will be about 3rd party support again probably.
I see no real reason for the Switch to fail, even in the long run. It's already off to a massive start, it doesn't have a game drought coming, and the Switch will in all likelihood be the 3DS replacement once that's done with in the next year or two, where that library will then move to the Switch. Third party games could be abit of an issue, but we'll have to see with that.
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Already off to a great start. I think it'll be successful enough in the long run. Maybe not huge numbers, but enough to bring Nintendo back around.
Adam Koralik had a lot to say on the subject. EA, and Ubisoft are looking questionable with future support. I think sales have been strong so far but it's not saying much the 32X sold well at the start until its game drought kicked in. I don't know I think things are going to heat again and the subject will be about 3rd party support again probably.
I see no real reason for the Switch to fail, even in the long run. It's already off to a massive start, it doesn't have a game drought coming, and the Switch will in all likelihood be the 3DS replacement once that's done with in the next year or two, where that library will then move to the Switch. Third party games could be abit of an issue, but we'll have to see with that.
How much life does the 3DS have left anyway?
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How much life does the 3DS have left anyway
Don't know, it might depend on the sales as I know they are still selling systems. Like I figured Nintendo would try looking at maybe phasing things out next year, maybe 2018 at the latest. It just went past its 6th year anniversary in Japan last month and I think it's absolutely shown its age lately with some mostly poor ports of games (Though really, it was never smart to release Wii and Wii U games on such an underpowered system). Plus closing out on the 3DS would then work in favor of pushing the Switch as the one system for themselves. It again might just depend on sales, particularly how well the Switch does over the next year.
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How much life does the 3DS have left anyway
Don't know, it might depend on the sales as I know they are still selling systems. Like I figured Nintendo would try looking at maybe phasing things out next year, maybe 2018 at the latest. It just went past its 6th year anniversary in Japan last month and I think it's absolutely shown its age lately with some mostly poor ports of games (Though really, it was never smart to release Wii and Wii U games on such an underpowered system). Plus closing out on the 3DS would then work in favor of pushing the Switch as the one system for themselves. It again might just depend on sales, particularly how well the Switch does over the next year.
What are the poor ports are you talking about out of curiosity? I didn't notice it was showing it's age. The whole portable generation has always been little strange to me. Speaking of which what the hell's going on with the Vita situation anyway? The bastard child. Presumably it's going to continue it's zombie march forward and outlive the 3DS at this rate.
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What are the poor ports are you talking about out of curiosity? I didn't notice it was showing it's age. The whole portable generation has always been little strange to me. Speaking of which what the hell's going on with the Vita situation anyway? The bastard child. Presumably it's going to continue it's zombie march forward and outlive the 3DS at this rate.
Xenoblade Chronicles ran and looked pretty bad. Smash Bros might've been fine, I didn't play that, but Hyrule Warriors Legends wasn't that great (Playable, but it's such a downgrade), and I heard the Super Mario Maker port wasn't that great since they had to cut out stuff. They tried to gives the system a boost with the New 3DS, but it didn't really seem to offer much in the way of better games that had to use it. I guess Majora's Mask was supposed to be benefit from the New 3DS, but I'm not sure that's the best sign for a system that it takes updated hardware to play an updated N64 game better lol
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I guess Majora's Mask was supposed to be benefit from the New 3DS, but I'm not sure that's the best sign for a system that it takes updated hardware to play an updated N64 game better lol
It totally isn't outputting a significantly higher polygon draw rate... an improved framerate... twice! because of the stereoscopic 3D. I mean it isn't N3DS exclusive either, it supports that c-stick. (you should keep that rendering twice thing in mind when thinking about Xenoblade Chronicles 3D).
Smash Bros. looks so much better than I was expecting (even on the standard 3DS, the screen size is about tolerable). Super solid framerate, though it does take a brief naptime to start up the game, as it's booting in own proprietary OS to free up some RAM of the 3DS features not being used.
