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General / Re: What Room Do You Use As A Game Room/Play Room? Or Setup Discussion

« on: February 17, 2020, 07:02:19 pm »

Anyone use the Atlantic media shelf "Elite" from Best Buy? I'm thinking about going with one or a few of those to house most of my games.

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Classic Video Games / Re: What games would you consider objectively some of the greatest ever made?

« on: February 17, 2020, 05:57:14 pm »

I don’t understand why you don’t just ask us, “What are your greatest games of all time?”. That’s a valid question. You’d be asking everyone for their personal opinions. Instead you are framing it as though there is a definitive list of greatest games which is based purely in fact, and you want us to tell you which games those are.

I completely disagree with any notion that there is an ideal video game, or a most correct way to make one, and that only a well trained eye could observe that game and recognize it for what it actually is - a game superior to all others, objectively.

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Objective_vs_Subjective

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Classic Video Games / Re: What games would you consider objectively some of the greatest ever made?

« on: February 17, 2020, 04:06:18 pm »

Intuition and logic are not the same thing. You can't use intuition to formulate something as if it were objective fact. This is why opinions are said to be like... those things which we all have and never realize that our own stinks."

You can you're doing it right now.


I don't think so. There's only true, or false, as far as I know."

Then you don't know much.


Whether you like it or not, Fortnight is an immensely popular game because many people actually enjoy playing it. That much can actually be used as a significant measurement of something. So, which matters more when it comes to measuring video game greatness? Games which are/were played and enjoyed on a massive scale, or the whims of a handful of armchair art critics spread among various game collecting circles online? What exactly makes them more credible than the masses?"

Yes, the dunning kruger effect doesn't exist. Your grandma's opinion (presuming she hasn't touched a video game) is just as valued and informed a someone on here or an enthusiast who's studied and researched it heavily in his free time.

Some might not enjoy Led Zepplin but most are smart enough to realise on a instinctual level why others would like it or notice the intelligence yet not fully embrace it themselves.  It's not the same as comparing Led Zepplin to some drunk homeless guy in the street singing poorly. It's objectively shit.

Isaac Brock sounds like a homeless drunk on the streets when he sings most of his songs, but it sounds damn good to my ears and to the ears of many others as well. Who's a better singer, Robert Plant or Isaac Brock? It's all opinion and it actually doesn't matter.

Even if my grandma has never played a game, if she enjoys Fortnite then why shouldn't her opinion lend the game any further credit to it's accessibility and fun factor? Games which are more accessible to a greater number of people do not equate to the game's overall greatness and superiority? Says who, and why? It's all opinion. But one thing that is not opinion, is the the fact that Fortnite is a very popular game relative to the popularity of other games.

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Classic Video Games / Re: What games would you consider objectively some of the greatest ever made?

« on: February 17, 2020, 02:50:35 pm »

Yeah I was gonna say, there are no greatest games of all time objectively speaking. If you want a list of which games scored the highest, or sold the most, then you can easily research that information. Why would you seek to ask someone to make a person list of objective greatness? Seems like a contradictory request. Apparently it's just a cold hard fact that Wii Sports is one of the greatest games ever made (and I'm not knocking the game, it's quite good), but I mean it's common knowledge if you look at the sales. The closest thing we have to objective reality when measuring greatness is the sales figure. My personal opinion, which is subjective, doesn't matter.

you can feel and sense its outline instinctively or on a emotional level with some level or shades of objectively to it.

Intuition and logic are not the same thing. You can't use intuition to formulate something as if it were objective fact. This is why opinions are said to be like... those things which we all have and never realize that our own stinks.

but some truths truer than others

I don't think so. There's only true, or false, as far as I know.

So what do you suggest then instead? We forget a metric for quality standard and let the fortnighters and SJW journalists lead modern trends? Walking forward in straight lines only, and let retro games die with us as archaic disposable entertainment with no shades of an objective standard or merit to them played only be delusional nostalgists, it's all void to be replaced by the next fad?

Whether you like it or not, Fortnight is an immensely popular game because many people actually enjoy playing it. That much can actually be used as a significant measurement of something. So, which matters more when it comes to measuring video game greatness? Games which are/were played and enjoyed on a massive scale, or the whims of a handful of armchair art critics spread among various game collecting circles online? What exactly makes them more credible than the masses?

This is the same debate that always transpires. Art is subjective, it's not objective. You might not enjoy Led Zepplin, but it doesn't mean they are any worse for it. Just because myself, and many other people enjoy their music, also doesn't make them better art. People have different sensibilities, different quirks, different temperaments. We don't all feel the same about all forms of art, and that's fine. We don't all have the same level of exposure to all forms of art, and that's also fine. I think if you want to try to measure video game greatness objectively, look at sales figures and look at historical game reviews/scores. That's the most objective approach, however flawed.

