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General / Re: Why is Xbox not as desirable to collectors?

« on: August 10, 2026, 05:41:10 pm »

I never quite understood this either. XBOX was the first console I collected for where I reached a point where I was pretty much like, "yep, I'm done now." And what's crazy is it was pretty easy and pretty inexpensive. I bought the majority of my original XBOX games for under $5 each, and probably the most I spent on any of them was maybe $15 bucks. That's including all the heavy hitters like Operation Genesis too. Even now when I go to usd media stores, there are a ton of quality XBOX titles on the shelf that just linger there. Meanwhile, the PS2 section is pretty much just old sports games and shovelware, and the Gamecube section is literally non-existant 90% of the time. It's always been strange to me, but I guess it just didn't land with most collectors like Nintendo, Sony, and Sega stuff did.

In the spirit of this, I just decided to get back into my childhood 360. And it's still like you said. In 2 days I got a total of 42 games for 100 bucks! That's around 2.25 a game for 360. And we're talking minimum shovelware. Games like Viva Piniata and Halos and such.  I grew up on 360 and idk what caused me to segregate.  The only thing I can guess is my gf and I met in 2020. Shes on PS architecture and long distance occasionally so any game we play together was always on Playstation.  And I already had a big PS2 library. So continuity played a part.


I'm enjoying seeing lots under 40 dollars again in 2026 thats for sure. 


Like burning doom said

Great for me! It makes the games cheap and easily obtainable, most of the time. And the hardware is solid, plus it's backwards compatibility not only works great but also improves many games performance and graphics. So I have no complaints. In fact, my Series X is my main console for the current-gen; my PS5 and Switch are just for exclusives.

Maybe its something to do with the genres that dominate the consoles?  Nintendo is platforming and rpgs.  Xbox is heavy on first person shooters and racers.  Id assume they'd be nostalgic thus collectible but they often arent. Idk why.

it has most definitely something to do with it's genre's realistic stuff allot of folks don't look for. why do that when it's probably better on newer hardware. although I guess in the current era with all them nerfs removal or paywalling key features it could be somewhat appealing minus the visuals. first person shooters and racers why play the old ones for most of em. if you want the realistic stuff on those 99% of people want that on a modern console with new visuals. less nostalgia cause it's often simply outclassed by current gen.  with very few exceptions there is no reason to go back to them. This ain't a zelda or mario game in which the old stuff was totally different to name an extreme example. you really do want to play the older games in that one, or for most notable non realistic ip's for that matter.

that being said don't you worry look for games that could have been on sony and nintendo consoles and you got your high prices.

jet set radio future. outrun 2 coast to coast otogi, stubbs zombie, conkers, spike out battlestreet them shootemups survival horror

Look for anything non realistic more arcade focussed that most people look for on other retro consoles and prices will be pretty high. there is just way less of that stuff on xbox. 

panzer dragoon orta is still decently priced at around 40ish, peak game that most people will enjoy that play on the other platforms. and i guess you have some cheap platformers like voodoo vince

people play retro for a different experience not something that's better on newer hardware. what even is the point of going back than. there are differences with older realistic stuff but it's not as notable for many folks not to say there ain't a userbase for it just less people that do it aside from stuff like halo that one can play on newer hardware anyway. xbox is definitely less nostalgia at the very end of the day.


regardless there should be zero reason to complain about this console being underrated which it's not. it is most definitely not underated it's at the perfect spot and rated fairly

if you love xbox and especially what the console is known for racers and first person shooters realistic games with great grapics for it's time, good for you enjoy the cheapness it ain't going to become pricy ever aside from maybe factory sealed stuff of some of the most iconic games in the best condition possible but than again wouldn't recommend being into graded stuff unless you enjoy pain even the most popular retro stuff will look cheap in comparison than. you should want to keep xbox stuff to be undesirable cause than you can get your stuff on the cheap with ease. the more people talk about it the more pricy it will become although you'll need allot of that for xbox

WHY 360 SHOULD BE MORE DESIRED

1. It runs most 3rd party games better because its infrastructure was easier to code for. Holds frames consistently better on average

2. It's kinetic system was vastly more successful than the PS Move peripherals and Kinect was revolutionary

Nobody sane gives a flying fuck about kinect games. it's infinitely more shitty compared to what the wii did and it's games are garbage

games running 10% orso better on 360 ain't gonna make people suddenly become xbox fan bois. unless it's unplayable or really shit on sony 99% of people don't care. also caring about specs is mostly a thing for people wanting the best of the best that audience barely exists for retro it's a current gen exclusive.