If you wanna talk about bad performance on the system, Pokemon has got you covered. I simply haven't noticed any drops with Xenoblade yet. (for rreference: I'm at Bionis Leg, encountered a mechon that talks)
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It's off to a promising start and having owned one for over a week I can already see how it has way more appeal than the Wii U given its portable/tablet functionality. At no point when playing am I aware that I am playing the game from a tablet whether at home or on the go, however I could use it as a tablet if I wanted to. I think this will definitely make it appeal to a far greater audience than the Wii U was ever able to reach. On that note, I don't think it will be successful as the Wii in terms of sales, but could see it out performing the sales of the Gamecube and N64.
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As for the Switch: I'm agreeing with what others have implied, which is that the Switch has no reason not to be successful... it's just that it's a matter of time. Comparisons have been made to the 3DS, which also started slow, but eventually went up in sales due to increasing support. I know it's kind of a simplistic/cop-outy answer, but it really just depends on Nintendo. People want Metroid and old IPs revived, and it needs 3rd party support; if it gets those properly this time around, I think it should do just fine. And especially with the way Xbox/PS4 stuff has been going, Nintendo really needs to work on differentiating itself and putting out console exclusives that are worth picking up a Switch for. Obviously, from a tech perspective, it won't be competing with an Xbox/PS4, so it has to compete in other ways.
Fun note, Ben Heck did a breakdown of the switch, and found that the RAM (I think? It was some component) was made to be easily replaceable; He suspects we'll see a Switch with upgraded hardware in the near future. Others have noted that Nintendo had patents or copyrights or something like that mentioning VR-esque tech. So it's very possible that the Switch could also act as Nintendo's VR-esque machine, which (at it's price point) could help to sell it and make it very competitive, with the proper game support.
As for the 3DS: business.financialpost.com says here that "Nintendo president Tatsumi Kimishima went on record last fall saying that while the company's upcoming hybrid console, dubbed Switch, will presumably succeed its home console, the Wii U, it will not replace its portable game machine, Nintendo 3DS.Jan 25, 2017." That's from Google, and just one source, but it is a statement from the President, himself. I think they will continue to have a completely independent, portable platform. The *new* 3DS hasn't released all that many titles geared toward it specifically, but as Indenton said, playing games like Pokemon Sun on an old 3DS XL has resulted in really noticeable issues. Sony hasn't spoken a word about a follow-up to the Vita, and they were basically the only competitor this generation for mobile stuff (aside from tablets/phones obviously). Until this happens, I think Nintendo may be comfortable with releasing games for the *new* 3DS, as we are seeing with Fire Emblem titles.
Now, I guess it always *could* happen that the Switch becomes so successful that they decide to focus on just that, but I find it unlikely. Despite it's portability, I'm not exactly sure that it can replace the portability a 3DS has in an urban environment like Tokyo, etc. They also still own the GameBoy name; could be the next installment is a new GameBoy after the 3DS. Who knows?
TL;DR - *New* 3DS doesn't have any competitors, and graphical power (not to be confused with presentation) has never been Nintendo's strong point or concern, for the most part. Fire Emblem indicates it still has some life left it officially, and unless Nintendo feels compelled to replace it, there's not really any reason to for now. I don't think the Switch will effect that much, if at all.
Someone mentioned 2018... that sounds pretty good to me. I guess it's just a question of where will they go from here? Who knows, maybe it will be a sort of Switch companion; a much smaller version that uses the same controllers, perhaps? Imagine a GBA SP, but the bottom are the two detachable controllers... could be interesting haha.
Though now I'm starting to seriously wonder what we might see integrated, either in philosophy or shared components, from the Switch in a new portable console. I could definitely see cross-platform capabilities/play.
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A great launch doesn't mean it will be successful, though, guys. Look at the Dreamcast.
As always with a Nintendo system, I think the third-party support will make or break it.
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A great launch doesn't mean it will be successful, though, guys. Look at the Dreamcast.
As always with a Nintendo system, I think the third-party support will make or break it.
Sega rushed Sonic Adventure for the Dreamcast, Nintendo delayed the Nintendo 64 for Super Mario 64, one of these games still hold up.
