Error Listings and rejected edits 2021

[tripredacus]

My edits to change the name of these Pokémon games was rejected

https://vgcollect.com/item/33769
https://vgcollect.com/item/33770
https://vgcollect.com/item/56765
https://vgcollect.com/item/33762
https://vgcollect.com/item/33763


These games say Pokémon on the box in English, so that is what they should be called. They should not have been changed to Pocket Monsters.

There is no name exception for Pokemon games. The names you put did not match GameFaqs, and also the current names do not either.

[telly]

My edits to change the name of these Pokémon games was rejected

https://vgcollect.com/item/33769
https://vgcollect.com/item/33770
https://vgcollect.com/item/56765
https://vgcollect.com/item/33762
https://vgcollect.com/item/33763


These games say Pokémon on the box in English, so that is what they should be called. They should not have been changed to Pocket Monsters.

There is no name exception for Pokemon games. The names you put did not match GameFaqs, and also the current names do not either.

Gamefaqs has nothing to do with it. The guidelines we established with Japanese games is that English takes priority on the box.

And if we're just not following those guidelines anymore (which are still referenced in your language thread) then I'd ask for a name exception for all Japanese Pokemon games. We have the same kind of exceptions for roman numerals (like with BO IIII), it should also be the case for non-english games with English on the cover.

All my edits to fix the 3DS games when they were changed were accepted, so at the very least there's inconsistency here.

[tripredacus]

The language thread is not the rules. The Style Guide (both the existing thread in this section, and the advanced one which is in progress) are the rules.

The community voted to use common names for game titles, which is irrespective of what text is actually on the item itself. Particularly so we wouldn't have to have debates or have to think about what to name items.

If you want, we can make a common name exception vote, post into this thread with the naming convention you propose, and we can make a poll for the community to decide.

[telly]

The language thread is not the rules. The Style Guide (both the existing thread in this section, and the advanced one which is in progress) are the rules.

The community voted to use common names for game titles, which is irrespective of what text is actually on the item itself. Particularly so we wouldn't have to have debates or have to think about what to name items.

If you want, we can make a common name exception vote, post into this thread with the naming convention you propose, and we can make a poll for the community to decide.

There's literally a link to that thread in the style guide two times. How is that thread even remotely not part of the rules for naming?

Additional rules for (in)definite articles are located here: https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,7316.0.html

Use the item's commonly accepted regional release title, written in the language written on the case, but in the Latin alphabet (the letters we commonly use.)
Latin characters thread: https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,7316.0.html

And as far as I'm aware, half of the name exceptions were not made with any community involvement, least of all a formal poll where people voted. BLOPS IIII and MM Legacy Collection 1+2 were not. There are other games that aren't even in the exception list like RDR II. Because we as a community already decided on the naming convention for non-latin games, and the fact that it's already part of the rules (or at the very least integrated into the rules as such), I see no reason why we need to have another formal poll on it. But, if that's what the community wants to do, I'll concede.

[tripredacus]

There's literally a link to that thread in the style guide two times. How is that thread even remotely not part of the rules for naming?

This thread?
https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,7316.0.html

It was only meant to specifically refer to the ASCII codes and the foreign language (in)definite articles portion of the first post, not the contents of the entire thread. I will copy that info out of that thread and into its own post on the Style Guide page.

[tripredacus]

Oh ah and I see the link to your post about naming Japanese games. Unfortunately, that was overriden by the common names vote, in general. However, it can still be valid for titles of items not from a naming source, or for alt-name field usage.

- Removed the Mega Man Legacy Collection exemption.
- Reformatted the Style Guide to contain the information rather than link to a discussion topic.
- Will create a post on the Advanced Style Guide for ASCII characters and codes.
- set pending the roman numerals rule on the Advanced Guide
- will call a vote on whether we should always use a roman numerals override on common names (would effect both the Black Ops 4 and Resident Evil 7 common name exemptions which were not voted for)

[telly]

Oh ah and I see the link to your post about naming Japanese games. Unfortunately, that was overriden by the common names vote, in general. However, it can still be valid for titles of items not from a naming source, or for alt-name field usage.

The Pokemon games are not going to be the only problem, there are other games with English and a Japanese equivalent that don't match up.

For example

https://vgcollect.com/item/98212

GF name is Kirby no Air Ride

It's very frustrating to see that now that I've brought this up "oh sorry, that whole naming convention doesn't count anymore". It's been part of the style guide for years.

[telly]

And when the original poll was made, you specifically stated it would not change how we do transliteration, which is what led me to believe that our previous naming conventions would be left intact, as this was mainly pertaining to stylization of the name, not what words/language we should be using.

This poll is specifically to put into the Style Guide what names for games we should actually be using. This is to clarify the "regional release title" as specified in the Style Guide. This will not change any of our existing formatting rules for descriptors, packs, TLDs or transliteration. This is due to the current inference that items in the database need to use the full front title, using blanket conditions created by the practice of putting Disney/Pixar onto titles where they commonly are not used on other websites. This had led to confusion among many as to what names should actually be used on games, as often the name a game is known as does not match what is printed on the cover.