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Modern Video Games / Re: Eighth generation video game cliches and your thoughts on them

« on: February 17, 2020, 01:37:22 pm »

I don't mind the 8-bit style games, but it feels like many of them made this gen are all made with the very same in-game assets as one another. I'm not sure what it is, but it makes many of them seems as if they are all from the same creator, or the same series. I'm sure there's a common thread behind most of them, like some distinctive platform from which they're mostly all built.

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General / Re: February 2020 - Recently Added to Collection/Recently Purchased

« on: February 14, 2020, 12:54:47 am »

Some more grabs.

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General / Re: What Room Do You Use As A Game Room/Play Room? Or Setup Discussion

« on: February 13, 2020, 10:56:24 pm »

I'm currently in the beginning stages of hybridizing my old "music room / amateur studio" to become a partial game room of sorts. I'm working with very limited space, so we'll see how it turns out. The entire room needs an overhaul, I need some shelving and some new furniture pieces. But I'm looking forward to having a cohesive presentation for my game stuff and not just scattering my games throughout the house wherever they might fit. I'm thinking of ditching my WON cabinet simply because it's huge yet it doesn't display a whole lot. It's currently packed full of my classic games to the point that you can't see half of what's in it, or more. It's just not a extremely practical piece for a small room. Shame, because it is really cool to look at.

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Classic Video Games / Re: Help with PS2 game title

« on: February 10, 2020, 10:34:14 pm »

I actually got hassled by a part time GS employee for buying it back when I did. He looked at the other guy and was like "Who buys this?" "Do we really have PS2 games?"... and he was serious. Don't think I ever saw him there again.

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Classic Video Games / Re: Help with PS2 game title

« on: February 09, 2020, 11:56:11 am »

It's quite a pricey one unfortunately.

Never realized that! I picked it up for peanuts way back when. So much has changed in the past several years.

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Modern Video Games / Re: Eighth generation video game cliches and your thoughts on them

« on: February 08, 2020, 01:52:05 pm »

I've been so tired of zombie games the last decade... That's one of the reasons I didn't enjoy The Last of Us...

Zombies seem very overdone at this point. However for me, it's not because I never played the majority of them to begin with. I've only played Dead Island, which I actually thought was pretty darn good not because "zombies", but as an intriguing survival game. Zombies have never been appealing to me as a villain because I often find it more morbid than creepy, but I can look past it if need be.

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General / Re: Sealed and re-sealed games. Need help with this one.

« on: February 08, 2020, 01:39:40 pm »

I've never heard of anyone faking a Y fold seal. Usually reseals are done with cheap shrink wrapping guns that leave a line around the entire package and bunch up in the corners. But then, some actual brand new titles have been shipped that way as well. So the best way to tell after opening, is check the disc and manual for super crispness and super cleanness. A new disc is hard to fake, because it's easy to go from 100% immaculate to 99% with just the slightest bit of use. If you aren't opening, I'd say it safe to assume that one is new.

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General / Re: February 2020 - Recently Added to Collection/Recently Purchased

« on: February 07, 2020, 09:16:19 am »

Some recent snags. Quite a bit, actually.

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General / Re: Do You Have A Hard Time Picking A Game To Play?

« on: February 06, 2020, 08:03:56 pm »

I don't. I'm up for about anything, but the problem is sticking with it and seeing it through. All the games I start to play are fine, but I just stop playing them for no apparent reason. Life just happens, and my attention diverges.

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Classic Video Games / Re: Rare Wii & Wii U Games?

« on: February 06, 2020, 05:51:25 pm »

I remember when Devil's Third came out, it seemed like everywhere was "out of stock" within the first week. eBay was already flooded with brand new copies asking about $120. It seemed like all anyone who bought the game did was try to flip it, despite that it did not score well with the critics at all. I picked up a brand new copy around 2018 or so for about $50. Didn't realize that it had gone back up again, and to quite ridiculous prices. It's game collecting in 2020 - reasonable today, insane tomorrow.

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Classic Video Games / Re: Your Top Ten Recommended Nintendo 64 Games (text)

« on: February 04, 2020, 04:29:45 pm »

1. Super Mario 64
2. Banjo Kazooie
3. GoldenEye 007
4. Cruisn' USA
5. Bomberman 64
6. Top Gear Rally
7. Mario Kart 64
8. Diddy Kong Racing
9. Turok Dinosaur Hunter
10. Paper Mario

N64 really needs a top 25 however, so that it doesn't feel like you've accidentally drove off and left some of your children at the park.