Well we know about a whole bunch of games which have yet to release (ARMS, Super Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, FE Warriors) so I think its release schedule is being well paced. Instead of rushing all of these games for launch and leaving a ghost town of a launch schedule
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If you wanna talk about bad performance on the system, Pokemon has got you covered. I simply haven't noticed any drops with Xenoblade yet. (for rreference: I'm at Bionis Leg, encountered a mechon that talks)
I played up to the second area of the game and both of the boss fights that happen, the one in the town I think it was against a mechanical boss and then the creature in the cave, the framerate was terrible during those.
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Depends if we are talking in terms of sales or in quality. Success is always used when referring to sales. But success means more than sales to me when defining a console. Success means more if a console innovated and had an amazing library and memorable titles. But typically sales are brought up as if it matters to anyone other than a Nintendo CEO.
So if you mean sales, it will probably fail in comparison to sony's sales. "It can't run at 60fps 4k and it doesnt have COD bruh..., it has old graphics bruh." That quote alone is why it will fail. Gaming has been taken over by specs peasants and people who rather play interactive movies and first person shooters over and over again rather than an actual innovative 1st party exclusive title that will be marveled and played for years to come. Not saying Sony and Xbox don't release their good games because they do and I love Xbox One. I am just referring to the overly saturated first person shooter and sports game market than is really conquered by sony and xbox and although xbox releases their incredible games and so does sony, I feel Nintendo seems to do more of it and still gets labeled a failure because they refuse to cater to a over whelming fps market. Nintendo was never a failure. Nintendo never let us down imo. Wii U has an impressive library of 1st party titles that I can play at any time. more so than my xbox one imo. And Wii U remains the most underated and unfairly hated system ever to me. It was innovative and awesome.
So if I had to guess it will be just like every year, Sony will outsell xbox, xbox will outsell Nintendo. PC will outperform them all specs wise but people will still bring up specs as a downfall of Nintendo when really no console has good specs in 2017. and Nintendo will make the best 1st party games that are more memorable and ones that we will actually pick up and play in 5 years but only purists and people who can look past specs or people who are Nintendo fan boys will buy them. :)
and I hope it isn't the case, so far it seems like switch's sales are amazing and they have set Nintendo launch records in both software and hardware. I feel it may outsell GameCube if they keep their foot on the gas and give us a Metroid lol. It is well on it's way to being far more successful than the wii u in terms of sales. And it is also a very innovative and amazing masterpiece. Breathe of the wild alone gave us something we may only see once every decade. a true breathe taking classic. and that alone makes it a success in my eyes :)
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If you wanna talk about bad performance on the system, Pokemon has got you covered. I simply haven't noticed any drops with Xenoblade yet. (for rreference: I'm at Bionis Leg, encountered a mechon that talks)
I played up to the second area of the game and both of the boss fights that happen, the one in the town I think it was against a mechanical boss and then the creature in the cave, the framerate was terrible during those.
I only noticed framerate issues with large bosses and fights during the last portions of the game (maybe about 50/55 hours in?). In general though the graphical quality was definitely pretty poor, especially compared to the Wii version. There was lots of pixels/blocks and it was hard to make out detail... the rain looked especially bad if I remember correctly.
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A great launch doesn't mean it will be successful, though, guys. Look at the Dreamcast.
As always with a Nintendo system, I think the third-party support will make or break it.
The Dreamcast did extremely well for the first year it was out. What ended up killing it in the end was the PS2 which as much as I love it, was everyone's go to DVD player for the first year and a half it was out. Since most people buy one game console per generation, this sort of killed the Dreamcast.
Relating this back to this thread, unless some emerging technology comes along that does something way better for around the same price or less, I don't think the Switch will experience the same sort of failure as the Dreamcast. And Nintendo has never relied heavily on third party support to sell their consoles.
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I feel like the switch will be a minor success such as the gamecube. It won't get every third party or sell the best but it will make them money and still sell way more units than the wii u.
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I don't have high expectations. It's a bad sign that we're not already seeing a lot of big multi-plats scheduled for release. To be really successful it needs to have as much to offer as possible, and if it doesn't, it won't continue to sell other than to Nintendo faithfuls.