These are some really mediocre selling points and man did you have to grab stuff from the very bottom of the barrel if the kinect should be a selling point xbox truly has almost nothing to offer 

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General / Re: Why is Xbox not as desirable to collectors?

« on: August 10, 2026, 05:31:57 am »

Rumors are that Microsoft's next-gen system, dubbed Project Helix, will not only have physical games, but allow for all previous Xbox system software to run on the new hardware. Just pop an Xbox, 360, X1, or XSX game in and it'll run.

xbox has been the most digital of em all. I see almost zero reason how this could come true, it makes zero sense and thanks to it's rep of giving up physical in the last 2 gens most people that do physical skip xbox.

Most digital of them all? How so? PlayStation has definitively said they are ending physical media. Nintendo is doing key cards. Meanwhile I have shelf full of Xbox games, their latest release is physical (Halo), and all signs point to them sticking with a disc drive.

until sony's announcement, sure they might be sticking with a disc drive but retail for xbox kinda death. allot of stores don't even carry xbox where I'm at. just nintendo and sony. it really ain't doing much coming from xbox all I'm saying they pretty much destroyed their physical market for current gen stuff.

I never quite understood this either. XBOX was the first console I collected for where I reached a point where I was pretty much like, "yep, I'm done now." And what's crazy is it was pretty easy and pretty inexpensive. I bought the majority of my original XBOX games for under $5 each, and probably the most I spent on any of them was maybe $15 bucks. That's including all the heavy hitters like Operation Genesis too. Even now when I go to usd media stores, there are a ton of quality XBOX

same here I bought all of the heavy hitters i was interested in on xbox for flea market prices and heck I got most of em in like a month or 2 wasn't that much demand for em eventhough some carried decent value. that being said the good stuff like the dreamcast ports are pretty tricky to get nowadays though or stuff like otogi. so allot of the stuff that is worth it is not dirt cheap. also og xbox supply is lowkey trash as in new stuff coming into the market. you definitely do see how it hasn't sold as much as ps2. heck the crazy part is that you'd even see more supply of cube or older nintendo stuff getting into the market vs og xbox. 360 is a different story but damm western 360 is just a dry desert in terms of content imo 

Still I'd argue the I'm done now with collecting for this console is also part of why it's not super desirable. Sure it's cheap but there isn't a hell lot for the console either og xbox lacks depth. the journey to collect for the console especially at the time was a bit too ez. not allot of quantity in terms of stuff to look for. it's a mere fraction of it's competitor on ps2. even with the smaller library on cube I feel I still need quite some stuff for the console and we ain't gonna talk about ps2 cause that's just content overload. for xbox realisticly Just want the castlevania port and call it a day.

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General / Re: Why is Xbox not as desirable to collectors?

« on: August 09, 2026, 09:01:21 pm »

Rumors are that Microsoft's next-gen system, dubbed Project Helix, will not only have physical games, but allow for all previous Xbox system software to run on the new hardware. Just pop an Xbox, 360, X1, or XSX game in and it'll run.

xbox has been the most digital of em all. I see almost zero reason how this could come true, it makes zero sense and thanks to it's rep of giving up physical in the last 2 gens most people that do physical skip xbox.

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General / Re: Why is Xbox not as desirable to collectors?

« on: August 08, 2026, 06:06:13 pm »

- aside from halo no notable or way lower quality mascots big IP's
- barely any exclusives and usually lower quality and few of them
- mainly focussing on good realistic grapics at the time and thus it's big games usually not aging that well compared to other consoles
- even third party stuff often being realstic slob and thus not allot of replay value in current era unless you are on a budget and can't afford last or current gen.
- most games being on playstation anyway thus why get an xbox console when I can just play it there with better games.
- bad rep in last 10 years which means even less people that get back to it


in short, lesser selection of games, it's realistic games which it focusses on big time being outclassed by current era examples and not having allot of stuff to go back to. sony and nintendo simply just had allot more focus on the non realistic stuff and allot more genre's that are hard to come by in the current era and worth it to play in this day and age and it ain't by a little but by an actual landslide. Xbox simply doesn't have allot of that. xbox not having exclusives meme go brrrr

you are simply not missing out in terms of retro if you never get an xbox console and just stick with nintendo sega playstation and other retro consoles, just is what it is. it's absolutely justified how xbox is not that popular it's at the perfect spot if you need a budget option and it's most definitely not undervalued in terms of popularity/ quality aside from jap xbox 360