[tripredacus]

I'm fully aware of the situation. The common names vote also invalidated most of the entries I made for the Japanese Sega releases, and we still haven't gotten around to fixing those. I didn't vote for using this naming convention, but the poll clearly indicated we had to use it. It is a concession we have to make as long as there is only 1 item name field. Ideally, we should have more than one item name field, and then let the users decide which one shows up by default for them. Then me and you can name things the way we like and those who want common names can have their way also.

EDIT: it doesn't change transliteration, as in what is needed to be done for items without common names. But if a release has a common name, users don't need to figure out how to translate a foreign title anymore. Only need to to transliteration if there is no common name.
EDIT2: transliteration also is done for pack/edition names and is still current.
EDIT3: for example, we would still use Genteiban instead of "Limited Edition" on an item that has a Japanese common name that includes a pack name. It was an attempt to limit people from creating edition descriptors like "First Print Limited Edition", "Launch Editon" or using the term Bundle.

[telly]

haha, well, I'd certainly rather have this quandary then having to change every entry of Resident Evil 4 to "4 Resident Evil", or Trans Formers or all the other silly examples. This is a far, far better solution in my opinion. But neither is perfect.

[grandta13]

Below are some rejected edits that I would like more information on:

Game: Legend of Zelda, The: Link's Awakening DX (black ESRB)
Field: item_number
Original Value: DMG-AZLE-USA
New Value: DMG-AZLE-USA-1
Rejection Reason: Action Not Allowed.
Link: https://vgcollect.com/item/5247
There are two versions of this game, the black ESRB logo version, and the white ESRB logo version. The white logo version has the item number DMG-AZLE-USA. The black logo version has the item number DMG-AZLE-USA-1, which can be seen in the cartridge photo.

Game: Pokémon: Blue Version (black ESRB)
Field: item_number
Original Value: DMG-APEE-USA
New Value: DMG-APEE-USA-1
Rejection Reason: Action Not Allowed.
Link: https://vgcollect.com/item/97614
There are two versions of this game, the black ESRB logo version, and the white ESRB logo version. The white logo version has the item number DMG-APEE-USA. The black logo version has the item number DMG-APEE-USA-1, which can be seen in the cartridge photo.

EDIT: I've just submitted the cartridge IDs into the Description fields. From what I can see, it seems the item ID is incorrect based on the current standard of prioritising the ID on the box instead of the media. However, I don't have the physical box to verify the item number for each revision.

[psxlegacy]

duplicate entries

https://vgcollect.com/item/104586

https://vgcollect.com/item/134421



Non existant games in NA

https://vgcollect.com/item/15938

https://vgcollect.com/item/33632 (was actually a PAL game)

https://vgcollect.com/item/1737 (never released)

[tripredacus]

Changing of an item number, especially a Nintendo number with -1/2 is an automatic reject, similar to those who try to change barcodes.
However, these two entries have the card item number on the main item number field, which are both wrong.
I have changed the Zelda item number. With the -1/2  variations, at least on US releases, the main item number doesn't change. It would only be the ones on the cart or potentially on the box flap.

Below are some rejected edits that I would like more information on:

Game: Legend of Zelda, The: Link's Awakening DX (black ESRB)
Field: item_number
Original Value: DMG-AZLE-USA
New Value: DMG-AZLE-USA-1
Rejection Reason: Action Not Allowed.
Link: https://vgcollect.com/item/5247
There are two versions of this game, the black ESRB logo version, and the white ESRB logo version. The white logo version has the item number DMG-AZLE-USA. The black logo version has the item number DMG-AZLE-USA-1, which can be seen in the cartridge photo.

Game: Pokémon: Blue Version (black ESRB)
Field: item_number
Original Value: DMG-APEE-USA
New Value: DMG-APEE-USA-1
Rejection Reason: Action Not Allowed.
Link: https://vgcollect.com/item/97614
There are two versions of this game, the black ESRB logo version, and the white ESRB logo version. The white logo version has the item number DMG-APEE-USA. The black logo version has the item number DMG-APEE-USA-1, which can be seen in the cartridge photo.

EDIT: I've just submitted the cartridge IDs into the Description fields. From what I can see, it seems the item ID is incorrect based on the current standard of prioritising the ID on the box instead of the media. However, I don't have the physical box to verify the item number for each revision.

[tripredacus]

duplicate entries

https://vgcollect.com/item/104586

https://vgcollect.com/item/134421

Non existant games in NA
https://vgcollect.com/item/1737 (never released)

Dupe thread is here:
https://vgcollect.com/forum/index.php/topic,10556.0/topicseen.html
The two things you put as dupes are two different titles.
PMed a person who has the Serious Sam game in collection to see what they have to say.

[grandta13]

My recent submissions of my transcriptions of the box text for the following games were rejected with the reason 'Incorrect Formatting.'. I would like more information on the reason for these rejections and how I can properly contribute transcriptions in the future. I've been submitting box text transcriptions as I've been adding games to my collection, and this is the first batch to see any rejections.

Namco Museum 50th Anniversary - Greatest Hits (https://vgcollect.com/item/16130)
Monopoly (https://vgcollect.com/item/18608)
LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy - Greatest Hits (https://vgcollect.com/item/32407)
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Not for Resale) (https://vgcollect.com/item/156529)