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Nintendo really should be doing all they can to court the third-parties. Nintendo franchises are fantastic, don't get me wrong. But I think they are FINALLY starting to show their age a little. People are bypassing Nintendo consoles, and Mario just isn't enough appeal anymore.
If they can't court the third-parties for whatever reason, then Nintendo should really start thinking about pushing new IPs. They used to. Other than Splatoon (which I'm not a big a multiplayer person), Nintendo seems to just keep making sequels or spin-offs.
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@marvelvscapcom2 pretty much wrote what I was thinking.
Switch is going to struggle as a home console, but if can pick up the majority of the 3ds market then it will be a financial success.
I'm still mourning the Wii U. Too many haters in this world have killed off some amazing consoles. Go enjoy another round of Overwatch.
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@marvelvscapcom2 pretty much wrote what I was thinking.
Switch is going to struggle as a home console, but if can pick up the majority of the 3ds market then it will be a financial success.
I'm still mourning the Wii U. Too many haters in this world have killed off some amazing consoles. Go enjoy another round of Overwatch.
"Haters" didn't kill off the Wii U, the system failed entirely on its own lol
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^ Yeah, due to bad mis-marketing, no price drops, and (again) poor third-party support.
But the hardware really is cool.
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@marvelvscapcom2 pretty much wrote what I was thinking.
Switch is going to struggle as a home console, but if can pick up the majority of the 3ds market then it will be a financial success.
I'm still mourning the Wii U. Too many haters in this world have killed off some amazing consoles. Go enjoy another round of Overwatch.
"Haters" didn't kill off the Wii U, the system failed entirely on its own lol
I can't really think of anything innovative that PS4 and XB1 brought to gaming this gen (I have those systems too), but the Wii U brought some unique gaming experiences. The ability to play the system without a tv, dual screen gaming, and Miiverse.
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@marvelvscapcom2 pretty much wrote what I was thinking.
Switch is going to struggle as a home console, but if can pick up the majority of the 3ds market then it will be a financial success.
I'm still mourning the Wii U. Too many haters in this world have killed off some amazing consoles. Go enjoy another round of Overwatch.
"Haters" didn't kill off the Wii U, the system failed entirely on its own lol
Can you elaborate a bit? Are we talking Marketing or actual quality? I agree if you are talking sales and Nintendo shooting themselves in the foot in marketing but I just wanted to know if you think Wii U is a failure as a console and that is honestly wasn't sabotaged by Sony fanboys? Because it truly was a victim of unfair hate.
Haters killed the Wii U in fairness. The system didn't fail off of it's quality. The overwatch twitch streaming, first person shooter, youtube commentary Leafy, CS:GO type community abuses every Nintendo console unfairly because they have nothing better to do. The Wii U was a very innovative console with a solid library of unique titles and it masterfully ushered in a lot of new ideas and titles instead of taking the Sony route and making PS3 2.0. It was a cold gen for gaming but all companies were affected. Nintendo the least imo. Nintendo made a lot of amazing memorable titles that we can always play and look back on. Really the ps4 should be the failure in sales when looking at it's titles but people still buy it because of marketing and some sort of brainwashing gaming is going through. PS and XB fanboys immediately doomed the Wii U to failure from it's launch till it's death. Making reddit posts, disliking videos. it started a propaganda smear campaign against the Wii U. When really it never sold awful quantities and Nintendo made just as much off Amiibos and 3DS as Xbox made off of the Xbox one or probably much more. People forget Nintendo Dominates in other areas too. Xbox and Sony sell more because they dominate 3 games. COD, Madden and Battlefield. Those 3 franchises alone outsell all other current gaming franchises combined. Nintendo will never win those fan bases so they will always sell less. But that doesn't equate quality. And outside of the first person shooter genre. PS4 and XB1 are extremely abysmal in third party support as well. No variety and a lot of filler. :D
I feel Wii U is a top 5 console of all time for what it brought. It perfected the interactive figure market, Miiverse, 40 or so Exclusive A tier titles and a console that can be played on TV or on the controller and also can use like 5 different types of controllers at once. Oh, and something that might as well be folklore now adays. backwards compatability!!! :o lol. Which is amazing. It has the entire Wii Library, Its own Library as well as many E Shop classics from the past. It's library is monstrous if you look at it in that way. It will always be a success in everywhere other than sales in my eyes. I love Wii U for ever :D. But we all have preferences :)
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The Wii U had a small library of games, and failed to market itself properly. It lacked significant third party support and had a terrible online service. The Wii U failed entirely on its own, not because console fanboys didn't like it or people like watching or playing Overwatch more (Of which Overwatch is totally a great game). Console fanboys are a tiny part of the market. A console only survives by mainstream support, which it never got. I think it's a great system, but it had issues that led to its downfall that Nintendo could never recover from.