In terms of nostalgia. Xbox is all about the best visuals and most people who care about the best visuals always move on to the next best thing. no reason to go back. The visuals guys that I know give zero shits about retro. it's all about playing on the newest tech the most realistic grapics the best sound. last gen is dead to em. that's xbox's stick and again less focus on other genre's and less realitsic stuff and thus less people that need to play the retro stuff on the console.

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Category/Platform Requests 2.0

« on: July 22, 2026, 04:17:11 pm »

can this be merged with the regular neo geo pocket color games

it's a whopping 1 title and it's compatible with neo geo pocket color

https://vgcollect.com/browse/neogeopocketeu

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Where did New Nintendo 3DS go?

« on: July 22, 2026, 04:06:34 pm »

Is this site sworddude trying to push the agenda that there's no difference between the systems? It's just pure obfuscation. What's next? De-Pocket the GameBoy?

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there is a difference between a console with hundreds of games + actually upgrading it's games and categories that have single digit to lone entries in which there are zero buffs to the games it's all just fluff at that point. also there is a far smaller difference in terms of the ds1 new 3ds vs the gameboy color vs classic gameboy. way bigger diff especially with the new 3ds. it's basicly just a souped up version and the dsi just had allot of extra's that nobody used.

I'm just agreeing with what the site already does for new 3ds and we having worse culprits that should be merged aswell. not big into 3ds so it ain't my idea why new 3ds entries are merged.

you either seperate or merge all I'd say but it does look silly to have sub sections with 1 to 5 games.

regardless just my opinion on the matter, I do think sub categories for these small libraries which are just small alterations on the console they are coming from are not a good idea to make stuff easier. they are just a small part of the original library for my taste.

exceptions to small libraries should be reserved for consoles that are actually really different

think about the N64 dd or the jaguar CD this is not just a souped up version of the very same console. it's very different. a new 3ds is just a 3ds with more power. but it's pretty much the same console at the end of the day it just happens that some games need to have that extra power for it to work. and the dsi is literally just a ds. but it gets some extra features compared to what ds had outside of the games. It's basicly just a ds + camera it's still a ds at the very end of the day + features that 99.999% of people did not give a flying fuck about and some games use them dsi features ain't much to it although it's really just 1 game cause the others ain't really games. wow a ds with a camera, we got an entirely different console guys 

a gameboy color is a massive buff introducing color to games at the very end of the day the difference is night and day compared to consoles that look almost identical to their predecessors which I'll repeat it again non notable features that barely effected anything. in terms of new 3ds you can call it a pro model tops and your 2 exclusive games are massively gimped console ports. and a dsi is just a ds console with no power upgrades. just happens to have a camera.

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Video Game Database Discussion / Re: Where did New Nintendo 3DS go?

« on: July 22, 2026, 02:21:27 pm »

it's true new 3ds games don't work on older 3ds consoles

although I've heard some do but generally speaking not

and dsi has an even smaller list of games I think we should combine that with the regular ds library if you'd ask me. it looks stupid at just 5 orso titles. or neo geo pocket monochrome games

I can see some merit in combining it all. general consensus will see new 3ds as 3ds games anyway


that being said is this really new I can't recall for at least europe there being a new 3ds section. I got a few titles and they where on the reg 3ds section anyway

I'd argue it makes it far more annoying for collectors if you get too many categories. shit like Foto Showdown getting it's own subsection is stupid. just fill in some sub category or discription that it's only compatible on dsi tops.
Besides how is it hard for collectors when everything is in alphabetical order and or ez to find in the search bar.

still in all honesty just checked the new 3ds library again, a whopping 2 physical titles fire emblem warriors and xenoblade. I don't see how seperating it in it's own subgenre is a good idea or would make it easier for collectors just gives more fluff to make stuff less clear.