It's why I think the Switch will do better as it's done a whole lot more to cement itself with mainstream support and clarifying what it truly is. Will that continue? I don't know. Might depend on how fast Nintendo can restock and keep people invested in the system over this year.
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Nintendo has done a phenomenal job marketing the Switch. It makes the system look very attractive to third party.
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The Wii u didn't fail because of fanboys however stupid they might be. The Wii u failed because terrible marketing, little 3rd party support, and because 1st party games only trickled out.
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I cannot be sure if it will be a major success or no but what I can be sure about is that it will be more successful than the wii u is just because it is combining both of the markets Nintendo is in, home console and handheld.
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It was both Nintendo's fault and hater's faults, IMO.
Nintendo massively failed at marketing the system. They failed to court third-parties. And they never gave it a price drop, which is almost unheard of with consoles.
But at the same time, yeah, the hate was strong for Nintendo this generation. I saw soooo many people hating on it that never even picked up a Wii U Pad to experience how cool it actually was.
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It was both Nintendo's fault and hater's faults, IMO.
Nintendo massively failed at marketing the system. They failed to court third-parties. And they never gave it a price drop, which is almost unheard of with consoles.
But at the same time, yeah, the hate was strong for Nintendo this generation. I saw soooo many people hating on it that never even picked up a Wii U Pad to experience how cool it actually was.
You can't blame people for not picking it up, it didn't have a very great selection of games, and Nintendo earned a lot of ill will for their backwards handling of Youtube. Again, haters weren't a factor to any serious degree, it was nearly all on Nintendo for messing up, of which they've basically admitted as much.
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It was the same thing that happened to Dreamcast. First console to robustly support online gaming, innovative games, cool features with VMU / innovative controllers for special games (maracas, guns) / special downloadable additions to games. Yet PS2 comes on the scene and dominates with a Playstation 1 upgrade with a DVD player. I can bet that 99% of users never took the system online.
It really is just a preference though. The majority of gamers will pick another iteration of COD over an innovative new game.
I don't believe Wii U failed to market itself. Nintendo failed to account for a market that no longer desires their gaming experiences. When speaking with average gamers (not us who go on sites because our collections are counted in the hundreds and thousands of titles) they are thrilled with the experiences provided on their cell phones, XB1/PS4, and computers. They enjoy free games to kill time, a Friday night FPS match, and streaming Netflix on their console. They are not looking for a unique FPS like Splatoon, or a simplistic yet engagingly deep experience like Smash Bros, or a bizarre puzzle game that stars a mushroom headed character like Captain Toad Treasure Tracker.
The library for the Wii U, although very small, is some of the most innovative games that have graced consoles in the past 10 years. Dare I say in the past 40.
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^ The Nintendo games are very good, no doubt. But that's it. And that's the problem.
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Yet PS2 comes on the scene and dominates with a Playstation 1 upgrade with a DVD player. I can bet that 99% of users never took the system online.
I really have to disagree here; I think this is a huge misappropriation of the PS2. I could make the same argument that the Wii U is just a Wii upgrade with a Gamepad. And I would argue that the Wii U has its fair share of un-innovative or "rehashed" games as well. New Super Mario Bros. U, Mario Tennis US, Mario Party 10, Paper Mario Color Splash immediately come to mind, and there are certainly others.
And though the PS2 was not overly known for online games, it actually did have at least a decent amount of online support. Some of the popular games that I know of were Final Fantasy XI, Metal Gear Online, SOCOM, Star Wars Battlefront II, etc.
i just think it's not true that the majority of "gamers" play on the Wii U, and the average gamers who "no longer desire their gaming experiences" (whatever that means), only play on the PS4 or Xbox One. That seems like a very broad and bold statement that's pretty hard to defend.
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Yeah no kidding. SOCOM was a big online game for me, I played FFXI for abit, I think I played Battlefront 2 on PC, but I did play Battlefield Modern Combat on the PS2. Hell, the Final Fantasy XI PS2 servers lasted till 2016. The console was discontinued in 2013. There were the Resident Evil Outbreak games. I know there were a few other good ones too. I'm pretty sure I remember the Dreamcast had a number of other issues to overcome, but I haven't really delved into the Dreamcast enough to know for sure with that.
The Wii worked because it had a crap ton of games, no matter the quality, so it appealed to a casual market, the market that actually sells systems. It was unique and had a ton of games. The Wii U was unique to people that truly understood it, but Nintendo failed to justify its unique feature. People thought it was a Wii attachment, as the terrible Wii U name didn't help. The marketing for the system wasn't great (People have said they think the Switch has done more to market itself just in the lead up to the launch than the Wii U got in its entire lifespan). There aren't many unique games for the system either. Of the very small library of truly good games for it, I'd probably not be able to pull out ten that I would say are "innovative or unique". The console simply did not have enough games to draw more people in. Simple as that. Even when it did get multi-platform games, the Wii U was rarely the better version and often was not as good as the other versions.
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The Wii worked because it had a crap ton of games, no matter the quality, so it appealed to a casual market, the market that actually sells systems. It was unique and had a ton of games. The Wii U was unique to people that truly understood it, but Nintendo failed to justify its unique feature. People thought it was a Wii attachment, as the terrible Wii U name didn't help. The marketing for the system wasn't great (People have said they think the Switch has done more to market itself just in the lead up to the launch than the Wii U got in its entire lifespan). There aren't many unique games for the system either. Of the very small library of truly good games for it, I'd probably not be able to pull out ten that I would say are "innovative or unique". The console simply did not have enough games to draw more people in. Simple as that. Even when it did get multi-platform games, the Wii U was rarely the better version and often was not as good as the other versions.
And the vast majority of the multiplatform games on the Wii U were from the PS3/Xbox 360 era to begin with. Once the PS4/Xbox One games hit the shelves, the third party support all but dried up, because the Wii U was simply not powerful enough. That's just flat out failing to market the Wii U competitively, totally separate from what games are on the console.
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The Wii worked because it had a crap ton of games, no matter the quality, so it appealed to a casual market, the market that actually sells systems. It was unique and had a ton of games. The Wii U was unique to people that truly understood it, but Nintendo failed to justify its unique feature. People thought it was a Wii attachment, as the terrible Wii U name didn't help. The marketing for the system wasn't great (People have said they think the Switch has done more to market itself just in the lead up to the launch than the Wii U got in its entire lifespan). There aren't many unique games for the system either. Of the very small library of truly good games for it, I'd probably not be able to pull out ten that I would say are "innovative or unique". The console simply did not have enough games to draw more people in. Simple as that. Even when it did get multi-platform games, the Wii U was rarely the better version and often was not as good as the other versions.
And the vast majority of the multiplatform games on the Wii U were from the PS3/Xbox 360 era to begin with. Once the PS4/Xbox One games hit the shelves, the third party support all but dried up, because the Wii U was simply not powerful enough. That's just flat out failing to market the Wii U competitively, totally separate from what games are on the console.
The situation is more awkward now. The switch is technically a 9th generation console, and the first. The gap might be even larger than 2-3 years before we see anything new from Sony or Microsoft in the realms of a new console.
Nintendo can't float around in a void forever like they're doing as much as anyone would like that. Quality 1st party games if anything was learned from the Wii U was it was not enough. In fact it wasn't particularly enough with the N64, or gamecube. And the situation is much more ugly in the market than it was in those days.