I'm also all for combining neo geo pocket monochrome and dsi with ds cause it's just dumb. same consoles at the end of the day with tiny libraries. and heck with neo geo pocket it's just compatible with the color console anyway

like who the hell made the neo geo pocket subgenre with a whopping 1 title makes it super annoying. more genre's are not a buff for every collector in the slightest.

https://vgcollect.com/browse/neogeopocketeu

Neo geo pocket genre meme worthy a whopping single title that works on the color console aswell anyway. if we can abolish the neo geo pocket monochrome section I'm all for it if new 3ds ain't seperate anyway. this is even worse

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General / Re: VGC's Anonymous/"General" Topic:

« on: July 21, 2026, 09:50:10 am »

anyone else noticing the site being really slow in the last 7 days orso. multiple browsers btw not just 1 it's only been till today that the site acts normal again

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General / Re: July 2026 - Recently added to collection/recently purchased

« on: July 16, 2026, 07:39:53 pm »

if he's gonna return to japan at some point there is probably no rush. but it will definitely be harder to find japanese games in western countries at good prices.

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Modern Video Games / Re: It's officially over.

« on: July 10, 2026, 12:46:49 pm »

so supposedly for digital sales they include free downloads. which is pretty wild if true.

I'm all for digital having nice sales, but if you include freemium shit which have plenty of games in which people download em in the millions cause free that's just cheating.

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Modern Video Games / Re: It's officially over.

« on: July 06, 2026, 09:35:59 am »

aside from counting all the 1 2$ digital games which no shit those not getting a physical release if we are tlaking the very misleading 85% number.

the big money is in the big games, and the big games have more physical sales than digital

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fC2oke5MFg

first of all 1st party titles is more revenue for them per transaction than just getting royalties from 3rd party titles. if that's just straight up revenue withouth any cuts taken out of yet that's pretty inaccurate

2nd of all, those numbers look like a huge scam if this is accurate and one can do that as per laws in which the above is even worse.



also just cause you have people that are all digital doesn't mean that's the case for everyone that's a very small pool to go off. and if it's around 50% pretty ez to have people like that.

in terms of the big games 50% or more physical is quite a big deal and those are the kinda games people buy anyway. it doesn't make much sense for mosy indi's to have big physical sales.

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Modern Video Games / Re: It's officially over.

« on: July 04, 2026, 06:06:01 pm »

the big money is in the big games, and the big games have more physical sales than digital

I'm not arguing against the possibility or even likelihood that major game releases may perform better through physical sales than digital ones. Those are specific instances, though. PlayStation's digital marketplace consists of thousands of titles of all size, quality, length, and price.

you are ignoring total sales of big titles in which physical wins

I'm not ignoring those instances. I directly acknowledged them in my previous post.

To Sony, those sales figures seem to not matter that much considering the announcement they've made. Their first-party games may sell more successfully in the physical market than the digital market, but sales earnings are presumably still not reaching desired outcomes. The cost of first-party games from Sony is high, and it's higher than ever before and will continue to increase until something changes. So, naturally, sales earnings will need grow in parallel in order for their desired profit to be reached. However, there's only so much money to earn from a consumer audience, so something has to change. Maybe one day Sony and other major studios will realize that the extreme push for high-fidelity graphics is actively destroying the industry, because high development costs and overly lengthy development times aren't sustainable.

it does matter to sony but profits would be higher if everyone buys digital not to mention that they could keep prices sky high if they are the only market place digitally.

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Modern Video Games / Re: It's officially over.

« on: July 04, 2026, 05:04:36 pm »

I've also heard simular things about the big games have very sizable physical sales. like ofcourse for smaller indi games and lower price tags people will get a game digitally for the small shit which adds up

That assumption can't be made based on the data I provided in my previous post. In short:

Physical game sales during Q4 2025 comprised of 15% total sales yet only earned 10.5% total sales earnings.
Digital game sales during that same time comprised of 85% total sales yet earned 89.5% total sales earnings.

the big money is in the big games, and the big games have more physical sales than digital

I'm not arguing against the possibility or even likelihood that major game releases may perform better through physical sales than digital ones. Those are specific instances, though. PlayStation's digital marketplace consists of thousands of titles of all size, quality, length, and price.

also they did wrong math to skew it hard in digital's favor aside from counting all the 1 2$ digital games which no shit those not getting a physical release if we are tlaking the very misleading 85% number.