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The Wii worked because it had a crap ton of games, no matter the quality, so it appealed to a casual market, the market that actually sells systems. It was unique and had a ton of games. The Wii U was unique to people that truly understood it, but Nintendo failed to justify its unique feature. People thought it was a Wii attachment, as the terrible Wii U name didn't help. The marketing for the system wasn't great (People have said they think the Switch has done more to market itself just in the lead up to the launch than the Wii U got in its entire lifespan). There aren't many unique games for the system either. Of the very small library of truly good games for it, I'd probably not be able to pull out ten that I would say are "innovative or unique". The console simply did not have enough games to draw more people in. Simple as that. Even when it did get multi-platform games, the Wii U was rarely the better version and often was not as good as the other versions.
And the vast majority of the multiplatform games on the Wii U were from the PS3/Xbox 360 era to begin with. Once the PS4/Xbox One games hit the shelves, the third party support all but dried up, because the Wii U was simply not powerful enough. That's just flat out failing to market the Wii U competitively, totally separate from what games are on the console.
The situation is more awkward now. The switch is technically a 9th generation console, and the first. The gap might be even larger than 2-3 years before we see anything new from Sony or Microsoft in the realms of a new console.
Nintendo can't float around in a void forever like they're doing as much as anyone would like that. Quality 1st party games if anything was learned from the Wii U was it was not enough. In fact it wasn't particularly enough with the N64, or gamecube. And the situation is much more ugly in the market than it was in those days.
Which is why I think by then, that the Switch will also have its 3DS library merging, giving it a lot more games. It won't ever be able to compete power wise to a PS5 or whatever thing Xbox does if they aren't dead by then, but it would be the only solid portable experience (There's no way Sony does another handheld), while offering a reasonable at home experience too.
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My only issue with that is I don't know if I would like the switch as a pure handheld. I haven't used it, but I imagine it would be bulky and cumbersome, and the 3 hour battery life doesn't help either. Anyone have experience with it as a handheld so far?
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My only issue with that is I don't know if I would like the switch as a pure handheld. I haven't used it, but I imagine it would be bulky and cumbersome, and the 3 hour battery life doesn't help either. Anyone have experience with it as a handheld so far?
It depends on how you use a handheld. The Switch would need to be carried in a purse (ahem... Case). The 3ds barely fits in pockets still, but the Switch is about the size of a Wii U gamepad without the bulk. I would take it on a business trip, but it seems bulky to take on a trip to the doctor's office waiting room. Although I have been known to take my Game Gear with me and I get a lot of fun stares.
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Honestly I feel like the "Revisioned" version of Switch. Is going to be the real success.
I feel like Nintendo is going to do with Switch something similar to what happened with Gameboy/DS (DS/Dsi/3ds/3DS XL/ 3DSXL NEW)
Because the cost of the console is alot lower. This allow Nintendo every 3-5 years bring out new Console.
I think Switch will succeed. But time will tell. The more popular console usually gets more exclusives. Basically if Nintendo can get everyone that been making games for their 3DS/DS games to make for Switch. We be Golden. + Get people also make for more powerful console.
My big question is... if Nintendo sees Switch as the NEW 3DS.... or if their something else waiting for us.
Cause i am looking forward to "New Generation Handheld" that not a phone. Unless the Phone is the Gaming Console. (Meaning i can TXT/APPs/Browse Internet/Take Videos and Pictures) and have small place to insert 3DS size cartridges, if not smaller. Tipping the phone sideways and have size switch controllers wirelessly connected to the phone. With stand case attachment.
Which in theory is basically phone with a Emulator App + controller that hooks up thru blutooth. But i want more of Gaming Console than a phone.
In Truth. I want a TRUE Portable Home Handheld Console. With 10 Hours of Battery Life. Samsung Note Size Screen. That Connects on the go as 720p and at home 4k Resolution. With new Mobile Speed of 5G (50 mybites) with 100% Coverage anywere in United States even in middle of Woods. (2025 *fingers crossed)