Looking at the sales numbers for both digital and physical games alone without also looking at the sales earnings provides no valuable insight. As I mentioned directly to you before, the financial report indicates that the percentage of total sales earnings from digital games is higher than the percentage of total sales numbers of digital games. Like you're saying, cheap games certainly constitute a percentage of those total figures, but reported data indicates that even more expensive digital games counterbalance the figure total.

you are ignoring total sales of big titles in which physical wins. you can't just simply ignore big budget titles with high dev costs having high physical sales numbers often beating digital out. Who gives a shit if lower budget games have allot of digital sales. of their big investments a large chunk of people moreso than digital buy their products physical.

so physical sales ain't that small of a chunk after all. most people have some of the big budget games in their arsenal.

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Modern Video Games / Re: It's officially over.

« on: July 04, 2026, 04:51:13 pm »

Even if it's a popular rumor being spread, what you're repeating is incorrect.

I appreciate you digging in and looking for that information, but I don't trust the vast majority of reports coming from companies

These sorts of financial reports are to inform investors and industry leaders what is and what isn't yielding a profit, so doctored data only hurts those efforts. It's highly doubtful that these individuals care what specifically is earning money, so long as money as is being earned. So in that regard, they do want the reports to be detailed and organized both correctly and efficiently. If these reports were falsified, it would indicate that the actions they're publicly taking now go directly against what you believe to be the truth and what actually would yield greater profits. Why would they do that? If physical disc production ultimately earned them favorable profits, there is no reason why Sony would have made the announcement that they're ending it.

Unless you can provide evidence that these reports are falsified, there is no merit to your position. Repeating myself a second time, it's an objective fact that more full game products are available digitally than they are physically, so sales data will reflect that alone. Even if we were to base our findings on simple observations without objective data, it's easy to identify the general sales trend that people are more likely to complete a sale using a digital marketplace than a physical one. With the allure of being able to install game data before a game releases, the convenience of being able to purchase something in that moment without having to wait for the item to arrive or to take the efforts to visit a store location, and the simple fact that many people in this modern era do not prioritize or even prefer a physical media collection, there is plenty of evidence to observe without conducting research. It goes without saying, but anyone who's visited a big box retail store years before and again today will have noticed the diminished focus of the presence of physical games.

and yet people buying stuff online and shipping companies having record sales never being higher. physical retail spaces have slimmed down for sure but people buy physical online for it to be delivered at your door step.

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Modern Video Games / Re: It's officially over.

« on: July 04, 2026, 04:12:14 pm »

I've also heard simular things about the big games have very sizable physical sales. like ofcourse for smaller indi games and lower price tags people will get a game digitally for the small shit which adds up

That assumption can't be made based on the data I provided in my previous post. In short:

Physical game sales during Q4 2025 comprised of 15% total sales yet only earned 10.5% total sales earnings.
Digital game sales during that same time comprised of 85% total sales yet earned 89.5% total sales earnings.

So by those figures, consumers are actually buying digital games at a higher price point than they are for physical games since the total sales earnings for digital games is actually higher than total sales. I'm sure that game edition bundles from major AAA studios like Ubisoft set at prices above the standard retail dollar amount help inflate these numbers, similarly to the to-be-released Ultimate Edition of Grand Theft Auto VI.

according to some insomniac sales leaks physical sales beat digital ones





total sales includes everything including small shit but how much profit is left when you split it with all those games. also for most of those games it's probably too low value to go physical aside from some hardcore folks. and it's split among many ip's and ownerships it's not a big money maker for sony at the end of the day. obviously digital sales can be inflated if you include everything.  also digital sales can inflate when stuff is out of stock aswell since you got nowhere to go.

with big value titles allot of people buy physical cause it's too expensive, no massive discounts and you can sell trade it later on. most digital purchases are probably lower values I'd argue while physical is more big money per game

also they did wrong math to skew it hard in digital's favor aside from counting all the 1 2$ digital games which no shit those not getting a physical release if we are tlaking the very misleading 85% number.

the big money is in the big games, and the big games have more physical sales than digital

i'd imagine while nintendo's physical numbers still being high with general reports those high 40 - 50% digital sales also being very skewed with trash.